Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Dadeville shooting

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Dadeville shooting[edit]

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Fails WP:NEVENTS. This appears to be a news story without any encyclopedic notability. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Alabama. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. With 32 victims, this is the largest mass shooting in the US in 2023. The incident has achieved WP:SIGCOV. WWGB (talk) 14:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Received and still receiving national coverageCNN NPR USA TodayWashington Post, had a response by POTUS, seems to pass GNG and NEVENT. WikiVirusC^(talk) 14:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Don’t delete -Of course Alabama never matters, right? 2600:6C58:7300:569:5D03:AD2A:2C1A:4D8E (talk) 14:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why? We don't really care where it takes place. Oaktree b (talk) 15:18, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The largest shooting in List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023. Coverage is significant and on-going since the shooting on the night of the 15th. It is not only front page news in the US, but also in the UK. For example BBC and Telegraph are on their main pages on the 17th as I'm writing this. With such in-depth international coverage, it meets Wikipedia:Notability (events) easily. --Mvqr (talk) 14:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems we have enough coverage in both national and international press. Boy I wish we didn't have to keep having articles about mass shootings though... Oaktree b (talk) 15:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because its very high number of victims makes it easily notable enough. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I propose deleting this discussion, anyone who thinks the article should be deleted is objectively wrong. It's already one of the bloodiest shootings of 2023 24.80.7.130 (talk) 16:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Close as Keep, I reckon. BhamBoi (talk) 16:41, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Reminder that there is no "death toll" argument for notability, which is no more than an appeal to WP:INTERESTING. All arguments related to death toll should be disregarded when closing. Also remember that WP:SIGCOV requires sustained coverage. Single-news-cycle articles should be deleted. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't gonna be a single-news-cycle story buddy. It's part of a larger crisis in America around gun violence that's sadly evolving frequently. Take the L and end this interminable "debate". 24.80.7.130 (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then the "larger crisis" should have an article. And it does. This is not that. Also, given your rather aggressive tone here and on my talk page, I'll remind you that Wikipedia has high standards about how to engage in discourse. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How much "sustained coverage" can you claim doesn't exist in the span of a few days? It's still on the front page of CNN.com and other news sites. —Locke Cole • t • c 21:44, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated based on the discussion and close at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#(Closed) Dadeville shooting. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On that discussion it was deemed the article was not notable and not well written enough for WP's "front page". That is not to say it is not notable enough to have an article. WP has bazillions of articles that will never make it to the "front page", yet we don't delete those. I might agree that WP's bar for notability is sometimes too low, and that there are plenty of shootings, but this one gets wide coverage, including international coverage. It had a few articles on the newspaper I subscribe in Portugal. - Nabla (talk) 12:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't see how it doesn't pass NEVENT due to the existence of significant coverage and the greater context of gun violence in the U.S. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per sourcing. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 18:56, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep. In-depth, significant coverage. National and international sourcing. Time will time if the coverage is sustained, but this is hardly routine. Can't see how this is "without any encyclopedic notability". gobonobo ⁺ ^c 19:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Verifiable current event with significant number of victims. Maribullah (talk) 20:03, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, per all above, this is clearly notable. —Locke Cole • t • c 21:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep If notability was a concern, nominator should have waited a week or two to see how much coverage this receives. To me there is plenty already to justify an article. Thriley (talk) 21:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Deadliest US shooting this year, so, sadly this must have an article. Essentially, per all above. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It has the most victims, but the 2023 Monterey Park shooting has the highest death toll. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 22:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge - As most users said above, there is a large number of casualties for both deceased and injured, and it also has had significant coverage from various agencies including ones outside the United States (i.e. BBC). I don't think a shooting of this scale should be wiped off the face of Wikipedia, however if for some reason it's deemed not "significant" Then might I suggest it being merged into the history section of the town itself. It's a relatively small place that isn't particularly well known for much else, so this event is undoubtedly important for this community and will likely be remembered by them more than the average american. YatesTucker00090 (talk) 04:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. - Nabla (talk) 12:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Keep. Disgusting this is even nominated. Don't Black lives matter in Amerika? This is covered all over the world, including Germany: [1] in Süddeutsche Zeitung and [2] in Deutsche Welle, [3] in ZDF, [4] in Bild, as well as many others. 2A02:3033:6D1:8F77:D9F4:7DFE:B335:B304 (talk) 06:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dont Delete Why is this even nominated? There are 32 victims, making it the worst mass shooting in 2023. Ridiculous. Keep. 194.193.130.52 (talk) 07:26, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. FFS!!! Wjfox2005 (talk) 09:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

keep (slow, not snow) per my comment above. Let anyone thinking it should be deleted (or not) to make their point.
Speedy keep: It's snowing in here, and for good reason. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per MVQR, this is a notable event. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 13:49, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SNOW Keep Agree with the points raised above, plus the fact that this deletion nom does not have any chance of succeedingBremps! 14:01, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw as nominator. I maintain that there is a disconnect between WP:Notability (events) and the community, but this has clearly run its course. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.