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The Spurs

KEEP
The result was keep. A previous consensus to Redirect was overturned by a consensus to Keep post a WP:HEY by User:7&6=thirteen (non-admin closure) Britishfinance

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Canadian Country Music group. Charted, but sourcing is thin. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 09:50, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

I expanded the article and the sources. WP:GNG WP:Artist and WP:NMUSIC. But trying to find more sources is elusive. Redirect seems probable, but WP:Hey is an argument. I don't have access to Canadian country music sources that are not on line. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Keep Per the closer: "The result was keep. A previous consensus to Redirect was overturned by a consensus to Keep post a WP:HEY by User:7&6=thirteen." Thank you, User: Britishfinance. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:38, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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Simon Grindrod

DELETE
The result was delete. RL0919

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Member of the City of Cape Town council from 2006-2008. Sources exist, mostly with the subject as a spokesperson, not about the subject. If someone could add references to the claims made in the article, the article could be kept. --Enos733 (talk) 04:39, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

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Millie (short story)

KEEP
The result was keep RL0919

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Important author, Katherine Mansfield, particularly of short stories. Lots of sources at Google books. Referencing needs improvement. Only pretended compliance with WP:Before. Nominator says this is "a test case." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Fortunately, lots of editors thought this short story and author were important and should be kept. Putting light on the proposed AFD caught their attention.
The AFD discussion includes a list of many potential sources. Unfortunately, they have not actually been added to the article. The article still needs to be updated. Notwithstanding, WP:Before was controlling. and
Fortunately, The result was keep. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:23, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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Canadian Business College

ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST
The result was delete. Most of the keep arguments are procedural ones - consensus can change and while being spammy often isn't a deletion reason, lack of notability certainly is - and there is no notability guideline that states that degree-awarding institutions are notable solely because of this. And WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is not a notability guideline. Jo-Jo Eumerus

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Notable college that needs our help. Nominator calls it spam, and demands it be salted. If we can find references and remove promotion perhaps we can do a service to our readers. You may be bestowed with Latin honors after your work here. Lightburst (talk) 00:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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Relisted

Air Canada Flight 018 Stowaway Incident

KEPT TWICE
The result was keep. Comments since the relist show a consensus that there is sufficient coverage of this incident to make it notable. RL0919

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{The result was keep. While the balance of !votes favor deletion, almost all delete !votes were made prior to cleanup of the article by Lightburst and others. The sources added to the article appear to satisfy both WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT. -- Scott Burley |status=Keep

I have begun adding WP:RS and cleaning up the article. WP:GEOSCOPE should apply. I managed to find some international sources and the disposition of one conspirator - could use some help. Lightburst (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)


  • No consensus at deletion review or AfD usually results is keep or reaffirms the original decision, but not in this case. Sandstein relisted the article. Perhaps some ARS help on firming up the article. I spent a good amount of time on this article but I wonder if I missed anything. Lightburst (talk) 14:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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Tantive IV

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. That is, no consensus between merge and keep. Nobody agrees with deletion. Whether this content should be merged is perhaps better further explored on the article talk page than in an IVth nomination. Sandstein

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Star Wars fans! Can we save the the Rebel blockade runner? Lightburst (talk) 01:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

  • "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." Andrew D. (talk) 08:39, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Kept Per the closer, "Closed as no consensus That is, no consensus between merge and keep. Nobody agrees with deletion. Whether this content should be merged is perhaps better further explored on the article talk page than in an IVth nomination.". 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:15, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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Ryan O'Donohue

KEEP
The result was Keep. Although far from unanimous, it appears that notability has been at least marginally postulated. JGHowes

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Article can be has been improved. 21 sources, and the dispute continues. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:49, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

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List of deaths from accidental tree failures in Australia

DELETE
The result was delete. Tone

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Anyone speak Australian? Do they say failures instead of accidents/incidences? Are there any studies anywhere about deaths caused by trees? Dream Focus 14:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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Gage Creed (character)

NO CONSENSUS - APPEALED TO DELETION REVIEW...DEL REV RESULT: NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 11:15, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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I've not read or watched much Stephen King myself but he seems to have a huge following and so others may know more. Andrew D. (talk) 10:16, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

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Is now at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_October_6#Gage_Creed_(character) Dream Focus 20:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: And now we are at another proposal regarding this article...Sigh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightburst (talk • contribs)

Birds Barbershop

KEEP
The result was Keep. Non-admin closure

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Seems to be plenty of RS both local and national. The article needs proper cleanup and format of references, but WP:NOTCLEANUP Lightburst (talk) 14:20, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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Pedestrian etiquette

DELETE
The result was delete — Amakuru (talk) 13:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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You have to learn to walk before you can run. Andrew D. (talk) 09:10, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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Too much work to rewrite the article with proper information and references, so it got deleted. Dream Focus 15:37, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Ellen Bryan Moore

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. The only thing that's clear here is that people disagree on whether this meets WP:NPOL, or if it even applies to this position, or if the LCfWiGaB Hall of Fame is a "significant award or honor"

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Need reliable sourcing (prefer contemporary to her era and pre-Internet newspapers) to prove the fact that her "Register of State Lands" title was an elected office at the time. Also need reliable source that she was inducted to Louisiana Center for Women in Government and Business Hall of Fame in 1995, which would satisfy WP:ANYBIO 1 due to its exclusive scope. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 16:01, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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List of film director and actor collaborations

KEEP
The result was keep based on updated sourcing.

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Surely someone has written something about this aspect of the film industry. Can anyone think of how to search for references? Searching for the names of the actor and director and the word "collaborations" gets some results, but is there anything out there that talks about this common occurrence? Dream Focus 07:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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Kept with a discussion on what to now keep in the article at Talk:List_of_film_director_and_actor_collaborations#Consensus_for_inclusion_criteria Dream Focus 02:01, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

List of vegans

KEEP
The result was Keep.

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Andrew D. (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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Lists of Muslim scientists and scholars

NO CONSENSUS
The result was No consensus (procedural close). There are a considerable number of editors opining that a single outcome for all of these lists is impossible, and even among those that do not, this discussion has become too fragmented. There are also concerns that the creators have not been notified, although I have not investigated each of those. So I'm closing this as no consensus, with the expectation that the lists will be nominated at AfD individually. Feel free to link from one discussion to another, so that participants who have done due diligence may express useful opinions at each of the discussions.

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Andrew D. (talk) 23:03, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

  • This nomination is being discussed at ANI right now. Lightburst (talk) 13:18, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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Games with ray tracing

DELETE
The result was delete. Consensus of the discussion is that this is not appropriate as a list. No prejudice against creation of a non-list article about the use of ray tracing in games, or including material about gaming uses in the Ray tracing (graphics) article.

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I've been reading through the news coverage of this. If anyone feels like helping, please search for the name of any of the games and "ray tracing" in a Google news search, and see what coverage they get for this. Dream Focus 18:08, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

The nom was for WP:INDISCRIMINATE, To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. So it is not just finding game RS, but why it should be included. The article needs to be improved to show that. Also some argue that as a list, it would grow too large. StrayBolt (talk) 18:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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Forky

KEEP
The result was keep. Editors wanting to merge with the list article can continue making the case for that on the article talk page. But deletion is clearly not the outcome here.

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Toy or trash? This may be the best metaphysical movie since The Matrix... Andrew D. (talk) 10:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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Robert Bradtke

DELETE
The result was Delete.

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  • Does a U.S. Ambassador warrant a Wikipedia article? If we can find SIGOV. He is the former U.S. Ambassador to Croatia 2006-9 Lightburst (talk) 21:58, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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Andy Auld (pilot)

DELETE
The result was Delete.

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I've improved sources, but more always helps. Important Falklands War squadron commander and successful pilot. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:53, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:02, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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StrongSide (video game player)

DELETE
The result was delete. This article is sitting in a little bit of a grey area with respect to notability. The argument to keep rests on the subject meeting the guideline at Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Sports_personalities. However, that section is essentially a summary of WP:NSPORTS, not an independent guideline; so I'm going to defer to what NSPORTS has to say, which is: "subjects of standalone articles should meet the General Notability Guideline. The guideline on this page provides bright-line guidance to enable editors to determine quickly if a subject is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline". If that's what we apply here, notability clearly is not demonstrated, and so I am closing this as "delete". If people want to haggle over the potentially ambiguous differences in those pages, this isn't the place.

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Star athletes for physical sports are notable, but what about famous professional video game players? Anyone know of any place that covers guys like this in detail? Do they broadcast coverage on any television channels and cover it like other sports? Dream Focus 16:05, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Here is the XfD


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List of Star Wars spacecraft

KEEP
The result was Keep.

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Three Star Wars list articles are being nominated at once. Need help to sort through reviews to see any give significantly coverage to the vehicles. Dream Focus 21:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

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David Dale (New York politician)

DELETE
The result was Delete.

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  • Non notable politician who fails NPOL yet passes WP:SIGCOV. Subject became notable by being disbarred in 2005 for malfeasance, and a felony arrest and conviction 2012 for practicing as a disbarred lawyer, and denial of appeal in 2016. I added several sources including New York State Court of appeals and Buffalo news. Can you help WP:HEY this thing? I added a category and about 3-4 references...they exist. Lightburst (talk) 21:49, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
  • The result was delete. The encyclopedia has one less article. Lightburst (talk) 13:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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Marblemedia

DELETE
The result was Delete.

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Canadian media production company founded in 2001 by Mark Bishop and Matt Hornburg. Its projects include Open Heart, Splatalot, This is Daniel Cook, This is Emily Yeung, The Dating Guy, Skatoony and Hi Opie!. Question of notability. Needs more sources. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  • The result was delete. --Lightburst (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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The Kids' Cookery School

MERGED AFTER DISCUSSION
No consensus Per the closer:"The result was no consensus. I see there are two distinct AfDs for this page and Fiona Hamilton-Fairley, the CEO of this institution (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiona Hamilton-Fairley). However, the coverage is clearly overlapping, and arguments for standalone notability become weaker when there is a closely related subject with overlapping coverage. Arguments are being made at both discussions to redirect or merge, but these depend on the fate of the other page. So, I recommend both these articles be considered together, so that the totality of the coverage may be considered in a single context, and all the possible outcomes (from zero pages to two) may be examined. Therefore, this is a no consensus with no prejudice against immediate renomination."

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Question about notability. Sources are improved, but any improvement would be helpful. Note related article referenced in the AFD, which is also up for deletion. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

  • No consensus Per the closer:"The result was no consensus. I see there are two distinct AfDs for this page and Fiona Hamilton-Fairley, the CEO of this institution (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiona Hamilton-Fairley). However, the coverage is clearly overlapping, and arguments for standalone notability become weaker when there is a closely related subject with overlapping coverage. Arguments are being made at both discussions to redirect or merge, but these depend on the fate of the other page. So, I recommend both these articles be considered together, so that the totality of the coverage may be considered in a single context, and all the possible outcomes (from zero pages to two) may be examined. Therefore, this is a no consensus with no prejudice against immediate renomination." See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiona Hamilton-Fairley.7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:48, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I asked the editor who redirected the article Lightburst (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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Gell-Mann amnesia effect

MERGE
The result was merge to Michael Crichton#Other speeches. There is a clear consensus against keeping this page. Beyond that it gets a bit murkier. My general rule of thumb in the absence of clear direction is to go with the least drastic course of action that received a reasonable level of support.

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I've been coming across references to this and had supposed that Murray Gell-Mann was the source but it turns out that it was actually Michael Crichton. It's interesting for us as it's becoming a common aphorism when considering WP:RS/fake news issues. Should it be dropped down the memory hole or can we make something of it? Andrew D. (talk) 09:43, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

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Adam Everett Livix

DELETE
Delete Per the closer: "The result was delete as a WP:BLP1E that is also a WP:BLPCRIME accusation with no documented conviction. WP:BLP1E is an intentional exception to WP:GNG, so appeals to GNG and related guidelines are not effective counterarguments. Given the nature of this case, I will be courtesy blanking this discussion page tomorrow."

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Are there better sources, particularly in other languages? Interesting problem about an alleged Christian fundamentalist terrorist in Israel, who was indicted but not finally prosecuted. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:27, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Particularly since the subject was released for "health reasons". Sourcing out there is from pretty wild claims that got him arrested at the end of 2014. He was eventually released without charge (scant coverage of the release). Coverage in other languages (and I checked the relevant non-English languages) is not any better. Icewhiz (talk) 15:24, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Delete Per the closer: "The result was delete as a WP:BLP1E that is also a WP:BLPCRIME accusation with no documented conviction. WP:BLP1E is an intentional exception to WP:GNG, so appeals to GNG and related guidelines are not effective counterarguments. Given the nature of this case, I will be courtesy blanking this discussion page tomorrow."
!Vote was 7 keeps to 5 deletes Evidently that is a consensus to delete. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
And the beat goes on... Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Adam Everett Livix. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:43, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
I am asking the administrator to either extend the AfD or use the policies WP:CONSENSUS or WP:NOCONSENSUS. Lightburst (talk) 11:51, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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Ranger (character class)

KEEP
The result was keep. Closer comments.. "Article makes its saving throw against deletion."

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Such a common archetype in books and games for decades now, surely sources are out there covering it. Dream Focus 09:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  • The result was keep. Closer comments.. "Article makes its saving throw against deletion." Lightburst (talk) 12:23, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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Death of Mohammad Habali

NO CONSENSUS
The result was no consensus. Closer comments..."Editors disagree about whether this event has had the continued, in-depth coverage necessary to escape WP:NOTNEWS. Since editors can in good faith disagree about sich matters, I can't resolve this dispute by fiat."

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Disabled Palestinian killed by the IDF. Notable per SIGCOV. Perhaps we might find additional coverage. Lightburst (talk) 01:29, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  • A mentally an physically individual who wandered into the street during a live-fire security incident, bullets were flying and he was shot.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC) note, this user has been blocked as a sock Lightburst (talk) 04:07, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  • The result was no consensus. Closer comments..."Editors disagree about whether this event has had the continued, in-depth coverage necessary to escape WP:NOTNEWS. Since editors can in good faith disagree about sich matters, I can't resolve this dispute by fiat." Lightburst (talk) 11:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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Food and drink in Manchester

DELETE
The result was Delete

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This is more the chip barm than the fritter roll and you might wash it down with Vimto. But there's lots of finer food too. Andrew D. (talk) 13:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

  • The result was delete. closer comments... "Can be restored if somebody wants to use the content in the main article." Lightburst (talk) 11:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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James Harnett

DELETE
The result was Delete

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  • Subject is notable for being the youngest elected official in Washington, D.C. (19yo). My rationale is once a subject is notable always notable. per WP:NTEMP. Sources in the article include Washington Post, North Jersey/USA Today. Article looks well written and sourced, If we can find just a one or two more references we can improve the article's chances. Lightburst (talk) 18:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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