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Youtube Views written in Article

Dear All,

I am young wikipedia editor and I am encouraged to see this page help editors improve their articles. My question to this forum is that when we are writing about a person youtube views which is around 50 millions, do need a secondary source for that also. Or would it work by just adding a link to his youtube channel where his views are written directly.

Thank You Terminatorwil (talk) 00:35, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I think if it's just the view count you're trying to report on, then the channel itself would be a valid primary source. It would be the same when we allow a company's official website to report on facts and figures like number of employees, sales, key personnel, etc. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 00:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Terminatorwil! AFAICT there is nothing directly about this in the "rules", but see Wikipedia:WikiProject_YouTube/Notability#Subscriber_count_published_in_secondary_source. Personally I'm inclined to the view that if you can't find the number in a decent secondary source it's not generally worth mentioning. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:40, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

You all seem to be really nice people in helping me out. Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Drm310. One of my articles has been moved to a Draft space and I needed your help in improving it so that I could move it back to the Article space again. Is it possible to have your input. Terminatorwil (talk) 10:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Youtube Views written in Article

Dear All,

I am young wikipedia editor and I am encouraged to see this page help editors improve their articles. My question to this forum is that when we are writing about a person youtube views which is around 50 millions, do need a secondary source for that also. Or would it work by just adding a link to his youtube channel where his views are written directly.

Thank You Terminatorwil (talk) 00:35, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

see answer below :) --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 03:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thegooduser, Thanks I have got a reply below. One my article has been moved to a Draft space and I want someone to help me in improving it. Is possible to help me out.Terminatorwil (talk) 10:06, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Proxy

Hello I am writing a Wikipedia page and including some old newspaper articles that I found on ProQuest. These are from the 1950s and taken from The Wall Street Journal. I used my school account to get the articles but when I go to publish the page it says I am unable to publish it because the url includes my schools address(wiki refers to it as a proxy). Is there a way I could get the links without the school address in it (or proxy)? Please let me know because the way it is explained on this website I dont understand. Fmanheim1 (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Fmanheim1. You do not need to include those full articles. Just cite them. Give the full title, the author(s), the newspaper, and the date of publication. If the article is available on the newspaper's website, then link to that. Copies of newspaper articles on other websites may well be copyright violations, which are never allowed on Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it`

Copies on ProQuest won't be copyright violations, Cullen328 - it's a legitimate service, which many libraries subscribe to. I agree with the rest though, Fmanheim1. You don't need to include a URL in the citations, just the details of the newspaper articles. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this change has been done all over Wikipedia by certain uncaring editors who don't realize how disruptive it has been. By eliminating "proxies," as these links are called, now nobody can follow the original links to, say, a public library site or, in your case, a school's account. "You can't get there from here" is a big problem which I have complained about elsewhere and about which I have been either scoffed at or ignored. Nevertheless, Cullen328 is correct, you don't need actually need the link any more, even though it would be nice to have it so that anybody with the proper credentials (like a library card) can follow it to the source. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

It won't accept the new temporary password

So how do I login? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B02F:6E9F:2C9A:19A9:3906:73FA (talk) 05:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Make sure you are typing the password in exactly correct. If it still does not work, you may need to request another, and if that doesn't work, you may need to create a new account(and identify it as a successor to your old account). 331dot (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

feedback from an editing newbie

Just wanted to voice somewhere that I'm super disappointed to discover that Wikipedia is not what I thought it was. Since the start, Wikipedia is touted as this open source, neutral, anybody-can-edit, just-dive-in kind of platform. After many years as a user, I came across a page that was in dire need of some editing. (References to Christopher Columbus "discovering" the Americas. I recognize that this is a politically charged topic but regardless of people's political ideas, it's just factually incorrect.) I spent some time editing a bunch of spots in the article to include more neutral terminology and within minutes or hours, all of my edits were reverted. I received heaps of angry sounding messages and comments about how my edits were pointless, that I was doing it all wrong, and that I needed to read eighteen pages of Wikipedia style guidelines on scare quotes and various things before doing any more editing. I also added a page on a group of people that aren't covered elsewhere and my suggestion was turned down because I didn't cite enough encyclopedia entries or something. Dang, I will not be making any more improvements or edits. What a waste of time. I get that it's hard to manage the whole internet and to keep things consistent and legible but if you need to long complex articles on style and grammar before making a contribution or having an edit approved, what's the point? Yeesh. Plus, Wikipedia is an important source of information and if it's heavily policed by editors who are angrily defending their political ideas, how neutral is that? Probably venting to the void here but figured I'd say my piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lashask (talk • contribs) 03:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Lashask! I am sorry to hear of what you're experiencing here at Wikipedia. I took a quick look at your talk page, and an editor had left a note about why your edit were reverted on the Christopher Columbus page, Tarl N. asked you to discuss your changes you wanted to make on the talk page of the article, so other editors can take a look at them too. I know you are frustrated and I am sorry to hear that your edits have been reverted. Please don't feel discouraged, You can also check out The Wikipedia Adventure, a fun game on editing Wikipedia! Cheers --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 04:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Lashask It is true that there is a learning curve with Wikipedia, but as long as you heed the helpful advice given to you by others, and are willing to adjust what you do accordingly or at least be willing to civilly discuss your actions, you shouldn't have too many problems participating. You don't need to read a single guideline before contributing, just be willing to hear the advice of others who are trying to help you. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is a collaborative project where people of differing viewpoints must work together to arrive at a consensus as to what an article should say. You are welcome to start a discussion on the article talk page(Talk:Christopher Columbus) and explain your concerns and what you feel needs to be done about them. I suspect that you are not the first person to have your concerns with regards to that article, and you may find it worthwhile to review the talk page archives to see if they offer insight as to why the article is the way it is. Please understand that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about subjects- including the language used to describe a historical event or person. If the vast majority of them use the word 'discovery' in reference to Columbus, it would generally be used here. Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias, but we do present the sources for readers to evaluate and judge for themselves as to their validity or biases. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

What are some good article names

hi i would like to know what are some good artcle names — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmy1948 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Dmy1948 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not entirely sure what you are asking, but if you want to know which articles are classified as "good articles", you may go to Category:Good articles. 331dot (talk) 11:39, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

See also Category:Featured articles. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Page I created for an individual still in "Draft" status

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tony_McIntosh

Hello,

The above referenced page I contributed is in Draft still. I would just like to know about how long it usually takes to be approved and be published in this process. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissMelina (talk • contribs) 22:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@MissMelina: You haven't put it up for review. Before you try that, though, IMBD is not a reliable source, so it's going to be rejected. You need at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically and primarily about McIntosh but not affiliated with, dependent upon, nor connected with him. You might want to try these instructions on how to write an article that won't be rejected. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Ian.thomson, I think you meant IMDB? King of Scorpions 00:19, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissMelina (talk • contribs) 14:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Blanking sandbox

I asked a few weeks ago how to get rid of content from my user sandbox. I was very kindly advised the following:

"If it’s your user sandbox your referring to, you should be able to just WP:BLANK it and then save it. You could also just set |afc= in Template:User sandbox to “no” or the |plain= parameter to “yes” as well."

Now, my problem is that I have no idea where to apply WP:Blank (or the other suggestions). I have gone into my sandbox and typed WP:Blank. It hasn't removed the content, just added WP:Blank to it.

What/where is this Template:User sandbox in which I'm supposed to set |afc=no, or |plain=yes?

Grateful for any light anyone can throw on the subject, thanks. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

"WP:BLANK" is a link to a page on page blanking. It recommends "use {{db-user}} if you want to have [your own] page permanently deleted". So add that tag, complete with double braces, to your own page if you want your it permanently deleted. Or just blank its contents, deleting everything in it, and leave it existing but blank. Maproom (talk) 15:18, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The explanation was at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1048#Clearing sandbox content.

If you want to blank the sandbox, just delete all the content, then save it.

As far as the template is concerned, if you edit your sandbox you'll see that the first line is {{User sandbox|afc=no}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate Articles

So a couple weeks ago, I wrote an article and published it. Recently, I went back to it, thinking I had made a mistake in the submissions process; after making a couple edits, I tried to resubmit it.

Within a day, the newer version had been rejected for being a duplicate. At the same time, I'm still not sure I properly submitted the original...

Can I unsubmit the first copy and resubmit the second one? (how would I go about doing so?)

articles in question: new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna%27sAccount/sandbox

original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Agreement_Concerning_Cooperation_in_the_Exploration_and_Use_of_Outer_Space_for_Peaceful_Purposes

Thanks

~anna (talk) 18:14, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm a little surprised that User:Anna'sAccount/sandbox was declined, as Draft:Agreement Concerning Cooperation in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space for Peaceful Purposes had not been submitted for review. User:Theroadislong may be able to explain, & may be able to recommend what you should do. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:22, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Apologies I hadn't noticed that the other draft had not been submitted, I have now accepted the sandbox version. Theroadislong (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Questions about a proposed new page, "American Contact Dermatitis Society"

I am a member of the American Contact Dermatitis Society (ACDS), a professional medical society, and currently serve as its Vice President. This is a voluntary position with no financial remuneration. The ACDS "Allergen of the Year" already has a Wikipedia page and I believe that patients and professionals would benefit from a more complete understanding of the organization, which is why I am trying to create a new page, "American Contact Dermatitis Society". I have submitted revisions but have not met the standard for notability; there were also questions about conflict of interest, which I hope I have addressed above. I appreciate your help and feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwatsky (talk • contribs) 20:26, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Your PAID/COI situation should be described on your User page. I agree the references are not sufficient, as either what ACDS says about itself (website and its journal), or casual mentions-in-passing, or about value of patch testing without connecting to ACDS. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kwatsky. Perhaps you should take a look at meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure since it goes into a little more detail and provides some examples of different types of paid editing. In addition, regardless of whether WP:PAID or just WP:COISELF apply to you, you might also want to read Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Ownership of content for reference as well. The last page about "ownership of content", in particular, is one that many COI editors seem to have a difficult time understanding.

Basically, a Wikipedia article is written about a subject not on behalf of a subject which means that neither the subject nor anyone associated with it has any claim of ownership or final editorial control over anything written about the subject on Wikipedia. Content will be assessed according to relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and anything not considered to comply with these policies and guidelines can be removed or revised accordingly at anytime. Any disagreements over this are going to be expected to be resolved through Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, except when they are deemed to be a serious of clear policy/guideline violation.

Given the fact that ACDS and those associated with it would be considered to have a conflict of interest with respect to the subject matter, it and they would be expected to follow WP:COIADVICE and WP:PSCOI#Steps for engagement regarding the article's content and refrain from directly editing the article, except in some certain specific cases. So, while you can continue to work on Draft:American Contact Dermatitis Society pretty much at your own pace, you won't really be able to do so the same if the draft is someday approved as an article. This is not to discourage you from continuing to work on the draft; only to point out that COI/PAID editors are generally given more leeway when it comes to drafts than they are when it comes to articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Broken formatting

Could someone with more template expertise look at Truckee station? For some reason the refences section is part of the rail track table. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 00:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

That sort of symptom is almost invariably because of an unterminated or malformatted table. Does this edit help? --David Biddulph (talk) 00:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@BillHPike: thank you for bringing attention, i have tried my level best to resolve the issue. Leela52452 (talk) 00:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: - I had already cured it. Look at the versions before and after this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Strange references

I recently encountered two articles that have similar items in the "References" section.

• Judy Strangis has "Demetria Fulton previewed Strangis in the first season of Barnaby Jones; episode titled, "Sing a Song of Murder"(04/01/1973)."
• Paul Lambert (actor) has "2. Demetria Fulton previewed Lambert in Barnaby Jones; episode titled, "Sing a Song of Murder" (04/01/1973).

Should those unusual items be left as is, reformatted, or removed? Eddie Blick (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

In December 2019, an IP editor made malformatted additions to numerous articles including the two which you mentioned. I have left a message on the user's talk page explaining how the reference should have been added, but that IP hasn't edited since, so he may not see the message. It may not be evident what the published source is which was intended to be cited. If no published reliable sources can be found, then the "reference" and the associated text should perhaps be removed. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, David Biddulph. I appreciate the feedback. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Huggle

Not sure if this is the right place to ask help for huggle, but when I use huggle and press good edit it sends a welcome message to the Ip or new edtior that edited the page. How do you make it so it does not do this. Thanks. The4lines (talk) 17:07, 22 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

Hello The4lines. The best place to ask this kind of question is at WP:Huggle/Feedback. Interstellarity (talk) 19:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok The4lines (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)The4lines

Submission got declined for Articles for Creation

Hi, I'm writing a page on a book called 'A Place for Us'. My submission got declined for not having reliable and independent sources. I think that may sources were reliable for this topic. I was wondering how I can improve my sources to get my submission approved. Kind regards, Gawande9Gawande9 (talk) 05:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gawande9: I added some more sources; the book does appear to be notable but the article was missing good sources in independent publications. I trimmed some material that was not sourced. Other editors will read your question above and likely respond in more detail.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Wow, thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it!! Gawande9 (talk) 06:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gawande9: - I've just re-reviewed and accepted the draft. It's been slightly renamed, so you can now find it at A Place for Us - well done! Nosebagbear (talk) 10:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: Thank you so much for your help! :) Gawande9 (talk) 09:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Url / Name issues

Hello,

I've just made a page for The Night With... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_With...) when I linked a friend to it on whatsapp whatsapp only saw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_With as the link, the elipsis was just seen as grammer.

The elipsis is part of the charity's name but I can't see a way to remove the elipsis from the url without also changing the page's title.

When I hit 'save' on this question Wikipedia drops the ... from the url as well in the same way...

Any ideas?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Everyoneneedscheese (talk • contribs) 20:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Browsers do tend to get confused by trailing period marks. You might try percent encoding in the url, so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_With%2E%2E%2E might work for you; it will point to the article The Night With.... --David Biddulph (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that works as a link but how do you make that the standard format for the url on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Everyoneneedscheese (talk • contribs) 20:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I can't see a way to do that. I'll note that The Night With has been created as a redirect to the article, which seems like a reasonable solution. Firefox and Chrome handle the correct link correctly. The problem seems to be in how various apps try to auto-link something that looks like a URL when you send it to someone. I tried Google Hangouts, which linked to the title with no dots at all. gMail's sent link ended up with one dot, but I was able to send the correct link by using the link button, which lets you manually format a link and avoids any of its internal guessing. Please sign your posts at the end of the last line by adding a space and four tildes: ~~~~. This translates to your linked username and a correctly formatted timestamp that helps organize discussions. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Everyoneneedscheese: That is not possible. I don't know WhatsApp but many sites and programs have a way for a user to explicitly say where a url starts and ends instead of letting a program guess. The Wikipedia method is shown at Help:Link#External links but that method should not be used when Wikipedia articles link to other Wikipedia pages. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_With...] produces [1], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_With... The Night With...] produces The Night With.... Those links work but we don't use them. We just write [[The Night With...]] to produce The Night With... when we make internal links. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: yea I was trying a few options to see if I could do what I needed it to. Was just wondering if there was another way to make it do what I wanted but doesn't seem so frustratingly. As you say it is how different apps deal with auto-linking and each seems to do it differently. Hopefully I've signed this post, still new to Wikipedia so thanks for the heads up.

@PrimeHunter: Trying to get the URL right is more for other people who might be trying to link to the article from outside of Wikipedia rather than internal linking. Everyoneneedscheese (talk) 23:06, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Everyoneneedscheese: Just to summarize, if what you want to do is be able to copy the URL from your browser's address bar and paste it somewhere, there's no way I know of to change that URL. Just save somewhere the text of the link that David Biddulph gave above, which should work everywhere:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_With%2E%2E%2E
There's no way to make that appear as the URL in the browser (at least not Firefox or Chrome), which helpfully decodes any URL-encoded characters before displaying them. Giving people the redirect with no dots is fine, too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_With
Lastly, there is now this tinyURL:
https://tinyurl.com/TheNightWith
Cheers. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:03, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thanks, for the help. Glad I wasn't missing something obvious! Now to tidy up the page. Everyoneneedscheese (talk) 10:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Closing Discussions as a Novice User

Hi there,

Discussion on a move discussion for Royal and noble styles has petered out, without a consensus in favour of a move. I have read the relevant documentation on the procedure for non-admins, but I don't want to jump too far into doing such tasks without being confident in my judgement being correct.

So, my question is: When a discussion on a page move has not had any comments for well over 7 days, indeed over a month, should I close the discussion and place the relevant templates?
Are there any procedures or norms I may not be aware of?

Thanks! Balag12 (talk) 10:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Actually non-admin closures are a prerogative of experienced users and as you stated above you are a novice. So, it is better to a ask another user. Ruslik_Zero 12:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Question:

I'm new so don't judge please but how do you "LIKE" the page?Eliza Strutz (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Eliza Strutz. Wikipedia does not have a "like" button similar to Facebook or some other social media sites. However, you can "watch" various pages, which means you will be informed when those pages are edited. Please read Help:Watchlist which explains that function. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Image Deletion Warning

RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direk_Freddie_Santos

I recently updated the page of Direk Freddie Santos at his own request, specifically to upload his own photo from his Facebook page. So the request to upload the photo was made by the subject of this Wikipedia article/biography himself. I received a warning that the photo is in danger of being deleted. I'm confused because I didn't think I was violating any copyright laws, since the photo was given by the owner himself. How do I address this issue to prevent the photo from being deleted?

Thank you!

Note: I work using the Visual Editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JenTat (talk • contribs) 15:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikimedia Commons image licensing policy at c:Commons:Licensing; the copyright owner needs to send a permission notice to Wikimedia OTRS for verification. Also see our policy about conflicts of interest since you seem to have one. Majavah ^(t/c) 17:07, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JenTat. Majavah has pointed you at pages that are relevant, but I thought I'd give you a more user-friendly explanation.

Many people misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia, and think it is like Social media, or a place to promote yourself or your concerns. It is neither: it is an encyclopaedia. Wikipedia's article about Santos does not belong to Santos, and he and his associates are discouraged from editing it directly, because they have a conflict of interest. (COI explains how they should proceed if they want to suggest changes to the article.)

Secondly, the question of pictures. Adding a picture to an article is usually a desirable thing to do; but it can be difficult because of copyright. Part of Wikipedia's mission is as far as possible to make all of its content freely available to anybody in the world. Every time we insert text in Wikipedia, we are licensing it under CC-BY-SA, so that anybody in the world can freely reuse our text, in any way, for any purpose, without payment, as long as they attribute it correctly. Similarly with images: with certain exceptions which are not relevant here, we require that every picture uploaded be free for reuse in that way, either by being the public domain by reasons such as age, or having been explicitly released under a suitable licence by the copyright holder (who is usually the photographer or artist, not the subject). If the copyright holder of the picture you want to add is willing to license it in this way, they (not you) need to follow the procedure in donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Need assistance in writing a Draft.

To all member,

Is there anyone from the team that would be interested in helping me improve my article which was moved to a Draft. I have some confusion in it and I would be prefer if someone could help me develop it.

Thank YouTerminatorwil (talk) 15:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Terminatorwil and welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your talk page and found Draft:Ahmed Emara. This is the draft that you're referring to, right? If not, can you let me know which one? It would be helpful if you could elaborate on what exactly you're confused with as well. Clovermoss (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Clovermoss

Draft:Ahmed Emara Is the article that I need help in improving it. I had created this article with citations and one of the editor moved the article to the Draft space saying it was too promotional. The confusion is how to make it neutral so that It can be moved back again.

Thank YouTerminatorwil (talk) 16:34, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Terminatorwil: Taking a cursory glance at the draft his early life is completely uncited and one line in particular (Those were the initial days were [sic] his training for his career had begun.) doesn't sound encyclopedic and sounds like it was taken from a promotional piece. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 16:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu If that is not cited, writing nothing about this early life would look too bland. Can we atleast add 1 line in it without being citedTerminatorwil (talk) 17:47, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Terminatorwil: The issue is that it's likely to be challenged, and Wikipedia has a stricter demand for sources when the subject is still alive. Where are you getting this information from? Has he been interviewed about his life? For further reading I suggest taking a look at WP:Citing sources, particularly the section When and why to cite sources.

As a side note I also have a draft on standby right now. I can't add any additional information to it for the time being because there are no sources reporting on it, meaning that it doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability standards (for now). --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 18:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Let me find any article that cite his early life and update it. What else do you suggest on improving the article. Since I have mentioned its a Stub.Terminatorwil (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Terminatorwil: Honestly? Finding more sources, citing them and expanding the article. If you're referring to tone, I would refrain from using words like "good" or "bad" to describe events and or people, but this is a very basic suggestion; nuances in wording can make sentences charged even though it may not seem so at first glance.

Please use indents when replying, as it makes it easier to follow conversation threads. You can do so by typing : in front of your paragraph. In this case, please type :: when responding to me below.--Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 20:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Terminatorwil. I'll try my best to help, although it might be a bit difficult as I do not understand Arabic. Sources don't need to be in English though, so if you have sources in other languages, don't hesitate to use them. Your draft was declined as being too promotional, as articles need to follow a neutral point-of-view. I would recommend removing phrases like "He has an online presence of more than 50 million views on his YouTube channel" unless his YouTube channel is discussed at length in reliable sources. An example of a reliable source would be a newspaper article. Even then, I would remove the "online presence" part and just write something along the lines of "he has a YouTube channel". There are other parts of the draft that could be improved, but maybe we could start with that? There can be a bit of a learning curve when it comes to editing Wikipedia. Note: I had an edit conflict with Tenryuu and I'd like to say that their advice is great. Clovermoss (talk) 17:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Clovermoss The first reference is in english and we can use it to gain more details about it. Do you think I should remove the line of the youtube channel and add something of that sort in the career section. What do you suggest?Terminatorwil (talk) 17:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Terminatorwil. Sorry for the delay, I was eating lunch. Tenryuu has offered useful advice, I'd suggest you follow it. As for the YouTube channel, I don't really think it's relevant to include unless there are independant and reliable sources covering it, as already mentioned. I'm also going to ping DGG as they declined your draft and might have more input. Clovermoss (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Clovermoss We are in a Teahouse and its ok for us to have lunch breaks. I have removed the youtube views text and i'll wait for further update from your side. DGG seems to have the longest list of people wanted to talk to him. Thanks Terminatorwil (talk) 18:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

A thing to remember, Terminatorwil, is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the subject of an article has said about themselves, or that their associates have said about them: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have published about them. For every statement in the draft, ask the question, "Where has somebody wholly unconnected Emara said this about them?" If you have an answer, cite that source. If there is no answer, then the statement does not belong anywhere in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 19:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine Your advice on the top is something that I need to follow and I feel that this would help me improve my way of writing drastically.Terminatorwil (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Another way of saying essentially the same advice: The first thing to do is to remove all adjectives and statements of praise or excellence. Then, you need references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. Of the English references, godubai is a press release--it says so right at the top. moderneast.com is a collection of press releases of people in his profession. saudi.com is a slightly disguised press release. .biztransform references the award, but we have no indication of how sigifcant the award is considered . The way to deal with the Arabic references, is to add a translation of the title of the publication, and of the title of the item, and of whatever is the key information very briefly. For example, going by Google Translate, which is often good enough to give a general impression, it's clear that the msn source is a report of a lecture he gave. This doesn't show his notability .

There's another factor: Most published articles about people in his profession are promotional; it is therefore very difficult to establish sufficient good references to establish notability here. We have about 500 articles in the Category:Life coaches and Category:Motivational speakers Some of them are notable because of other aspects of their career. Some are notable as authors for having written best-selling highly-reviewed books. About half are probably not notable. About 3/4 of the articles seem much too promotional. Many of them were written in early years when our standards were lower. At least 1/3 should be removed, and almost all the others rewritten (I've listed a few at AfD, just to get started). DGG ( talk ) 19:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Will the ref system reject my reference entry if I put letters instead of numbers?

Hello. I've come across a scholarly reference book (a furniture dictionary) where the pages have letters instead of numbers. More specifically 3 letters for the article starting a page and 3 letters for the article ending the page with a dash in between them, giving something like this: "Bul-Bur" where a page number should be. Will the ref system reject my entry if I put those letters instead of a number in the page field of the ref form?--AlainV (talk) 18:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@AlainV: Hey, just tested the {{cite book}} template in my sandbox and can confirm that letters are allowed. Just be sure to add no-pp=yes to the template.

Example code: {{cite book|last=blah|first=blah|title=Blah|pages=arp-erp|no-pp=yes}}

Result: blah, blah. Blah. arp–erp. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 19:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

You may need to use the page parameter instead. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 19:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm not using that template, I'm using the friendly looking blue citation form that pops up when I click on the choice "Book cite" among the four choices of templates offered to me. Where in that friendly looking blue citation box should I be putting no-pp=yes ?--AlainV (talk) 19:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, AlainV. Because page numbers in books often include Roman numerals and people use commas and dashes in page number fields, the software allows a wide range of characters, not just standard numerals. It doesn't make any difference if you use a template manually or use a software tool to simplify the process. The documentation is at Template: Cite book. Test the process in your sandbox. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I just went ahead and put in the letters as you suggested and it seems like it gave an excellent result. It's ref number 4: Bonheur du jour --AlainV (talk) 20:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

AfD for Recently Created Article

Are Wikipedia editors allowed to nominate AfD if the article was just created? I think the article I'm looking at was created a few hours ago, but I can't find that it meets any notability requirements after going through WP:BEFORE. It only has 3 sources on the wiki article itself, 2 of which aren't independent (the own product's website and the Google Play store).

I've only been able to find two other articles online (so there are only 3 independent sources I can find in total mentioning it at all, and 2 of those are only passing mentions).

I've seen articles nominated before quickly after they were created without sufficient WP:BEFORE, but I'm concerned that this article doesn't meet any notability requirements and that it might be promoting a product instead. - Whisperjanes (talk) 21:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Whisperjanes: If the article is in main space, then it is eligible to be deleted. If it is not a copyright violation, then it can probably be moved to Draft space so editors may work on it until it is ready to be moved to main space again. RudolfRed (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thank you for your help! I appreciate it c: - Whisperjanes (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Are there any exceptions to WP:NOR?

It seems to me that there is a lot of original research that flies under the radar. The example that comes to mind is episodes of popular tv shows that explain the entire plot-line of the episode without citing one decent secondary source. Just curious if there are different rules for these cases? Thanks! Mistipolis (talk) 09:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mistipolis! Yes there is, MOS:PLOTSOURCE. It goes for tv-series, films, novels etc. Basically you are meant to describe, not interpret when writing a plot-section on WP. This often works fairly well, sometimes editors disagree on plot elements a little (Talk:The_Mandalorian#Keeping_Star_Wars_lore_and_fancruft_out). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Mistipolis correctly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay thank you for clarifying, Gråbergs Gråa Sång! Mistipolis (talk) 22:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ubiquinone

Hey

It is not possible to ask anything in Wikipedia in Finland, so i am making a correction request here because it is not possible to edit Wikipedia in Finland either, because all users are blocked. I have a lot of problems with Wikipedia knowledge, but I'd love to start with an easy one.

Wikipedia pages in Finnish say:

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubikinoni

Ubiquinone is an orange powder. It is odorless and tasteless.

But this is not true, ubiquinone is a strongly flavored orange powder. You can taste it yourself, so you don't have to rely on research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:999:20:95D6:7073:773F:7922:45D9 (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

This is the edit link: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubikinoni?veaction=edit, so it is possible to edit it. Perhaps that Wikipedia does not allow IP editing? You could create an account, if that is the case. RudolfRed (talk) 21:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I was able to edit the article as an IP (though didn't try to save). Perhaps it was a temporary problem? You'll have to be more specific as to why you can't edit or post your request there. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. You make the mistake of believing that what you happen to know or have tasted for yourself is far better than statements in scientific papers. Did you read the reference which supported the statement that "Ubiquinone, chemically 2,3-dimethoxy-5-methyl-6-polyisoprene parabenzoquinone (Figure 1), is in its natural form an orange lipophile powder, without odour and taste." Many things have a taste when they're contaminated and, I for one, would certainly have to do an awful lot of research in order to lay my hands on the pure chemical and determine for myself whether it has a taste or not. I'd never even heard of it until today. Please don't try to change anything on any language wikipedia unless you can back it up with good quality sources, or at least show that two good quality sources take a different position on something. What you personally know to be true is of no relevance on English Wikipedia, nor on Finnish Wikipedia, I'm afraid. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

creating page

I am Poet/Author & lyricist . I want my info page on Wikipedia. How to create information about myself? Regards, Prakash Patil

Hi Prakash. You would have to find reputable sources on yourself in order to create an article that is up to Wikipedia standards. However, this is strongly discouraged as you would have a major conflict of interest. Wikipedia hosts articles, not social media pages, so I am very certain that you will not be able to do what you intend to do on here. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 05:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry but Wikipedia is not a venue to promote yourself and is not a social media website. It is a neutral encyclopedia. Please try Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, Tumblr, Twitter or Instagram to advance your career. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Rejected submission due to promotional doubts

Hi, I am helping to add an English translation of an already existing German profile from an artist who won an International Arts Price 2019 and already presented works in SF MoMA. Are there additional requirements and how to increase the relevancy of this rejected translation?

Thanks and regards, Neomys (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Neomys Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that what is acceptable on one language version of Wikipedia is not necessarily acceptable on another; each language version is its own project with its own editors, practices, and policies. In this case, the vast majority of the citations are to the artist's own website- this is not acceptable for establishing that this person meets our special definition of a notable artist. What is required is significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 08:29, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Contested deletion

Please anyone can help to create an article for Thug Life vodka and cognac — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlv333 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tlv333: Your title says "Contested deletion," so would I be correct in assuming that you may have a WP:CoI on the subject in draftspace? --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 05:37, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tlv333. Your draft has been deleted as a "test page", so the deleting admin must have thought that that was all it was. But, judging by your user name, you should start by reading NOTPROMO, and WP:COI, and then WP:Your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

How to make this edit acceptable?

Newbie here. Made an edit to 3 pages (copy/paste so minor pronoun error) to reflect an important tax tribunal case. They were reverted immediately with accusations of vandalism. I deliberately kept them short in the hope that an experienced wiki editor would expand on them.

What would correct approach have been?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/942209892 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revertavid (talk • contribs) 08:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Revertavid Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that your edits were removed because the only source you gave was the tribunal decision itself, which is a primary source. Wikipedia should be summarizing what independent, secondary reliable sources state. Put another way, this decision needs to be covered in the news or other outlet with editorial control and a reputation of fact checking. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

In Joanna Gosling, you added a sentence that included a direct external link. Such links are not acceptable in Wikipedia articles. If you had instead used a reference, it might have been accepted. (Published primary sources are acceptable in some circumstances – but I suspect that this, a claim of misbehaviour by a living person, is not among them.) Maproom (talk) 09:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Revertavid First, I seriously object to your "hopes and dreams" that some experienced wiki editor will expand on your meager efforts. The reality (IMO) is that the existing set of editors cannot match the entropy rate. Anyway, while I am not suggesting by any means that WP is the place to air your view of what facts the public should be more aware of, I would encourage you to make your best efforts. Don't be afraid to do a rewrite and replace your original effort, but it is very likely that you are the best person available to properly present these facts which must not be overlooked!

Primary vs. secondary source: Well, I'm not going to go back and look at the rules on this. A primary source is not inherently unreliable. Actually, for matters of law, there is much to be said for a primary source. Specifically, it's actually authoritative. So I don't think that would be a very good reason to revert your edit.

I have two reasons I might have reverted this:

1. "She lost against HMRC in a tax tribunal case in reference to his BBC employment status under IR35 legislation."
   Is "she" a "he"? That's news. We all want to know if that's the case. I know it shouldn't matter. Now I apologize if English is not your native tongue, but this is just very distracting. Maybe you're talking about her husband? This might make me think it's vandalism (notwithstanding WP:AGF).
2. The more pertinent point is relevance. The subject is a newscaster and author, not some kind of tax law advocate or adviser, or someone who is particularly known for purveying extreme theories about tax avoidance. Will this ruling have a major effect on her career?
   Being from the U.S., I know nothing about the IR35 legislation, but merely the fact that she was a party to this case does not in itself make it noteworthy, nor does the fact that the subject lost a case with the HMRC make it noteworthy. In other words, although this case may be noteworthy, I do not believe it is relevant to this article. Based on that, I would be inclined to revert your edit.

BTW, note how different editors offer differing opinions and the explanations are not really aligned. If the explanations seem like a stretch, that may be true. This puts into doubt the idea that there is really objective judgement about what is proper for WP. Fabrickator (talk) 10:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC) Fabrickator (talk) 10:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Did I just use the About template improperly?

Hi! I searched "NVSS" on Google with the intention of finding NRAO VLA Sky Survey on the wiki, but National Vital Statistics System came up instead in the results. So I added about templates to both the articles, linking to the other article, for easier access due to the identical acronym. Then I found the NVSS disambig page, and read that there were some guidelines for adding the About template, so... was what I did fine, or should I have done something else? —Undead Shambles (talk) 02:05, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Undead Shambles: Looks good to me. I added two more entries to the dab page, but they are titles containing NVSS instead of something for which NVSS is the complete initialism, so they don't need to be additionally mentioned at the other two pages IMO. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Alright, thank you! :) —Undead Shambles (talk) 03:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Undead Shambles and AlanM1: I disagree. The article titles of NRAO VLA Sky Survey and National Vital Statistics System cannot be confused. We don't use hatnotes just because an alternative title could refer to something else, unless the alternative title is a redirect to the page. NVSS is not a redirect but a disambiguation page so nothing had to be done. We cannot predict how people use Google, and then organize the whole encyclopedia after whatever is currently the first result on a Google search for a given user (it can vary by country and maybe other factors). People who enter NVSS in our own search box get the disambiguation page as they should. And for me, it is also the fourth result in a Google search, with no other Wikipedia pages in the first 100 results. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:09, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Doh! PH is, of course, correct. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:24, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ah, okay then. In that case, would even a hatnote linking to NVSS be inappropriate, and I should undo those edits? I always thought hatnotes were nice for exploring the similar titles but I guess that's my bias. Even after reading the hatnote guidelines I'm still a little confused, so what about these two cases, just so I have examples to understand?:

1. The hatnote at the top of radio galaxy, linking to a radio network named Galaxy (I thought that one might be a bit of a stretch)
2. The lack of hatnotes for The Goldfinch (painting), The Goldfinch (novel), and The Goldfinch (film)

—Undead Shambles (talk) 07:40, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Undead Shambles: Yes, the articles should have no hatnotes according to Wikipedia guidelines. The principle is to only use hatnotes if the full title of the article (including a part in parentheses) or a redirect to the article can be confused with another subject. See Wikipedia:Hatnote#Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous. If you see the title "National Vital Statistics System" then you should know it's not about something else with the abbrevation NVSS. That's also why articles like The Goldfinch (painting) have no hatnote. When you see "painting" in the title you should know it's about a painting and not a novel or film. There has been suggestions that articles with disambiguated names should link to the corresponding disambiguation page but it has not gained consensus. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Okay, thank you for explaining! I'll remove the hatnotes I added. —Undead Shambles (talk) 11:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Corporate notability

Hi all,

I need help with my content on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ReTyre. It has been declined 3 times even though I'v changed based on Editor's suggestions.

Can you guys have a look to see what else I should change?

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maryam Khawaja (talk • contribs) 10:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Maryam Khawaja: Before anything else, you must disclose your employer per the instructions I've left on your user talk page. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: thanks for your note!

Article Declined

Hi there.

I'm obviously disappointed that my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Enda_Grace_(Television_%26_Film_Producer) has been declined.

Can anybody shed some more light on the reasons for this please? I thought it was fair, balanced and of public interest as the subject draws a lot of attention here in Ireland.

Many thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Productionguru (talk • contribs) 13:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Productionguru. I don't think that anyone can make it any clearer than the wording in the grey box at the top of the 'Submission declined' pink box that has been placed on the draft.

You need to click on each one of the first 5 (of 7) links (words in blue) in that grey box, and carefully read the contents of the pages that they take you to: these will explain the Notability criteria it is necessary for a subject to meet in order to qualify for an article here. The further 2 links in the grey box will similarly lead you to general advice on how to try to address the draft's current shortcomings.

If despite this advice you cannot find suitable sources (online or offline) that demonstrate the subject's notability (as Wikipedia uses the term), then a Wikipedia article about them is simply not possible. However, if what you say ("the subject draws a lot of attention here in Ireland") is true, you should be able to find suitable sources in newspapers, magazines and so on. Remember that sources need to be specifically about the subject, not just about things to which the subject has contributed and in which they are mentioned or listed in passing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.202.162.227 (talk) 14:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Cleaned up draft, but I agree that it does not yet meet criteria for notability. Needs more content based on citations ABOUT Grace, not descriptions of his accomplishments. David notMD (talk) 15:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

How to Cite a Page or an Article

How to Cite a Page or an Article on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noreenkhan988 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Noreenkhan988: See WP:CITE. In short, you use <ref>reference tags like this</ref>. However, we generally do not cite Wikipedia articles because circular sourcing is a bad idea. See User:Ian.thomson/Guide#Finding_sources for suggestions on how to find sources (among other things, such as how to link to other articles on the site). Ian.thomson (talk) 08:58, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Noreenkhan988. I think you may be asking about citing a Wikipedia article outside Wikipedia. If so, please read WP:Citing Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Noreenkhan988: Note also that there is a "Cite this page" link in the "Tools" section in the left-hand margin of Wikipedia articles, which leads to sample citations in various styles. Deor (talk) 16:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Is this article capitalisation improper?

This is a bit of an English check/ manual of style check before jumping into move requests/mass moving of pages which could potentially be disruptive. There are a few dozen articles with "Parliamentary" in the title, but preceded by "List of" e.g. List of Parliamentary constituencies in Avon, List of Parliamentary constituencies in Bedfordshire, ect. If my understanding of English is correct Parliamentary should be decapitalised here, because it doesn't start the sentence and isn't a proper noun. For example, in this sentence from the UK Parliament website "The United Kingdom is currently divided into 650 parliamentary constituencies." Is this correct or am I missing something? Thank you, Editing with Eric (talk) 11:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

It's correctly capitalised as it is a proper adjective. In the context of Parliamentary constituency, it relates to Parliament as the institution. See the linked article: In general, an adjective is capitalized if its meaning is "pertaining to X", where X is some specific person, place, language, or organized group. Most capitalized adjectives are derived from proper nouns; for example, the proper adjective American is derived from the proper noun America. QuiteUnusual (talk) 14:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! This is one of those rules of English that I know but wouldn't be able to name. I think some confusion arises because parliament can be either a noun or a proper noun depending on context, and at time commons usage just ignores the related proper adjective. I did some further searching and found very conflicting usage. For example the above Parliament.uk sentence uses lower case; the Guardian and Observer style guide suggests it should be lower case, but the Gov.uk style guide recommends capitalisation of parliamentary (giving the examples of Parliamentary committees and Parliamentary report) but even the Government isn't consistent because the Government Communication Service Style Guide indicates it should be lower case (even more ridiculous, it cites the Gov.uk as a reference source!). Anyway, it seems like either capitalisation preference is generally accepted. Editing with Eric (talk) 16:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Need attention here!

Hi, there's a discussion going on over here, VF Corporation Talk page, about creating a separate page for Draft:Kontoor Brands. The company is listed on NYSE and has been covered widely by independent and reliable news media outlets. If some of you can please respond there, then we can proceed with the publication of the draft. Thank you so much in advance. FelixtheNomad (talk) 18:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

How do you add userboxes?

So, I want to add a userbox to my userpage to show that I'm in Wikiproject Video Games, and I don't know how. Could someone show me how? Thanks, King of Scorpions 19:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Try Template:User WPVG. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! [finds WP:UBX and starts exploring it ...] King of Scorpions 20:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

spelling

do we use english spellings of words or American spelling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingOreo123 (talk • contribs) 20:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

You'll find advice at MOS:ENGVAR. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, KingOreo123, we do. Also Australian, New Zealand, Canadian, Irish, Indian, South African etc.

Less flippantly, we can use any of them. If the topic of an article is strongly associated with one of those places, then we use that spelling; otherwise we use whatever spelling the article was first created with. See ENGVAR for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 20:40, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Biographical data of a person.

Does Wikipedia publish biographical data about people. I am the aunt of an EMT that was murdered in NYC in the line of duty. Many newspapers and media coverage since we still in the process of getting justice for her. A street, a park, has been re-named after her and I would like to have a small biography about the hero that she was, so that when we are no longer here, and people wants to know who she was, when they see her name, they can search it in Wikipedia and get a glimpse of her. I know this sounds far fetched, but nothing its impossible. Please don't disregard my message. A simple no will make me understand. Thank you for at least reading my message.By the way her name was EMT Yadira Arroyo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliah5736 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Aliah5736 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am very sorry for your loss. Please understand that as I give the rest of my reply- as it is hard to convey feelings through text. The answer to your question is not a straight "no", but it isn't a straight "yes" either. The role of Wikipedia is not to memorialize those who have passed. It is to build a collection of human knowledge, about subjects that receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how the subject meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. It certainly sounds to me as if either your niece or the events surrounding her passing might warrant an article, especially if there is a great deal of coverage in independent sources. Such an article might not be as you envision it- it would be pretty dry in terms of talking about your niece- only discussing what the independent sources have said about her and her life. You wouldn't be able to put your personal recollections and memories in it(unless those are discussed in independent sources).

Nothing I have said here is meant to be harsh, even though it may sound that way- I apologize- and again, please accept my condolences on your loss. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Declaring COI

Hello! I am new here and I have a question about a page I created that was recently approved. When working on the draft, I declared my COI (I work at the University) on the reviewer's talk pages. I understand I also need to officially declare the COI. I added this to my talk page, but I wanted to make sure I am doing this correctly. If so, is someone able to remove the message template on the top of the page? After working with the reviewers, I believe I have addressed all of their concerns and that the article is now written from a neutral point of view. Any advice or guidance about moving forward would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for your help! Marissascavuzzo (talk) 22:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Article is Paul J. Tesar. David notMD (talk) 22:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Often, the COI is on the editor's User page rather than Talk. I took the liberty of copying it to there.

The template was added this month, so fresh. If, over time, editors not closely associated with the article (meaning other than you and Gemma100) contribute to the article, then at some point in time an editor may decide the tag is no longer warranted. Alternatively, if no significant edits are made to the article, that represents a silent consensus that the article is valid and neutral point of view as it exists. Either way, time is key. Too recent to remove the tag. David notMD (talk) 22:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Declined submission even after attempt to address notability

Hello, my article draft has been declined twice - the first time around it was for a lack of significant coverage, as many of the sources cited were not entirely about the subject at hand.

In the second draft, I made sure to include published articles/sources that were specifically about the subject as well as its founders. I found these articles to fit wikipedia's requirement for sources - published, reliable, secondary and independent of the subject.

The language used in the article is very matter-of-fact and not hyperbolic or promotional at all. I can't see why it was denied a second time after these changes. The editor who reviewed the 2nd draft (Theroadislong) didn't leave any notes as the first editor (DGG) did, they left only the same boilerplate message that was left in the first place, with no further clarification - even after I tried to address the issue with the first draft.

Can you help me? What can I do to improve my article? Where am I going wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Goodshop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jk3142 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Jk3142, there is no rule that sources cited "must be entirely about the subject". However, for a source to help establish that the subject is notable, it must be independent, and include in-depth discussion of the subject. Which three sources cited in Draft:Goodshop do you think best do that? Maproom (talk) 17:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Maproom, these are 3 sources that I think show the criteria you mentioned: https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/credit-cards/goodshop-give-charity-holiday-shopping-12790628 https://blogs.wsj.com/holidaysales/2007/11/23/good-shopping/ https://risnews.com/goodsearch-supporters-turn-innovative-ways-help-their-favorite-nonprofits-holiday-season — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jk3142 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Jk3142, Howdy hello and welcome to the Teahouse! We don't write about every company, only those that are notable. There are billions of businesses, and we can't possibly write about every one, thus we have to have a minimum standard for inclusion. Proving notability is done by finding quality coverage that is independent of the subject and from reliable sources. Most of the sources you have are just PR, and not actually independent coverage. The WSJ article could be good, but the link is dead so I can't evaluate it. If you can't find enough sources, that may mean that the subject just isn't notable. That's not a reflection on you or the company, it just means that the media hasn't paid it enough attention to warrant an article. So: if you can find some more quality sources, please do, and add them. If not, then you may wish to edit in another area; creating articles from scratch is the hardest thing on Wikipedia. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 17:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you CaptainEek. I've added multiple sources and resubmitted for review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jk3142 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

This happens so often. The sources aren't good enough, but the creator of the article misunderstands why the draft was declined, and adds more, equally poor, references. What is needed is better references (and preferably fewer references, so a reviewer can find the good ones). Maproom (talk) 00:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

For the second decline, Theroadislong left an Edit summary: "Submission is about a company or organization not yet shown to meet notability guidelines." David notMD (talk) 17:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Help With Sources Being Trivial Mentions?

Hello Everyone!

As a quick disclosure (this is also disclosed on my Talk page), I currently work for a company called Logitech. I've been in the process of trying to have a Wikipedia page made for our CEO Bracken Darrel. My draft was rejected due to it having too many trivial mentions as sources, but the sources I included were full profiles from publications like the New York Times and Bloomberg. What counts as a trivial mention? I'm just a little confused on what else I can do to get this page published and would really appreciate some guidance from the editor community.

CiaraAislingLoughnane (talk) 18:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

CiaraAislingLoughnane hi there. Hope you are well. Personally, I think the mentions in the sources (e.g. [2]) aren't trivial, but let me explain. In this source, the mention seems trivial; it briefly outlines the life of Darrell, a few comments from De Luca, and a fairly short quote from Darrell. That isn't to say the source isn't useful as it does contain information, but perhaps not enough to contribute to our notability guidelines. As reviewers, we don't always have the time to thoroughly look through sources, so we can make mistakes (especially with WikiAviator being fairly inclined to decline [3]). You can put the article back up for review, but please add more sources before. Kind regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@CiaraAislingLoughnane @Willbb234 Hi, I have to say that I am NOT inclined to decline but the it is that most AfCs aren't up to notability standards. For your article, some sources are quite problematic:

[1]: I doubt if Engadget is a credible and independant source. Also, its talking about the company more than him in person.

[2]: OK

[3]: OK

[4]: The Bloomberg website is trivial since it is routine mention about the company (see WP:CORPDEPTH).

[5]: Same problem, this is trivial. (See explanation in source 4)

[6]: This is an undercover ad, if you go to the website of Citybizlist, there is a "promote" section for companies to disguise their ads and news as news articles, so I don't think its credible.

[7]: Alumni profiles aren't credible sources.

Therefore, only 2 sources meet the requirements and you have to find more credible sources before your resubmission. WikiAviator (talk) 01:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CiaraAislingLoughnane. I haven't looked at all the sources, but from the ones I have seen, it appears to me that the sources which aren't trivial are also not independent. The question you need to ask is, Where has somebody wholly unconnected with Darrell and with Logitech, and unprompted by them, chosen to write at some length about Darrell (as opposed to about Logitech) and been published somewhere with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking? If you have a couple of such sources, they are your primary sources for establishing his notability. If you haven't then he is not currently notable, and no amount of material based on interviews or press releases will change that. --ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@CiaraAislingLoughnane: The Bloomberg page is just a profile (values from a database with no human-written prose) and the NYT cite is an interview. Neither can be used to establish notability. Note that reviewers choose the drafts they want to review, so if someone declines a lot of drafts, it may simply mean that they choose a lot of decline-worthy drafts to review. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:58, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Second Account

I have a second account, Rodrigo Valequez 2. I've created it because I can't use my normal account while I don't have access to my normal computer. My normal account (this one) has a really complex password (I also use this password for most of my other passwords on other websites) so I don't log into this account from other devices. Is that a problem? Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 09:15, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rodrigo Valequez. That's not a problem, as long as you don't use the two accounts in forbidden ways (like supporting each other in discussions). See WP:VALIDALT. --ColinFine (talk) 09:48, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Not specific to your question, just a bit of advice: it's generally bad security practice to re-use passwords. Many high-profile sites have been hacked, in some cases (incredibly) allowing the hackers access to plaintext passwords, which are then tried on other sites. Using strong, unique passwords will limit your damage when (no longer if) such a breach occurs. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

All right, thanks for the information and advice. I came up with this password a few years ago and I’m to lazy to change it one by one, maybe I’ll do it in a few days.. Thanks again, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 10:21, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Rodrigo Valequez, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you considered using a password manager? There are several good ones out there that are free, and they allow you to have extremely strong and unique passwords on every site you visit (and even use gibberish for those “secret questions” that social engineering can often discover if you answer truthfully) while all you have to remember is a single strong password/passphrase that you never use anywhere else. A number of them also sync to your mobile device and can be used to log into apps as well as websites. Even if it weren’t more secure I’d use one simply for the convenience, as now I can use my facial recognition to log into many sites/apps even if the app doesn’t directly support it! CThomas³ (talk) 16:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice @Cthomas3:, maybe I’ll give it a try. Could you tell me the name of the one you’re using? Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 16:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Certainly! I personally use LastPass, but there are many others worth considering as well. CThomas³ (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot @Cthomas3:, I’ll have a look into it. Also, do you think you could help me with getting a deleted article restored? Thanks again, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 16:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, Rodrigo Valequez, I had some errands to run today but now I am back. I am not an administrator and therefore can't restore any deleted articles for you, but I would suggest you visit either WP:REFUND (if the article was soft-deleted, for instance via proposed deletion) or to WP:DRV (if the article was deleted as a result of a deletion discussion). I hope this helps! CThomas³ (talk) 00:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello again @Cthomas3:,I was thinking that you could help me to convince an admin to restore the deleted article. Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 11:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please be sure to read WP:CANVASS. Your article was about a non-notable individual. No amount of administrator arm-twisting will make that article happen. Sad that I must be that blunt, but them's the rules.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Info regarding semi protected article

Hi How can edit a semi protected article or tell them to delete and re add the info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamsonz (talk • contribs) 03:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Williamsonz: You can read more about this at WP:SEMI. You can only start editing semi-protected articles when your account becomes autoconfirmed. If you would like to request edits on that page, you can place this template on the article's talk page. Cheers! Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 06:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Article Creation

Hey there. I would love to make my first proper article on Wikipedia. I searched around and no one has made this article.

I would like to make a article on the Rivalry between the Brooklyn Nets and The Toronto Raptors.

I need to know if I can make one. Thanks in advance.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 16shubam16 (talk • contribs)

16shubam16 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If there are independent reliable sources that discuss a rivalry between the Nets and the Raptors, an article might be possible. However, successfully writing a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. You will be more successful at it if you first spend much time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works and what it expected of article content. New users who dive right in to creating articles often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings- I don't want that to happen to you.

If you still want to attempt to create an article, you should first use the new user tutorial and then read Your First Article. You can then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review- this way, you work out any problems first, instead of later when the draft is formally a part of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 21:08, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@16shubam16: If I were you, I'd first discuss the rivalry on this talk page. Talk:List of National Basketball Association rivalries. I follow the Celtics in the Atlantic division with both the Nets and Raptors, and don't think you can make the case that they have a rivalry yet. The info here and above this link will help too, for perspective. Atlantic Division (NBA)#Rivalries Maybe next year after Irving and Durant come back - now it's WP:TOOSOON (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Regarding wikipedia page rejection

Hai everyone, please help me to give appropriate reference and citations, as I wants to get approved. This is the second time I posted my page for review, and they rejected it due to some reference issues. THis is the message I got from team "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanadikavu vishnumaya (talk • contribs) 06:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Kanadikavu vishnumaya: Your sandbox article has only 4 references despite being relatively long - and there are many sections that do not have references. (e.g. your section on the details, and what is it famous for, and the main deities - they are completely unreferenced.) I do know that you probably have contextual knowledge of the temple - but you really need more sources to back it up. Try your best to find more sources, and by that I mean reliable sources - sources that are unbiased, official and verified. You can read more about this at WP:RS. I would also like to mention that your sub-headers are rather inappropriate (refrain from using rhetorical questions). If you have to, you can refer to other similar articles and follow the format there. You can also read about this at WP:MoS. Cheers! Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 06:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kanadikavu vishnumaya, but your sandbox reads as very promotional. Remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything said by the subject about itself (and here, that would include anything said by its adherents). It is only interested in what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it: any article should be based almost entirely on such sources. If such sources cannot be found, then the subject is not notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and no article is possible. --ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Number of Contributions

After looking around Wikipedia for a while I realized that there are several components that can be unlocked only after reaching a certain number of contribution. I already know how to check them, but I cannot see how I can see the exact total. Thank you for your time. Benjamin Borg (talk) 11:44, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Benjamin Borg: - you can use "XTools" to tell you lots of things about your contributions, including a summery of number count (69 atm) and (what is ultimately relevant to you here) - your usergroups: Xtools link - Benjamin Borg. You're autoconfirmed, which opens up the most critical aspects, such as being able to directly create an article (or move a draft into mainspace), but also things like uploading photos, edit semiprotected pages etc. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Benjamin Borg, there are two automatic user groups related to edit count; autoconfirmed is given after 10 edits over 4 or more days, which allows creating pages in mainspace, moving pages, editing semi protected pages, and uploading files (although most files go to Commons, where there is no such requirement). After making 500 edits over 30 or more days, you are in the extended confirmed group. The only purpose of this is to edit extended confirmed protection pages, although this is only rarely used, being in force on about 2000 of our 6 million pages. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 11:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble and [[Nosebagbear] thank you for responding, it has helped a great deal. Benjamin Borg (talk) 12:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Why so many Vodka articles!?

The decline of a draft for Thug Life Vodka led me to List of vodkas, which is a list of 150 brands, each with its own English Wikipedia article. To me, that fact is appalling. (But then, I also find List of whisky brands appalling.) Many of the vodka "articles" are stubs or sub-stubs with minimal or no referencing. Would a "PROD" cleansing be appropriate? Is there a vodka expert in PROD-land able to make such judgements? David notMD (talk) 18:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello @David notMD:, I’m thinking the articles could be merged into one article or we could delete some of the brands (I’m pretty sure that most of the brands don’t even meet the notability guidelines.). We should look into this. Regards, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Are you appalled that there are so many articles on vodka brands or that so many of the articles are so poor? I don't see how this is different from List of automobile manufacturers, List of publishing companies, or any of hundreds of other lists of companies. If the brands aren't notable, their articles could be deleted, but I don't see the problem with having articles on individual vodka brands.--Khajidha (talk) 13:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Move article to mainspace

I created a new draft for Lis Smith. Ordinarily, I would just move it to mainspace myself since I have the permissions, but there is a redirect for "Lis Smith" to the Pete Buttigieg 2020 presidential campaign article. How can I remove the redirect and publish? Do I need to formally request a page move? Thanks 9H48F (talk) 23:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@9H48F: Yes, post a request at WP:RM. You'll need an administrator to move a page over a redirect. RudolfRed (talk) 00:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks! 9H48F (talk) 15:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

"Undisclosed payment" notice

If a page is flagged as having been written/edited by a person who was paid, but was not cited as such, will including the name of the author and the fee he or she was paid love the issue? Thanks very much for your help. Srcohen614 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srcohen614 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Srcohen614 you may want to check out these guidelines if you want more information regarding paid articiles/edits. Also, remember to sign your comment in all talk pages. See you around. Benjamin Borg (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Srcohen614, the point of the tag is so that editors are made aware of the problems likely on that article. The problem isn't that it was paid for, but that the person writing the article won't have had the best interests of the encyclopedia in mind, rather their interest to promote the business and get paid. So it is tagged, so editors can find and remove promotional language, unencyclopedic detail, and many other problems usually in paid articles. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 15:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Alex Noble. This makes the issue quite clear to me! Srcohen614 (talk) 16:05, 25 February 2020 (UTC) Srcohen614

I post a article but it is rejected several time. I think I already make a lot of changes but they still think I violate the copyright.

I post a article but it is rejected several time. I think I already make a lot of changes but they still think I violate the copyright. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zzhu8516/sandbox&redirect=no — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzhu8516 (talk • contribs) 04:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Your draft was declined several times, meaning that, in the opinion of the reviewers, it was not acceptable as an article, but might become so if improved. Then it was rejected, meaning that the reviewer believed it its subject did not warrant an article, and any further work on it would be a waste of time. Maproom (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I rejected the draft because it was being resubmitted without any significant improvement, so that the submitter was wasting both their own time and the time of the reviewers.

The submitter is in a difficult situation caused by her instructor. She writes on my talk page:

She writes on my talk page:

Maybe i had violated the copyright.But i did not mean to do it. This is my first time to edit a wikipage. For my uni, i am studying a course which asks me to write a wikipage and need to post it. If it is not published or delete or there are any problems with copyright i might get a failure to this unit.So i am so urgent as the assignment is already due. Also, my uni is in a English speaking country and i have to edit in English. I also dont have the right to ask my tutor to ask in the education board. I think i have the ability to do this by my self.What i am trying to do now is that fix all the problems and try my best to let it submit succesfully.That's the reason i resubmitted several time yesterday and i do revised a lot of places .But i am feel worried that i still have not got passed.  

So it appears that the student has a problem with an instructor who doesn't understand Wikipedia. Does anyone have any advice for the student? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Zzhu8516 and Robert McClenon: I am an administrator here on Wikipedia, and I would invite the student to pass on the following comments to their course tutor, pointing out that we have told her that (through no fault of her own) her course tutor's actions have created an upsetting and difficult situation, which we cannot resolve for her:

1. It is highly unprofessional for any course tutor to set any tasks which require any student to create a new article on this encyclopaedia.
2. To tell a student that their success in their assignment depends upon such a task is irresponsible and unfair to the student
3. It shows a complete misunderstanding by the course tutor of what Wikipedia is here for.
4. Wikipedia does encourage educational organisations to work with us, but this is not the way to go about it.
5. Your tutor can learn how to get students to work with Wikipedia by going to [4].
6. They should have made it clear to all student that simply copy/pasting content from published sources into Wikipedia breaches our policies; is intellectual theft, and teaches the student very little. All contributors here must write content in their own words.
7. Overly-technical articles that serve an instructional manual are not accepted on Wikipedia, per WP:NOTMANUAL
8. Creating an article in a student's own sandbox, or as a Draft, should be as far as any course target should ever go. Expecting us to accept every student page into mainspace is unreasonable, unrealistic and unfair on the student.
9. The hand drawn diagrams uploaded by this student are not of sufficient quality for an encyclopaedia, yet expecting any student to be able to create non-copyright, good quality imagery of skeletal structure is also unrealistic.
10. Notwithstanding the obvious breaches of copyright, this student's work clearly shows me that they have grasped enough of Wikipedia's procedures to create a draft, lay it out correctly, and can add suitable citations (though they could have been improved by adding authors and dates, and not citing a private site requiring login authorisation).
11. Had there not been copyright issues and a belief that this is too detailed a page for Wikipedia, I would have said this was not a bad effort by the student.
12. Setting a course target of publishing a paper has caused disruption here, and could have ;led to the student being blocked, yet this would have been the fault of the course tutor, not the student.
13. We already have an article on Hip dysplasia, and a short edit to this section of it might have been more appropriate - and still could be.

If the course tutor wishes to engage with me for further advice, they are welcome to come to my Talk Page and I will clarify any matter for them. I will place a copy of my response on the student's talk page, as she may feel awkward about passing on a link to this page (which will be archived in a few days, anyway, so the link won't then function).Nick Moyes (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

There are some points that i want to say: My tutor said very clearly about using your own words to write. It was me that made this mistake and i want to revise the aricle instead of rejecting it and denying all the efforts that i made.For the references, i could delete those private website and add author and dates. This aricle is about a surgery called Triple pelvic osteotomy which is caused by hip dysplasia,so it is not just explaining what hip dysplasia is.I explained some about the hip dysplasia in the aricle to make it more clear about the purpose of the surgery.If u think the part about hip dysplasia is unnecessary,i can delete them and make the text shorter.Everyone will make mistake and i did not mean to violate any policy. It is because it is about a surgery so i feel a little bit difficult to rewrite some of the theory. But now i understand. And can i still edit my article and can it be published if it is good enough? But under such a circumstance, even if i finish writing, i cannot resubmit as it is rejected. As what u said abot pic, i have tried my best to draw.If it is under the wiki standard. I can delete it. So what do u reconmmend to do next for me? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzhu8516 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC) Hey Shalor (Wiki Ed), can you possibly help with this situation, perhaps as a liaison between the student, the tutor and us? Bkissin (talk) 18:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• Hi Bkissin, I've posted a welcome message to the student's talk page - as far as I know, the student isn't one of ours. Hopefully they'll pass on the content to the instructor. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Submission rejected

Dear Community, I'm currently working on adding pages for characters that fought during the Indian Independence Movement. My submission got declined for not having verifiable online sources. In fact, I used references from published works of history in the Malayalam language. I think that my sources were reliable for this topic. I was wondering how I can improve my references to get my submission approved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Asamadbhr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asamadbhr (talk • contribs) 11:25, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Asamadbhr:, I think that your submission was rejected because it only used sources from Malayalam published work. Did you use secondary news sources from trustworthy websites, or get primary sources and direct citations and statements from the Indian government? All your sources were to offline sources that most Wikipedia editors wouldn't be able to obtain, would it be possible to add online sources? On the page every single citation doesn't have a link. Even the interview wasn't linked. The article also doesn't have an infobox, doesn't have a bold starting title, any images and more. As @Robert McClenon: mentioned, you seem to be praising the subject, so its neutrality is questionable. You also don't have the person's birth or death dates. Read all the comments. I suggest you read Help:Introduction and Help:Your first article and adjust your article to the guidelines, and them I'm sure your article will be accepted.

Also, you sign your messages with 4 tildes like this: ~~~~.

Hope this helps. Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ • ^{Talk to me}∕_{What have I been doing} 12:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Asamadbhr. I must disagree with Berrely: some of the issues they bring up are not relevant, in my opinion. You certainly do not have to have at least one source online, or at least one source in English; however, it is an unfortunate fact that if your sources are all in a foreign language or offline (or both) it will be harder to review, and you are likely to wait longer until somebody is willing to pick up your draft and review it. And the issues of presentation Berrely mentions (in particular the infobox) are not crucial to acceptance of a draft. If a person's dates are available in published sources, then they should be in the article, but that is not always the case.

The point about primary vs secondary sources is important, but as far as I can tell the sources in, for example Draft:Malu Hajjumma are secondary - though it will depend partly on who published them: were they published by an independent publisher with a good reputation, or by a vanity publisher, or a body associated with the subject? You need to provide more bibliographic information about the sources - please see referencing for beginners. But the point about neutrality is certainly relevant, as is the question of encyclopaedic tone. --ColinFine (talk) 15:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, you're right, I was a little harsh, and though an infobox is recommended, it is definitely not necessary. It would be ideal if there were other sources, but when I looked online the only source I could find was in the Wikipedia article Variyan Kunnathu Kunjahammed Haji, which, ironically was added by Asamadbhr themself. Also, the article is quite poorly written, with commas in wrong places, and the weird use of "alias" instead of "also known as" or "or". I am generally not sure about the neutrality, as the article's lead starts by praising Variyan Kunnath Kunjahammad Haji, who was a cousin, which is very unrelated. It included unnecessary information, and also lacks information where it is needed. The source issue is a problem, but the only reference I could ever find to any of the books was in the Variyan article, and after looking at the article, noted that it was effectively a copy of it with the same citations and info removed.. I very much doubt they have copies of books from 1921, but I'm not saying they don't. Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ • ^{Talk to me}∕_{What have I been doing} 16:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Publication

Hi just wondering how do I know/how can I make my page public for everyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariyan Ross (talk • contribs) 23:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Hariyan Ross: You have only made 2 non-deleted edits on Wikipedia. I think this is about your user page. It has been deleted by Alexf LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 23:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Hariyan Ross: Your page is public by default, as almost every other page in Wikipedia. In this particular case your user page was deleted (therefore earlier edits not visible), due to misuse of Wikipedia as social media, as noted in your user talk page. -- Alexf^(talk) 23:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Hariyan Ross: Please note that your user page is for facilitating your work on Wikipedia, not a general "profile" page like that on social media (see WP:UP). Also note that it will not show up in external search engines, like Google. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Privacy

I uploaded a picture of a 12.7 mm bullet. I realised that the coordinates of where I took the picture was visible. Is there a way to possibly delete this? Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 17:44, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Rodrigo Valequez, I would tag the file at commons with {{SD|G7}}, which will tag the image as user requested speedy deletion, which is permitted for new files. You can then use external software or websites (a search for removing location metadata from photo will find you plenty of ways) to remove the location metadata, then reupload as a new image to Commons.

Thanks,

~~ Alex Noble - talk 18:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I've tagged the file for you. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 18:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 19:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Volunteer Information

Hello, I am trying to acquire 16 hours of Community Service by the end of Thursday and was wondering when is the earliest I can start? If I can't, any information outside of the companies link I am going to provide will be greatly appreciated.

https://wikimediafoundation.org/participate/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikementzer19 (talk • contribs) 01:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Mikementzer19 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you are asking- are you asking how to volunteer for the Wikimedia Foundation? You would need to contact them directly for assistance. If you just want your volunteer work to be editing Wikipedia(not sure that counts, but you would know better than I), you don't need anyone's permission to start. 331dot (talk) 08:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

As Wikipedia is essentially anonymous, I doubt you could use editing Wikipedia to satisfy a criminal sentence of community service. John from Idegon (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

However, we cannot give legal advice. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Is it not possible that they require the community service hours to fulfil, for example, a school requirement, rather than a criminal sentence? Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing)

Citing wikipedia articles.

Hi again, is it possible, to cite another Wikipedia Article? Thanks once again. Benjamin Borg (talk) 16:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

No, Benjamin Borg. Wikilinking to other Wikipedia articles is encouraged, but references must be to reliable sources which excludes anything user-generated, including most Wikis and forums, and iMDB. See WP:CIRCULAR. --ColinFine (talk) 17:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Benjamin Borg: The usual approach is to cite the source that is cited by the other article, if there (hopefully) is one. Technically, I've heard that if you copy the cite directly from the source of the other article, you should mention that in your edit summary, e.g., "Cite ref_name copied from [[Article_name]]". —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Robert Pastorelli

Robert Pastorelli appeared as Cop #2 in the Cagney & Lacey S2 E3 episode "The Beauty Burglars" first aired on 11/8/82.

Please update his entry as needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:997F:4C00:B53B:E8A5:1BA:5877 (talk) 21:09, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Probably not needed. Not every role needs to be listed in the article. You can start a discussion on the talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Creating articles

Hi, I've tried to start a handful of articles only to have them deleted because of insufficient references, etc. Why aren't these articles allowed to stay up so that others can add to them? It seems unreasonable to expect the creator of an article to also it flush out to such an extent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 01101010 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

01101010 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at your edit history, I don't see where you've had any drafts or articles deleted except for Tommy Wright III which was recreated. If there are specific drafts you are referencing, please link to them so we can give you a better answer. Typically drafts are not deleted just because they were not sufficiently referenced- they are usually only deleted for reasons like being promotional or a copyright violation. 331dot (talk) 08:27, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, 01101010, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is what Draft space, and articles for creation are for. Don't try to create articles directly in main space unless you are confident that your very first attempt will create something with enough in it to be kept. Have you read your first article? --ColinFine (talk) 11:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine and 331dot thanks for your responses. When an article is started as a draft can others find it and add to it? 01101010 (talk) 21:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

01101010 Others would have to know how to find it, as Drafts are not indexed by outside search engines, but yes, anyone who finds it could edit it. 331dot (talk) 21:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Having said that 01101010, it is fine to create a draft and invite other people to work on it; but creating a minimal draft in the hope that somebody will find it and add to it seems a pretty ineffective way of working. --ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Search example: A search on Peter Pedroni finds nothing, but a search on Draft:Peter Pedroni finds a draft. This is within Wikipedia. Outside searches (Google, etc.) will not find the Wikipedia draft. David notMD (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Adding a company profile

Hi, I'm looking to add a company profile to Wikipedia.

From what I understand, if I am to make the addition myself it is recommended that I first make some edits to existing pages (which would require that I have new and relevant information on the page subject) and wait for my status to change to 'auto-confirmed user'.

Is this necessary, and what would the disadvantages be if adding the company page immediately?

I work for Overwater Basses, a UK based instrument designer and manufacturer. The company has been hand crafting basses since about 1979/1980. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swebbbass (talk • contribs) 11:12, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

You need to read about conflict of interest, and the first thing you have to do is to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

...and then, Swebbbass, you would need to find at least three good resources that are totally independent of your employer which talk about your company in detail and in depth. Ignore all press releases, own websites, social media outlets and the like, but look only for evidence that shows the world at large has taken note of your company and has talked about it in books, magazines or news outlets. Brief mentions are not counted. Having found those, compare them against Wikipedia's criteria for business notability to assess whether the business meets - or fails to meet - our bar. If it fails, then company is not notable in our eyes, so you'd be flogging a dead horse to keep trying', and there'd be no point fretting over it (if you pardon the pun). To avoid a non-notable page being speedily deleted, we advise all new editors - especially those trying to push their company's interests here, to submit their article for review by experienced volunteers via our process called Articles for Creation. There's even an easy "Article Wizard" there to help you create a draft article to start work on. There is no advantage in adding a new page immediately if its notability is borderline - it'll simply be deleted one way or another, or, if you're lucky, someone might turn it back into a draft article. The downside of going though our AFC process is that there is a long backlog. Remember, we volunteers, and Wikipedia itself, are not here to help your company promote itself.

Even if it were deemed 'notable', it would still not be a "company profile", as you called it. It would be an encyclopaedia entry over which your company has absolutely no control of its contents whatsoever. Consider that carefully - it can backfire. Hope this additional comment also helps - but you must follow David's declaration advice before you do anything else here, please. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to add that the idea of writing a new article from scratch without having spent significant time becoming familiar with the platform is a common one, and deeply flawed. While this might work on other types of platforms, where you just submit a plain text, Word doc, or PDF, Wikipedia doesn't work that way. It has a Manual of Style that must be adhered to, its own WP:Wiki Markup Language that is used to control the presentation of material, lots of templates that are used to accomplish common tasks, categories that are used to classify articles for relation to other articles, etc. Doing all of this without learning about those things through experience is "trying to run before you walk". While some of this can be dealt with by other helpful volunteers, note that they are just that – volunteers – preferring to work on things in which they are interested, and who appreciate it when other editors are more self-sufficient. When a contribution comes from someone with a COI, seeking to promote a company, requiring volunteer help to fill in the gaps between their contribution and what may reasonably pass for an encyclopedia article, it's just a difficult situation for everyone.</soapbox> —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:01, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I would further add Swebbbass that there is not a single "profile" on Wikipedia. That's a social media term. Wikipedia has articles. This is an important distinction that might cause you to rethink how you view Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the input and clarifications, this has been very helpful, and enlightening! I'll consider whether to create the article after further research on Wiki protocol, clearly I would need to understand the process better. To clarify; although I currently work for the company, I do so in a freelance capacity and have not been asked to add the company to Wikipedia, I was however made aware of their absence, and as I am currently paid by them it would obviously still be considered a conflict of interest as mentioned above. I'll give it some thought. Thanks again for everyone's help and input. 2A00:23C6:460B:1800:D804:65F1:7202:59A5 (talk) 00:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Swebbbass (talk) 00:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Showing a search string on a talk page

What is the preferred way to show a search string on a talk page? For example, let's say I want to describe a search for the following:

"hunting dogs" -weimaraners

I don't want to put it in quotes because then it would look like ""hunting dogs" - weimaraniers". And boldface and italics seem indicated for other things. Any recommendations? Ottoump (talk) 18:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ottoump. Something that might work is the <code> tag. "Try using the following search string: "hunting dogs" -weimaraners" CThomas³ (talk) 18:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! That's perfect. Ottoump (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ottoump: I often link to the search. {{search link|"hunting dogs" -weimaraners}} produces the Wikipedia search "hunting dogs" -weimaraners. {{Google|"hunting dogs" -weimaraners}} produces the Google search "hunting dogs" -weimaraners. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I originally tried that, but had a few problems. First, I got weird results on Google in that the result set was considerably larger when I added the exclusion term. That led me to Bing, which produced the predicted results (smaller result set when excuding strings), but was leery of embedding the complexity of the Bing URL into an external link. [For what it's worth, the actual search I was trying to run was on Congressman "Anthony Wiener" -sexting. Please don't judge .] Ottoump (talk) 02:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I have updated my page with new content- need review

I have updated the content, can any one check my page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Firstshow28/sandbox to move articlelive or not — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firstshow28 (talk • contribs) 06:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Firstshow28, I'd advise you to take the following steps:

• Check your capitalisation - all proper nouns (e.g. names) start with a capital letter.
• Check how you are using references. A reference should support an assertion - you have your first reference after your name of the film, before you've asserted anything. The ref needs to come after you've made a statement of fact.
• Your refs should come after the punctuation, rather than before it - so, at the end of a sentence, it's a full stop, then a ref.
• I'd advise you to make the language a bit less promotional. 'Massive success' 'critically acclaimed by critics and audiences alike' - it's all too much. A more neutral statement about a positive reception would be sufficient.
• I'd trim the synopsis significantly - the WP:FILMPLOT calls for 400-700 words for a section like that, yours looks significantly longer than that.

Hope that helps. GirthSummit _(blether) 07:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Why???!!!

Why does Wikipedia even exist? I have looked at Wikipedia articles saying that it isn't trustworthy. IT IS LITERALLY THE STUPIDEST THING EVER!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heyurgr8 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Heyurgr8: You can read about the history and creation of Wikipedia, here: Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 22:39, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Heyurgr8: And your two edits did nothing to improve that, changing an already-correct caption for an image, and intentionally mis-spelling "defamation" as "merdure". Why exactly are you here? If you don't want to help, just enjoy the fruits of the millions of man-hours of free labor we put in every year, maybe say thanks, and move along. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Here's an opinion on that: Using Wikipedia: Crash Course Navigating Digital Information #5. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Cool, BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

That is cool. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Questions to any editors who've written a FAQ section in a talk page before

It seems that FAQ sections are added on a case-by-case basis for questions or topics that are constantly recurring in talk pages. I'd like to understand the best way to learn how to add a fair, productive FAQ section for a topic.

What's the best way of contacting people who've done this before?

--ProbablyAndrewKuznetsov (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Learning_how_to_write_a_good_FAQ_section_for_a_talk_page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Question regarding orphaned fair use images

I've received a bunch of talk page notifications for orphaned fair use images, where images I uploaded for use in articles have been replaced by another editor in good faith. I've no interest in reverting the articles to use these images, but I'm uncomfortable with what are essentially a bunch of warnings being active on my tp. I understand the images in question will be deleted automatically after 4 March, but it's not clear if there is any action I could or should take before then? Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 11:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Gricehead, There isn't anything you have to do. You can ignore the warnings, and it is within policy to remove them from your talk page. If you think the image should be on the article, you have a few days to start a discussion, but if you don't have to, and can just let the timer run out. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 12:12, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Gricehead (talk) 12:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

First time user, wants to object to a page

Hello!

Thanks for taking this on.

I just landed on a page which seems so shockingly biased that I don't know where to start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_envelope

This reads like a propaganda release from the government of Israel,not an objective description of this region. More to the point, I cannot find anyone outside of extremely-devoted Zionists who even *use* this phrase.

What would be the most efficient way to begin lodging my objections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pernicebro (talk • contribs) 02:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Pernicebro: Welcome to Wikipedia. You should start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 03:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Pernicebro Please be aware that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state- any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. If you have independent reliable sources that describe the Gaza envelope differently, please offer them- this does not mean that the article will be worded the way you think it should be, but you can discuss your concerns with other editors to arrive at a consensus as to what the article should say and in what manner. Wikipedia does not necessarily give equal time to all points of view, coverage depends on the sources. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

To be honest the current article is mostly sourced to Israeli governmental sources and as a consequence is not neutrally worded (most blatant instance: incessant terrorist attacks). I left a POV tag and a couple of sources on the talk page but I am not sure what to do with the article text. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I have added three reliable, and neutral, sources and reworked the article. I have de-tagged it as I believe it is now sufficiently NPOV, but please feel free to re-tag if you think it needs more work. Best, QuiteUnusual (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Looks good to me, QuiteUnusual! Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Spamming with incorrect information

Regarding the wikipedia for OnlyFans. One editor is continually adding an incorrect URL to the page which is a redirect to a referral domain. The official domain for the website has been blacklisted but regardless of how many times the wrong URL removed, this editor still continues to add it back every time. What can be done about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.99.240.10 (talk) 10:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I've requested temporary semi-protection of the page, or whatever solution an admin deems necessary. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

speeding up a pending changes tag review?

I have made some changes to a page which has a pending changes tag. Someone else wants to remove one of the changes I have made on that page. Now I don't want to push my edits, but I am curious to see what happens to them, whether they stay or go. Is there a way to speed up the process of review here? If there isn't I don't mind. I'm sort of use to Wikipedia speed. But just wanted to know nevertheless. Thanks. DTM (talk) 13:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Usually pending changes are reviewed in less than 24 hours, although it depends on the nature of the edit. I wouldn't be surprised if parts of your edit are rejected as the wording is likely to be considered to reflect a point-of-view and not being neutral ("...excessive budget allocation..." for example would have to be the view of the majority of reliable sources, not just one). QuiteUnusual (talk) 13:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I will make changes accordingly. DTM (talk) 16:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Once I signed up I could no longer see the talk history of a page

I'd like to reference some things said in the past that have shaped the article, cite/quote them and then write my response and frankly I have no clue where to start.

I'm not totally code illiterate, I routinely open the inspector in Chrome to find the source for an image or audio file, but that's really about it.

"Questions should appear at the bottom of the page" I hope you mean at the bottom of my message. Is there a short video possibly of how to use the talk page for an article or can someone tell me how to find the talk history and then start a new topic about something said previously? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarzankingofmars (talk • contribs) 15:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tarzankingofmars. Most article Talk pages should never have anything deleted. Where there is heavy traffic, people sometimes set a talk page up to auto-archive. In that case, there should be a "Search archives" box near the top, to search the archives of that page. If you want to revive an archived topic, the best thing is to start a new topic on the Talk page (use the "New section" or "+" button at the top), but include a Wikilink to the archived topic (which will usually be of the form [[Talk:page title/Archive xxx#section title]]).

Apart from archiving, the only times that article talk pages should have anything deleted is where there is something unacceptable on the page: vandalism, personal attack, privacy breach, or copyright violation.

I'm not sure if that answers your question? --ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tarzankingofmars: You used a link which starts a new section. This automatically appears at the bottom of the page as it should. Click the "Talk" tab at top of an article to see the talk page. See more at Help:Talk pages. Some articles have no talk page but then you can create it. If you name or link a page of interest then we can often give better help. No pages disappear just because you log in. By the way, eight years is one of the longest gaps I have seen between edits. Good job remembering your username and password. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I checked out J. B. Hunt page

After reading, I think that the citation issue has been resolved but I am no expert. Shall we remove it? AngelicaDos (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I removed it. But I also deleted an unsourced and obsolete statement. For one thing, Swift Transportation no longer exists as an independent company.Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Charles Hubbard died on February 12, 2020 at the age of 79.

I put something on a few weeks ago.

Charles Hubbard, who served from 1993 - 2008 as Canadian MP for Miramichi, passed away on February 12, 2020 at the age of 79. I was hoping you could put that on there among your "Deaths of 2020".

I knew him because he was my high school principal. Would I have to ask his family about that? You could probably just put it on his Wikipedia Profile page. He was born October 29, 1940 and died February 12, 2020.

Thanks,

Mike H. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HambMich (talk • contribs) 17:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Your edit was reverted because you provided no reference to published reliable sources. I was able to find a published obituary to confirm his death, so I have updated Charles Hubbard (politician). Thank you for letting us know. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm at a loss about the citations

I've made multiple adjustments to correct my citations, but I keep getting rejected. Can someone please pinpoint which ones are flawed and how I can correct it? I'm a fast learner, but could use some guidance!

Here is my draft. Rleighty855 (talk) 06:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Your draft was rejected several times for problems with sourcing. You seem to have fixed some of the problems, but significant portions of the text sill lack sources. The sources are all primary sources as well. We only publish articles on subjects that meet our notability guidelines, which relies on there being in-depth coverage (reporting) in multiple independent sources. I could not find anything on her in the press. It's always possible that an academic might meet the special notability guideline of WP:PROF, but someone else might comment on that.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

None of your refs establish her notability, i.e., are not independent articles about her. Universities where she is on faculty providing a CV do not count. Academics publish, get awards, help edit sci journals, etc. Not notable for doing their job. David notMD (talk) 09:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I was assmuing good faith at first, but this turned out to be paid editing, now disclosed.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:19, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hi, why was my page deleted and how can i improve it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamprashant59 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Iamprashant59, for anyone to have an article here, they have to have received significant coverage in reliable sources. This is important, as without it it is impossible to create a good article, as as an encyclopedia, our articles are based solely on what these reliable sources have written about the topic. Most people, and realistically, most Youtubers, don't meet this guideline, and so can't have an article here. This isn't a problem with your article, it is a problem with the topic of your article, and at the present time there isn't much you can do about it.

You might want to read both Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability and Wikipedia:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability ~~ Alex Noble - talk 11:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Your article Prashanta Timilsena was nominated for Speedy deletion. You are also abusing Wikipedia by moving the article to main space after it was rejected at Articles for Creation, for having a draft article of this content, a Sandbox of this content, and the same content on your User page, meaning you are attempting to create an autobiography. Autobiographies are strongly discouraged, and your User page is not for social media profile. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

what was the article in question about? Sbob99 (talk) 18:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Question

So i've noticed there's been an influx of articles about characters from the mcu, and i wanted to know: what exactly is the policy for fictional characters who are based on pre existing fictional characters?Sbob99 (talk) 18:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sbob99 Hmm, like Captain America, Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe), Captain America (Ultimate Marvel character) and Alternative versions of Captain America? Good question. I'm not sure you'll find a policy beyond WP:GNG (which is actually a guideline), this will boil down to consensus/case by case (I think). I believe the major GoT-characters have one article each. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia_talk:Notability#More_fiction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

sources

what is an appropriate source for an article about a novel? Wandavianempire (talk) 20:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Wandavianempire Reviews in decent newspapers/magazines, pretty much. Or coverage in books about literature if you have it. If you have 3-4 of those, the novel is likely WP:NOTABLE, see also WP:NBOOK. When you have that, it's ok to write a plot/synopsis section based on the book itself (MOS:PLOTSOURCE), you don't need inline citations for that bit. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Getting to the visual editor

I realize this is a place to ask about Wikipedia editing, but I wonder if someone might be able to help with a similar question from Wikimedia. I am trying to edit my Greenhouse course project page, and can no longer see the visual editor option. Nor do I see the switch editor option (next to the pencil it says "Advanced--Special Characters--Help" and I can't get these options to go away to see if this might be the tool I need). I used to be able to use the visual editor there, and since I am trying to create a table, visual editing would be a lot easier. Am I just missing it? I haven't found a similar help opportunity on Wikimedia, but if I shouldn't be asking this here, please just let me know. Many thanks. TrudiJ (talk) 10:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

TrudiJ, https://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TrudiJ/EducationGreenhouseProject&veaction=edit is a direct link to visual editor on that page. Not sure if there is an easier way to get to it other than copying information between urls though. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 10:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@TrudiJ and Alex Noble: I just spent 10 minutes trying to fathom this one out, without success, at first. Initially I changed the WikiMedia Editing Preferences but to no avail, and was still stuck with only Source Editor. It was only Alex's helpful link that proved it was possible to open VE on a userpage on that site. Finally, I explored my Preferences Beta Features Tab and was surprised to see that there I was presented with a Visual Editor option which, thus far, all of 186 users appear to be trying out! Having saved the changes, I could now edit your page in Visual Editor via the old familiar Tab at the top of the page. And the 'Switch Editor' pencil was back, too. Quite why you could edit it that way before, but not now, I have no idea. It suggests that either you've changed some of your own settings without realising it, of something major has changed over at outreach.wikimedia.org Anyway, I hope this sorts you out. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:45, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes and Alex Noble: Thank you both so very much. I really am grateful, and also glad that it wasn't something super obvious that I had missed. I guess I am now user 187 using this Beta feature, which I would swear was standard before.

Putting up a Portuguese version of a Japanese article

I am trying to put up a Portuguese version of the article for Kozo Iizuka, which is originally in Japanese.

As far as I can make out, I should be able to do this by clicking the "Edit links" at the bottom of the list of languages at the left of the article, but it takes me to Wikidata where there is no obvious way of creating a new content page.

I've read as much of the documentation on Wikipedia as I can find, but am still stuck. Help appreciated.Tripbeetle (talk) 08:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Tripbeetle have I understood you correctly - you want to create an article in the Portuguese language? This is the English Wikipedia - our articles are all in the English language. If this is correct, you should consider asking over at pt.wikipedia.org. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 08:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Girth Summit I am trying to put up a Portuguese version of the article Kozo Iizuka. It has already been translated. I don't speak Portuguese, so the Portuguese help page will be of no use to me. I thought, though, that the procedure for adding a translation of an existing article would be standard across all languages.Tripbeetle (talk) 09:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Tripbeetle I'm going to bow out at this point - I've never tried to create an article in a different language wiki, I'm afraid I can't offer any guidance. Hopefully someone with the requisite knowledge can help, or at least a Portuguese speaker who can help you interpret the instructions. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Tripbeetle, if you are asking about the interlangauge links in the left column, to add these you need to go to wikidata:Q63229830. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 09:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble Thanks, but I have visited that page several times while trying to work this problem out, but cannot find how to create a new page from it. First of all, I have to create a new language page for an article that already exists. I'm finding that to be the difficult bit.Tripbeetle (talk) 09:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I do not understand why there is an English article on this topic (non-famous Japanese citizen has car accident in Japan), let alone a need for a translation into Portuguese. David notMD (talk) 10:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

David notMD There are a lot of English-speakers - and even more Portuguese speakers - here in Japan! And the car accident was huge in the news, because it sparked a nationwide debate about privilege.Tripbeetle (talk) 10:28, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Apologies. I was ignorant of the long history of Japanese immigration to Brazil and subsequent immigration to Japan, from Brazil. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

TripBeetle. If you want to create a Portuguese version of the article, you need to do so in the Portuguese Wikipedia. Wikidata holds links between articles in different Wikipedias, but you need to create the article first. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Correcting the ping: Tripbeetle. --ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Do we really need and article about Kozo Iizuka, a man (supposedly) notable for involvement in a car accident, and one about the Higashi-Ikebukuro runaway car accident he was involved in? It seems to me that one or the other ought to be sufficient. Chuntuk (talk) 21:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Grading articles

This might sound a stupid, (even ridiculous) question... but how are articles graded? only sometimes I feel there is no feedback, (at least no positive feedback) when attending honest editing? Thank you  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 03:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse The Emperor of Byzantium! There are a couple different "levels" of articles. To see how they are graded, you can read WP:ASSESS#GRADES, which lists the different levels of articles. Hope this helps, if it doesn't, please feel free to ask further! Puddleglum^2.0 04:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Puddleglum2.0, thank you for your response, I’m aware that grading depends on both quality and depth of the article (much like a well researched essay), and I should have specified as to what I was asking? so apologies. I have contributed and written a number of articles (such as Volos railway station however its ‘grading’ or ‘level’ is still Listed a ‘unknown’, not even listed as a ‘Stub’ so my question is how can this be raised, who decides and what steps can I take to improve the article... Than you for you time  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 15:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Not a stupid question at all The Emperor of Byzantium! I would say you should reach out to relevant WikiProjects for that article (in this case, Wikiproject Greece and Wikiproject Trains). Going off the guidelines that Puddleglum2.0 mentioned earlier, it is often in the eye of the beholder. Most editors can tell when an article is a stub, but anything more than that is another story. When I accept articles at WP:AfC, I nearly always mark them as Start-class. I'll take a look at Volos railway station and see if I can figure out where it would fall. Bkissin (talk) 19:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Bkissin, honest feedback is what I live for, so I’m grateful for any insights you or other admins can offer! and thank you for taking the time to respond  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 01:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Bible citations

I noticed in many Biblical articles, there is an inconsistency in citing Bible references - sometimes linking to Wikisource and sometimes to the Bible Gateway website. Is there a preference for one or the other? Each source seems equally reliable. 21:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skelta (talk • contribs)

Hi Skelta - I'd ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bible. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Oops, I put five tildes Skelta (talk) 05:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a box on the right of a page?

Something like what appears on this user's page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iry-Hor

Edit: I didn't realize that coding with the brackets would send a mention to the user. So if this edit doesn't override that mention, really sorry Iry-Hor!

—Purplemoonsong (talk) 15:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Purplemoonsong. Those are called Userboxes. Please see WP:Userboxes. (I don't think you can un-ping a user by a subsequent edit!) --ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Purplemoonsong: I don't think inserting a url to another editor's page is going to cause a notification to be sent to them. One little trick to answer any question like this is simply to click 'edit source' on the relevant users page end to explore the so-called 'wikimarkup'. You can even copy bits of it to your own sandbox and experiment there. Just so long as you don't actually change anything on the original page the person will be none the wiser. It's a good way to learn how WP:Source Editor uses that markup to make things work around here. All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)  

Nick Moyes, Purplemoonsong first put a Wikilink in, and then edited to a URL in order to try to undo the ping. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, silly me. Didn't realise. Not to worry. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Purplemoonsong I got ping, here I am ! One way you can start fairly easily is to click on "edit" when you are on my user page, so you will see all the wiki source code for the userboxes. Copy this and paste it in your userpage, then modify the code until the result is what you wanted. This is how I did mine, it is simpler than writing everything from scratch as you will quickly understand what bit does what in the code.Iry-Hor (talk)

@Purplemoonsong: - grabbing markup from someone else's might actually be the more normal way to add the more complex bits to a userpage. I, for example, meta-stole this: Nosebagbear (talk) 09:51, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

This user likes to steal wikimarkup code for use on their own userpage.

(spacing fix)

So about protection?

So what are the 5 most commonly used protection types from 1-5. I think 1 is semi and I am autoconfirmed with 50+ edits and with 5 days — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gale5050 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

See Protection Policy. There are semi-protection, Extended-Confirmed Protection, full protection, and a variety of other types of specialized protection. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Gale5050, compared to pending changes and semi protection, all the other protection types are usually very rare, as they only apply to very specific cases. Extended confirmed (500 edits over 30 days), probably the third most common protection type, only impacts 0.0039% of our pages. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 09:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gale5050: Perhaps you can share with us the reason for your question? Are you wanting to request protection for an article or trying to edit a protected article? If so, it doesn't matter what is most commonly used – it's about what is appropriate for each (rare) situation. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 11:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Gale5050 - What account name did you previously edit using? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

User: Robert McClenon - I used to be an IP account, but there was a rangeblock including me. When the IP switched, I created Gale5050 to stop rangeblocks Gale5050 (talk) 15:53, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Anaplastic oligodendroglioma

Could you accept this article "Draft:Anaplastic oligodendroglioma"? It was checked yesterday by User:Ozzie10aaaa who is a medicine person. Wname1 (talk) 16:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Anaplastic oligodendroglioma was submitted 13 February. It is therefore in the pile of >4,000 drafts awaiting review. The purpose of Teahouse volunteers is to answer editor questions, not serve as reviewers. David notMD (talk) 16:23, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay. Wname1 (talk) 16:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

How do I fix the problems in the page?

Hello. I have created an article about an author. However, the page has multiple issues. How can I fix those issues? I also want to add the author's photo and books images so how and where can I upload? Please tell me. Snehashis321 (talk) 07:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Snehashis321: Courtesy link to Sabarna Roy. Reading the alerts, it seems you should proofread the article for odd English that may be inappropriate on here and to have more verifiable sources. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 08:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you but how do I add photos in the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snehashis321 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Snehashis32, and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you confirm that the images you have of the person are ones that you have personally taken and therefore that you own the copyright of them yourself? Images you have taken from the internet are not acceptable to upload to Wikipedia, unless the website has already clearly licenced their images under a free, commercial use licence. (The absence of any clear Creative Commons licence means they will be copyright.) It seem unlikely to me that you would either need to upload a book cover for this person, or that you would have the copyright authority so to do. I suggest you focus on the person's image first. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:51, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much sir for the kind help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snehashis321 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Creating page for social influencer

I would like to start a new page for social influencer YangonThu Michelle. I've many sources of news article both in English and Myanmar version. I can leave below for reference. But, I don't know how to create the page, how to write and how to make more presentable format. Please can someone help to do. I'm appreciate for it.

Myanmar Times https://www.mmtimes.com/news/whats-yangon-thu.html

Myanmar Pride Awards Nominees https://myanmarsprideawards.com/en/category9-nominee4/

Live the dream Myanmar https://www.livethedreammyanmar.com/michelle-blogger/

Coconuts TV https://coconuts.co/yangon/lifestyle/video-100-years-myanmar-fashion/

Myanmar Top Influencer 2019 https://www.sayar.com.mm/whats-new/knowledge/item/2051-myanmar-ifluencer.html

Frontier Myanmar https://frontiermyanmar.net/en/from-victims-to-opponents

Irrawaddy News https://www.irrawaddy.com/specials/women/a-fighter-in-heels.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyiminsan (talk • contribs) 16:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nyiminsan: Follow the guidance and steps at WP:YFA to create a draft article. If you are connected to this person, you need to follow the steps at WP:COI and WP:PAID regarding disclosing it. RudolfRed (talk) 16:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Question about linking pages...

Hi, I am the writer, Josh Senter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Senter) and I would like to know how to link my named credit for the movie THE THING ABOUT HARRY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_About_Harry) to my aforementioned wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.174.37.198 (talk) 18:55, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

DONE. Where your name appears in the first paragraph, I made it a Wikilink be enclosing in double brackets. Also linked Peter Paige. David notMD (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

How do I fix a broken link in a citation?

I am updating some old links and information in an article about a publication I work for. One of the citations directs to an old URL and delivers a page error. I'd like to update the URL to the be the correct page. When I go in to edit, I don't see text for this section of the page the way I do for the other sections. How can I edit the citation? TIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JenKahnBTM (talk • contribs) 15:25, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

JenKahnBTM, using the visual editor, hovering over the citation number as it appears in the text will give the full citation details. There is a button in the top right of this window to edit the citation. Then simply update the url field. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 15:47, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@JenKahnBTM: Before editing the article of a company you work for, please review Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure policy and make the required disclosures. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:58, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble thank you.

DRM310 thank you - I am new here and just figuring this all out. Have read through the paid posting guidelines and am working on getting compliant. To clarify, I am not specifically employed to manage Wikipedia postings, we noticed some errors and I want to fix them (and yes I'm employed by the company, just not specifically to do this). This still applies to me, yes? Thanks again. JenKahnBTM (talk

@JenKahnBTM: Note that it's not always (or even often) correct to update a stale URL in a citation. It's assumed that the citation was valid when it was created, and that it verified whatever information it followed, so you want to try to preserve the link to that original content if possible. Most such citations are archived by archive.org soon after they are added, so the correct way to recover a dead cite is to add the |archive-url= and |archive-date= parameters for that archive to the cite. This can be done easily by dropping the URL into the search box at www.archive.org, selecting the latest archive that is before the |access-date= in the cite (or the first one after it, if no earlier one exists), and then copying the URL and date to the new parms in the cite (see WP:DEADREF, though note that suggested step 2 applies mainly to news articles, not undated content). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:20, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

E-Mail account

Hello,

how can I leave an E-Mail account, so that interested readers of my wikipedia contributions can contact me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creteexpert (talk • contribs) 19:08, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Click on Preferences at the top of any page, then scroll down to the Email Options section. - X201 (talk) 19:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

How to reference a downloadable PDF

I am editing the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport in the UK page, as one that is marked as needing more links. I have found a reference that confirms the date that their Royal Charter was awarded on an external site, but the information is given in a table embedded in a PDF on the Privy Council page(!). Is there a correct way to reference that information?

Links are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartered_Institute_of_Logistics_and_Transport_in_the_UK Downloadable file is given here: https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/royal-charters/list-of-charters-granted/ Download link looks like this: https://mk0privycouncilpmjhh.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Lists-of-Charters-Granted.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usingspoons31 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Usingspoons31: I'd just use the {{cite web}} template, with the PDF's URL. You can modify the URL to go to a particular page Wikipedia:Citing sources#Linking to pages in PDF files. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:40, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Usingspoons31: I would also include the parameter format=PDF, which will display a PDF icon alongside the citation. This gives further emphasis that the link is to a PDF file instead of a regular HTML page (see Template:Cite web#Using "format="). --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both for your help! Link added to the page now. Usingspoons31 (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Strange Padding in InfoboxImage

Hello Wikifriends,

I am having trouble finding a solution to the page Carl Leblanc. The Infobox Image has some strange padding that makes the infobox larger than necessary.

Can someone give me a hand?

Thanks,

Coslouisiana (talk) 21:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC) Coslouisiana

Courtesy link: Carl LeBlanc.   Maproom (talk) 21:52, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything wrong with the image. It's the long URL given as his website that's making the infobox wide. And as that isn't his website but an archive of it, it might be best to replace it by the URL in the "External links" section. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I moved the website to the "External links" section. Regards, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 22:00, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

An informational error exists on the Creatine page

Dear Wikipedia,

My company, Royal Knight Incorporated, has been involved in researching the history of marketable creatine. We have evidence that the company listed on the - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine - page DID NOT produce the first marketable creatine. The following statement:

"...creatine supplements designed for strength enhancement were not commercially available until 1993 when a company called Experimental and Applied Sciences (EAS) introduced the compound to the sports nutrition market under the name Phosphagen."

this is wrong. We wish to replace the text with the research material we have as follows.

Specific changes to an article are best discussed on the article's talk page

Synthetic creatine – a very brief marketing history It is doubtful that creatine would have ever reached the shelves as a performance-enhancing supplement if it had not been for the initial post-Olympic announcement, followed by the news of other successful creatine using top athletes. Around that time, clinical studies, focusing on creatine and muscle performance, began appearing. Soon, more athletes were seeking a commercial source of creatine for their own performance enhancement. Despite over 100 years of research into creatine and its potential for physiological improvement, it was not until 1992 that a commercial interest in synthesizing creatine for the world market was seriously considered. In that year, Dr. Jeff Golini (All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corporation), had already been reviewing the creatine research, as it pertained to the skeletal muscle. By 1993, Dr. Golini was approached to produce a creatine monohydrate product for marketing. With the aid of an Illinois synthesizing laboratory, the first official creatine supplement for performance enhancement, was released under the label ‘All American Nutrition’ followed by a private label brand known as ‘Cal Pharm’ in 1993, followed by ‘Marathon Nutrition’ early in 1994. In 1993, the June-July issue of a relatively new athletic and fitness-focused magazine, Muscle Media 2000 (owner, Bill Phillips, publication life:1992-2004) featured the first article about where to find creatine, manufactured as an athletic supplement. “At this time, creatine supplements are few and far between. If you can’t find creatine in your area, I am aware that it is available through a company called Cal Pharm…” By the next and subsequent issues, other manufacturers such as Experimental and Applied Sciences (EAS) with their creatine supplement, under the name Phosphagen, joining the slowly swelling ranks of suppliers with their versions of creatine. " This is the correct information. Here is the initial first-to-market creatine label from All American Pharmaceutical printed and distributed in 1993: <gallery> <gallery> Example.jpg|Caption1 </gallery> </gallery>

--— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.214.50 (talk) 01:37, 28 February 2020 (UTC)‎

If you have a source for this information, please provide it on the article's talk page and discuss. Your image didn't come through - you have to upload it using the upload wizard on the left. And please review WP:COI just in case. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Looking for the right terminology for a city district.

I noticed a consolidated city/county page where a few of the communities in the city are listed as unincorporated communities. Since, by definition, these aren't unincorporated areas, I'm looking for a good name for them. They are formerly rural, now suburban areas with a mix of residential and commercial, too large to be called a neighborhood, too rural to be called a district. I settled on Suburban Community, but am looking for better suggestions. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeachProf (talk • contribs) 00:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, BeachProf. Welcome to the Teahouse. Please remember to sign your messages by typing four tildes at the end. This automatically adds your username, a link to your talkpage and a timestamp. Thanks. The place to have this discussion would be the talk page of the article at hand. And the biggest influence would be what the sources say. If it's a former unincorporated place now in a city, wouldn't it be a neighborhood? I can think of at least one community where that has been contentious though. The best suggestion would be WP:BEBOLD, followed up with WP:BRD. In less technical terms, make your change, and if you're reverted, don't replace it, but instead discuss it on the article talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @BeachProf: Like most things here, you should use the terminology used by the cited sources. If it's inconsistent, investigate what the particular containing subdivision officially calls it (e.g., it might be called a "town" by the enclosing "parish" in Louisiana). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:46, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Legija1863

Hello — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEGIJA1863 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Greetings.

-Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 21:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

LEGIJA1863 is WP:NOTHERE - just a series of disruptive edits on talk pages. Has already been warned twice. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 03:16, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Where can I ask for responses to a deserted talk page discussion?

When it comes to stub pages of low importance, there are barely any editors that have a page on their watchlist. In the case of ZombsRoyale.io, an editor suggested the deletion of a section that didn't fit Wikipedia's quality standards. I wanted to delete the section entirely already, since its contents were not notable, but since there are many frequent (although mostly promotional) edits to it, and since I haven't found a specific guideline regarding the inclusion of content creators on articles, I've decided to wait for responses on the talk page of the article.

However, only I and another editor have responded, and before removing the section, I wanted to reach a clear consensus that wasn't just from two users. I'm very new to the bureaucratic processes of Wikipedia, so I wanted to get this right on the first time.

So my question expounded is: Where can I ask for comments from other editors such that we can achieve a consensus regarding a change in the article? Regards, Chlod (say hi!) 03:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Chlod. It might not be what you are comfortable with, but the generally accepted way to go about changing an article is WP:BRD. If I were in your position, I'd just BOLDly change the article and then if reverted, discuss. If you are really insistent on gaining consesus prior to change, you can leave notices on the talk pages of the projects that follow the article. That's one of the next steps in dispute resolution after discussion. But again, there's really no need to do that; just make the change. John from Idegon (talk) 04:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you very much, John! Chlod (say hi!) 04:33, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Chlod. If you feel that you will actually be improving the article by removing the concerned content, then you can be WP:BOLD as do so. Before you do that, however, you might want to scan the page's history just to see if the content had been previously removed and then subsequently re-added. If, by chance, you find that to be the case, then perhaps the editors involved left an edit summary explaining why which would at least give you something to self-assess. If the reason for the re-adding seems policy/guideline base, then perhaps that would be a good person to WP:PING and discuss things with; on the other hand, if the re-addition just appears to be random or there's no real reason given for it, then maybe being BOLD would be the way to go. On Wikipedia there are sort of WP:NODEADLINES, but this also doesn't mean you have to wait an excessive amount of time to be BOLD if you think doing so will definitely improve the article. If someone else disagrees and reverts the changes you make, then you can engage in discussion; if nobody says anything, then you can probably assume the changes were OK per WP:SILENCE. As long as you're editing in good-faith, you should be fine. If you really want a second opinion and nobody has responded to your talk page posts, sometimes you can find assistance at a relevant WikiProject. Just scroll to the top of the article's talk page and look for any WikiProject banners; you can then post a Template:Please see or short message on the WikiProject's talk page to inform its members of the ongoing discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Alright. I'll take this into mind. Thank you for your response, Marchjuly! Greatly appreciated. Chlod (say hi!) 05:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Blocked and I don't know why

Hi,

I did the 10 edits that is required and my account was activated. However, when I went to publish an article it says that I've been blocked. I have no clue why? Please help. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rleighty855 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Rleighty855, firstly, you are not blocked. There are two elements to the autoconfirmed permission: 10 edits, and 4 days. You have the edits, but not the time yet.

You can submit articles thorugh wp:Articles for Creation if you aren't autoconfirmed, and we strongly recomend new users do this even if they don't have to.

~~ Alex Noble - talk 18:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I submitted the article using the link you posted. They replied quicker than I thought. They said there were some issues with my references. I've tried to edit it multiple times. I can't seem to get the references right. If I post them on here could you point out what I'm doing wrong? Thank you again! I'm new to this. Rleighty855 (talk) 06:12, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Post any suggestions for that page on its WP:Talk page. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Perfect World edits

Somebody reverted my edits to Perfect World. Sorry if I'm wrong, but I think it's actually unfair, because I added links to completely legal official sites. If that's only formatting problem or something, please, improve my edits. Clarity1997 (talk) 14:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Clarity1997. People making bold edits, and other people reverting them, is how Wikipedia works: please see BRD. It can be dispiriting, but our purpose is creating the best encyclopaedia we can, not winning some contest. As you'll see there, when somebody reverts your edit, the thing to do is to engage with that person and try to reach agreement, not to come and ask other people about it at the Teahouse. (And not just to reapply your edit! That's called edit warring). I agree that The Anome could have given you an explanation when they reverted you, but Eik Corell did leave an edit summary. --ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, in my edit summary I linked WP:NONENGEL. You can click that and it will take you to a specific part of Wikipedia's guidelines on external links, specifically a part that deals with the addition of non-English language links in articles. The simple version is that when a game has an official English-language website, there's generally no reason to include other non-English official links given that this is the English Wikipedia. Eik Corell (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the explanation. Clarity1997 (talk) 06:55, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

First submission rejected; Revised submission has been pending for 3 months

Hello,

I submitted my first draft in May 2019 and it was rejected in July 2019. I revised my submission in November 2019, based on Wikipedia feedback (from initial rejection and from my inquiry with the helpdesk), specifically that content under the "Awards" section did not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. I added the proper citations where possible and deleted any award, fellowship, etc. that I could not track to its original source. My revision has been pending for over three months. Given that the revisions were relatively minor, I am wondering why the review process is taking so long. Is there a way to expedite the review of my revised page?

Name of page: Dahlma Llanos-Figueora; URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dahlma_Llanos-Figueroa

Any help or feedback is much appreciated. Thank you for your time.

SoniaNoelia (talk) 03:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

SoniaNoelia There are thousands of drafts awaiting review, and reviews are conducted by volunteers in no particular order. The volunteers do what they can when they can, so you wil need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

category

how to add category of a wikipedia oage like this is artist page, internet based company etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward5050 (talk • contribs) 08:13, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

If you're talking about Draft:Prashant Basista, we don't add categories to draft articles. Concentrate on getting the content of the article right first. - X201 (talk) 08:46, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, Edward5050. Worrying about categories at this point is like worrying about connecting your house to utilities before you've even built the foundations: you'll need to do it eventually, but that comes later. At this stage, even before you build the house, you need to build the foundations; i.e. find some independent reliable sources about him. Two of the references in the draft are obviously based on the same press release, and so are not independent of Basista. The Youthistaan is a little different from the others, but it still has the feel of being based on a press release or interview. In an article on Basista, Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that Basista or his team have said: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with him have chosen to publish about him. If there isn't enough such independent material then he is not yet WP:notable in the way that Wikipedia uses the word, and no article on him will be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 10:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Article for review

Hi, I wanted to create a page for Mervin Garretson, but found a draft pending review here: Draft: Mervin D. Garretson. It looks like a good, well-referenced article. Can an experienced editor with review privileges take a look? Thanks. FelixtheNomad (talk) 15:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)  Done Robert McClenon (talk) 15:29, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Struggling to get entry published

I'm trying to get an entry to a company published and I've had the response that it violates wikipedia's policies on copyrighted material, but I don't actually understand this reason given my content. Can you advise? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Shrager (talk • contribs) 15:32, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sam Shrager, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are two separate things going on at Draft:BCB Group. One is that Sulfurboy declined the draft because it failed to establish that the company is notable. Secondly, Praxidicae removed material which wascopied from elsewhere, and so was a copyright violation. (Material published nearly anywhere is automatically copyright in a way incompatible with Wikipedia's requirement, unless the copyright holder has explicitly released it under a suitable licence).

Thank you for declaring your COI; but according to your User Talk page, you work for BCB, so you must declare your status as a paid editor.

One thing you need to realise is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything said or published by BCB Group or its associates: an article about it must be almost entirely based on what people wholly unconnected with BCB, and not prompted by BCB, have chosen to publish about BCB. This is one of the reasons why editing with a COI is so hard: you're essentially going to have to forget everything you know about BCB, and start again based only on what those independent sources say. --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

How to reference sources in a foreign language?

Hello, Sources in a foreign language? Writing about Catrinel Sandu, a Romanian celebrity. Many of the sources (Online magazine articles) are in the Romanian language. How should this be handled / referenced? Also, to use them as direct quotes, accepted practice to translate? Thanks, steve schroeter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ufdent98 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ufdent98: WP:NONENG covers this exact question you have. You can quote it normally, but leave a footnote as to what the translation is. If there is an equally relevant English variant your source may get replaced. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 17:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Questions to Long Time Editors

• What do you like most about being a Wikipedia Editor?
• How long have you been working as an editor?
• What qualities does a newbie need to possess in order to establish a long-term career as a Wikipedia Editor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambarrion (talk • contribs) 11:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Kudos for working through The Wikipedia Adventure. I recommend editing what you know. Look for articles where your profession or hobby has made you knowledgeable. P.S. 'Sign' your comments here and on Talk pages by typing four of ~. David notMD (talk) 14:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ambarrion: If you would like to know my perspective on why I edit Wikipedia, I edit because I enjoy it. I enjoy putting new information online and making sure every article is picture perfect. I also like helping others whether it's here at the Teahouse or on their user page. I registered this account in 2011, but I started editing here in 2013 until I got blocked from editing shortly after I started editing. I got unblocked in 2019 and it has been over a year since then. The qualities I think a newbie should possess are that they should be honest. I believe it is important that we tell the truth about our actions here. This increases community trust because if we lied about our actions, the community may lose their trust. This is why another important quality newbies should have is that they should be trustworthy. I also believe they should be understanding. Sometimes newbies get frustrated when creating an article that it gets deleted shortly after. This is why they should probably not create an article once they have sufficient experience editing other articles. I hope this response gives you insight in what you're looking for. I hope my response helps a lot ans answers your question. If you need additional help and support, come by the Teahouse. You are also welcome to come to my talk page. I will help you if needed. Interstellarity (talk) 17:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Long-term career as a Wikipedia Editor: Once you have created an article try and be detached about it. Others will edit your work and you may not like what they do or say. It is the way of the Wiki. Breath deeply and move on to the next article. Sidpickle (talk) 17:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Films Shot In Chicago

Can someoene please add the film 'Rapid Fire' to the list, starring Brandon Lee. This film was partially filmed in Chicago. I tried but can't quite understand how. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HughMD (talk • contribs) 06:20, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi HughMD. Although Rapid Fire (1992 film) appears to be set in Chicago, there's nothing in its Wikipedia article that states it was shot in Chicago. There are lots of films set in a major city like New York, etc. which are never actually shot in said city. Sometimes some footage may be shot in the city for background purposes, but the majority of the filming actually takes place somewhere else. There doesn't appear to be an article titled "Films shot in Chicago" and you have no record of any edits to Wikipedia other than your post here; so, I'm not sure what page you're trying to edit. Perhaps you're refering to the Wikipedia category page Category:Films shot in Chicago? Please note, however, that Rapid Fire as already categorized a a Category:Films set in Chicago, which might have something to do with what I posted above about "shot in a city" and "set in a city". Anyway, you might try asking about this at WT:FILM since that's where you're likely going to find editors who work on articles about films. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:27, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, HughMD. This doesn't answer your question but if you're editing in this area, you'll need to know this: we do not consider IMDb to be a reliable source. John from Idegon (talk) 18:04, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Caption and Alt-text

For some reason the caption and alt-text parameters of an infobox are producing odd output at Nettie Lee Benson. The caption does not look right and the alt-text displays as a caption, which it's not supposed to do. I only having a problem with this article. Thanks, Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 15:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The alt and caption fields are empty. Bit puzzled how to progress any further. - X201 (talk) 15:47, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong librarian. It's Llerena Friend. Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 17:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed It was the thumb in the image size parameter. - X201 (talk) 19:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Confused about links and paid contribution posts

I am very confused about this. I am trying to edit a post for a publication I work for, because the ownership company was pointing to the wrong place (we do not have a Wikipedia article for our company, and it was pointing to an old parent company that no longer exists). I read the documentation about outside links and it seemed that pointing the name of the company to the company's website would be appropriate. I made the change, and now have a comment on my user page that it was not an acceptable choice. I am going to simply remove/break the link until we have a company page set up. Here is where I need help: 1. What did I misunderstand about outside linking? Why was this not appropriate? It is not a marketing or sales website. 2. I am not sure how to reply to comments within Teahouse or on my user page in order to discuss - please help. 3. Am I correct that disclosing that I am compensated for editing these articles on my user page is enough, or do I also need to comment in each edit that I make using the tags? Thanks in advance, I am completely new to doing this. JenKahnBTM (talk) 18:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@JenKahnBTM: You can reply to users using the {{U}}, {{Reply}}, or {{Ping}} templates to notify them.

Please indent your replies so that conversations are easier to keep track of.

Like ThatMontrealIP explained on your talk page, editors should not edit articles that they have a conflict of interest in, other than to make very minor factual changes supported by sources (ThatMontrealIP). If the wiki link to the company is incorrect, mention it on the article's talk page. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 19:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

P.S. If you have additions/corrections you want to make, you can put those on the article's talk page and give the appropriate sources so that someone else can make those changes to the article. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 19:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link. Furniture Today TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The article I created was deleted

I created an article about a band and it was requested for speedy deletion due to A7. A7 states that there isnt a sentence in my article that states why the article is needed and they used the example "John Doe is the State President of...". My article started with the sentence "Pilgrim is an American Doom metal band". I was wondering if there was another reason for my article being deleted and if it could be returned ----DohRitow0804

@DohRitow0804: You should communicate with the person who nominated it for deletion on their talk page if you're unsure as to what the reason is. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 21:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

You also created Corpo-Mente as an article about a band, with no references, so that one will also be subject to deletion, speedy or otherwise, unless you can provide references conveying music-notability. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

DohRitow0804: please read about notability. Wikipedia only accepts articles about notable subjects. WP:A7 talks about an article that "that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". Existing does not make something important or significant. --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Article Creation Submission - How to know if officially submitted?

I think I submitted an article for creation today. But there's no notification until one is approved or declined, so I don't know if it was officially submitted, i.e. - did my submission successfully go through to the right place/reviewers? Each time I go through this process I am unsure. Any feedback appreciated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tina Rosco (talk • contribs) 22:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tina Rosco. No, you have not yet submitted Draft:Allegheny International Services for review. I have added a submission box to the top, so that you can do so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, Many thanks, this helped. TinaRosco

Question on images

If an admin has deleted an image, is it gone from wikipedia or can it be restored? Govvy (talk) 10:12, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Govvy, de facto, everything deleted is kept, but only viewable to admins. This allows for deletion reviews and other such processes. See Wikipedia:Viewing and restoring deleted pages. Technically, the WMF don't guarantee the deleted articles are kept indefinitely, but in practice they are. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 10:33, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

This means that if you want a page undeleted, you go either to wp:refund, if there was no discussion, or to wp:deletion review if it was the result of a discussion, and you think the discussion was improperly closed. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 10:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The admin that deleted the images is in South Korea I think, probably gone to bed, I asked for the images to be restored, should I wait to get a response before using that page? Govvy (talk) 10:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Govvy, Yes. Especially if something has been recently deleted, I'd recommend asking the deleting admin if possible. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 10:40, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

hmm, k, after reviewing the talk page history of the admin that deleted the images, well, Eight-ball might say "Outcome not so good!" Govvy (talk) 10:47, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Govvy: Accusing an experienced administrator, particularly one quite experienced in non-free content use and other types of files, of trashing pages is not really the best way to try and approach this. Non-free content use, in particular, can be quite tricky since there are ten criteria which need to be met each time a non-free file is used and even not satisfying a single one means the use is non-policy compliant. When there are disagreements over this, it's better to sort them out through civil discussion than through accusations because it could be the case the the administrator/other editor actually did the correct thing. Non-free logos are generally allowed when used for primary identification purposed at the top of or in the main infobox of stand-alone articles about the subjects they represent, but other types of uses or uses in other articles tend to be much harder to justify. Moreover, even though there is nothing that states a non-free file can only be used once, relevant Wikipedia policy requires us to try and minimize non-free use as much as we can and use free equivalents or alternative presentations instead. Since a single use of a non-free file is already considered to be rather an exceptional case, any additional uses of the same file tend to need even a stronger justification. I understand being frustrated like you seem to be here, but try and assume good faith in that other editors are here just like you doing what they think helps improve/maintain Wikipedia. I'm not an administrator so I can't see the actual files deleted, but in general non-free content is not really allowed to be displayed in galleries and non-free former logos tend to be much harder to justify. If you think a mistake was made in these cases, then perhaps it would be better to explain why in specific terms of policy and guidelines to the administrator who deleted the file.

Finally, as explained in WP:NFC#Background, Wikipedia's non-free content use policy has been intentionally set up to be more restrictive than perhaps the actual copyright laws of certain countries; Wikipedia can do this because it's the Wikimedia Foundation, not these other countries, that owns and operates Wikipedia so to speak. If you feel that a relevant Wikipedia's policy is too restrictive, then you can discuss things or propose changes to it on its corresponding talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:11, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: heh, didn't think my analogy would offend so much, and what you point too, also states unless the historical logo itself is described in the context of critical commentary about that historical logo. Which both of the images which got deleted were. Yet they got deleted anyway, I think there are been some strange attack on the WP:FOOTBALL project and a certain number of Wikipedians have gone about this destructive process. At the heart of the problem is an extreme lack of communication and clarification. I've will trash any admin who isn't up to scatch. And I know a few admins who I don't think should have the honour. My question on images was a simple one to ask and it got answered by Alex, so go get smacked by a fish thanks. Govvy (talk) 00:29, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Fox and MSNBC News

Why is Fox News referred to as a conservatives news service yet MSNBC is. It referred to as a liberal news service? Wikipedia is suppose to be unbiased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.20.154.215 (talk) 21:14, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The word "conservative" at the beginning of Fox News is cited to two different sources. If you have reliable sources that say otherwise, please discuss it on the article's talk page - but take time to read through the lengthy discussions that have already taken place there, most recently at Talk:Fox News#How Many Times Does It Need To Be Said..?.

I don't find the word "liberal" in either MSNBC or NBC News. Which article are you talking about? --ColinFine (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: The word liberal appears at least 9 times at MSNBC, including "The website did not adopt the network's increasingly liberal viewpoints [...]" RudolfRed (talk) 23:47, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

To the OP: if you have suggestions for improving an article, you can start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Seems like the answer depends on the meaning of MSNBC is. It referred. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

To the OP, it is actually a common misconception that Wikipedia is "supposed to be unbiased". Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias; Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. The sources are presented to readers for them to view, evaluate, and judge for themselves as to any slant they might have. 331dot (talk) 01:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

SE3-29X Question 1

I'm not really sure how to make the Infoboxes. Can you tell me how? THX — Preceding unsigned comment added by SE3-29X (talk • contribs) 22:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi SE3-29X, Infoboxes are generated by templates. An explanation of infoboxes and some instruction: [5]. Here is a list of infobox templates: [6]. Is there a particular article you are thinking of? Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 22:29, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@SE3-29X: As with most Wikipedia things, the easiest way to learn how to code a particular feature is to look at an existing example. Find an article similar to the one you are working on, containing the desired type of infobox, and edit it (with Source Editor) to see the code for it. Copy and paste the code to your article, modifying the relevant values. When you preview the result, at the bottom of the page is a list of templates used, so you can follow the link for the infobox template (in a new window) to see its documentation. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:01, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Category not in order

Category:African-American people is pretty chaotic and unsightly. Could soneone clean it up? I don't know how. Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 02:01, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

As in there is too many pages in it? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: I don't see what you mean. Perhaps discuss it at Category talk:African-American people? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:09, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: Could you explain what you mean by "chaotic and unsightly"? Pages are being sorted alphabetically by last name and the sub-categories seem to be fine. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 02:11, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Look again at the subcategories, they're a mess. Not in order. deisenbe (talk) 02:12, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: It appears to be because of sortkeys (I learned a new thing today!) used in the sub-categories, which means they were categorised as such intentionally. I would ask around on the category's talk page to learn what the scheme is. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 02:24, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Asking about the widespread use of tentative terms "may", "possibly", "could" on pages relating to climate change.

Is it worth my asking about this very complex and contentious topic via the talk pages? I ask because we don't yet have widely accepted theories or models about the many feedback loops that impact on climate change - there is a general consensus that man-made climate change is taking place but the language used in the articles on the topic do seem to be littered (and perhaps this is necessary atm) with what I have described as tentative terms - I wanted to point to this as an area of concern - that where possible the language should be firmed up, if possible. Maybe my opinion on this is already well known and understood by the main contributors - I just wanted to ask the question - is it best to do that on the talk page?

@Zestofalemon: It's best to talk about this on the article(s)' talk pages. It sounds like the sources themselves provide information but are not 100% definite.

Also please sign your comments with ~~~~. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 02:29, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Why

why the fuck my post got removed i fucking spent 10 hours searching, writing, etc i'm fucking mad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enhaced (talk • contribs) 00:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Enhaced, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you were talking about your draft article, it has been rejected because it is contrary to the purpose to Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles must be written from a Neutral point of view, and must pass the Notability guidelines, also they most importantly must cite, reliable sources, This page contains more information on how to write your article. You may also wish to check out The New user tutorial a fun game on how to edit Wikipedia! I am sorry that you are frustrated about your draft being rejected, but note that this is not meant to discourage you from editing Wikipedia. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:49, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

If you mean Draft:MM Corp. it still exists. Rejected is stronger than Declined, so I think there is little chance of you succeeding. However, you can revise the draft and resubmit. You have to remove yourself from the text (No "Before this article ended I forgot to say that at the end of 2019 a final announcement was made. A full version of Sanic Run is probably in development! Well, thanks for reading this article so far, see you later!") Key will be good references. David notMD (talk) 03:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

every melanated person is not African american

some are from the nations of south and central America, some are from the Caribbean,some are from the nations of Kenya, Nigeria, etc.,some are from the Asian nations and north east Africa/the arabian peninsula. everyone is not African American. also the indigenous melanated people of turtle island are not African. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:E930:6720:256D:2D9:C92C:DC0C (talk) 05:37, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

This is a discussion page for people to get help editing or using Wikipedia. Can we help you with that? If your statement is about a problem you see with the language of a particular article, you should discuss it at that article's talk page, e.g., the talk page for African Americans is Talk:African Americans. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

up load 17th and 18th century maps?

These maps are my area of expertise. If they are intact, and nothing added to original content, can I just use them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carl J. Weber (talk • contribs) 04:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Carl J. Weber, yes. Practically everything created before the 20th century is public domain due to age, hence can be used for any purpose. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Referring to a section in the same article

Can someone please advise, or direct me towards the relevant guidance:

Can you add 'see below', or 'see above', like you would in a book, if you're making a fleeting reference to a topic that has its own section in the article? Do you have to add a link?

Thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 12:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Maryanne Cunningham: Yes, it's possible. You would need to create a wikilink (double brackets) and type the section name in it; before the section name you would add a #, so if I wanted to go to the "How to reference a downloadable PDF" question further up on this page I would do #How to reference a downloadable PDF. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 13:29, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks 🐲 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maryanne Cunningham (talk • contribs) 13:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Adding my name to the list of Officers in the Order Palmes Academiques

Hello! I am trying to add my name to the list of Officers in the Order Palmes Academiques. I thought I did it but it hasn't shown up. Clearly I did something wrong. Can someone tell me how to do it correctly? Thank you. Boghetti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boghetti (talk • contribs) 15:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Does not work that way, so an editor reverted your attempted addition. How it does work: for each of the names in that Category article there is an existing Wikipedia article. Hence, names appear in blue. Clicking on any one name goes to the article. At the bottom, there is a list of Categories that person is in, including OOPA. For your name to appear requires a Wikipedia article about you. David notMD (talk) 16:05, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Also please note that we discourage subjects of articles from creating articles about themselves. See WP:COI. This is a matter of waiting to see if someone independent of you creates an article, at which point the above category can be added.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

How to create an article on Wikipedia?

I want to write an article on Wikipedia for the first time because how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shyamal Bodosa 1 (talk • contribs)

Hello User:Shyamal Bodosa 1 and welcome to the tea house. If you want to create an article, please make sure to have edited for ten times and that you have been a member of Wikipedia for over 4 days. After you do this, you might want to take a look at the following articles:

1. Help:Your_first_article
2. Wikipedia:Contributing_to_Wikipedia
3. Wikipedia:Article_wizard
4. Wikipedia:The_perfect_article

If you have further questions, be sure to comment on my talk page. See you around. Benjamin Borg (talk) 16:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Shyamal Bodosa 1: Whilst not wanting to put you off contributing, do be aware that creating a new article from scratch that gets accepted is the hardest thing anyone can do here, especially for a complete newcomer, like yourself. I think I had edited for nearly a year before felt I had learned enough to be able to manage it. What is essential, is that you find independent, reliable published sources that you can use as the basis of your new article. You mustn't just try to write something based upon your personal knowledge, or on personal blogs or social media. The key thing to remember is that this is an encyclopaedia of Notable things. I see you've created Draft:Thairili, so I assume that will be your intended subject? Feel free to come back to this Teahouse page if you need further help or assistance from us. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)  

Help Needed Fixing Page

This page has been flagged as having multiple issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Nix Lori_Nix

I don't understand what the issues are. Can you provide me some guidance? I added two citations which were needed. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixgerberstudio (talk • contribs) 17:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Nixgerberstudio Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your username suggests that you represent the artist or their studio. You will need to change your username to indicate that an individual is using your account(your real name is not required); please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest to do so. You will also need to review conflict of interest and paid editing as you have some required disclosures to make(most likely).

The issues indicated by the maintenance tags are that the references do not support what it is claimed that they are referencing, and that additional references are needed- those need to be from independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 17:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Username aside, does this mean that the maintenance tags can be removed? Nixgerberstudio (talk) 17:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) :@Nixgerberstudio: You appear to have added quite a few citations today, but usually those tags imply that an important statement about a living person needs a source to allow it to be verified, or that the citation given doesn't actually support the statement that it has been associated with. I do note that a lot of the citations are very poorly constructed, and could certainly be improved. They could include publisher, article title, author, date etc. Some are very minimal, whilst others are just bare urls. I've written some advice that might help you at WP:EASYREFBEGIN.

To answer your subsequent question, providing you've checked each of those citations, then yes, those tags can be removed, though it would be better for a non-involved editor to remove the tags.

However, I must reinforce what 331dot says out that you are, unfortunately, in breach of our policies on WP:USERNAME as it is not only promotional, but also suggest shared use. One can conclude that either your are the artists concerned, or that someone has created an account suggestive that they are the artists. Either way, you will have to cease using this account name, and re-register for a brand new single use account. Having done that, the person who is writing about themselves should declare on their userpage their Conflict of Interest if they are writing about them self or their fellow artist or employer. So, it's not a major crime, but I'm afraid it's probable that one of our admns is going to put what we call a 'soft block' on your account shortly so that you are encouraged to edit under a different account name. I'll certainly wait a while before doing that lest you wish to respond here first with any follow-up questions.

However, I wouldn't bother wasting time asking for an account rename. You've only made four edits thus far. Simply abandon the account, forget the password, and start afresh with a different username if you intend to edit here in future. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:32, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nixgerberstudio, 331dot, and Nick Moyes: I took an interest in this article and cleaned up the sourcing issues (I removed all instances of the dealer being used to confirm anything other than a show, for example). She is highly notable and I had no trouble finding and adding many excellent sources. Nixgerberstudio, the best thing to do here (in addition to changing your username, as requested above) is to leave the page alone and let independent (unrelated to Nix) editors handle things. That is how we maintain a neutral encyclopedia. If you want something changed, use the request edit template described at WP:COI. Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Candidate for U.S. Senate (TX) Trying to Update Info

The Wikipedia page on the 2020 US Senate Elections for Texas does not even mention me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_elections

I am mentioned on the state-specific Wikipedia page though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas

But the main page that has better SEO pretends I don't exist and that I'm not polling in second place as referenced in the state-specific article.

At least reference me. I don't care if they don't add the term "successful entrepreneur" even though I'm only 36 with a net worth of $20 million and came from a poor working class family.

At the very least, Wikipedia can acknowledge I'm a federal candidate.

Praxidicae‬ rejected my edit to reference my existence. And I had added 5 references, which included Forbes, The Hill, and the Dallas Morning News.

Why is Praxidicae‬ not being punished for being openly biased against me and rejecting solid references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnacastro2022 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Johnacastro2022. You are editing with a conflict of interest: please don't do this. Instead, post an WP:Edit request on the talk page of the article, and an uninvolved editor can decide what to do with your suggestion. Wikipedia is not interested in enhancing your (or anybody's) SEO. --ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:Edit request

John Anthony Castro is a Republican candidate for United States Senate in Texas. However, he is not referenced on this page in the Texas section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_elections

REFERENCES 1. https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00728097/1364445/ 2. https://ballotpedia.org/John_Castro 3. https://www.wbap.com/2020/02/25/chris-salcedo-show-us-senate-race-john-anthony-castro-running-against-cornyn/ 4. https://www.uhclthesignal.com/wordpress/2020/01/23/qa-texas-primary-republican-candidates-for-us-senate/

My absence from Wikipedia is making people distrust Wikipedia as a source of accurate information.

Please edit to reference my existence. I'm polling in 2nd Place.

Can you look into this User:ColinFine ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnacastro2022 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, if not the White House, Johnacastro2022. Thank you for raising your concerns, although your ping to ColinFine failed, I'm afraid, though I've just fixed that. You raise an interesting point about reliability, but your absence from Wikipedia is more likely to be because you are not yet deemed a notable person, per our Notability guidelines (see WP:POLITICIAN), which states: "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline". Had you done a word search for your surname, you would have spotted your name in this section. Of course, should you go on to win, someone will no doubt want to see a page about you, written based on Reliable Sources. Best leave that to someone else though, and that excludes people in your campaign team. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC).

Mr. Castro also appears, with polling results, in 2020 United States Senate election in Texas. Deor (talk) 19:54, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Johnacastro2022: I am not sure if you are aware of this, but all edits you make to Wikipedia are logged and publicly available in the edit history. It's up to you, but your two requests here (see other one two items up the page) might not be the greatest idea if you intend to hold public office and so on.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:12, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

You think it's going to hurt me politically that I stated I'm 36 with a net worth of over $20 million? And that I came from a working class family? You're joking, right? Man, you guys are really making me regret my donations to Wikipedia in the past.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnacastro2022 (talk • contribs)

@Johnacastro2022: Thanks for donating, but donations are collected by the Wikimedia Foundation that operates the computers Wikipedia is on, not us editors. 331dot (talk) 19:36, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Are you indeed John Castro, or a representative? 331dot (talk) 19:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Updating even though this is archived. I posted to John's user talk re. this discussion – diff. Pelagic (talk) 06:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Question

If I have direct access to the Ottoman arcives could I use them as sources? (If I upload them to Wikipedia as photographs) Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 11:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

What's the Ottoman archives? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Ottoman Archives? Per WP, seems like a collection of WP:PRIMARY sources. Per that policy, primary sources can be used to some extent, but it's not that easy. It depends on context. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:49, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Also, what are the copyright issues in Turkey? The Commons help desk would probably be a better place to ask. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Rodrigo Valequez:... and/or the help desk at the archives. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:18, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

VisualEditor

The visual editor dissapeared?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.9.218.80 (talk) 20:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

You need to create an account to use it. After you login to your account, see the message at the top of Wikipedia:VisualEditor on how to enable it. RudolfRed (talk) 21:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Unregistered users of the desktop site can write ?veaction=edit in the url as described at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide#First step: enabling VE. If you edit a page normally then it already says ?action=edit so you only have to insert ve. Unregistered users of the mobile site have VisualEditor as an option on a pencil icon to the top right of edit pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to create templates for one's personal use?

I realised that I'm starting to use a certain block of text very often and would like to create a personalised template for it. Is that allowed? I'm thinking of having the template be called something like {{Tenryuu/GOCE talk}}. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 22:16, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Yes, that is OK. RudolfRed (talk) 22:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

That's awesome! Thanks. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 23:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

​I would recommend keeping the template in userspace, under User:Tenryuu/GOCE talk for example (it can be transcluded all the same as {{User:Tenryuu/GOCE talk}}), since that makes it more clear that it is for personal use. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:47, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Þjarkur: Thanks for the heads up: I'll switch the template over sometime later today. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 23:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 23:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Asking template experts for help for signing in a template

I've been getting a template up to working order the past day or so and the only thing I want to finish up with is automatically signing with my signature with a timestamp every single time I call up the template. Everything but that is in perfect working order.

I've been failing at getting the signature code to remain intact on the template page and become substituted once it gets transcluded over to another page. Suggestions I've had include shoving a <noinclude /> into the tildes like so: ~~<noinclude />~~ but it just renders the signature as only 4 tildes when transcluded.

Help is greatly appreciated. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 23:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: You may not be able to sign (automatically) when it is transcluded. See the section at WP:TEMPLATE that starts "If you want the template to leave a time stamp or signature, you can write [...]". I can't get it to quote correctly since it includes noinclude and nowiki tags. My reading of it is that you can't insert a signature automatically on trascluded templates. RudolfRed (talk) 23:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed:  Resolved. Your link was most helpful. Just have to remember to substitute my template each time now. Thanks a lot for that info. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 23:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: It is not possible for a transclusion to produce a signature. You must either add a signature after the transclusion each time you use the template, or use substitution instead of transclusion. If you want the edit to leave a transclusion then it's possible to make two templates where you substitute the first which leaves a transclusion of the other and adds a signature. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks for the heads up. Substituting is a little new to me but it seems to be the most efficient use of my template. Thank you all! --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 00:55, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Your signature is horrible. I clicked on your name and got nowhere. Links from fancy icons worked, but don't impress me. Any chance you could simplify it? Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: It was about time I updated it anyway; the star didn't really fit contributions. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:13, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Brill. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:22, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Linking to counties

A few days ago I edited the Arthur R. M. Spaid page and changed the links of counties to link both the county and the state, whereas before it would just link to the county and not the state. The main editor of that article told me that they had been told that according to other reviewers it was convention to do that, but I can't seem to find it in the WP:MOS. Anyone know more about this? --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 22:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I tend to side with your approach. It's a yankee-centric perspective that assumes everyone on this planet knows the names of every state in the US. Living in the UK, I just about do. I'm sure we've all heard of America, so don't need it wikilinked. But US states seem worthy of linking for their first mention. I'm not sure if there's any specific policy on this, apart from the Principle of least astonishment, meaning that if it isn't wikilinked, you could ask why isn't it wikilinked? Nick Moyes (talk) 01:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: My reason for doing so is just so that it cuts down on the clutter when I open the source editor. :P If there isn't a policy on here that I should be aware of I'll leave them as is. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:26, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Getting out of Wikipedia

How do I remove myself completely from Wikipedia? I no more want to be an editor. I feel unsafe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscien1 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Omniscien1:. You may want to take a look at WP:LEAVE. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 04:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Omniscien1: I'm sorry if something has happened to make you feel unsafe. If you've been threatened, please contact the emergency response team for assistance (see WP:911). The WMF takes all threats seriously, but especially so when they affect minors. You might also see WP:YOUNG. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 05:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors may have something useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:19, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia "Orphan"

What can I do that an article is no longer an "orphan"? Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuenstlerinnen (talk • contribs) 10:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Kuenstlerinnen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. An article is an "orphan" when no other articles have links to it. This makes it more difficult for other readers of articles about related subjects to find it. To remove the "orphan" status from an article, you just need to add links to that article in other, related articles where the subject might come up, directly or indirectly. For example, George Washington is linked to from the President of the United States article and the Mount Vernon articles(among countless others). For a much more detailed explanation of this, you may read the guidelines in this area. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Deep Core Drilling, FH Davis

i'm trying to write an article about this inventor and pioneer of well sinking. most info comes from the internet and is verifiable mainly "google patents" search francis harley davis or fh davis. i am going blind and this is not easy for me. i need all the help i can get. Bruce — Preceding unsigned comment added by FH Davis (talk • contribs) 01:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Your User name should not be the same as the person you are trying to create an article about. Given that you just stated editing a few days ago, the easiest path may be to abandon using that User name and register with a new User name. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Francis Harley Davis needs references. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Using Alternate Fonts

In the article Automobile License Plate Collectors Association I had the headings at the top of the collapsible tables set up with a different font for several years. In December 2019 another editor came along and changed the headings to be the standard Wikipedia font. I changed them back citing WP:TYPESET. This other editor then came back and reverted my edit citing MOS:FONTFAMILY. I believe that this editor is telling me that no alternate fonts are authorized on Wikipedia. Is this really the case?

The alternate font I was using was Georgia, and it is shown in the WP:TYPE list of fonts as one of the core fonts for the web. The information on the WP:TYPE page shows that this font is installed on 99% of all Windows computers.

Thanks! Zcarstvnz (talk) 14:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid WP:FONTFAMILY is quite clear on this: Font families should not be explicitly defined in an article. I see nothing in WP:TYPESET that allows defining alternate fonts (it is a long page so perhaps you could point us to the section you mean? Help:Advanced_text_formatting#Changing_font_faces does not support the use of other fonts in articles, it only says that it is technically possible to display different fonts) and in any case FONTFAMILY is a guideline, unlike TYPESET. --bonadea contributions talk 15:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: The specific portion of WP:TYPESET is section 13 in the table of contents (Changing Font Faces). Zcarstvnz (talk) 17:49, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Zcarstvnz: That section talks about how the font can be changed, but it doesn't say anything about it being OK to use alternate fonts in articles. (Certain other Wikipedia pages, for instance user pages, could have alternate fonts as long as they are accessible – FONTFAMILY talks specifically about article pages.) --bonadea contributions talk 12:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, those tables should not be collapsed: MOS:DONTHIDE. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:13, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Who are Bots?

As a young editor, I don't know who these bots are. Are these real robots or human users of Wikipedia who have such a name? Please reply.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscien1 (talk • contribs)

Omniscien1 Bots are essentially computer programs that perform automated functions on Wikipedia. They are created and monitored by humans. So I am curious, you say you wish to vanish from Wikipedia, but you keep editing. If you want to vanish, why do you still edit? 331dot (talk) 11:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:Omniscien1, welcome to the Teahouse. Bots are accounts that follow specific computer programs created by humans. (Usually administrators.}} Also, (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.). Have a good day, Benjamin Borg (talk) 13:42, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft Article

I’ve written an draft about WikiCrooks, a new type of WikiFauna. Could someone take a moment and review the draft? There aren’t any sources because most of the other WikiFauna also doesn’t have any sources. Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 19:39, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Rodrigo Valequez, I've moved it, mostly because AFC isn't really set up for project space. The general test for being in project space is being related to Wikipedia, and not being harmful. Really, as long as it fits those two, and doesn't completely misrepresent policy or anything, it stays. ~~ Alex Noble  - talk 20:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Rodrigo Valequez, I enjoyed that, but I hate to be pedantic...no, actually, that's not true: I love being pedantic, but I would like make two suggestions if I may - notwithstanding the mispelling of 'arguments'- and the first is that the specific epithet, Crookus, should undoubtedly have a lower case 'c', in commmon with taxonomic convention, such as when a species is named after a real person, such as a Mr. Crook, which I don't believe is the case here, and, secondly, that I would have put their IUCN conservation category as 'Vulnerable', as they are definitely vulnerable when being stalked by SPI clerks, or from being run down and blocked by stampeding admins at WP:AIV. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

All right, I’ll make the changes. Sorry about the spelling mistakes by the way, I couldn’t use my computer and had to write this from a mobile device. Regards, Rodrigo Valequez (talk) 13:57, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to On the page of Dr. Meera chandrasekhar you have mentioned some thing to edit/correct to improve the article.

(Radhatanaya (talk) 07:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC))

regarding Dr. Meera chandrashekhar, I just talked to her to make certain changes, which not able to visiualise. I do not know further

@Radhatanaya: If you wish to make changes to the article, please post to Talk:Meera Chandrasekhar, and describe the changes. You will need to provide reliable published sources – unfortunately, information that Dr. Chandrasekhar has given you in person can not be used in Wikipedia, if it has not also been published by an independent source. If there are clear errors in the page, please point those out clearly so that an uninvolved editor can understand what the problem is. Thank you, --bonadea contributions talk 14:00, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Not yet vanished

Even after following the instructions given in the Wikipedia page 'WP:VANISH', I am not yet vanished out of Wikipedia. I am a bit nervous here. I had also read the pages for young readers (as suggested by a user), but I want to completely leave Wikipedia. Can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscien1 (talk • contribs) 11:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

If you have followed the instructions at WP:VANISH, you should get a reply soon. Requests are processed by volunteers, so you will need to be patient for a reply. I'm sorry that you wish to leave. 331dot (talk) 11:30, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Does any user here knows a quick way to vanish? By the way, many users are asking me questions, so let me answer them first. 1. Why am I editing if I want to vanish? A. The edits I am making are regarding questions users are asking and I am asking. And I want to vanish because I don't want to work with unknown people (that is you users). 2. Why don't I refer the pages like WP:VANISH or Wikipedia:Courtesy Vanishing? A. I have referred and followed the instructions given in these pages and nothing worked. 3. Why don't you wait for sometime? A. It has been past 5 hours since I have deleted my user page and requested for help!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscien1 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

So this is my request to all fellow users if they can suggest me anything regarding my issue. Thank you all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscien1 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Per message on your Talk page, your User page is blanked and you are allowed to delete everything on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 14:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Omniscien1 We can't tell you any more than we have told you. If you have followed the instructions at WP:VANISH properly, you will receive a reply soon. There is no "quick" way to do this. The quickest way for you to stop editing is- to stop editing and abandon your account. You don't need to vanish to do that.

You haven't just edited with regards to your vanishing request- you asked about bots on this very page, which has little to do with asking to vanish.

When you say that you don't want to work with "unknown people"; I assume you mean that you don't want to work with people not using their real names here? Some users do use their real names and identities, but others choose not to for privacy and other personal reasons. That's the case for many places on the internet, not just Wikipedia. Just because someone doesn't use their real name, doesn't mean they aren't a person that you can get to know and work with here. But, that's your decision. 331dot (talk) 14:31, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

creatine page needs editing

I have been doing research into the first to market companies in 1992-1993, and I have evidence that this statement in Wiki is not correct:

"...but creatine supplements designed for strength enhancement were not commercially available until 1993 when a company called Experimental and Applied Sciences (EAS) introduced the compound to the sports nutrition market under the name Phosphagen.[14]"

I have the company's name and permission to reprint the first commercial creatine label in Wiki from a 1993 bottle. How can I edit the creatine page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.214.50 (talk) 06:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Answered on the Help Desk. Please do not post questions in multiple places. --ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Playgendary

Hello, Playgendary has been flagged as having multiple issues. I have already read the associated guidelines and made some changes to the article. I took the Playrix page as an example, and tried to write in a similar way. Can somebody help and check it out please? Thank you. --Dartmessiah (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Dartmessiah Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In examining your draft, the sources offered do not seem to have significant coverage of the company, but just brief mentions or routine announcements of things the company has done or been given. Wikipedia requires independent reliable sources to have significant coverage of the subject itself, not just things they do- and routine announcements do not establish that this company meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company.

I was wondering if you are perhaps associated with or work for this company? If so, there are some required disclosures you must make and some information you should review, please see conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

331dot Hi! I take the most reliable sources, such as official news from Apple and they never cover the entire company, only their products. Analytics platform AppAnnie has a similar policy, but AppAnnie the most accurate analytical platform for mobile game dev. For example, the page of Playrix has sources in Russian language (i can add some of these sources too for this page such as , but I don't think, that in en Wikipedia should be that kind of sources). So if I take Playrix for example as a reliable page of wiki what kind of source i should add? And also no, I'm not associated with the company right now, just realize, that most of the Belarusian international companies not presented in Wikipedia and with this first page try to change that and more of them in near future, such as Say Games and more.--Dartmessiah (talk) 15:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Dartmessiah If reliable sources do not have significant coverage of the company itself, it wouldn't merit an article at this time- even if the products of the company might merit articles. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a directory of businesses; we don't have articles on every possible business that exists in the world, only those that meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable business as shown with significant coverage in independent sources. You'll need to expand on "I'm not associated with the company right now"; have you been in the past? 331dot (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thanks, get it, so i need add some source with significant coverage of the company even in Russian, like Playrix did? Cause i just want to do a similar article that was accepted for another company in Wikipedia. Also i understand that in Wikipedia presented only notable business with enough coverage, but i think that one of the biggest companies in mobile markets meet these requirements cause they have enough coverage. As an example: Pixonic, Say Games, and other companies. In the past, i consulted many companies in the mobile market and right now just trying to do independent news about the mobile market, but it not violated any of the rules from conflict of interest and paid editing.--Dartmessiah (talk) 15:24, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Dartmessiah Beware in citing the existence of other similar articles as a reason for yours to exist; as this is a volunteer project, it is possible for inappropriate articles to go undetected, even for years. Please see WP:OSE. For this reason, each article is judged on its own merits. If you say there is enough coverage in independent sources, feel free to add it- the coverage must be of the company itself and not just its products, routine announcements, or similar. If you haven't already, you may find it helpful to read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thanks for helping in that! Can i ask just one more thing, should i add reliable sources in another language or shoud stick with English ones?Dartmessiah (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Sources do not need to be in English; it helps, but it is not required. Reliable sources only need to be publicly accessible. 331dot (talk) 15:44, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Tombstone Location and Image Contributions for Biography Article of Deceased

I tracked down the burial site for a WWI verteran whose Wiki biography article only listed "New Jersey" as the location. I then took a photo of the tombstone, and uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons.

The grave location is not published, only confirmable by calling the cemetery, who provided a printed "map" listing the approximate grave location.

My edit adding the cemetery to the grave location, with the web site of the cemetery as a reference, was rejected, as was my inclusion of the image- perhaps because of the way I inserted it. My edits were termed 'substandard'

First question: Are the grave location and image both 'original research' and thus do not belong in the article? Second question: should this work result in a published newspaper article, does that change anything as to the eligibility of this information to be added to the article? Curtiscrowell (talk) 16:03, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Curtiscrowell Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your own photograph(for purposes of establishing the location) and description of its location are indeed original research. If a newspaper independently writes about the deceased person and or their grave, that might be acceptable as a source- but not if you are the author of the piece. Is the location of the burial not in the man's obituary? 331dot (talk) 16:07, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Curtiscrowell: I take a very slightly different view from 331dot who answered here. John from Idegon removed your addition to Abraham Krotoshinsky, quite rightly, because it was in the wrong place (the Infobox), and because the caption was not appropriate, nor was the formatting correct. The fact that you've photographed a person's gravestone and included it in the article isn't, per se, an issue as far as I view it. 331dot was quite right to say it wasn't OK to use it for the purposes of locating a grave - that is original research, I agree. But I see little difference between me photographing a living person, or you showing an image of a gravestone of long-dead one (provided the name and dates on the headstone match the references!). However, I don't feel such an image should go into an infobox - just keep it in the main part of the article, please. Indeed, I've done exactly that at Joseph Whittaker, though I took to the talk page to highlight a side issue that - despite lengthy research across two continents over 20 years - I still cannot find a meaning for the initials after this man's name. (It would have been inappropriate to have put that discussion into the article, just as you inserting grave reference numbers are, too, I feel.) My advice it to carefully reinsert the image. Indeed, I think the headstone photo itself is a Reliable Source on his dates of birth/death. Anyone clicking the image would be taken to the Wikimedia Commons where the image states the precise location of the headstone, so a much simpler caption should be used in the article, please. Hope this helps, and it was an interesting biography to read. The only thing I didn't like was the statement "...and, currently, has many descendants." That should go, I feel. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:37, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Just clarifying that I have no problem with the mere use of the photo(as many articles have images of burial sites), only using it to establish location. 331dot (talk) 17:00, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

The article only asserts the State wherein the deceased was buried. The cemetery isn't named in any published sources. Curtiscrowell (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Curtiscrowell: I don't think that matters. You've got a photograph of what is clearly his gravestone, and you've captioned it on Commons, so it's fine to add a caption on wikipedia like "Krotoshinsky memorial headstone at Bronx cemetery". (You'd be amazed how little attention anyone at Wikimedia Commons pays to verifying identities or location information) I have no doubt your photo is fine there, and is OK to add to the article. Go for it! Nick Moyes (talk) 17:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Citing sources

I do not know how to cite sources sorry luk3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewikimeowman (talk • contribs) 18:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Thewikimeowman: please format your discussion as a new section, which I did for you. See WP:Citing sources for information. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 18:52, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

thank you know I can cite the source  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewikimeowman (talk • contribs) 20:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Thewikimeowman: Once you have found a source to support the content you want to add, you'll need to insert it into the article. The editing tool you are using contains a really helpful "Cite" button which brings up an easy to use template for you to fill in with the reference details. I have written a little guide which might help you. It's at WP:EASYREFBEGIN. Good luck (we all have to start somewhere!) Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Loading photos

Lucien Thévet

What do I need to do to get permission to upload the photos that accompany my article (I've translated a page that exists on the French version of Wikipedia). Also, how do I create a link to the original article on the French page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corniste6367 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Corniste6367. Your article at Draft:Lucien Thévet could use the photo from Wikimedia Commons that I've put in here. You don't have to use an Infobox - just copy the wikimarkup I've used here. It's impossible to comment on permissions for other photos without knowing what you have. You may upload photos you have taken, or which have been legitimately released with an appropriate Creative Commons licence, but not images used in books or websites which don't show an acceptable licence. Only once your draft is in mainspace should you worry about linking to the French page. Then click the cog iconnin 'Languages' on the lower left side of the page. Does this help? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:57, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Creating a subtitle for an article in the search engine

I created an article I Will Never Be The Same. It shows in the search bar but Doesn't have any subtitle. Hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeellllllllllllppppp me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sentinel786Zero (talk • contribs) 02:04, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sentinel786Zero, welcome to the Teahouse. It's called a short description. You can add it with Template:Short description. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:18, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Different question

Hi all,

I'm new. Did an assigned article for a class here at OSU. I took all the little tutorials, but obviously forgot some of what I learned.

The article is not complete, but it is so different from the old article that it can't be moved all in one piece? And yet, it doesn't make much sense to move it a piece at a time now. At least not to me.

Anyway, the bottom line is that I am hoping to get some guidance from someone on double checking what we've done, and then help me move it to wikipedia.

Right now it's in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pegrowe62/sandbox

compare to the wikipedia article: Letitia Carson. I have more material for the article but I'd like to do it just a little bit at a time because I am a student.

Thank you for your time! Peg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pegrowe62 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Appears you copied Letitia Carson into your sandbox, made changes, and now want to incorporate those changes into the article. My suggestion (will be tedious) is to copy your content a section at at time into the existing article, then delete from the existing article that which is to be replaced. Referencing will probably need to be repaired. David notMD (talk) 03:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Important differentiation for Star Trek Discovery

I added the fact that Star Trek Discovery is rated TV-MA. This was reversed. Of all the miniscule unimportant facts in the article, I as a parent would certainly want to know (and find it relevant) that this series (the only Star Trek series to be so rated) is rated TV-14. It's ridiculous to leave this out. Thanks, Drycroft4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drycroft4 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Drycroft4. The best place to probably discuss this would be at Talk:Star Trek: Discovery since disagreements over article content usually are best resolved on the concerned article's talk page. There could be a reason that the edit you made was reverted that has to do with some specific Wikipedia policy or guideline. Wikipedia article content is really only intended reflect content find in reliable sources, but even then they are not really intended to be TV or movie guides for parents or anyone else. In articles about films, for example, there is WP:FILMRATING which provides some insight in how to incorporate some information into the film article and for TV programs there appears to be something similar given at MOS:TV#Parental ratings for TV show articles. Simply adding an unsourced statement to the lead of an article might not be the best way to try and incorporate such information, no matter how helpful it might seem to be personally, simply because Wikipedia articles are written for readers all over the world and many countries might not follow the same rating system as the US. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

new article help needed as it got rejected

Hello

My name is varon bawa I wanted to make a page giving information

Advertising content—click "show" to view. Mz7 (talk) 07:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I run a digital and creative agency w: www.littlemoreservices.co.in fb: https://www.facebook.com/littlemoreservices/?fref=ts insta : :https://instagram.com/littlemoreservicespvtltd?igshid=ffddk3zium6f please find below the text I had submitted but got rejected kindly suggest changes so that the article is approved Varon Bawa (born on 25th September 1986, in Mumbai, India), is a marketing consultant and entrepreneur with over 15 years of rich experience in helping businesses succeed through innovative brand strategy and superlative design. He is currently Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer of Littlemore Services Pvt. Ltd. www.littlemoreservices.co.in, a full-service design, creative and marketing agency based in Mumbai. Early Life: Varon did his schooling at G. D. Somani School, Mumbai and his junior college at H.R. College of Commerce and Economics, Mumbai. 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After a 2-year stint heading marketing and sales for an organization in the distribution business, Varon gained valuable exposure working on high-impact projects for a startup ideation agency. Some of his key projects were: - Creative Director for AFP Panasonic Aapka Sapna Hamara Apna (3 seasons) with Dentsu and Colosceum - Creative and Edit Head for reality show AFP "Maruti Ritz Jeele Ye Pal" with LoLintas - Associate Creative Head for Times of India Femina Miss India (2011) - AFP Creative Head for reality show "LG Mallika-E-Kitchen" Seasons 2, 3 & 4 with LG & Colosceum - Worked closely with MTV VMAs and Reliance Digital, on their overall strategy and amplification, and as an on-ground partner Littlemore Services Pvt Ltd.: Website : www.littlemoreservices.co.in Instagram : https://instagram.com/littlemoreservicespvtltd?igshid=ffddk3zium6f Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/littlemoreservices/?fref=ts Varon started Littlemore Services (LMS) in 2011 as a one-stop marketing and digital solutions provider. Establishing themselves as a trusted partner in less than a decade, LMS has worked with major listed brands such as Reliance Industries Ltd. (MDA Group), Piramal Enterprises, Welspun, Videocon, Mahindra Partners, Sansui and Tata Motors, among others. The organization has also worked with several premium brands such as Seven Islands Harley Davidson, Kawasaki, The Irish House and French Connection, as well as mass brands such as Bafna Motors (Maharashtra’s leading Tata Motors distributor) and the ABCN Group (logistics and manufacturing). With the mega-conglomerate Reliance Industries, LMS has executed events across the country for telecom giant Jio. The organization has also worked closely with Vibrant Advertising (the in-house advertising agency of RIL) as an extension of their marketing arm, thus working with most of the RIL Group companies and brands such as Reliance Jewels, Jio, Reliance Trends and Reliance Brands (Hamleys, Thomas Pink, Brooks Brothers, Kenneth Cole and DC, amongst others). Varon also conceptualized the highly successful Selfie Le Le Re contest https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/salman-khan-meets-winners-of-reliance-digitals-selfie-le-le-re-contest-in-mumbai/articleshow/48113570.cms for Reliance Digital, leveraging the popularity of Salman Khan during the promotion of one of his hit movies at the time. Other clients in the LMS portfolio include Creative Group (a 1000+ Cr company), Sunjewels, Dr. Tvacha (one of Maharashtra's fastest growing hair, skin, slimming and anti-aging brands), TONIQ (one of India's leading accessory brands), Punjab Sind and Precision Electricals. LMS also partners with several startups, small to mid-sized companies, as well as large organizations to deliver superior marketing services as per each client’s unique need. With Welspun, LMS worked on the ideation and execution of the packaging for their FIFA World Cup 2018 Russia collection in their entire Bed and Bath category, which was distributed to over 50 countries worldwide. LMS has also diversified into internal communications by partnering closely with Piramal Enterprises in designing and executing their internal communications & employer branding strategy, working closely on marketing and communications for their initiatives around Learning & Development, Employee Engagement, Diversity & Inclusion, Rewards & Recognition and Employee Value Proposition, among others. Giving Back: Varon Bawa and LMS are closely associated with The Life Foundation http://www.lifetrustindia.org/ and other NGOs, to give back to the society in which they operate. Varon is passionate about animal welfare and is actively involved with individuals and organizations dedicated to the rescue, adoption and welfare of homeless animals in India, such as World For All Animal Care and Adoption, Animals Matter To Me (AMTM) and The Modern Mowgli, among others. He is a proud doggy dad to an indie that he rescued off the streets of Mumbai.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Varon Bawa (talk • contribs) 04:49, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

• Hello, I'm sorry I can't help but this clearly violates Wikipedia page creation guidelines and cannot see it becoming an article. It seems as if it is a promotion and seems to not be notable! Ping me if you need anything else! HeartGlow30797 (talk) 04:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Varon Bawa: Hi, I think you may have misunderstood what Wikipedia is (main article: WP:NOT). It is not a social media or brand-promoting website where puff pieces can be posted; Instagram or LinkedIn are more in line with what you're attempting to do. Wikipedia asks for secondary sources (not related to you) to be where editors get their information about your company from. Said exposure may not be necessarily what you want. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

You may read this article on notability. The topic based on which your article is, should be notable. No one can simply write about an owner of a company which is not so famous; And that too in a website like Wikipedia, right? Please don't think that I am underestimating your esteemed company. Omniscien1 (talk) 07:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Picture from outside

Is it possible to tag photos from outside Wikimedia commons in a Wikipedia articles directly? If yes, how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.191.49.194 (talk) 06:46, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 223.191.49.194. I'm not sure what you mean by tag photos from outside Wikipedia commons in a Wikipedia articles directly, but I'm guessing you want know if you can add (i.e. display) a photo that has not been uploaded to either Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia to Wikipedia article or page. If that's your question, then the answer is no; only files uploaded to Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia can be displayed in Wikipedia articles or on other types of Wikipedia pages;. It might be possible to add a link to a photo found on some other external website, but that will not display the photo directly in the article; rather, the reader will have to have to click on the link and view the photo on the other website. You need to be careful, however, when attempting to do this kind of thing and make sure that linking to the other website doesn't violate WP:ELNEVER. It might be able to give you a more specific answer if you can clarify the type of photo you want to link to and which article/page you want to add the link to. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Please Help

Hi I need help regarding the removal of citations as per WP:QUESTIONABLE. I requested the removal of citations on talk page[7] of Jaggi Vasudev, but no one seems to be intrested in talking. After that I posted request on Help Desk[8] , but again no editor is replying. Can any experienced editor remove these citations, as I am unable to do so. BabyINeedYa (talk) 05:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@BabyINeedYa: Welcome to the Teahouse. You did get replies at the Help desk, which was to refer you to the discussion you started at the article talk page. The article talk page is indeed the right place to discuss this, and you have already received responses there. Asking in a new place that editors who are not aware of the ongoing discussion should circumvent it for you is not really appropriate. Have you read the many previous discussion threads on the article talk page carefully? In any case, the reason people are not responding immediately to your most recent post is likely because you did not address the question asked of you previously (you posted a large number of links but never responded to the question about what was wrong with each one of them), and to me it looks like your request is the same one that has been made many times before, and has been discussed repeatedly. --bonadea contributions talk 07:26, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

What kind of reference links are accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaushik2012 (talk • contribs) 06:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia safe?

Most of the users here know that, I, Omniscien1, am telling (mostly disturbing) and taking suggestions from you on vanishing. But now I am in a confusion. I like editing in Wikipedia. But I feel like someone is personally viewing, i.e., knowing my personal details. What should I do? I feel like vanishing from here because I feel unsafe in this big group of editors but then I go for editing. What shall I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniscien1 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Don't give out any personal information that could identify you in real life. Please read this essay for young editors. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 07:21, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Omniscien1. You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Wikipedia is in the real world for some general information about this. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project that anyone in the world can participate in if they want to and are willing to comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. This means that pretty much every page on Wikipedia can be seen by anyone who wants to, and any edits or posts that we make on Wikipedia can also be seen by others. If you're worried that you might've posted some personal information about yourself on some page that you now wish you hadn't, then please check Wikipedia:Oversight because there are ways to get certain types of information removed. If another editor has been posting your personal information somewhere on Wikipedia, then please check Wikipedia:Harassment#Posting of personal information for more information. Why we can post some personal information about ourselves on Wikipedia if we want, we have to be very careful about what we post about other editors or other people.

Bascially, other Wikipedia editors are only going to really only know you by the edits you make and whatever information you post about yourself. So, as long as you're careful about what you reveal on Wikipedia, you should be fine. Similarly, if you tell your friends, co-workers, family, etc, out in the real world your Wikipedia username or the types of articles you edit, then you have know way to control how they might decide to use that information. If you're worried about others knowing about you and Wikipedia, simply don't tell anyone at all that you edit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you editors for your suggestions. Now I am feeling safer here. I especially wanted to mention some users but then they mustn't feel insecure. Now I am happy here. Thank you all once again :) Omniscien1 (talk) 08:29, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Which of these come first? References or see also section?

Which of these do you put first? The references or the see also section. I've seen some articles put references first, and I've seen articles that put the see also section first. Analog Horror, (Speak) 20:22, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Analog Horror: See also should be before the references. The one after references is "external links". Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 08:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Analog Horror. Wikipedia articles are generally laid out according to WP:ORDER; so, check that page for reference. In addition, please don't move your Teahouse posts to the top of the page. New posts added to a Wikipedia page should go at the bottom of the page, not the top. The Teahouse used to be the exception to that practice and new posts used to be added to the top of the page, but that's no longer the case. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:48, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding a new image

I would like to update an image on a person's Wiki page. However, every time I try and do this, Wikipedia keeps taking it down. I have permission to use the image and tick the ownership box... How can I prevent the image from being taken down and keep the updated one up?

I have tried many times with many different images!

The image change is for the profile of Brianne West

Thanks in advance :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazthecat (talk • contribs) 02:11, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mazthecat. It looks like you've been trying to upload files to Wikimedia Commons, but they've been deleted because you're somehow failing to comply with c:Commons:Licensing in some way. If you check your Commons user talk page at c:User talk:Mazthecat you'll find more specific notifications explaining why the files were deleted. Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia are sister projects and there's lots of overlapping between the two, but they still are different projects and have their own respective policies and guidelines. Most likely the problem is that you're not providing any way for others to verify the copyright ownership or copyright status of the files your uploading, and thus Wikimedia Commons isn't able to keep them. You might also want to look at c:Commons:OTRS because it contains information about this kind of thing that you might find helpful.-- Marchjuly (talk) 09:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Dan arndt rejected my article

I used to donate regularly to Wikipedia but I think it is a vase of money since as I just realized any nutcake can make a decision about whether an article worth for listing or not :-)

the reason for rejection " Wikipedia is not a site to be used to promote a non-ntoable junior football club." I have no idea what is a "non-ntoable" and the club is not a junior football club. The club is the same level as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosnells_City_FC see the following link there is no page exist for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_West_State_League_Division_2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laszlo Jakso (talk • contribs) 04:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

obviously I do not know how wikipedia automate the listing why and how elect mediators, all I wanted is to create an article and add more information once it is published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laszlo Jakso (talk • contribs) 03:49, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

• Hello! Upon reviewing your complaint, I see that the person who reviewed your submission did not feel it did not have sufficient sources online, primary or secondary, therefore it was deemed not notable. If you have further questions, please ping me and I will get back to you :D. HeartGlow30797 (talk) 04:31, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Laszlo Jasko: Donations go to the WikiMedia Foundation, not Wikipedia proper. The issue the user had was your subject did not have enough good sources to support it having its own article. I suggest reaching out to said user to find out more about this. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 04:42, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Laszlo Jasko. I asked about this at Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Football. If you can demonstrate the the club in question meets Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability then a Wikipedia article can probably be created about it; however, the current state of the draft you're working on is not even close to article standards which probably was also part of the reason it was declined in addition to the lack of proper sourcing. So, you might want to look at Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners for some general information on how to write a Wikipedia article; you might also want to look at some other articles for some general ideas as to how such article tend to be formatted, etc. You can also always ask for help from the members of WikiProject Football and perhaps you'll find someone to help you with the draft.

Some other things, another article about a similar team existing does mean that another article about the team you want to write about should exist; it could mean that the other article should also not exist and needs to be deleted. Donating to Wikipedia is a great thing, but a Wikipedia article is not something you can "buy" by donating. Only subjects considered to be Wikipedia notable are considered to be OK to write about; moreover, even if you're successful in creating an article about the team, neither you nor the team (or anyone associated with it) will have any final editorial control or claim of ownership over the article, and only content deemed to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines will be allowed to be added. So, in this sense, Wikipedia can be quite restrictive it what kinds of subjects it allows articles to be written about and then what types of content it allows to be added to articles. If this sounds like a lot of hassle or hoops to jump through, there are lots of alternatives to Wikipedia that don't seem to have as many rules. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)