User talk:WikiDan61/Archive20210804

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Norman Stevenson

I received the following email from Carlwark. I prefer to discuss Wikipedia matters here rather than by email so I will transcribe and respond to the email here.

Carlwark wrote:

It’s now a week ago that, as you suggested, I posted on Talk:Norman Stevenson a proposal for expansion of the article about him plus request for comments on two sources. But no response from anyone.

Please advise how to proceed. Is there now any reason not to write and post the fresh expansion of the article which I proposed on the Talk page? It would be limited to information from published sources and would carefully keep in mind all your earlier comments.

I look forward to hearing from you.

@Carlwark: based on the discussion you've included at Talk:Norman Stevenson, and in the absence of any dissent from any other user, I have no problem with your moving ahead with the changes you have suggested. In writing this material, please remember to keep your writing neutral. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Dennis Dillon Wikipedia

Hi Dan, thank you for the policy update. Would like to update Rev. Dennis Dillon's bio. Can you update on our behalf? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NY Christian Times (talk • contribs) 20:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@NY Christian Times: You may have noticed that I've nominated the page for deletion. I was unable to find any significant reliable sources about Dillon from which to generate an article. The expansion that you offered was not based on any reliable sources. If you'd like to see the article expanded, I recommend the following steps:

1. Follow the directions in the block message on your user talk page to request a new username.
2. When a new username is assigned, be sure to disclose your conflict of interest with the subject of Dennis Dillon.
3. Edit the article's talk page and list the changes you'd like to see to the article, with valid sources to verify the changes you'd like to see.

The article will not be deleted for at least 7 days (and may not be at all, depending on the outcome of the discussion), so you have some time to manage this. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Malek-Ashtar University of Technology

Hello, The Malek Ashtar University is a public university is affiliated with the Iran government, not military. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talk • contribs) 19:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarzadnia: Not according to the reliable sources that you've been deleting. If the sources are in dispute, please address the matter at the article's talk page. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear WikiDan61, I am graduated at Malek-asghtar university of technology. I am sure that this university is affiliated with the iran government and is public research university. my research profile is https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ehsan_Farzadnia2 if you have any question about my university (MUT), feel free please. Best regards Ehsan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talk • contribs) 19:39, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarzadnia: Your personal sureness is not a valid source. Since the existing reliable source identify this university as being under the control of the Iranian military, that is the fact that we can verifiably publish. If you can find a reliable source that says otherwise, please introduce that source at the article's talk page so that the dispute between the sources can be discussed. (Some sources may be more reliable than others.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:48, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

My valid source is that I have educated at this university. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talk • contribs) 19:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarsadnia: That's not how Wikipedia works. Sorry. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

The authoritative source is myself because I have educated at this university and families with all of activities of these university. please please do not change this content. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsanfarzadnia (talk • contribs) 20:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsanfarsadnia: Mere attendance at a university does not make you an "authoritative source" about that university. If you can't find published information to dispute the published information that claims this as a military university, you have not leg to stand on. Your repeated removal of cited material from the article has already been noted as vandalism: your continued behavior in this manner will likely get you blocked. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

PS: Please sign your talk page posts. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

receptor theory

Thanks for your take. As you imply, the page took a narrow view of receptor theory: its history as applied to pharmacology. However the title of the page is receptor theory, and receptor theory has been much broader and deeper than applications of pharmacological interest. I tried to touch on some of that history. I could start a new page called receptor theory in immunology, but then the current page should more accurately be called receptor theory in pharmacology. This starts us down a slippery slope of unnecessary fragmentation and disambiguation --probably not the best way to disseminate knowledge. I really thought my addition would be welcome and made the page more interesting and informative than it had been -- I'm sorry you disagree. CPDeLisi (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@CPDeLisi: Please make your argument at Talk:Receptor theory so that the rest of the community can weigh in. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 02:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

United States International University

Hi

Regarding: Denied Publishing as Alliant International University Page Already Exists.

1) A) USIU merged with B) CSPP to form C) Alliant International University. And B) CSPP still has its own Wiki page. Based on this point wouldn't this logic justify a) USIU to have its own page? EXAMPLE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_School_of_Professional_Psychology

2) USIU is now defunct. It was a storied not-for-profit university with a sports, academic and cultured background. USIU produced professional NFL/NHL players, academics, researchers, politicians and actors/singers.

3) The Result of this merger: C) Alliant International University, declared in 2015 that is now a for-profit-corporation with no sports team or makeup of the original university. How can this still be the only page for USIU which was an accredited, internationally recognized not-for-profit University?

4) I feel the now defunct USIU needs to be represented and there is further evidence below of a community trying to do that with this Alumni Wiki Page.Shouldn't that content be on a USIU page, or link to it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_International_University_alumni

If USIU a non-profit with a +50 year legacy and Alliant International a 5 year old for-profit-corporation with no legacy are the same thing, then can you please show me how to capture all of the history, story highlights, and citations work that I have just compiled on my USIU draft to fit into the Alliant Page?

I believe these two things to clearly be two different entities just like B) CSPP which is why CSPP has its own page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_School_of_Professional_Psycholog

Thanks (@WikiDan61:)

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy2Help619 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Happy2Help619: You are free to re-submit the draft to allow another reviewer to evaluate. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Taxonomy & the pillowsock

I looked for the AN/I report you'd filed, and found it had already been archived. Unfortunate that I missed the chance to pre-empt that; I'm about to log off and have no time to file a new one. Their behaviour remains disruptive, e.g. [1], [2], [3], and [4]. After that last one, I warned them for edit warring. Because their editing style is so persistently disruptive, and their knowledge of wikicode far beyond most new users, I'm beginning to wonder if they might have been banned under another username, either from another project, or from here sufficiently long ago that they've escaped notice in this incarnation. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

regarding my edits

Hello, sorry I haven't responded earlier but i didn't understand how. I reuploaded the edit since, according to the article itself, a newspaper of record is one "with large circulation whose editorial and news-gathering functions are considered authoritative." JN is the daily with the most prints and the most confidence in the general public while Expresso is the newspaper with the most confidence overall, while also being one of the most sought after nation wide. This to me seems to be enough to consider them both as such, unlike 2 less rated and less available newspapers, whose sources are almost a decade old, while mine are Reuters' reports from last year. You will also find that I improved my edit, after seeing that weeklies were up for consideration, and improved the sources as well. Please take this into consideration, as grounds for editing the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorptg (talk • contribs) 21:40, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Restore sourced information. Please discuss. If the information is out of date, please provide sources to show that.

Hi, you reverted changes I made for SRC. I'm not sure what sources you want to cite. I work there. That article is SUPER out of date. While I want to put in more useful content, it seemed good to get the old stuff out of there asap.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeniQ (talk • contribs) 21:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@JeniQ: Your own personal knowledge from working there is not considered a reliable source. There are may programs listed on the page that are sourced to reliable sources. If these programs are now defunct, you'll need to cite an equally reliable source to indicate that. Further, if the programs are defunct, they should still be noted, with the wording changed to indicate these programs are no longer active. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikiDan61:

So, if I edit the SRC website to show that a program is ended, then I can link Wikipedia to the website that I just updated? Is that kind of what you're suggesting. Sorry, I don't have Wikipedia edit experience so I don't know all the etiquette. Thanks.

@JeniQ: If you have enough connection to the SRC to be able to edit their website, you likely have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the Wikipedia page at all. However, if you have permission to edit the SRC website, and if the SRC website notes that a particular program that has existed in the past is no longer active, I think we could take the SRC's own website as a reliable source for that fact. I would recommend that you then edit Talk:Semiconductor Research Corporation and make an edit request there, providing the source. The SRC page should still list the programs, but note that they have been discontinued. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Slavic issues

Hello Wikidan61, I'm not sure this is the right way to do it (I'm a PhD, but I'm new around here). I think you either have some kind of problem with me or with the Slavic people, because you attempted to undo whatever I explored and added as regards Slavic people, for some reason. I hope you are not a racist, but I'm sure it's just a wrong impression I'm getting out of you. You claimed the evidence on Waltz Slovenian ancestry is 'thinnest,' while I provided you with a link to the Austrian Humanities of Vienna, and there are a series of articles on Wikipedia (and the best Austrian encyclopedias), clearly not written by myself, on each and every of Waltz' ancestors up to Alojz Urbancic. You say it is not relevant, but ethnicity and origins are reported on each and every actors' article on Wikipedia. So I really don't understand what your problem is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Max9844419087 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Max9844419087: Claiming Slovenian heritage for Christoph Waltz based on the fact that one of his 16 great-great-grandparents came from Slovenia is a thin argument. Unless Waltz himself has commented on his Slovenian heritage, I do not believe it is relevant to the article. But since we disagree on the matter, I have started a discussion at Talk:Christoph Waltz to resolve that issue. Your edits on Josip Belušić consist largely of a speculative discussion about whether Belušić would or would not have considered himself a Croat with lots of evidence about the nature of the Croat people through history, but absolutely no references about Belušić's own thoughts on the matter. Wikipedia generally does not engage in such speculation. You have restored the information at that article, in violation of Wikipedia's WP:BRD policy, so I'm going to revert that again. Please discuss the issue at Talk:Josip Belušić before you restore the material. And finally, no, I am not a racist, and raising that question fails to assume good faith. As a new editor at Wikipedia, you have some things to learn about how to edit here. I suggest you read the welcome message I just left on your user talk page, and follow through the various tutorials to help better understand how things are done here. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 As regards Josip Belusic, my purpose was filling the article, by providing some valuable information and insights over the geopolitical situation in his time. Again, the main purpose was filling the article, if you are telling me that my work was meaningless, then it's fine, I will know better next time (it doesn't really matter to me whether Josip Belusic's article is or is not a stub. By the way, the reason why I spent 4 hours editing it in the first place was because you asked me to do so). As regards your good faith policy, do you really assume that every person who starts off on Wikipedia read all your manual? In any case, I wasn't given the link you provided me before. As regards Chris Waltz: if I do understand you rejection of my article on Belusic (because I do understand the information provided is truthful but not strictly relevant, as its purpose was filling) I do not understand and absolutely oppose your undoing Waltz's Slovenian roots. Like I said: I provided you with a link to the Austrian humanities, you can further verify at you expenses all the links which bring up to Walt'z great-grandfather and his cousin, who was one of the greatest Slovenian authors, by creating an account on some genealogy website or going to the archives in Vienna (which I did, for other reasons of course), but again, all those links are established through other articles on Wikipedia. The fact that he is Slovenian IS important, especially because he is related to one of Slovenia's greatest poets. There are just so many articles (all actors' articles) which claim ethnicity with much, much thinner evidence and degree. So because I believe in Justitia, you would have to undo each and every of those before undoing Waltz's. For the record, I'm an Italian of Scottish and Dutch descent, and I have no Slovenian ties or ancestors whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Max9844419087 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

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Indukurupeta

Hi May I know why most of the content is removed. Like why it is called second konaseema, Irrigation stats, and crops grown??

Abhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek.Poondla (talk • contribs) 12:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek.Poondla: The extensive list of specific crops is unnecessary trivia. If there are one or two crops that make up the bulk of the economy, that would be relevant, but with such an extensive, undifferentiated list, it was better to simply state that agriculture is a main economic driver in the mandal. The issue with noting that Indukurupeta is called a "second Konaseema" is that it is an unsourced claim of significance. The part about the area under irrigation, if properly cited, could be restored under the "Climate and soil" section. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

Please see below news article. There is no official evidence on why Indukurupeta is called Second Konaseema or Mini Konaseema. I feel This news article is sufficient. Below is the link.

https://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Andhra-Pradesh/2017-08-18/APRS-APVKS-threaten-to-block-aqua-unit-pipelines/319854

Below is the content of the article and where it claims Indukurupet mandal as ‘Mini Konaseema'

"He also warned that they would obstruct activities of the processing units if the government fails to take action against them. Managements of these firms have been contaminating Indukurupet mandal which is known as ‘Mini Konaseema’, he added. AP Kaulu Rytu Sangham state general secretary P Jamulaiah said that vegetables which are being grown in these mandal have been contaminated with the impurities. He also warned that they would collect soil from every village for lab testing and block pipelines of the firms on August 24. AP Rytu Sangham district secretary P Sriramulu and leader TVV Prasad were also present" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek.Poondla (talk • contribs) 04:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

And regarding your statement unnecessary trivia on the crops grown here, I would like to comment the below: Every area will have specific identity, say technology, agriculture, entertainment, hospitality etc., and particularly in agriculture different type of crops do not grow in one particular area, only two or three varieties may be grown. (owing to temperature, water availability etc.,). But here many varieties are grown, so the identity of this mandal is many kinds of plants grow in these conditions. that is the identity we have. so that is the reason for my elaborate list. You dont believe even few farmers are growing obram cocoa(used to make chocolates). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishek.Poondla (talk • contribs) 09:13, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek.Poondla: Regarding "Mini Konaseema", I disagree that this is a description that has value in a global encyclopedia, because the meaning of this phrase may not extend beyond India, and evidence of one MP saying it may not be sufficient to verify that it is a widely used description.

Regarding the variety of crops grown in the area, the plain list does not convey the proper information that Indukurupeta is unique for the variety of crops grown. I would recommend instead a sentence along the lines of: Indukurupeta is recognised for the wide variety of crops grown in the area. This statement would require a reliable source (i.e. there would have to be some published statement that has recognised Indukurupeta for this fact, rather than your own personal assessment of the situation). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I am adding my family biography !

Hi there Dan,

I am adding my family biography to this page at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawab_Fateh_Ali_Khan_Kazilbash The information is provided by my elders and is already on the internet. Available here is well http://lafayette.org.uk/kiz2653.html

Zulfekaraliagha (talk) 16:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@Zulfekaraliagha: The material published at the website you've linked appears to be taken from a 1939 book titled Chiefs and Families of Note in the Punjab, Vol I. Since it was published in 1939, it is likely still protected by copyright. And whether or not the material is copyrighted, the inclusion of direct testimony of your ancestors is not considered a reliable source. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Zameen

Yes zameen.com is a reliable source and a very famous and big website in Pakistan. It's office is in Lahore and it adds information about Lahore. The CEO is a big businessman and is very informative and totally reliable. Don't delete my contributions. I will add more sources too. I think 4 sources are enough for a paragraph but I'll add more too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Maverick8017: Despite your faith in Zameen.com, Wikipedia has its own definitions of what constitutes a reliable source, and a website whose business is to sell real estate, and therefore whose purpose is to entice rather than inform, does not count as a reliable source. If you have other sources, great, but if you keep trying to add the zameen.com site, I'll have to assume that your intent is less to inform and more to drive traffic to that site, which is contrary to Wikipedia's purposes. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Saietta Group

Dear Dan, I am the CEO of Saietta and I am keen to make the Saietta page correct. Most of what was there belongs to Agni Motors. Would you be so kind to accept the changes? Best regards, Wicher Kist (Vic031974 (talk) 12:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC))

@Vic031974: As the CEO of Saietta, you have a deep conflict of interest and should not edit the article. The text you added could have come directly from the company's own website (I haven't checked; for all I know, it did come directly from the website). Writing at Wikipedia must be properly sourced and neutral. Because of your conflict of interest, if you would like to see changes at the article, I recommend that you request the edits that you would like to see at the article's talk page. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Zameen

Zameen doesn't sale real estate. It's informing. Besides I have added more sources too inclduing newspaper and government websites. Why are you deleting my content? I have spent hours in research and writing. Rather than deleting my content do add citation needed if you think 4 websites are not sufficient. But don't delete anyone's hard work Mr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talk • contribs) 12:46, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't delete authentic content

all sources are reliable sources. I think you have some personal problems against city of Lahore. This is spamming. Im complaininy to authorities. Next time you delete my content without my permission, you will be banned from wikipedia.

Also if you have any problem from Lahore, let me know, I'll help you out but if you delete the content, you will be banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Maverick8017: I've discussed your sources at your user talk page. Your refusal to listen to the advice of more experienced editors is becoming a big problem. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 10:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey

hey wikidan61, i am new to wikipedia editing and i really want to contribute by adding more information about Zahid malik. please tell me how to improve the page instead of undoing my changes.

thank you, Ematchkay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ematchkay (talk • contribs) 12:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ematchkay: I had updated the Zahid Malik article becuase:

1. empty sections of the article are not helpful;
2. the long list of past positions held is not the point of the "Occupation" section of the infobox -- that parameter should provide a brief description of the person's occupation (in this case journalist and editor);
3. the "notable works" parameter should hold the titles of actual notable works, not a note that "he wrote a lot of books";
4. the grammar of the sentence about the Sitara-i-Imtiaz award was faulty, so I corrected it;
5. the extraneous use of bold text in articles is discouraged: it should only be used to emphasize the title subject of the article in the article text.

I encourage you to continue to seek ways to improve Wikipedia, but please understand that if an edit you have made has been reverted, you should discuss the proposed edits before restoring them. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking time to edit this article, i will surely make improvements Ematchkay (talk) 15:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey wikidan, I cant thank you enough for enhancing that article on Zahid malik. It really means alot to me. I will be updating more content on him soon, hoping this time i would properly do it. Ematchkay (talk) 14:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ematchkay: My pleasure! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

hey wikidan, dont just delete everything like that, the things which i wrote for the article are actually his work, ill put more neutrality in it, things have been published in his newspaper and books about him, i'll give reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ematchkay (talk • contribs) 14:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ematchkay: Since Malik was the founder and editor-in-chief of the Pakistan Observer, it is not likely to be a reliable neutral source about him. Also, the content at the article was essentially unsalvageably non-neutral. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Stop blaming

I have used verifiable and authentic sources. I have realized this place is full of racists that's why don't allow Pakistani editors to contribute and delete their contributions as they don't want people to know about third world countries and their tourism and food.

I think I shouldn't contribute now as people here don't deserve hardworking people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverick8017 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

First, your accusations of racism are false; other editors are glad to help edit articles about Pakistan, and your accusations fail to assume good faith. Second, you keep insisting that your sources are verifiable and authentic, but other editors (myself including) keep trying to tell you that:

1. personally published blogs (jamilsays and mohsinsblog) and real estate sales sites (zameen.com) are not reliable sources (really, read that linked article to see what we mean by "reliable sources"); and
2. reliable sources that do not state anything relevant about the specific topic are no more helpful than unreliable sources, so references to articles from Dawn or The News on Sunday that do not mention anything about the topic at hand are pointless.

If you choose to listen to the advice you've been given, you could be a good contributor, but if you continue to ignore other editors' advice, than yes, it might be best if you choose not to contribute further. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Karnak

That site copied from [5] which holds the copyright - and it says "Some Rights Reserved (2009-2020) under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike license unless otherwise noted." Another of the many things I still don't know, if we wished to use that, how would we go about it? Doug Weller talk 13:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liyann Seet

Hi WikiDan,

Article has been deleted. Would you be able to help out with the deletion review? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatianajames (talk • contribs) 16:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Tatianajames: It's not clear what help you're seeking, but the guidelines at WP:Deletion review would indicate that this is a poor candidate for that process. The AFD discussion participants were unanimous in their assessment that Seet does not merit inclusion in Wikipedia. If you disagree, I would recommend starting a new draft article (at Draft:Liyann Seet and submit your new draft through the Articles for Creation process. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:00, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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Extinct cultures at RFD

Hello. I listed the page you contributed, Extinct cultures, for discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 22#Extinct cultures, which I invite you for input. --George Ho (talk) 03:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

ANI

Hi WikiDan61. I started an ANI thread - it's not about you, but you were involved in it, so I thought I should let you know. It's about the El Ligero article. 184.15.52.85 (talk) 13:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Updating information on Wiki page for Together for Mental Wellbeing

Hi WikiDan61,

Thanks for letting me know the changes I submitted have been rejected, to be honest it's becoming a bit frustrating.

I work for Together for Mental Wellbeing and I'm just trying to update the information on the page as its badly out of date. I understand your desire to limit commercial posts or 'soapbox' content as you describe it but I'm just trying to correct information that is on there from a previous entry which has details of our previous CEO and reference to our previous values which have now been updated.

Within the updates I was just trying to update that information and also add some further detail about our approach to mental health support although it would seem those are considered too commercial. If you could give me a bit more of an indication what is acceptable that would be appreciated as at the moment I think if we can't amend that we'd rather the page was just deleted as it's misleading.

Thanks, MartinF1290374 MartinF1290374 (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@MartinF1290374: Since you are affiliated with Together for Mental Wellbeing, you have a conflict of interest regarding this topic. Please read the linked article to understand how this limits the ways in which you should edit here at Wikipedia. Most importantly:

1. you must disclose your conflict of interest (see {{UerboxCOI}} for one good way to do this);
2. if you are being paid by Together for Mental Wellbeing to correct their Wikipedia page, you must disclose this also;
3. you should refrain from eding the Together for Mental Wellbeing page directly, but instead make edit requests at the article's talk page.

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All of my edits have been undone

Hi Dan,

After I moved 18 Red Lion Court to Red Lion Chambers, I see that all of the edits have now been undone. I can see that as you have said, some of it reads as promotional and does not comply. Not all of this is promotional. Can you go back to my edits to at least before today. They were not promotional, they fixed the dead links already in existence and updated the summary of the page at least.

Crystal — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedLionChambers2 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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Got your message - desperately need help

Hi Dan - I got your message about the new Morris Animal Foundation page. I work in the science department and was asked to update. I understand the conflict of interest thing but I'm unsure how to proceed. I understood about the neutral tone and feel that was maintained and the article was well referenced. However, I hate to lose 5 hours worth of work!! Can you help?KdiehlMAF (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@KdiehlMAF: Some points:

1. Don't panic. All of your edits are retained in the page history so if we (you, I and the rest of the Wikipedia community) decide if there's anything salvageable there, we can retrieve it.
2. What you consider neutral may well be colored by your association with the group. Specifically, I'll point out a few problematic phrases to give you an idea:
   • Morris Animal Foundation is a global leader in finding solutions to health problems affecting animals. Even if true, and verifiable, this kind of language is inherently promotional.
   • The Foundation applies the highest scientific standards to the research they support... Again, this language is promotional.
   • The growth from that life-changing idea to a flourishing animal health funding organization can be attributed, not only from the hard work of the Morris family, but also to the many dedicated volunteers who donated their personal time to build the recognition and reputation of the Foundation. This is not the language of an encyclopedia, but rather of a sales brochure.
3. Large portions of your text are copied verbatim from the organization's website, which violates the organization's copyrights. (Read WP:COPYVIO, and understand that content at Wikipedia is freely available to any to use as they please; this is not a license most organizations are willing to grant to their promotional material.)
4. Since you have an obvious conflict of interest, you should not be editing the page (even if your employer has asked you too). Instead, you should make edit requests on the article's talk page, noting any specific factual errors that you have found and providing the corrected text you would like to see. When doing this, you'll need to provided a reliable source that verifies the change in information you are seeking. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Dan!

Not sure how to ping from my page but thanks a bunch for your critique. I'm thinking it will be great to salvage what we can and maybe have someone else finish. Just wanted to update a terribly old and outdated page.KdiehlMAF (talk) 22:44, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

your help with article Philip Lance

Hello WikiDan61,

Thank you for your attention and recent edits to this article Philip Lance which I have been trying to clean up. The article has a template asking for additional citations for verification. I have added citations but I am uncertain about whether they are sufficient to merit removing the template. Would you please let me know if you or somebody else could guide me? I am still learning how to edit in wiki, so any suggestions you might have are welcome.

Thank you! Raulsantosgarcia (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Raulsantosgarcia: Since you asked, I reviewed the article's citations, and found them quite inadequate. I have marked citations that "fail verification" (i.e. the citations do not actually verify the facts in the article that are being cited) and I have marked several facts that require verification. Significantly, I find no source to verify the article's main claim is notability: that Lance is the "first openly-gay man ordained by the Episcopalian Church." That is a significant claim: it requires a solid source. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review the article's citations and for marking the ones that fail verification. Sincerely appreciated. Raulsantosgarcia (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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shuster1 questions

Dear WikiDan61,

I am not Dr. Shusterman and therefore should be allowed to make edits. Just an educated party interested in his work, wth reliable sources to draw from. Please advise on how to make my edits stick; I am new to wiki and unsure of your procedures. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shuster1 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train

Thanks a lot. actually i wrote the review in direct sppeech so that reader might admire for geniune information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichika Kasuga (talk • contribs) 17:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean here (there might be a language barrier at work), but as I mentioned in the edit summary, brief quotes of one or two sentences are fine, but pulling multiple paragraphs from a review, even if cited, constitutes a copyright violation and can't be allowed. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:10, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Farid Khan (politician)

Just wanted to inform you that an IP replaced the content of the article by creating a new article about a namesake who is a tennis player and sports journalist. I understand that there had been similar rewritings of this article in the past and maybe that tennis player is actually notable enough to warrant a wikipedia article. But as I see no indication that this tennis player ever pursued a career as a politician, such an article cannot stay under a title Farid Khan (politician). So maybe you want to discuss this matter on the discussion page of that article to sort out how to deal with this. --Proofreader (talk) 15:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

@Proofreader: There's nothing really to sort out. The edit in question was a page hijacking and has been reverted. I've left a note on the IP's talk page about the matter. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:59, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay. Also just noticed that Farid Khan (sports writer) had been deleted due to non-notability. --Proofreader (talk) 16:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

about shashi

hello,I was born in Shashi City,but it’s a district of Jingzhou. so,I want to merge shashi city and shashi district.Thank you. 霜晨旻雪 (talk) 19:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@霜晨旻雪:: What's to merge? There is not an article about Shashi City. There is a Shashi (city) page, but that just redirects to Shashi District. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

This involves politics, if it is called a district , it will be considered belittle in China. 霜晨旻雪 (talk) 19:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Please give name just “Shashi “,thank you. 霜晨旻雪 (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@霜晨旻雪: You are free to open a discussion about moving the page at the article's talk page, but your reasoning ("This involves politics: it if is called a district it will be considered belittled in China") won't carry much weight, I'm afraid. The official name of the place (given the sources) appears to be "Shashi District", so that is what Wikipedia will use. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:35, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

If you read the Chinese Wiki,you will find that shashi city(沙市市）and shashi district(沙市區） exist at the same time. 霜晨旻雪 (talk) 19:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

If you don’t agree to merge them.I will create a new entry “shashi city” 霜晨旻雪 (talk) 19:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@霜晨旻雪: The existence of both articles on zh.wiki is a matter for the zh.wiki editors to manage. Here at en.wiki, we have policies regarding the naming of articles, and they require that, in the absence of a universally accepted common name, articles about places are titled based on the official name of the place. You are free to create a new article, but it will likely be proposed for merger to the existing article, since having multiple articles about the same topic is discouraged. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia "point of view"

Excuse me, which parts of my edit violate the "neutral point of view?"

Is it the objective genocide? The objective subjugation? The objective effect and use of the word Lapp and Lappland? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 20:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@ItsSamiNotLapp: Your editing at the Sámi people page indicates that you take offense to the "L-word", as you have called it. I will grant that you are free to be offended by it. You are not free to express your disgust in terms that are not backed up by the reliable sources. Nor have you cited any reliable sources to back up accusations of genocide and subjugation. These are serious accusations, and require serious sources to back them up. Please recall that Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:05, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia "point of view"

Rant by WP:NOTHERE user collapsed.

Please explain to me exactly what I need to change. It is not a point of view that the L-word is culturally equivalent to the N-word. It is not an opinion there was genocide. There are people who deny it but that does not make the truth of the UN definition genocide. There is no opinion that propaganda is untrue. It is no opinion that the Swedish think they are ethnically superior to the Sami. It is not an opinion that the Sami were sent to concentration camps. It is not an opinion that propaganda is used to turn neighbors against each other to try to eradicate a population. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55824347-myths-tales-and-poetry---from-four-centuries-of-s-mi-literature This book is published with the Sami university. https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/15848868-we-stopped-forgetting This is a book about Sami in america. https://www.britannica.com/place/Lapland http://languagehat.com/being-wrong-about-sami/ "you can just go to the frigging Wikipedia article and read “Sámi refer to themselves as Sámit (the Sámis) or Sápmelaš (of Sámi kin), the word Sámi" — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 21:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC) https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lapp Lapp [ lap ]SHOW IPA - Offensive. https://www.visitnorway.com/typically-norwegian/sami-people/rebirth-of-the-joik/ "It is neither possible nor fair to tell the story of the joik without including a very dark chapter in Norwegian history. For centuries, the Sami culture lived under intense pressure from the Norwegian government. According to the Great Norwegian Encyclopedia, it started with missionary work in the early 1600s. For a long time, the Sami people weren’t allowed to speak their own language and were forced to learn Norwegian under strict assimilation policies." It is seriously everywhere if you take the time to look past the obvious propaganda. If you need more there I can start quoting you the books, or rather the second book because that is against the terms of the first book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC) What is an opinion? please tell me so I can change it. If you think that the opinion is Lapp is as offensive as Ni**er then something is seriously wrong here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 21:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC) : @ItsSamiNotLapp: It absolutely is an opinion that the "L-word is equivalent to the N-word." It absolutely is an opinion (or at the very least, an unverified accusation) that there was a genocide of the Sami people, unless you can find an unbiased reliable source that states it. It is your opinion (not a fact stated by any reliable source) that Sweden has engaged in propaganda against the Sami people. It is your opinion (not a fact stated by any reliable source) that the Swedish people feel that they are ethnically superior to the Sami people. It is not a fact backed by a reliable source (at least none that you have provided) that the Sami were sent to concentration camps or that the Swedish government used propaganda to turn their population against the Sami people. These are all your opinions unless you can back them up with reliable sources. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC) @WikiDan61 Holy crap a genocide denier in control of wikipedia. You should be ashamed of yourself. This is the UN genocide definition. A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively: Killing members of the group Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AP5xXIJatMQCwSqr0S5kYH2WUr5zlTMZ/view Forcible sterilization in finland and sweden https://www.visitnorway.com/typically-norwegian/sami-people/rebirth-of-the-joik/ "It is neither possible nor fair to tell the story of the joik without including a very dark chapter in Norwegian history. For centuries, the Sami culture lived under intense pressure from the Norwegian government. According to the Great Norwegian Encyclopedia, it started with missionary work in the early 1600s. For a long time, the Sami people weren’t allowed to speak their own language and were forced to learn Norwegian under strict assimilation policies." https://www.laits.utexas.edu/sami/dieda/hist/sami-west.htm "In Russia, the Sami were encouraged to give up their nomadic lifestyle, and accept the collective farming ideology of the 1930’s. Those who refused were sent to Solovets concentration camp. Stalin’s collectivization of the farmers lead to agricultural disruption, and the famine in 1932-1933" https://www.laits.utexas.edu/sami/dieda/hist/suffer-edu.htm "Another character describes her experience at a boarding school as one that was “branded into [her] forever” (Jenssen 1998). The novel states that some children in the schools “didn’t understand a word of what the teacher said” since only Norwegian was spoken (Jenssen 1998). These accounts illustrate the aggressive tactics used by the Norwegians (and the other majority cultures) to force the Sami into assimilating." https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/IPS_Boarding_Schools.pdf "From the age of 2 years, Northern indigenous children were forced to attend boarding schools where they were prohibited from speaking their languages. By 1970, no indigenous languages were being taught in schools." "The process of assimilation was targeted at Sami children, who were stripped of their culture and made to feel ashamed of their people at an early age." 1. stealing children. 2. banning language. 3. banning singing. 4. stealing land 5. forcibly sending to concentration camps 6. forcible sterilization of nearly 100k Sami. Here are some more incase you missed them. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55824347-myths-tales-and-poetry---from-four-centuries-of-s-mi-literature This book is published with the Sami university. https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/15848868-we-stopped-forgetting This is a book about Sami in america. https://www.britannica.com/place/Lapland http://languagehat.com/being-wrong-about-sami/ "you can just go to the frigging Wikipedia article and read “Sámi refer to themselves as Sámit (the Sámis) or Sápmelaš (of Sámi kin), the word Sámi" — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 21:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC) https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lapp Lapp [ lap ]SHOW IPA - Offensive. It's in the dictionary. It is not an opinion. https://www.visitnorway.com/typically-norwegian/sami-people/rebirth-of-the-joik/ "It is neither possible nor fair to tell the story of the joik without including a very dark chapter in Norwegian history. http://balticworlds.com/sweden-is-stepping-out/ "The film lets us travel in time to the painful years when she realizes that being a Sami person means that you are inferior, that you are weighed and measured like an animal, and that your chances of getting an education is almost equal to zero." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/07/swedish-museum-to-return-exhumed-skulls-of-25-sami-people "Eleven institutions still have remains of indigenous people, taken for controversial research" http://www.samer.se/2137 At the end of the 19th century racism raised its ugly head, and some alleged that the Sami “race” was inferior to the rest of the Swedish population https://www.jstor.org/stable/3804740 The presentation of Saami prehistory differs significantly between majority community museums and those run by Saami communities. 14 sources. Where are your sources? All your arguments are based in tired racist rhetoric. Find me sources that work with the Sami community or the University that backs up your "opinions." You are wrong. @WikiDan61: I plan on editing all of the Sami-related wikipedia articles I can find and then I intend to write an article on the objective truth of the Sami genocide. Take the genocide denial back and apologize right now. I know you are ignorant but now I have shown you. Apologize and take it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsSaminotLapp (talk • contribs) 21:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC) @ItsSaminotLapp: See, now you're starting to produce reliable sources. I don't have sources because I'm not the one who wants to change the page. The burden of proof is on you to provide sources for the changes you'd like to make. Forgive me for not be versed in the history of the Sami people. I do think your anger over the issue might well yet cloud your neutrality, but with reliable sources to work from, we can sort that out. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC) @WikiDan61: You need to apologize for denying the genocide of my people. Little is more offensive then telling an indigenous person they have not been the target of genocide. Of course I am angry. You should literally never do that again. I don't care if you don't believe it. You are ignorant and you don't know. I edited a post to stop calling me a Ni**er 10 times and you told me that was a point of view. You, like so many people before you, are telling an indigenous person what is offensive to them. Not only that, you deny the genocide of my people. Of course I am angry. Would you be angry if someone kept the N-word 10-15 times describing Africa and Africans? If someone like you denied the slave trade? Would that make African people angry? You deny the suffering of my people to my face without doing any real research. Then, you don't even apologize, you just pretend it didn't happen. Of course I am angry, and being angry does not make me wrong. Should I not be angry? Please, tell me; you have told me how to feel about genocide, how to feel about subjugation, how to feel about the N-word. Please tell me how I should respond to this? Please tell me how I should respond to you erasing thousands of years of my history? You insult me because you won't do any real research. How am I supposed to feel? Hello? @WikiDan61: you were really quick on removing my anti-racist edits, you were pretty quick to make incredibly racist claims, where are you now? I'm just going to keep pinging you. This is unacceptable. If you would like I can copy paste the rage of other Sami that I told about your actions. Not my words: I have to censor this. (quoting you first) ""It absolutely is an opinion that the "L-word is equivalent to the N-word." It absolutely is an opinion (or at the very least, an unverified accusation) that there was a genocide of the Sami people"" His entire first comment is just him making statements which are all factually wrong, but he proclaims to be f**king gospel or some sh*t while not giving a single reliable source to back up his claims. How the f**k can he say Sámi genocide is an opinion, and upon being disproven not even say sorry after proclaiming it is an absolute fact that there was a genocide of the Sámi people." The burden of proof is on you to prove your remarks, you corrected me, I did not correct you. You need to apologize. Do you work for Wiki? Do you have a supervisor? Can I try to get you fired for this? ItsSaminotLapp Good day and I come here in good will. I know nothing about Sámi people and I am an uninvolved editor of the page. I happened to stumble to your edits when I was working on counter vandalism work for I am one of the the counter vandalism and new page trainers in English Wikipedia. First of all welcome to Wikipedia and secondly, pls calm down. I understand you are a new editor who only started your first edit today (my time stated 2 March, 2021) - see your contribution log here. Therefore, there are many Wikipedia guidelines you are not familiar or have any knowledge of which is the common things among the new comers. As we are all new editors at one times, I understand new editors do need a lot of time to gain the info/knowledge and it is a steep learning curve as learning the Wikipedia basic policies and guidelines is like a Herculean task. However, in times by reading the guidelines and with the help or experienced editors you will get know what and how to edit also adhere to Wikipedia guidelines. User WikiDan61's actions, reverting your edits, are the right actions as per Wikipedia guidelines. See my explanation below: (1) Wikipedia core policy on verifiability - Wikipedia is all about verifiability (pls click on the blue highlighted text so it will lead you to the topics/info said/stated to familiar yourself with the guidelines). The editor who add/change the content of the articles need to provide source(s) to support the claim. The source need to be (i) indepedent from the subject and it also need to be (ii) reliable "published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish the opinions only of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves." such as from major newspaper or books - see WP:REPUTABLE. (iii) The editor also need to (responsibility) add/provide/inline citation the said source - see WP:BURDEN. Wikipedia is about verifiability and not the true - example: if the source state XXX has 3 children but in real life XXX has 4 children, we put 3 children on the article with source provided - pls see Wikipedia:But it's true!. The source provided (the particular web page) need to state the info as per claim (not these your provided above here 1 and here 1) and if the source is from books/journal, then particular page of the info claimed need to given as well. Thus info added without source can be removed from the page. Please use the horizontal format Template:Cite web for inline citation for web source. (2) Neutral point of view: Editors in Wikipedia need to adhere to adhere to WP:NPOV and also it need to adhere to due weight and WP:BALANCE " Neutrality assigns weight to viewpoints in proportion to their prominence. However, when reputable sources contradict one another and are relatively equal in prominence, describe both points of view and work for balance. This involves describing the opposing views clearly, drawing on secondary or tertiary sources that describe the disagreement from a disinterested viewpoint." Wikipedia guidelines, for such we are not allowed to provide our opinion or interpret the source the source in our own liking/bias view/what we think is write or wrong regardless how we think the source is bias or not. Please note we are all volunteer editors and we are anonymous for such the info added need to be from independent, reliable source but also need to be rephrased in condense matter from the source. Our opinion can be voiced in social media planforms but not in Wikipedia for Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. One of the Wikipedia five pillar is civility - see Wikipedia:Five pillars. We are all here to collaborate, support and helping each other. When there is an issue, such as content dispute among editors, we bring the issue to the article talk page and discuss the matter civilly. Comment on the matter and not the editor. Your comment on User WikiDan61 " You should be ashamed of yourself" "Can I try to get you fired for this" is not helpful and no constructive and please refrain yourself or such comments here on. Lastly and again, pls read all the links provided here and welcome message links to familiar yourself with Wikipedia guidelines. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~).. Cassiopeia(talk) 01:34, 2 March 2021 (UTC) @Cassiopeia: You are missing the point. This is not about the reverted changes to the article. This is about the denial of the genocide of my people. This is about being told I should not be offended by the worst slur that exists for my people. This is about this user being proved wrong and refusing to apologize for two of the worst things you can say to an indigenous person.— Preceding unsigned comment added by an unknown user 12:40, March 2, 2021‎ @ItsSaminotLapp: Again, Pls come down and read my message above. WikiDan61 has done nothing wrong and all they (in Wikipedia we use 3 person pronounce when we dont know the gender of the editor) did were reverted your unsourced and NPOV edits. If you dont provide independent reliable source, you edits can be removed. We dont know who you are and your people and even if we know, we (Wikipedia) still need the reliable source for your claim. You need to understand Wikipedia guidelines first and please understand nobody here is against you and this is not a social sites. There guidelines I dont agree with Wikipedia but it is the guidelines and it is supported by majority of the editors when it was set up and I will defense the guidelines even I dont agree with it. Please read the guidelines. Please add additional ":" (colon) from the previous message thread for one indentation to the right as it is the communication protocol in Wikipedia. Again Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~).. Cassiopeia(talk) 01:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC) @Cassiopia:. Telling an indigenous person that they were not the victims of genocide, and many other things someone should not say, while knowing literally none of their history, is not an appropriate or remotely acceptable thing to do. Telling me a country that has corpses of my people leftover from their "ethnic inferiority exhibit" does not put out propaganda is not appropriate. Telling me "I am free to be offended" by Ni**er is not appropriate. Telling me "I am free to be offended" when you call my homeland Ni**erland is not appropriate. "It absolutely is an opinion that the "L-word is equivalent to the N-word." It absolutely is an opinion (or at the very least, an unverified accusation) that there was a genocide of the Sami people" that is an unacceptable sentence.— Preceding unsigned comment added by an unknown user 12:59, March 2, 2021‎ @ItsSaminotLapp: Same message as per mine above. Again, please read the guidelines. Again please add additional ":" (colon) from the previous message thread for one indentation to the right as it is the communication protocol in Wikipedia. Yet again Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~).. Cassiopeia(talk) 02:05, 2 March 2021 (UTC) OK, @Cassiopia:, I am glad Wikipedia's official stance is Genocide Denial and that calling an African man Ni**er is not something to apologize for.ItsSaminotLapp (talk) 02:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC) @ItsSaminotLapp: Again Pls read my previous message and no more comments further. Cassiopeia(talk) 02:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC) @ItsSaminotLapp and Cassiopeia: I apologize for not replying sooner as I have been away from Wikipedia most of the day. Sami -- your claim that "the L-word" is equivalent to "the N-word" is clearly not a widely known fact outside of the Sami community, or Wikipedia would not be so likely to use it. I refer specifically to the Wikipedia page Talk:List of ethnic slurs/removed entries, where the entry on Lapp reads: "In Sweden normally used without derogatory intent but often taken as derogatory. Used widely throughout the world without understanding of its alleged derogatory nature." So, again, while you, as a Sami person, may well take offense at the term, the rest of the world does not use the term in order to give offense. Therefore, while you are free to make corrections to Wikipedia relying on reliable sources, you must also assume the good faith of your fellow editors and not engage in angry diatribes against them. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Strongly condemn your tampering with the entry

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Shashi city is different to shashi district.Are you a spy of the Communist Party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 霜晨旻雪 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

霜晨旻雪 Good day. I am a counter vandalism and new page trainer in English Wikipedia. I came arcos your Shashi City page and I have moved your Shashi City page to draft space - see Draft:Shashi City. Pls note that you need to provide multiple (3-5) independent, reliable source (sources that are not related to the subject and gov source is considered related to the subject) such as from the newspapers or books. When you have done that then submit the draft page for review. Secondly, pls note that you above warning is incorrectly used. I believe Shashi City is in Shashi District for such Shashi City was redirected to the district page. Even if the Shashi page was wrongly reverted page to the original redirect page, you should bring the discussion to the talk page and invite and inform WikiDan61 about the matter by providing independent, reliable source and not giving level 3 disruptive warning message or any warming messages in that matter. Lastly, communication among editors should be civil and do comment on the edits and not the editor. Thus your comment " Are you a spy of the Communist Party" is not appropriate here. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 02:42, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Restored party qualification

Hello, I restored the party qualification you removed. The page needs a minimal clarification on where this president stands on the common political spectrum. Social-democrat should be concensual enough. Yug (talk) 14:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Illyrian Page - Addition of Slavic theory

Hello Dan! I am sad that you undid the paragraph that I wrote, I understood that you want to discuss the topic, what kind of material do you need? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicodemusov (talk • contribs) 16:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@Nocdemusov: It would be better to hold this discussion on Talk:Illyrians, so I'll copy this discussion there. Your addition appears to be based on pre-20th century scholarship that has largely been rejected in favor of more modern, better-researched information. The existing material already mentions, and discards, the theory of equating Illyrians to modern-day Slavs, so your material runs directly counter to the rest of the material in the article. Your claim that the change in scholarship regarding the Slav-Illyrian identity was due to Austro-Hungarian politics is unsourced. Further, your claim that this claim of identity is being revived in the academia of Slavic countries is also unsourced. If you're going to make this claim, you'll need better sourcing. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Updating a Logo That I Own

Hello,

Myself and the other owner of California Storm are trying to update our logo on our page as the current one is outdated. Why is it being removed and replaced with the old one? I'm new to Wikipedia but I see plenty of other sports teams with their logo, so I'm not sure what to do.

Thank you.

SacSoccer123 (talk) 17:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@SacSoccer123: As I mentioned on your user talk page, corporate logos (including sports team logos) are copyrighted, with the copyrights belonging to the owner of the team. You loaded a full resolution image of the logo to Wikimedia Commons, which does not allow non-free-use images, so it was deleted. Wikipedia operates under a different set of rules than Commons, and does allow low resolution images of logos for identification purposes within articles. If the logo currently used on the California Storm team is incorrect, you may upload a low resolution (no more than 300 pixels) version of the new logo to Wikipedia (see Help:Uploading images), and you must tag the image using the {{Non-free logo}} tag so that the file will not be automatically transferred to commons. You must not claim copyright ownership of the image unless you are, in fact, the owner of the California Storm football team, in which case you'll need to follow directions for donating copyrighted material. On the other hand, do you really want to release your team logo under the copyright-free licensing of Commons, where anyone is free to take your logo and apply it to anything they like, as long as they attribute Commons user SacSoccer123 as the artist? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:18, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

apologise

sorry WikiDan61, my brother thought it would be funny while i was away, it wont happen again. I myself am trying to update local pages with their relevant information as of lately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FootballTillIDie (talk • contribs) 13:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@FootballTillIDie: "My brother did it" is not a well-received excuse here at Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Removal of edits regarding hydroxytyrosol

Hi, I and several others are finding that you and others are continually removing any content added for hydroxytyrosol. We are trying to enhance this page, so that it is useful for non-chemists. Please provide us a reason for this latest removal. We (myself and at least three others from different backgrounds) are close making a formal complaint for this conduct.

Hydroxytyrosol Health Studies

Hi Wikidan, what is your reason for deleting the paragraph on Health Studies? There is a wealth of review studies on the benefits of hydroxytyrosol. The citations are reviews from respected publications. Mimijoh (talk) 15:01, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I have now had the opportunity to speak to some others regarding your destructive editing. You will cease it now or we will move to ban you from Wikipedia. You must not delete peoples content in the way that you are doing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbtuk (talk • contribs) 15:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

We have decided to revert your destructive edit as the reason for its deletion is misleading and invalid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbtuk (talk • contribs) 15:07, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

We would prefer that you act in a reasonable manner and provide reasons for the wholesale deletion of other peoples content. If you cannot act in that way, then we (several authors that have encountered your acts) are prepared to start a formal complaint process. Please act to improve pages, not unilterally remove content of others.

ok, I now understand the edits that you most recently did. Please understand that there are several frustrated authors from this page. It seems as though there are a couple of individuals who only want this page to reflect the chemical properties of hydroxytyrosol, while the majority of users are interested in more mundane uses in food stuffs, medicine and the cosmetics industry. It seems a shame that there are hundreds of researchers around the world, working on the uses of hydroxytyrosol in a diverse range of applications, but that this page has historically been weak and continually refocussed back to a few chemical facts.

It would be helpful if in future edits, you provide more information about the reason for your edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbtuk (talk • contribs) 15:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jbtuk: @Mimijoh: Please calm down. All I did at hydroxytyrosol was to move some punctuation to a place before the citations (see MOS:CITEPUNCT) and to remove redundancy (your edits had added identical content and citations to two separate sections). I noted as much in my edit summary: Formatting: punctuation before citations. Also, remove redundant content. As for your frustration, I refer you to Talk:Hydroxytyrosol, where Boghog has noted that your content may not be citing sufficiently reliable medical sources, per Wikipedia guidelines. I recommend that you bring your issues to that talk page, and discuss the matter with the other editors. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

ok, my colleage got upset, because she'd tried to add something several times after never using Wikipedia before and every time it was deleted... I understand that she has now added some references as requested by the other editor. I perfectly understand that we need to maintain a high quality. I can see what you did and accept your explanation. Please accept my apology. I was wrong in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbtuk (talk • contribs) 15:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jbtuk: I still highly recommend that, rather than continuing to edit the article, that you engage in a discussion with the other editor(s) at Talk:Hydroxytyrosol. Making continued edits that have previously been reverted can be seen as edit warring, a behavior that can get you blocked (either temporarily or permanently). If you discuss your edits with the other editor, you may be able to find the proper solution to the issue. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

PS: Please remember to sign your talk page posts (using the four tildes: ~~~~). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your reply. I like to think that studies and health claims which have been approved by the EFSA are beyond discussion on Wikipedia. They are almost certain to be factual and they definitely have legal status in the EU and UK. If some other editor wishes to debate the validity of an EFSA health claim and/or to remove such a claim from Wikipedia, they should contact the EFSA or one of the eminent EFSA scientists directly, rather than unilaterally decide what is allowed. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to have this debate. According to my understanding of Wikipedia, there is no requirement whatsoever to have meetings with other editors when making such factual enhancements. I perfectly understand that sometimes, myself or my associates, who are not Wikipedia experts like yourself, will need guidance as to the best practice on how to achieve certain things. Your comments will be welcome. I would like to think though, that this type of thing would be done politely and in the spirit of 'making things better'. In particular, I do not believe that it is helpful to a new Wikipedia contributor, like my friend, to have their additions deleted when they are just trying to improve something. Perhaps a better response would have been to suggest a better way to do what she was trying to do. Hydroxytyrosol has hundreds of active researchers and I do not see why a Wikipedia page should be totally controlled by a small handful of people. By allowing others to contribute and allowing content other than just 'raw chemical facts', you will greatly improve that page. I expect that the reason why this page is currently so minimalistic is because a lot of researchers have grown tired of trying to contribute something and having it removed. It is a shame that the page for hydroxytyrosol, which is a very actively studied compound of major medical significance has so little information, when some 'food supplements' which have no medical evidence whatsoever have extensive material on Wikipedia. Best regards - I look forward to working with you. Jbtuk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbtuk (talk • contribs) 19:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jbtuk: You're missing the point here. I don't know about the EFSA or hydroxy-whatever; I know about Wikipedia guidelines. If you are having problems creating content on an article because other editors disagree with the content, contact those editors on the article's talk page. I can't help you here. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:25, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

ok, got it. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbtuk (talk • contribs) 20:27, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Existence of RPG Club at Pearl High School

Hello Dan, Here is the only resource proving the existence of RPG Club, please revert it back to my edit. The campus also recently gained a building I don't know how I would prove that but there is now an entire fine arts building on PHS campus - there was previously an announcement on the website but since then it has now come and gone. Thank you for trying to keep the Wiki clean but I find both of these very important and hope you can solve it. https://pearlpirates.instructure.com/courses/3954

My revert was more due to the addition of a sentence about a new arts building opening in 2021. I can find no source to verify that fact. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I would think a local news source would have covered the opening of an entirely new building at the local high school. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:07, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Your comment on the Mycoplasmataceae page

Hi,

I have updated the article to reflect the current knowledge in this field. Both this page and the page for Ureaplasma parvum cited sources that were no newer than 2012 - 2014. Given the pace of research on this subject, these sources are outdated and not representative of what has been discovered in the past 5-10 years.

I do understand how it is confusing that some sources say that it is a pathogen, while others do not. All recent sources published since the papers that were cited in the article before I edited it have labeled it as a pathogen. That's how science works. There was a body of evidence to support it being commensal, but now there is an even greater body of evidence associated with recent research and newer diagnostic techniques that points to its role as a pathogen in many human diseases. Whether or not to mention the past misconceptions about Ureaplasma in the article is debatable and it may be appropriate to call it a pathogen for clarity's sake.

The source I cited to support it being labeled a pathogen is a medical textbook, specifically Molecular Medical Microbiology. Per the description of this book: "Molecular Medical Microbiology was the first book to synthesise the many new developments in both molecular and clinical research in a single comprehensive resource. The molecular age has brought about dramatic changes in medical microbiology, and great leaps in our understanding of the mechanisms of infectious disease..." Precisely my point about the leaps and bounds that have been made since the sources cited by the previous version of the page Mycoplasmataceae.

This is akin to a review; thus a very high level of evidence supporting this claim. I am not experienced in editing wikipedia articles, this is my first one, but the lack of consensus with recent research struck me as too egregious an error to let stand. I don't know what constitutes an "expert" opinion, but if needed I can provide documentation of my relevant degrees and qualifications that make me qualified to make this assessment.

Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oflandandsea (talk • contribs) 02:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Give Me Liberty (2019 film)

Hi WD61. Thanks for your help with the article and the words of advise for the users editing it with regards to copyright/COI. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: All part of the wikignoming! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:52, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

isa ali ibrahim

I agree with you that an article should only present highlights. I will work on that... Also agree that the controversies section is removed entirely due to reasons stated inter-alia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullomayo (talk • contribs) 17:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Neo cryptocurrency page

I can understand your rewrite, sorry about that was only trying to improve the page and be factual, I will attempt to rewrite more neutrally and professionally, if you would like to double check that I have done it correctly later that would be appreciated :)

Intention of contribution

Hi, Sorry for the inconvenience that I have caused last time. I work intensely on research for more than 20 years but I never contributed to Wikipedia. Based on this fact I intend to contribute. In this sense, I would like to discuss with you step-by-step. Thank you for your support, I would like that the contribution to have an added value.

First of all in the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploratory_factor_analysis#Selecting_the_appropriate_number_of_factors

I would like to recommend a recent review type of paper published in one of the best journals in the domain.

Iantovics, Laszlo Barna, Rotar, Corina, Morar, Florica. (2019). Survey on establishing the optimal number of factors in exploratory factor analysis applied to data mining, Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Data Mining and Knowledge Discovery 9(2), e1294. https://doi.org/10.1002/widm.1294

Please let me know if you consider welcomed the mentioning of this review paper on the Wikipedia page. If you consider I can send to you even the review.

I would agree that the linked paper does appear to meet the criteria of WP:SCIRS in that it is a review of prior primary research, however I am not an expert in the field. I recommend you bring this discussion of your suggested source to Talk:Exploratory factor analysis; the readers of that article and its talk page are likely to be more expert than I at assessing the value of your new source. If you are one of the authors of this paper, I would recommend that you also review the guidance at WP:SELFCITE. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

THANKS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Hi, Thanks as I Ackonwledge your welcome message and it is so being here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exploremypcmacbook (talk • contribs) 19:51, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

No worries Dan, thank you for the advice! I appreciate the constructive criticism :) Chpiedra (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Christina

Help me

I am actually stucked in what should I write on Wikipedia , wether to make a new page or edit and make a page more informative , as you are using Wikipedia since long time can you assist me ? Please New Basti user (talk) 14:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@New Basti user: The only assistance I can give you is to try to explain to you why your edits were removed.

1. In several of your edits, you merely copied text verbatim from this bank blog. Copying text verbatim from other sites is a copyright violation and is not allowed.
2. Your other edits were not acceptable because they added an element of opinion (i.e. opining on the value of recurring deposit investments). I have already explained on your user talk page why this kind of editorializing is not acceptable on Wikipedia.

As to your question (whether to make a new page or edit an existing page to make it more informative): I would recommend that you do not create a new page simply to add content that you feel is better than the existing content. This is called a content fork and is discouraged. If you feel that the current recurring deposit page needs more or better information, I recommend that you discuss your proposed changes at the article's talk page and gain consensus from the community for the changes you think are needed. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

June 2021

Vandalism of Jojar S Dhinsa. If you wan't to list details of any companies Jojar Dhinsa is a shareholder or director then please provide evidence with relevent citations. BobBobster1 (talk) 15:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@BobBobster1: Your edits on the Jojar S Dhinsa amount to original research: because you have searched the UK companies registry and find no indications of Dhinsa listed there, you add content to imply that Dhinsa is not the entrepreneur the article makes him out to be. I have edited the lead to reflect Dhinsa's leadership of the Athlone Group with citations for the same. If you have concrete evidence that this is not legitimate information, please use the article's talk page to discuss the matter. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:36, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

If you would like to make him out as an entrepreneur then provide evidence such as regitration numbers and country of registration for the companies he is involved with. BobBobster1 (talk) 15:38, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@BobBobster1: Company registries are not the only sources for such information. I have provided sources; since you dispute the information, the burden of proof is on you to prove that these sources are false. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Company registrations prove beyond doubt a company exists (or existed), I have provided proof of 4 companies he has been involved with, if you would like to add any more, then please provide the same evidence. BobBobster1 (talk) 15:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@BobBobster1: Athlone Group is not registered in the UK. I have neither the time nor the ability to check the company registries of every country in the world. I have provided sources other than company registries that prove that Dhinsa is the CEO of Athlone Group. You have a burden of proof to prove that he is not. It is really quite simple. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

No, if you wan't to add Athlone Group to this page, YOU need to prove it exists, you have the burden of proof. BobBobster1 (talk) 15:53, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I've proven it exists with a citation to BDaily News. You need to provide proof that the writeup in BDaily News is false. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:01, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

You have proven nothing, all you have done is linked a news article that has no references, please conact the author of this publication to get the references to validate the article and your citation. BobBobster1 (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@BobBobster1: That's not how we work at Wikipedia. We rely on what the sources tell us. We rely on the fact that reputable publications will have done the fact checking. I see that you appear to have a bone to pick with this topic and that I'll need to get administrators involved. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:19, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

One thing to add is the reliability of BDaily News as they accept money for news articles https://marketing.bdaily.co.uk/products/featured-articles?variant=793100615689 BobBobster1 (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@BobBobster1: I'm done with this discussion here. I've brought the matter to the attention of the administrators and they can sort it out. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Jojar S Dhinsa page

Hi,

Sorry if this message is not in the correct place. I am new to WIKI (well new to editing, discussing etc, not reading pages) and have no idea how all this side of it works.

You seem to have made some accusations in a chat about the above page that my account may actually be an account set up by another user. I can assure you that is not the case. The email address I used to set up my WIKI account has been in existence for donkeys years, I'm not sure if proof of this can be obtained/provided to satisfied your suspicions?

Regards,

VoM — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirginOnMadness (talk • contribs)

@ViginOnMadness: The accusation was made based on the fact that the first edit you ever made on Wikipedia was to restore a contentious edit made by another editor. That is a suspicious behavior that will often raise red flags in the eyes of experienced editors. I have not yet filed a sock puppet investigation, so my accusation is just words so far. Should an investigation be opened, you will be informed and be allowed to defend yourself in the investigation. The age of your email account is not entirely relevant to the matter, however. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:50, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Asylum, Migration and Integration Fund

Dear WikiDan61,

Could you tell me where exactly was situated the close paraphrasing you talked about on the "Asylum, Migration and Integration Fund"? Is it really worth removing the entire content added to the page? The improvement of this page is part of a work for an economics course, we would like to know what to improve so that we can change it and repost the changes as soon as possible. Thank you for your answer!

Best regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by François Haulet (talk • contribs) 16:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@François Haulet: Surely.

• The 'Legal basis' and 'Achievements' section were closely paraphrased from this source.
• The other added sections ("EU Member States position", "Financial solidarity and European Funds", and "Budget") appear to be OK and can be restored.

Sorry for the overly-heavy hand. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

""Cheryl Savageau"" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect "Cheryl Savageau". The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 13#"Cheryl Savageau" until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Musicians' Clinic Article Page

@WikiDan61:

NOMC is trying to edit their article page. What can we do to update the information on this page?

Staciam2 (talk) 19:58, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

@Staciam2: If you are working on behalf of NOMC, you have a conflict of interest; please read and understand that linked article. Your edits have been largely promotional, and sourced only to the organization's own website. Rather than continuing to try to edit the article directly, I recommend that you suggest edits at Talk:New Orleans Musicians' Clinic. These suggested edits should only address factual errors. They should not reflect changes in style or tone because "NOMC prefers it that way." Wikipedia is not NOMC's private webpage, but rather should reflect what independent reliable sources have written about the organization.

Also, if NOMC is paying you to edit this article, you must disclose this relationship. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

New Adventures (dance company)

Hello!

I see you’ve removed an edit on the New_Adventures_(dance_company) page regarding the company’s productions citing that this information isn’t appropriate for an encyclopaedia.

The New Adventures’ body of work is a fairly significant part of British dance history and stylistically it has had a large influence on contemporary dance, with quite a few of the productions being part of school curriculum. Therefore the inclusion of the production names, influences to the work, synopses and creative teams would be prudent to include on the page, as these details offer historic facts into the works of the company and are reference points to people studying the topic.

Not sure why this has been removed as this is fairly standard across other cultural organisations listing productions (either all or ones that have been around for decades or have a wider catalogue citing the key ones). See examples such as Royal_National_Theatre#Notable_productions, Liam_Scarlett, Motionhouse#Productions and Royal_Court_Theatre.

Thanks in advance!

@Manci116:

@Manci116: If you can verify through the use of reliable sources that individual productions of the New Adventures dance company have become culturally significant milestones in the history of British dance, please do so. If individual contributors have been noted in those reliable sources, they can be noted here at Wikipedia. But the sources that I saw for your production list amounted to little more than performance announcements and individual show reviews; nothing that would verify the claim you have made here. Not that I doubt the claim you have made here, but the burden of proof is on you to support such a claim. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Hello! Thanks for your response! Slightly confused with the reasoning for removal now. The other industry examples I referred to do not cite sources for why the productions listed on the pages are ‘significant' or ‘notable' - in fact most of them do not cite any sources at all with regards to the productions listed. Whilst I mentioned the significance of the company in my message, it was really to explain why it is appropriate to include information about them on an encyclopaedia page, ie. this is the information people would be looking for and expect to find when looking up the company on Wikipedia. I don’t believe the page itself made claims to the significance of the works or the company itself, which is why the sources are relevant - historic information about when the events took place, the content of shows etc. If you don’t agree to relevance, would you agree that at least a bullet pointed list of production titles, a line regarding any source material and year of creation at least be deemed relevant to the context of the page? Ie. The Red Shoes (first premiere 2016) - based on the Powell & Pressburger film. Thanks!

@Manci116: Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. The existence of bad articles (or bad content in other articles) is not a valid argument for the retention of bad material here. I would agree with your reduced list of productions and production dates, but without full paragraph descriptions and full personnel lists for each production. Again, if a particular production was a significant milestone (either in the overall history of British dance, or in the career of one of its notable participants, that can be added as a sub-bullet. For example:

• The Red Shoes (2016)
  • Debut performance of <insert name of notable dancer here><add citation here>

GOCE June 2021 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2021 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, our first newsletter of 2021, which is a brief update of Guild activities since December 2020. To unsubscribe, follow the link at the bottom of this box. Current events Election time: Voting in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 16 June and will conclude at the end of the month. GOCE coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Have your say and show support here. June Blitz: Our June copy-editing blitz is underway and will conclude on 26 June. Drive and blitz reports January Drive: 28 editors completed 324 copy edits totalling 714,902 words. At the end of the drive, the backlog had reached a record low of 52 articles. (full results) February Blitz: 15 editors completed 48 copy edits totalling 142,788 words. (full results) March Drive: 29 editors completed 215 copy edits totalling 407,736 words. (full results) April Blitz: 12 editors completed 23 copy edits totalling 56,574 words. (full results) May Drive: 29 editors completed 356 copy edits totalling 479,013 words. (full results) Other news Progress report: as of 26 June, GOCE participants had completed 343 Requests since 1 January. The backlog has fluctuated but remained in control, with a low of 52 tagged articles at the end of January and a high of 620 articles in mid-June. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Tenryuu and Twofingered Typist, and from member Reidgreg. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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About Digital image processing revise on 14:08, 22 June 2021

Hi WikiDan61,

I am just a beginner and adding some information to image processing.

However, the editing was reverted. I want to check the reason so it can prevent me from some mistakes.

I give the revert information as below.

Revert added section. Insufficient context and no sources.

Thanks mandychad12

@Mandychad12: Your edit to Digital image processing added a section titled "Image denoising with Morphology" without introducing what "Morphology" is (I presume it's the title of a specific digital image processing software package). The section proceeds with the sentence Morphology is suitable for denoising images and the link between block and block. Structuring elements are important in Morphology. but it does not define the terms denoising nor does it explain what "the link between block and block" means, or what "structuring elements" are. Finally, the section provided no sources to verify this content. All in all, the section provided no usable information to the reader. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:39, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Light Dragoons

Hi - just wondering what i can do to make my edits to the Light Dragoons page more acceptable? Currently it is pretty out of date, and I want to update the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LD History (talk • contribs) 12:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

@LD History: Find a better source than wikia.org. Because that site, like Wikipedia, is edited by volunteers with no editorial oversight, it cannot be considered a reliable source. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:48, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Famous (rapper)

Hi Dan, I've read the guidelines and understand. Can you help me to add this photo to my profile, Famous (Rapper). You've currently got a photo of popular rapper Eminem. Thank you.

Here is the photo upload:

File:FAMOUS 2021.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thekidfamous (talk • contribs) 02:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Thekidfamous:  Done

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive

Hello WikiDan61:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is currently a backlog of over 2400 articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!

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Mikkeller Beer Edits

Hi Dan

Thanks for your notes regarding Mikkeller Beer. For sure, we made an error with a wrong link to an Instagram story and the Facebook link (though, we assumed that as a primary source given the nature of the content). We will re-edit the page as we do feel that Good Beer Hunting, as an award winning publication with a global team, that is recognised as such in the industry and abroad is an appropriate source. We also feel the Danish National Radio is a reputable source to reference.

In light of the fact GBH and Danish National Radio are widely considered reputable sources, both works deserves to be referenced. We encourage you to research both further. Maybe you personally do not like it - but they are recognised in industry - and we are happy to work to ensure they are recognised as such. For the articles we referenced, Good Beer Hunting clearly spoke with primary sources who also went on the record, and clearly made an effort to have response from Mikkeller, and included any response they got. Based on the link you have included regarding reliable sources, they certainly fulfil the criteria of GBH have also provided substantial evidence of their investigative process and documents in previous disputes Mikkeller has had with them so I am certain that are equally equipped this time to support their reporting.-

If you disagree, please provide media reporting guidelines or key examples of media who have different practices to those of GBH - because it seems quite obvious the reporting was primary and would have required verification on the publications side to legally publish.

Otherwise, for the sake of compromise, I am sure agree that the GBH and Danish National Radio are suitable for Wikipedia.

Many thanks

MBP

@MikkellerBeerProtests: I will grant that GoodBeerHunting may be a valid source, and certainly Danish National Radio is reliable. I still question your motives in creating such extensive content regarding the matter, given your clearly non-neutral username. I would recommend that you enter into a discussion at Talk:Mikkeller to discuss the changes you'd like to make, and gain consensus from the community. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: Fantastic, glad we can agree! We will only reference the discussed journalism and other similar outlets we were yet to publish whom meet the same standards. So a big thanks for your feedback. In regards to the name, we would rather legitmise our contributions of facts and be accountable for them. As we have done now. We did not want to hide it as it would impact credibility. Our motivations are much the same as yours: facts. That's why we have managed to agree on a compromise with you, a person who also cares about facts. New to Wiki, obviously, and thank you so much for making our first contested edit such a polite interaction with a great outcome for both parties.

@MikkellerBeerProtests: I suggest you take a look at WP:USERNAME. You appear to on the wrong side of WP:ISU and possibly other policies. If you intend to continue using your current username it would be helpful to clarify that only one person is responsible for your account. All the best, Tammbeck^talk 15:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC) (PS. To sign your talk page posts, type four tildes (~))

Hello,

OSFA wants to stay inline with what Wikipedia is looking for; we want to maintain your integrity. Perhaps requesting assistance with further edits is, in fact, the best way to ensure that.

I will educate myself further and will reach out in regards to any further textual updates.

Thank you, Lance

Amotz Plessner, 2nd deletion discussion

Hello, I noticed that you nomiated Amotz Plessner for deletion back in 2016. It was later recreated and proposed for speedy deletion but it was rejected. I created a second AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amotz Plessner (2nd nomination), because I believe he still doesn't meet GNG. I thought you might want to join the discussion. Throast (talk | contribs) 18:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@Throast: I'm going to skip this discussion, because this request feels a little bit like canvassing. I must admit that I'm confused though: didn't you vote to keep in the first AfD?? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't mean to canvas, I'm just trying to get people engaged who were involved. I also notified the page creator, but they don't seem to be active. I actually did vote to keep, though I have to say I was much younger and unfamiliar with a lot of very basic policies (still am to some extent but I do understand the importance of GNG). Throast (talk | contribs) 19:15, 26 July 2021 (UTC)