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Re 2013 NHL transactions VS 2014 NHL transactions

No worries, I was just acting according to the old ways. I'll defer to your judgment on this. Deadman137 (talk 19:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

2012-13 vs 2013-14

The inconvenience of having 2 June sections is irrelevant. The article should be based in reality, not in editor's convenience. You can easily add the year to the month if having 2 June's is unpleasing to you. Please do not revert this again. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 20:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

This is not about what's convenient to me. Where does it say this draft is the kick off for the 2013-14 season? It may be, don't get me wrong, but I haven't seen that stated explicitly. In fact I've seen the opposite (http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/page/calendar2013/2012-13-nhl-calendar). On top of that, having two June sections isn't a huge issue, but it does look worse and adds confusion. The way the NHL is structured, with regards to players (whether its contracts, transactions, buy-outs, salaries, years experience, etc.) is by the turn-over of SPCs on the scheduled date of July 1 (July 5 this year due to obvious complications to the schedule). To focus our transactions pages on the cessation of a player's contract vs the commencement of new player contracts is a reasonable structure.
Appended: Please do not target me or spin it like I'm just switching things up for my sole and selfish convenience. My previous reversion I did in discussion with Deadman137, who initiated editing this page and whose edits I reverted. -- Uncleben85 (talk) 20:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Your link at ESPN shows that it is part of the new season. It says "Important dates for the 2013 season" and includes Free Agency beginning on July 5. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 20:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It specifically says "2012-13 NHL calendar". It does indeed then go on to say "2013 NHL season", but that is not a thing in reality. There's the 2012-13 and the 2013-14 seasons, but no 2013 season and is obviously just being used as a short form. And it then mentions the commencement of free agency, but then stops there, which is what I am proposing. Let's end the current article at the commencement of free agency, as that is the turn-over of SPCs, which is technically what teams are trading - they trade the SPCs and the rights to the players, not an actual person. -- Uncleben85 (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

2013 NHL Entry Draft

I'm going to start adding players to Round 5. I'm just giving you the heads up so that we don't trip over each other's work. Deadman137 (talk) 05:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Re 2014 NHL Entry Draft/Arizona Coyotes

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I'm working off of the same sources that you are. I went ahead and made the change because it will likely be made official during this season and I just didn't want to do it later. Also you seem to be the only other person who even noticed the change. If there is some huge uproar about the Arizona change then I'll change it back, otherwise we may as well embrace the name change in the draft articles. Deadman137 (talk) 03:03, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries! We can leave it as is then Uncleben85 (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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List of National Hockey League awards

I had assumed it was the winner of the award, not the current holder. Thanks for fixing it. Please lease an wp:edit summary so that I and other understand why you reverted so it doesn't start an edit war. BTW: You left it with an error in the table causing two lines to be merged into one. I did fix this. Jim1138 (talk) 05:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: 2014 NHL Entry Draft edits

The reason that I removed the team nicknames from those edits was because they fell under previously traded picks which only feature team names when the Rangers or Islanders are involved.

Deadman137 (talk) 23:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Use this as an example:

1. The Winnipeg Jets' second-round pick will go to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on March 5, 2014 that sent Matt Moulson and Cody McCormick to Minnesota for Torrey Mitchell, a second-round pick in 2016 and this pick.

   Minnesota previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on July 5, 2013 that sent Devin Setoguchi to Winnipeg in exchange for this pick.

Under normal circumstances Minnesota is not mentioned in full because at this point they are just a team that once held this pick. The reason that you don't need to add the team (like the Canadiens) is that Florida is both the original and current pick owner, hopefully this makes sense. Deadman137 (talk) 20:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

NHL transactions

Feel free to use the term Arizona Coyotes now. Also are you just adding the trades to the 2013-14 article until the draft starts? Deadman137 (talk) 20:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Apologies on the Entry Draft nonsense

I figured the link was a simple oversight. I honestly could care less about what date conditional trades get made when sorting the table, I just figured for consistency it made sense to sort the conditional picks by team granting the pick as that is how they are sorted when confirmed. Deadman137 (talk) 05:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Re:See this is why I like working with you, we both bitch off about something minor, the other person explains the reasoning for why we are doing what we are doing and the other person is like, okay seems reasonable. Deadman137 (talk) 15:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Staff compensation

I hope that you don't mind, but I took the liberty of updating what compensation each team received on the relevant transaction articles. At this point there are only three of these situations left to sort out. Deadman137 (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Re: Draftees Based on Nationality

I don't have the patience to do the state/province table.

On an unrelated note, you do know that there are better (than twitter) links on the team webpages for some of the minor draft pick transactions from the weekend? You could also find them in the '16 and '17 draft articles. Deadman137 (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Re Re: I calculated your numbers and they also add up to 141 North American players, so our base total is correct. I'll go through it tomorrow and see where the discrepancies are. Deadman137 (talk) 02:27, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The numbers are all accounted for now. One Alberta player was mistakenly in the Missouri column so that brings the total up to 87 Canadian players using the provincial/state table and the two unaccounted for Canadians (using the provincial totals) are Chychrun and Day which matches the Nationalities table total of 89. Deadman137 (talk) 01:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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No problem. Figured it would be best to have more than one updating that list. Rusted AutoParts 23:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Re: "Unresolved conditional draft picks" Sorting

There is a hidden note on the table. Obviously the round that the pick is in is the first sorting criteria. The second sorting criteria is alphabetical order of team grating the pick, it's more consistent with the rest of the article content as the confirmed trades are sorted this way. Deadman137 (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

David Moss

Apparently he retired yesterday, I didn't add it to the article because I wasn't sure how you wanted to handle it. Deadman137 (talk) 23:44, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. Deadman137 (talk) 00:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

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2016–17 NHL transactions

I'm writing in regard to this edit. How is you source for Noesen's signing more "neutral" than mine? NJ.com is not run by the Devils so your reason for that change is silly. Moreover, your link doesn't even work, and that's another reason for restoring the earlier reference. Sabbatino (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

RE: Royal Rumble

I'm just adding them as a precautionary measure. Yes, I know the cruiserweights of 205 Live also compete on Raw, but they are labelled differently from the rest of the Raw Roster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OfficiallyGoodenough (talk • contribs) 02:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Alfred Jewel

Thanks for your edit to Alfred Jewel. Please could you add a citation for the claim. — Rod ^talk 07:48, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Bickell

Technically, since the Hurricanes missed the playoffs, isn't Bickell's season (and thus career) over? Rusted AutoParts 02:46, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I think it would be save to hold off till tomorrow. NHL will likely publish an article about Bickell's retirement that can be used. Same with Shawn Thornton, who threw his skates in the trash after the Panthers last game. Rusted AutoParts 03:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Staff Compensation

We're done dealing with any more staff compensation picks. The conditions on the last one have been determined and have been dealt with in the 2015–16 transactions article. Deadman137 (talk) 18:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I admittedly forgot about, so thanks for doing that Deadman137! –uncleben85 (talk) 18:44, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Your edit war with Sabbatino

I suggest you just give up. If you haven't realized by now, Sabbatino's opinion is supreme, and no one else's opinion matters. It must be his way. Must! Must! Must! He is all-powerful, all-knowing, and he has been given some bullshit editor powers that can make the wikipedia lives of the rest of us just hell if we don't tow his line. Give up and just accept it when he reverts your edits.BumbleBum (talk) 04:44, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Did I mess up somewhere? Did I not repeat multiple times that I understand Toninato and Walker were unsigned and that that wasn't my point, but that my point was the NHL views unsigned prospects as part of an organization? I tried to repeat myself and be clear, and tried to show relevant CBA articles and precedents, but I guess that's how it goes sometimes... –uncleben85 (talk) 04:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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Quick heads up

The conditions on the 1st or 2nd in the Evander Kane trade is much uglier than you have listed in the transaction article. Deadman137 (talk) 06:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Deadman137 Thanks! I've heard conflicting reports about both of being contingent on Kane re-signing and on Stanley Cup performance... Hoping to find something more clarifying... Do you know xl ever the conditions are? –uncleben85 (talk) 00:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I was able to piece it together using the trade summary from the league, the Mercury article and Pierre LeBrun's twitter feed (yes I used someone's twitter account for information). It would be such a simple deal if not for the lottery protection; it is possible that the 1st is only protected if it's in the 3 or 10 picks like we've seen in other deals. So far all I've been able to find out is what is written in the draft article about it being lottery protected, which is any of the first 15 picks for non-playoff teams. I'll keep looking for more information but I'm not going to change anything unless someone can find a more detailed source. Deadman137 (talk) 13:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:2018–19 NHL transactions

If you want to have a binding conversation about changing the season start date then consider starting an RfC. I don't think that whatever the result is, that it would be in any way controversial. Deadman137 (talk) 16:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Was really unsure about how to get a conversation started!–uncleben85 (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Free Agency

Good luck today. It’s gonna be a busy one I can feel it. Rusted AutoParts 14:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Haha thanks bud! Gonna be a crazy one. Alright started some prep on my sandbox even! –uncleben85 (talk) 14:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Karlsson conditions

The league has the full breakdown on their site and I've added what I can at the moment to the draft articles. Deadman137 (talk) 20:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Deadman137, that'll come in quite handy!–uncleben85 (talk) 20:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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Anaheim/Vancouver trade

You are technically right that the league announced the trade after midnight in the Eastern time zone, however keep in mind that the teams involved in the transaction are located three time zones west. So out there the trade was actually announced on the previous day (I know that you understand this, I'm just busting your chops a little). Honestly I really don't care which way this works out, but sometimes in the past we have differed to the earliest date of the transaction in the locations involved in the deal. Deadman137 (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm fine with that, if you are. At least you were willing to talk about it, haha. Because it is spread out across multiple timezones though, the League does use EST (where it's headquarters is) for official records. But I do get your point. For the teams/players involved it was the 16th. I think that does leave a little grey area/subjectivity when you get a trade that straddles two time zones though - like if Detroit and Chicago make a trade at 12:30 EST and 11:30 CST, or more extreme, Florida and Vancouver make a trade at 1:30 EST and 10:30 PST. –uncleben85 (talk) 14:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry UB, just seeing this thread on your page here now (just undid you undo of my change). I'm going off of what Deadman has noted above, but also that all three press releases (Canucks, Ducks, and NHL) use January 16 as the date. Because we don't know exactly when the paperwork was submitted to NHL head office, that's what I think we have to go on. The paperwork could very well have been submitted prior to 9:00 pm Pacific (midnight Eastern) considering how close after 9:00 pm the trade was announced, but we just can't know that for sure. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 20:11, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

All releases say January 17 for me! It's not a big deal, I won't push it anymore, but I do think it makes sense to have it standardized to avoid these confusions, haha. Thanks for reaching out Nurmsook!! –uncleben85 (talk) 18 January 2019

Ah yes, seeing that now. When I set my computer clock to Eastern time, I also get Jan 17 as opposed to Jan 16 when it's set to the usual Pacific time. I wonder if it's worth having the NHL transactions page based in Eastern time, similar to how we have all times on the Stanley Cup playoffs page listed in Eastern (even when it's two Western teams playing), and then individual team pages based on the timezone that they're located in. As long as there's a note saying all transactions are based on Eastern time somewhere, I think that would work well for the transactions page anyways. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 17:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm... yeah! That could work. Did you imagine a public note, or a note hidden in the source, with "<!-- -->"?–uncleben85 (talk) 04:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Brandon Montour trade

(I'm a monster for even mentioning this). Technically the picks in this trade are 2019 or 2020 because both of them are lottery protected in 2019. I'm not going to bother adding this to the 2020 draft article as it would take a miracle for San Jose to miss the playoffs this year. Also, I don't even want to attempt to try and figure out tonight the wording that would be required if one or both of these teams got their hands on one of the three lottery picks. Deadman137 (talk) 04:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh jeez. This is potentially very complicated...

As it stands:

If San Jose makes the 2019 playoffs, their 2019 1st-round goes to Buffalo, and their 2020 first-round pick goes to Ottawa.

If San Jose does not make the 2019 Playoffs, (according to ProSportsTranscations) San Jose can choose to give their 2019 or 2020 pick to to Buffalo, however, San Jose then traded that conditional pick conditionally in the Karlsson trade such that they have to give their 2020 1st-round to Buffalo and their 2019 first-round to Ottawa in this scenario, and their choice is nullified...

Additionally, if St. Louis' 2019 1st-round pick is outside the top 10, it goes to Buffalo, but if it is inside the top 10, then St. Louis' 2020 first-round goes to Buffalo.

So that leaves Buffalo with either San Jose's 2019 or 2020 1st, as well as either St. Louis' 2019 or 2020 first.

And then, Buffalo traded one of those conditional firsts, conditionally...

Buffalo will trade their San Jose pick (either 2019 or 2020) to Anaheim if Buffalo gets St. Louis' 2019 pick, but it is below pick 20.

Anaheim will have a choice between San Jose and St. Louis' pick if Buffalo get's St. Louis' 2019 pick, and it is pick 20 or above. (The choice 99.9% likel being Anaheim taking the better pick.)

What if Buffalo gets St. Louis' 2020 pick? Is it just San Jose's pick, regardless of year? Or is it still Anaheim's choice, since anything in 2020 is technically later than pick 20 in 2019..? Or... if both picks are in 2020, do the same conditions apply, for simplicity sake: 1-19, Anaheim gets San Jose's, and 20-31, Anaheim gets the choice??

Sorry for this mess... consider me thinking out loud, hahaha–uncleben85 (talk) 05:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Now you understand why I hope that both San Jose and St. Louis make the playoffs and clear out most of this mess. Deadman137 (talk) 15:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Player movement out of the NHL

Hey. I seem to be at lost regarding the players' movement out of the NHL. If "Player X" signed a contract with "Team A" of non-NHL league on April 20, 2019, then his transaction should be listed in the 2018–19 or 2019–20 NHL team's page? – Sabbatino (talk) 06:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

So far, we've been keeping everything in the page of the year it happened in, not the year it necessarily affects. So a player signing a contract on April 20, 2019, even if the contract is for 2019-20, would be in the 2018-19 page. Also as of right now, we only have an imports section, which itself is relatively new (I think I started it in 2017-18, and then went back and filled in the few seasons before that, as best as I could), but we do not have an exports section for players moving out of the NHL to other Leagues. I would be open to including an exports table, I just find those are a little harder to nail down (would take a lot of combing through eliteprospects), as a lot of the info isn't actually publicized, especially for smaller leagues, or only done so on foreign language sites or in more obscure news sources/more twitter, etc.–uncleben85 (talk) 14:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Some of the 2018–19 and older season ages confused me since it seems there are inconsistencies regarding the moves to other leagues. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Where there any inconsistencies in particular? Hopefully I can either help clarify why they were put there, or we can fix it if need be. –uncleben85 (talk) 12:37, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Various teams' 2018–19 pages had players listed, who moved to other leagues, while the 2017–18 season was not over, but I have already fixed them. What I really want to know is when does the new league year start. At the conclusion of the NHL Awards' ceremony or on draft day? – Sabbatino (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

According to the CBA, July 1, at least with respect to contracts and player transactions. My vote is to start the 2019-20 Transaction page on July 1, 2019. –uncleben85 (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

If regarding the transactions then yes, July 1 is the start. But that does not explain why the trades from, for example, the 2018 draft are in the 2018–19 pages. I can vaguely remember from the discussions in the past (at this point I do not exactly remember where they took place so it is either the project, articles' and/or editors' talk pages) that the cutoff was after the NHL awards ceremony, which would justify why the trades from the draft are in the new season's page. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Our articles have the arbitrary cutoff of the draft; draft day is when we've started the new page in the past. There's literally no point to it, and I've been one of the biggest advocates to change that, been have essentially been told "but that's what we do"... But I do agree that all transactions should be on one page. I don't think we should have a signing from May 25 on next year's page, but a trade from May 26 on next year's, for example.

In my opinion, the cutoff should be after the awards ceremony as has been done with the teams' season pages. I mean, the season is officially over when personnel are presented with the awards and the next day is a new start and everyone starts from zero. But of course this is just my own opinion and this matter should be taken to WT:NHL. – Sabbatino (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I can totally see that logic as well! I like July 1, because it's pretty much the only date listed in the CBA and it stays consistent, unlike the draft or awards, and, in top of that, it's a new month so you dint have to have two sets of Junes in each page (a small gripe, but I think it is a little friendlier to the user). Please do start a talk! I had resigned myself to not drumming it up again this, because I do pretty much every year, and every year nothing happens! But I won't feel as guilty if someone else brings it up, haha

NHL season transaction pages

Heya, first of all want to thank you for the work you put into the transaction pages, its often where i find myself in order to update player pages so very much appreciated.

I'm aware over the years the issue of starting new seasons has been ongoing and i have read the talk page of the 2018–19 nhl transactions to see you intend to roll over to the 2019–20 season on July 1 due to contract reasons.

However, i've noticed NHL.com has unveiled a 2019–20 Trade tracker, starting with transactions from June 14, so i think this should be properly considered as to keep the transaction page consistently in line?

I agree to add the import signings that you have already put in the 2019–20 page on July 1, but i think the retirements trades and buyouts from June 14 an onwards should be moved to the 2019–20 page for it to reflect the NHL's position. Thoughts?

Cheers Triggerbit (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

That, I can get behind. There's an official NHL commentary on that date, and it make sense to have the Stanley Cup winning game be the las day, even if it changes from year-to-year. I still like July 1, as it is a fixed date, and it makes the most sense for what I focus on, transactions, but I would support a June 14 date, more than a draft-related date. A Stanley Cup-relate date would, at the very least, not split the buyout window... That said, there is a lot of inertia behind the draft being the first day of the new season, on here. It'll be an uphill battle, but I'd back it, if we can't get July 1. Also, thank you very much for the kind words! I love working on this stuff, and I am glad its a go-to place for you! –uncleben85 (talk) 13:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry if I am a little late to comment on this but if either of you want to propose moving the start date of the transactions up to around shortly after the end of the Finals or the day after the Cup gets handed out, I would support that. The likely hood of moving the date to July 1 is probably never going to happen. The main debate point a proposal like this would face is in regard to the NHL awards taking place after the season has technically ended, but if that could be navigated this could be doable. In order for this to work, a cohesive agreement would need to be worked out before presenting this to a larger group. If that can be worked out here, there is a decent chance that this could go through. Deadman137 (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Citations for draft pick only trades

If you're looking for decent citations for these trades you'll need to go to a team website to find one as the league did not publish their usual day two summary listing all of these trades. If you don't want to work too hard, you can take what you need from the draft article as I did find citations for all of those deals. Deadman137 (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Deadman! I haven't had a whole lot of time this year, so I just went with the already aggregated links on the NHL Trade Tracker, until I (or whoever) could pull better ones together! That's great to know you have them on the draft page though, that'll help a lot! –uncleben85 (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

As always thank you for your help on the free agent additions. Not as hectic as I anticipated but was at least nice to know someone else was there to keep the table updated. Rusted AutoParts 00:49, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes! And thank you to you, too! Sorry if I stepped on your toes a couple times with conflicts, haha, but it was a huge help having someone else there to keep track of it all!–uncleben85 (talk) 00:57, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Not a problem!

Just some confusion on my end with the Hakanpaa stuff. Just trying to help out when I can! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IKnowHowToSpeak (talk • contribs) 05:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

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2020 Stanley Cup Finals

There is no rush on this request, but if you get a chance could you copy and paste the citations from the transactions article into this article for any players that were traded to or signed by the Lightning or Stars this past season? Deadman137 (talk) 05:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure can! –uncleben85 (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

2020 Draft

Hey, do you want to pull double duty and put the names in for about 30 minutes? Deadman137 (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Sure thing–uncleben85 (talk) 17:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Deadman137 Back? –uncleben85 (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, though I'm trying to get the trades fixed up, you know the usual fun of day two. Deadman137 (talk) 18:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank God, hahaha... Madness! –uncleben85 (talk) 18:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to take what you want from the draft article for citations. Still haven't found anything yet on the Ducks/Blue Jackets condition yet. Deadman137 (talk) 06:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I was using the twitter ones until I found something better. That's great. And yeah, I figure it's just at their discretion, but haven't found anything on it yet either!–uncleben85 (talk) 12:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Free agency

Good work today. Was relatively lax in comparison to other years lol. Rusted AutoParts 03:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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Quick heads-up

Keep an eye on the Habs/Flyers deal as Montreal has/had two 7ths in 2022. Deadman137 (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Nice catch. We'll see how that develops...–uncleben85 (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Pick 91

Heads up, before the trade between Carolina and Chicago, the Blackhawks had three picks in the third round in 2022. Deadman137 (talk) 21:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137:Thanks, CapFriendly has it as CHI's own, but worth keeping an eye on, if they change that.–uncleben85 (talk) 21:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm doing the same thing for now just as a placeholder, plus there's a 33% chance of being right. Deadman137 (talk) 21:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I should also mention that we can keep an eye on this with this [1] link. Chicago is pretty much the only team that does this. Deadman137 (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

That is so handy, why don't all teams do that! haha–uncleben85 (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Good news, the pick traded in 22 was Chicago's own pick. The Flames used to have a useful list for pick tracking as well, but it went away when the league had all the team websites designed by the MLB firm. Thankfully the NHL records site has the exact same style of table that the Flames' site used to have.

We'll also have to keep an eye out on the Vancouver/Winnipeg trade as the Jets had two 3rds. Deadman137 (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Could you help me?

If you have any knowledge of the subject, could you help me update pages about Liiga (finnish first-tier league in hockey) teams. They are very old and rosters outdated. KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 21:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@KRANKENWAGEN:I can't commit to the whole project, but I can help out. It really is outdated. Our safest bet is to go through eliteprospects–uncleben85 (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Im already using Elite Prospects. It's a great website. I have had to create tons of free accounts to not run out of free page views :D KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

One option i sometimes used for roster updates when i updated Ässät roster was their homepage. It can be hard to understand for some people since finnish is just gibberish KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Weird, my free account I can use as much as I want... I have updated the main Liiga page. What were you thinking was priority? Rosters?–uncleben85 (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Team rosters and the important things, just updating i guess. Maybe create some player pages but i can do that. KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 23:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

My player pages are not the best quality though.-KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 23:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I will continue later, im going tp sleep because it is 2:45 am. -KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 23:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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@Rusted AutoParts: Cheers indeed, that was wild! That's gotta be the most signings on Day 1, ever! Thanks so much for your help!–uncleben85 (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

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Eichel deal

TSN has the conditions up on their site. Deadman137 (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• @Deadman137: Thanks! I was cycling through all of the insiders' twitters to see if any of them would drop the details. CapFriendly pulled through, but, yeah, it matches TSN's update!–uncleben85 (talk) 14:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Your welcome, I figured that you had probably been keeping an eye on it (as I had been too) since the initial report broke. Deadman137 (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hey, thanks for adding the American hockey roster. We do not use templates anymore, we simply put them into the roster article and transclude it to the (needed) articles. See the women's roster(s) for example. Kante4 (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Tranferred all the data from the template into the article –uncleben85 (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks (you only need to empty the template and request a deletion). I inserted the roster for the United States at the 2022 Winter Olympics article. If you check the women's roster, that roster "build-up" is/was used also for the last WC's. So, no birthplaces and just the head coach, what do you think? (See 2021 IIHF World Championship rosters, 2019 IIHF World Championship rosters and so on...) Kante4 (talk) 08:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't like any of that, hahaha! But I will defer to consensus, no problem–uncleben85 (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

:D And i do not like the other way. ;) I just followed what was used the last years at the WC, where no one changed it (women and men). Just overkill for me. Kante4 (talk) 21:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Chiarot trade

The first in the deal is conditional from an earlier Florida trade with Buffalo. The fourth is the same one from the Vatrano deal earlier today. Deadman137 (talk) 01:55, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Deadman137! Super helpful as always! (And reading that back, I hope that doesn't come off as sarcastic, in text, because I genuinely mean that, haha)–uncleben85 (talk) 02:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

It came off the way it was intended. Plus we've helped each other out on these for many years with all of these conditional deals, so sarcasm would be a little odd in that situation. Though at this point, I'm not sure if the trade conditions are getting worse or teams are just very cautious in moving assets. Deadman137 (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

'22 Trades

Hamonic citation is up on Canucks site. Still waiting on details from Giordano trade (as I'm sure you are too). Deadman137 (talk) 19:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Watch the Dermott deal as Vancouver has three thirds over the next two drafts (2 in 22 and 1 in 23). I'm thinking the Giordano deal is likely a three team deal given the length of trade call. Deadman137 (talk) 20:51, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

So, looking like VAN 2022 3rd for Hamonic; WPG 2022 3rd for Dermott; and TOR 2022 2nd, TOR 2023 2nd, TOR 2024 3rd for Giordano. That what you're getting, too?

Yep, that's only thing that the sources are telling me and it checks out with my cross-referencing. Plus, usually when a team reports that the pick was traded, I'll take that as true. Deadman137 (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Keep an eye out on the McBain trade. Minnesota reported it overnight on their site, but the league and Coyotes haven't posted anything. The 2nd in the deal is from Vancouver. I'm waiting for confirmation from the latter two before doing anything. Deadman137 (talk) 14:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, I saw it confirmed just after I wrote this. Deadman137 (talk) 14:49, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

2nd in Fleury deal is Minnesota's, so that deal is complete. Ottawa/Boston trade has one complication, Ottawa has two 7ths in 22. Deadman137 (talk) 18:04, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Deadman137: Been hearing (minor) mixed messages on the Fleury conditions: "4 wins", "4 game appearances", and "4 games finished". Not sure what you've heard!

It's four wins. [2] Use this for Copp deal, it's ugly. Deadman137 (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, that's what I settled on too. Lol, it really is ugly. Expensive, too–uncleben85 (talk) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Domi deal is a three team deal with Florida in the middle. Dadonov trade is unknown at this time. Deadman137 (talk) 22:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

As if this day could any longer, I hid the Dadonov trade in both the draft article and the transaction one as well, as the trade is now in dispute. If it goes through I'll remove the formatting and reinstate the information, if the trade is voided we'll have to remove it. Either way we'll be waiting until the league rules on the matter. Just wanted to give you a heads-up as to why I did this. Deadman137 (talk) 03:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

2022 NHL Entry Draft

Thanks for adding the Minnesota compensatory 2nd round pick and updating all of the pick numbers. I know how tedious that task can be. Deadman137 (talk) 01:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey! Not a problem, I was actually hoping it would help lighten your work! Feel free to tweak any formatting or wording with the MIN compensation–uncleben85 (talk) 02:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

It did lighten my workload that night. No worries on me tweaking the formatting, I had already done that before I thanked you. Deadman137 (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Is there any chance that you could cover for me and enter some of the early picks during the opening round tomorrow night? I won't leave you high and dry all night, but I will be tied up for a bit. Deadman137 (talk) 02:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

You got it, friend!–uncleben85 (talk) 13:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Still cannot help with the picks yet, might be able to help with some vandalism. Deadman137 (talk) 23:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm finally in a position to be useful. Thank you for covering and doing as much as you did. Deadman137 (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

How are you so fast? Hahaha, I had the last two primed, and you still beat me on both! I'll let you take over the rest. P.S. I've been tracking the nationalities/provinces and states for Round One –uncleben85 (talk) 02:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Flyers have 3 3rds in 23, so keep an eye on it. Deadman137 (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Yep. Sitting on it until we know more. –uncleben85 (talk) 15:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Conditional - lowest of the three. Deadman137 (talk) 15:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Transaction articles

Hey, we've got a bunch of new transaction articles from the 70s that could use some clean up on the Wikilinks and the citations. Any chance that I could get you to give them a look over and fix any formatting issues that you find? I have previously talked with the editor that is working on both the draft and transaction articles as they are a little green and I wanted to give them some pointers so it wasn't a total disaster. I made the executive decision to let them keep working and fix the small errors that come up as they go, as I would rather see the work get done for that era than stop someone who is doing a lot of work that I don't have much desire or time to sort through. Deadman137 (talk) 23:43, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, for sure! Where should I start?–uncleben85 (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, they all need tidying so it really doesn't matter which one you want to start with. It looks like there are now some transaction articles that go back to the early days of the league as well. For now let's just focus on the ones from the 70s, once those are done we can figure out what to do next. Ping me here or leave a message on my talk page if you need anything. Deadman137 (talk) 14:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

2022-23 NHL Transactions

Perhaps you can answer this for me since you add the most content to the transactions pages. Why are the trades listed from the 2022 NHL Entry Draft listed in the 2021-22 NHL transactions? Shouldn't they be in the 2022-23 NHL transactions?? Conyo14 (talk) 16:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The 2022-23 season doesn't roll over until July 1st, the start of free agency (this year that date was pushed back to the 13th due to COVID). That opening of free agency is when bonuses are (typically) paid, no trade lists are (typically) due, contracts end, contracts begin, the new cap number is applied, etc. And as this page is about transactions, ie. the maneuvering of player's contracts and rights between clubs, any contracts moved before that start of free agency, is technically the old contract moved, or, currently, the 2021-21 contract being moved. You can see here: https://www.nhl.com/news/2021-22-nhl-trades/c-289968698 that even the NHL views all trades today as part of the 2021-22 season, and that the 2021-22 "trade" season started last year at free agency as well.–uncleben85 (talk) 17:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Then why does 2020–21 NHL transactions trading list at the same time as the 2020 NHL Entry Draft dates? I think it perplexes me that this is inconsistent with other transaction pages. And yes the trade tracker does indicate the trades are listed for the 2021-22 season. However, it appears there is no consistent point at which the NHL states all trades from this date onward count towards the upcoming season. As stated in prior articles, trades can be made with players prior to free agency, so shouldn't those trades then be allocated to the prior season as to provide consistency between articles? Conyo14 (talk) 17:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Because shifting the date has been petitioned in the past and the response is effectively, "but this is how it has always been done". This year, I put it to the Ice Hockey Project talk and had no dissent and was willing to do the work and make the change, so I am. It makes WAY more sense than the arbitrary draft-start. I don't mind going back and altering previous articles if needed, consistency makes sense. But can only do so much at a time, so for now there's a transition point where this one article has two draft-days of trades.–uncleben85 (talk) 17:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate the information! One thing to keep in mind is that the official NHL Trade Tracker is relatively new (at least since the NHL made their website changes in 2015). So, going back it appears that most trades listed on the tracker are done so at an arbitrary date. Even the third party nhl trade tracker is quite inconsistent at its start dates. Since there are no references to prove a start date for transactions beyond the playoffs pause, I'd say go for it. At least Wikipedia can be consistent about this issue.Conyo14 (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

That's not how it goes, @Conyo14: the draft is the start of the new league year. Nobody bothered to interact in the proposed change last month because it has been a settled discussion for many years. Deadman137 (talk) 18:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

There's literally no reason for the draft as the start. It makes no sense. If you oppose, then engage in the proposal. –uncleben85 (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

You are partially right, it probably shouldn't be the draft, it would be better to move it to the end of the playoffs now that the NHL awards are done during the Finals. You'll never get the support that you need to move it to the start of free agency. Every attempt that you have made to do that in the past has been defeated and this wouldn't be any different. Deadman137 (talk) 18:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

There has either been indifference and split decision (5 different people want 5 things, so nothing gets done about it). But it's never been done on full-scale like I did today (which you seemingly waited all day for me to finish working on), and reverted or "defeated". Draft Day is the worst day. Even settling on another day is fine, but I can't see any reason to not put it on Free Agency and have never been given a reason why not other then, "that's not how it's done" or "we said no". A July 1 start (theoretical Free Agency) is also a lot cleaner than any other day where you would have a given month split across two articles, and repeats of months within a same article that need disambiguations by years in the subheadings. I get its a lot of work, but you have a literal volunteer to do it and make the articles cleaner, more streamlined and more accurate/inline with how the NHL actually runs. –uncleben85 (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The unfortunate part is that when no agreement exists in a dispute the previous arrangement is what determines consensus and that is why this hasn't changed and it probably won't. You do have clear dissent at this point and you will be required to revert your recent edits to previously agreed to standards. I don't like doing this to you, but we do have standards for a reason whether we agree with all of them or not. I don't like everything that we have to abide by, but I don't see the need in wasting time on things are not that important. Deadman137 (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry if I misread your intention in your previous comments and edits. But I also wouldn't even call it an agreed to standard. There have been other editors who have questioned it to, and the current system is just a default that has no grounds or reason, it just hasn't been changed. I wouldn't be flying in the face of any standards, just changing the default, and I don't see why anyone would waste time on defending or protecting the inferior, messier, more confusing, less accurate "standard" that exists, when it's not that important, anyway. –uncleben85 (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Alright I have opened the topic back up on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive80#NHL_Transactions_start_date. @Deadman137: This time we are going to have a firm consensus on this. I have no opinion on this, but I want an answer so I can find the trades that happen on draft day. Conyo14 (talk) 19:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Tkachuk trade

Of course the conditional 1st is not just top 10 protected in this deal. It might not even be available if the Panthers 1st in 2024 is in the top 10 a year earlier from the Giroux trade. So the 1st in Tkachuk deal is in 2025 or 2026. Deadman137 (talk) 05:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks Deadman137 (talk)!!Always a pleasure, and thank you so much for all of your help and work over the years, as well.–uncleben85 (talk) 15:14, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Found a link for you

This link [3] has the conditions of Chicago/Toronto trade. Deadman137 (talk) 23:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Aha! Thank you! Let me know if you can find further confirmation on the Jeannot 1st. Only reports I've seen have the "Top-10 Protected" condition, without further elaboration. What if it is Top 10? That means Tampa did bad enough even with Jeannot that no pick is exchanged? It becomes a 2026? That 2026 is tied up in the Hagel trade, so what if the 2026 goes for Hagel, and the 2025 is Top-10? 2027?? Or what if the 2023 Hagel first becomes a 2025? Then what happens with this Jeannot 2025 first? A lot of (unlikely) scenarios that have not been covered by any official sources or main outlets..! lol!–uncleben85 (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I have yet to find anything useful that could help either of us on this subject. I will keep an eye out for it though. It's possible that it could be 26 or 27 depending on availability from the Hagel trade. At this point the 23 1st should go without complications, but the 24 1st will be up in the air for another year. Deadman137 (talk) 00:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks. You can check my history; I comment on pretty much every edit I make pretty consistently, save for my sandbox. It was a small, obscure page with an edit that seemed pretty straight forward, and it skipped my mind I guess. –uncleben85 (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Carolina/Philadelphia/San Jose mess

I know that you like the conditions in the transaction articles to be accurate so the Burns and DeAngelo trades from last year need to be fixed. The relevant details are in the 2023 draft article, conveniently all of the information is in the 3rd-round section. Deadman137 (talk) 23:00, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey Deadman! Thanks, yeah, I always try to have them as accurate as possible. Okay, yeah, I can see the inconsistencies between the two trades. Burns' is using the term "lower/lowest" to mean "later"/"lower value", and DeAngelo's is using "lower/lowest" to mean "better"/"lower number". Do you think it's better to just switch to saying "better/best" vs "worser/worst" or "earlier" vs "later"? Like to me, my brain defaults to "lower" as "lower number", aka, a better pick, not lower down the list, aka a worse pick, so I can see the confusion. –uncleben85 (talk) 13:01, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Sports writers are sometimes the bane of our existence. At the very least it was caught while we are still working on the current year's information. No real reason to make a change because a high draft pick is normally assumed to be early in the draft and a low one is late. Deadman137 (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Kane trade

Looks like Arizona is getting a conditional 3rd in 25 in the Kane deal per [4]. I'm digging for the details but it looks like they could get the better of the Stars' or Rangers' pick if the Rangers acquire the Stars' pick from the Lundkvist trade. Deadman137 (talk) 21:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Good eye! Not sure how I missed that one. Looks like CapFriendly has those same conditions. –uncleben85 (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

So far they're the only ones reporting it. I'm looking under stone to see what shakes loose. Deadman137 (talk) 22:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

2023–24 NHL transactions

Just to let you know, all trades done on Draft Day-onward from 2022–23 NHL transactions will be moved to the new page to maintain consistency. You are welcome to bring this issue up again, but I doubt it'll go anywhere. Conyo14 (talk) 21:28, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

If somebody else wants to go ahead and make that edit, go ahead, I'll play along, but I wasn't going to initiate it, haha. Maybe I'll try again in a few more years *shrug*. Draft day makes no sense to start the transactions threads (the League itself uses July 1 as the turn over for all cap and contracts and league business, etc.), and I'm willing to do all the work to create a new consistency... Last time I tried there were more in favour+indifferent than there were against, yet I was still denied, so it is what it is for now! I just wasn't going to initiate it, haha. Thanks for the heads up though, @Conyo14:, I appreciate it! –uncleben85 (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I have gone ahead with the edits. It's just unfortunate there's no clear answer from the League to say "This day is when all transactions for the upcoming season begin." I guess it was rather fortunate this year there were hardly any trades. Conyo14 (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Draftees based on nationality

I've completed the minimum needed for you to resume your usual work. As always ping me or leave me a message on my talk page if you want me to double check your final numbers. Deadman137 (talk) 07:16, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Reply

Fair enough, there seemed like a slight lull in the signings there so I figured I get some of them ref'd up but since we're going with the primary sources I will hold off on those. Rusted AutoParts 16:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking the same, with the lull. A couple of the team releases are coming out, so I've been scanning them. Then again, if you want to, feel free to add some temporary ones, I just thought I'd save you from the extra work! haha

Karlsson trade

So the Montreal and Pittsburgh trade was the first part of the deal, then San Jose and Pittsburgh finished it off. Hoffman is the only asset in both deals. Check the Canadiens' and Sharks' team pages for the accurate information. Deadman137 (talk) 16:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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save percentage

sorry, I probably went about that the wrong way. It just never occurred to me that it is represented a different way; looked up NHL.com and thought, "I hope I didn't offend."18abruce (talk) 01:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

No offence at all! I was actually in the same boat! I had only ever seen it in decimal form, and it didn't cross my mind to check IIHF's stats page - but I know calling it "Save percentage" and then using decimal notation is often confusing to unfamiliar fans, so that's why I added the link to the Save percentage page, in case any readers wanted to know more. But didn't intend to offend you either, and totally concede. Percent notation in that table is all good for me!–uncleben85 (talk) 01:19, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Arizona Coyotes/Salt Lake City situation

Hopefully the Coyotes don't make any trades or sign any players between now and the rollover date for next season, otherwise some type of disclaimer/note will be necessary (not sure how that might look). I looked back to 2011 to see what happened with the Trashers but they didn't make any transactions between the trade deadline and the next season rollover date so we'll be flying blind if anything happens. Deadman137 (talk) 03:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

2023–24 Montreal Canadiens season

We're having a situation with an IP editor with a history of edit warring in this article. If it's not too much trouble would you explain to them how we format trade tables? Deadman137 (talk) 22:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

For sure! I'll take a look tonight!! –uncleben85 (talk) 00:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Jakub Voracek's retirement

Asking for your input as you're the main contributor to the transaction pages - should Jakub Voracek's last team be listed as the Arizona Coyotes, or the Utah NHL team? I somewhat lean Coyotes (I can't really express why), but I could see the argument for either. @Deadman137, unfortunately your above fear came true. The Kip 17:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Haha, of course that happened! I would lean more to Utah... The Utah team technically did acquire his contract with all other hockey assets... Reality is, we would have listed Voracek with Arizona despite never playing a game there, as we're tracking the transactions on a more technical + literal level. Like how the CBA doesn't actually allow for three-way trades, so while they happen informally, we report the technical trades that would needed to happen; or like if a player signs a one-day contract to retire (Simmonds this year), those are purely ceremonial and don't actually change the player's contractual status, so we ignore them. Voracek, as far as I would be able to ascertain, was, even if only technically, on Utah's reserve list at the time of retirement. That said, I don't think it's necessary worth getting nitpicky if you guys would prefer to keep it simplified with Arizona, or to include a note, or any other suggestions!@The Kip and Deadman137:--–uncleben85 (talk) 18:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

If we're using which team owned the rights at the time of his retirement then it would be Utah, that would obviously require a hidden note and some monitoring. That being said, this might be a one time exception given the unique situation. Deadman137 (talk) 23:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I suppose one can make the argument that, considering his contract effectively ended with the end of the Coyotes' season, he should be listed as a Coyote - it's not like Shea Weber where he will still officially be on the books for Utah next season. I won't fight any attempts to change to Utah, but at least in my opinion, I feel Coyotes is fine to leave as-is. The Kip 18:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, I'm fine with Arizona if that's easiest. However, I do feel obligated to say that his contract did not end with the end of the season. Contracts do not roll over until July 1 and players stay on their respective teams' Reserves Lists through the end of the season until that time, even if their team is eliminated (only exception is draft-related free agents). It's why I hate that we change to our new Transactions pages on Draft Day (which has nothing to do with anything) - but I'm done fighting that fight for now hahaha--–uncleben85 (talk) 21:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)