User talk:Ove Raul

Important?

Hello! How important is this to you? Those of us who have worked quite a bit on that article before would like it the way it was before you started this, to avoid what we see as an unneccessary repetition of "Gustavus Adolphus" several times. Just as a matter of smoother English, as we see it. Did you notice that in the edit summary before you reverted this? And are you aware of the term WP:Edit war? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Three Swedish kings have been called "Gustavus Adolphus" in Latin and by a large number of writers also in "English". I would like to be clear in this text that this was Gustav II Adolph, not either of the other two. Nils Ahnlund in his great biography in English of the king did not call him "Gustavus Adolphus". If you look at the extensive discussion on the king's talk page about the name of the article, you'll find that there are substantial grounds to call him Gustav II Adolph in English, at least as a viable text alternative. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:44, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I think it is important to be consistent; if the college is named Gustavus Adolphus College, it is not logical to describe it as being named for Gustav Adolf but for Gustavus Adolphus.

His name was not Gustav Adolph, in English he is called Gustavus Adolphus (like he wrote it himself) and in Swedish he is called Gustaf Adolf (modern Swedish spelling as used by contemporary Swedish royalty) or Gustav Adolf (common standard modern Swedish spelling). The form Adolph is never used and as I can see on the king's talk page everyone but you has agreed to call him Gustavus Adolphus in English. His name can be written as Gustavus II Adolphus to distinguish him from his later namesakes. Ove Raul (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

"Gustavus II Adolphus"? Now who's making up names? There have been no kings of Sweden named "Gustavus" so there can hardly be a "Gustavus II". I have 4 books in English where the standard English spelling "Adolph" is used, and the extensive discussions on the kings's article's talk page - also see its archives! - clearly show how many users other than I who have supported Gustav II Adolf for that article's name.

Consistent? How about

• Gustav I of Sweden
• Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden
• Gustav III of Sweden
• Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden
• Gustaf V of Sweden
• Gustaf IV Adolf

How consistent is that?

You are also out cycling about "Gustaf Adolf (modern Swedish spelling as used by contemporary Swedish royalty)" - only royalty that lived after 1901 are correctly called "Gustaf" as that was the legal spelling of their names then. Confirmed here.

The English language is more sensitive to repetition than Swedish. I have tried to explain that, and also referred you to the first lines of the king's article, where it says widely known as Gustavus Adolphus (not only known as such) and where that name is not first. You have ignored both, though I have taken the time to address the issues you have brought up.

A big framed image on the wall of the college dean's office (I have been there) in English calls the man for whom the university was named Gustav II Adolph. But as a form of compromise, I am now going to change the edit on the Demitz article to show readers the interesting fact that the college was named for Gustav II Adolf (Swedish spelling as in the king's article's first line). May I ask you respectfully to leave that alone now? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

It is usually considered a personal attack to falsely accuse another editor of "vandalism". Fair warning. An editor who leaves a reasonable edit summary citting WP guidelines can never be accused of vandalism. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:04, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Could you stop reverting other people's developments of articles then? If you think relevant links are not relevant, discuss it on the talk page and do not just delete them, because that I find to be vandalism even if there would be some guideline supporting it. You don't give up, do you? You just have to have everything which reminds people of Gustavus Adolphus' English name erased from Wikipedia. Ove Raul (talk) 00:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Your opinon of what "vandalism" is would not be the same as Wikipedia's opinion, and behavior like that could get you blocked. Fair warning, again. You are new to English Wikipedia and should be receptive to help from those of us who are veterans. Would be nice to see more of that kind of an attitude, instead of all kinds of accusations, when you have been wrong above. I tried to help you by providing a link to the Swedish Royal Court's list of monarchs. Didn't work. I have nothing at all against the use of Gustavus Adolphus wherever it is appropriate. It isn't, every single time. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:18, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

You are relating to Wikipedia guidelines which are not relevant under the circumstances when you are removing links from an article. You have made it quite clear that you think "Gustavus Adolphus" is the wrong name and that it should be replaced with "Gustav Adolph" - which itself is even more wrong, because noone ever called him that, not when he lived and not now. Ove Raul (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

The irrelevant links you added are being discussed on talk there, let's not duplicate!--SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:33, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

You're the one who started talking about it here instead of there. Ove Raul (talk) 00:34, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

And you are just as non-knowledgeable about Gustav Adolph as you were about the official spellings Gustav versus Gustaf. Yo're bluffing again now. David Williamson of Debrett's and Burke's Peerage, for one major expert, called all those three Swedish kings Gustav Adolph never anything else. I have daily access to a private collection of over 500 books on Swedish history. Want more examples? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:39, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Here's another Gust. Adolph for you (note that only Gustav is abbreviated there, not Adolph). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring

Sorry, I had to report you for WP:edit warring here. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:13, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

So, you should be allowed to remove relevant information from an article on purely subjective grounds but I shouldn't be allowed to put it back? I don't believe it. Ove Raul (talk) 00:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

You might want to find out what Wikipedia's term edit-warring is all about before you try to argue that that is not what you are doing. The frequency of reverts is all it's about - nothing else. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

So, you removed them twice, I readded them twice. Have we both done the same amount of this edit warring then? Maybe you should report yourself too, then? Ove Raul (talk) 00:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Youy'll find there's quite a diffence. I never accused you of "vandalism" but gave reasonable edit summaries. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:41, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't agree those edit summaries were reasonable. Quite the contrary, they refered to guidelines not applicable for the kind of links you removed, which mean you tried to disguise the wrongful removal of links by refereing to guidelines, guidelines which were not being relevant at all. Ove Raul (talk) 00:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

If an editor left an edit summary that h/s considered reasonable, that edit should not be reversed with an accusation of "vandalism". That would seem to be clear to anyone. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring warning

Please read the warning here.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:05, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Flag flying days in Poland moved to draftspace

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I don't know why you find it to have to be a draft. It is a perfectly ready article, the text has just been moved from another article where it had never been questioned. Ove Raul (talk) 12:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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