User talk:Cimon Avaro/archive 6

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Nice comment at WikiEn-L just now. DGG (talk) 23:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Could you help me merge two users? a_ness and aness. Have got similar email and password.

Eventualism

I liked your following comment on meta. It made me feel good.

"Me too! With the added qualification that for me Eventualism is encapsulated in the idea that either everybody will eventually agree with me, since I am right, or I will eventually learn the truth, because I am willing to learn." A.Z. 05:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I never complain,nor do I ever explain . Dalvick (talk) 18:44, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Pulse (demo group)

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Pulse (demo group), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}.--Gavin Collins 08:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Bridge of Khazad-dûm

Notability is established by references, not by assertion (see Wikipedia:Notability), so I have restored the {{notability}} tag on Bridge of Khazad-dûm. Please do not remove it unless and until the subject's notability has been established through non-trivial references in reliable sources.

Thanks--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Facebook about to be deleted

Hi, as one of the people with a picture on Wikipedia:Facebook, figured you might be interested in knowing that it is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Images of Wikipedians (2nd nomination). - Ta bu shi da yu 03:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

A Wikipedia meetup in Helsinki?

Hello! Are you interested in a meetup for contributors of the English language Wikipedia in Finland? If so, please comment at Wikipedia:Meetup/Helsinki (and, of course, invite other Wikipedians you know who might be interested). Cheers, --KFP (talk | contribs) 11:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Captain Obvious

An article that you have been involved in editing, Captain Obvious, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captain Obvious (3rd nomination). Thank you. lk (talk) 17:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Citizendium

You said "What may be in the future for Citizendium as a milestone, is the point where they have a single article or more that they feel compare favourably, or which outside evaluators compare to be better than wikipedias. That may well spur on a real race on the highest quality of both encyclopaedias articles, which could in the end either benefit both projects, or derail them into focusing only on a narrow apex of articles, and forget all about the long tail."

They have such articles. http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer and http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer_in_prokaryotes are far far better than Horizontal gene transfer.WAS 4.250 (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Unusual articles

Actually, people make edits all the time without discussing them first. It is a wiki, after all. That said, do you have any specific objections to my edit? Feezo (Talk) 10:28, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR

Hello fellow Wikipedia administrators open to recall category member!

I am leaving you this message because recent events have given me concern. When Aaron Brenneman and I, and others, first developed this category well over a year ago, we visualized it as a simple idea. A low hassle, low bureaucracy process. We also visualized it as a process that people would come to trust, in fact as a way of increasing trust in those admins who chose to subscribe to the notion of recall. The very informal approach to who is qualified to recall, what happens during it, and the process in general were all part of that approach. But recent events have suggested that this low structure approach may not be entirely effective. More than one of the recent recalls we have seen have been marred by controversy around what was going to happen, and when. Worse, they were marred by some folk having the perception, rightly or wrongly, that the admin being recalled was trying to change the rules, avoid the process, or in other ways somehow go back on their word. This is bad. It's bad for you the admin, bad for the trust in the process, and bad for the community as a whole. I think a way to address this issue is to increase the predictability of the process in advance. I have tried to do that for myself. In my User:Lar/Accountability page, I have given pretty concrete definitions of the criteria for recall, and of the choices I can make, and of the process for the petition, and of the process for other choices I might make (the modified RfC or the RfAr). I think it would be very helpful if other admins who have voluntarily made themselves subject to recall went to similar detail. It is not necessary to adopt the exact same conditions, steps, criteria, etc. It's just helpful to have SOME. Those are mine, fashion yours as you see fit, I would not be so presumptuous as to say mine are right for you. In fact I urge you not to just adopt mine, as I do change them from time to time without notice, but instead develop your own. You are very welcome to start with mine if you so wish, though. But do something. If you have not already, I urge you to make your process more concrete, now, while there is no pressure and you can think clearly about what you want. Do it now rather than later, during a recall when folk may not react well to perceived changes in process or commitment. Further, I suggest that after you document your process, that you give a reference to it for the benefit of other admins who may want to see what others have done. List it in this table as a resource for the benefit of all. If you use someone else's by reference rather than copy, I suggest you might want to do as Cacharoth did, and give a link to a specific version. Do you have to do these things? Not at all. These are suggestions from me, and me alone, and are entirely up to you to embrace or ignore. I just think that doing this now, thinking now, documenting now, will save you trouble later, if you should for whatever reason happen to be recalled. I apologise if this message seems impersonal, but with over 130 members in the category, leaving a personal message for each of you might not have been feasible, and I feel this is important enough to violate social norms a bit. I hope that's OK. Thanks for your time and consideration, and best wishes. Larry Pieniazek NOTE: You are receiving this message because you are listed in the Wikipedia administrators open to recall category. This is a voluntary category, and you should not be in it if you do not want to be. If you did not list yourself, you may want to review the change records to determine who added you, and ask them why they added you.

...My guinea pigs and the "A"s having felt this message was OK to go forward with, today it's the turn of the "B"s and "C"s! I'm hoping at least one of you chaps will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but scary! :) ++Lar: t/c 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

From one member of the peanut gallery to another

Regarding this, I agree the statement was poorly phrased. What it seems to be referring to, though, is a phenomenon I've often watched in disputes where an editor assumes good faith of one party by imputing bad faith to the other. If editors want to live by the spirit of WP:AGF then what they really ought to be doing is making their best effort to assume positive motivations of the people who aren't already in agreement with them. Sometimes disagreements are a matter of priorities or perspective. Does it make more sense to think of it that way? Durova^Charge! 06:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I do find it kind of amusing to see you think you can claim to be among the audience, after so vociferously claiming affiliation with the people pulling the strings amongst the backstage workings. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 04:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Just to be crystal clear where I stand. When *I* approached Jimbo Wales to the effect of asking him to remove editing priviledges from someone, that *someone* was not a new editor much later arrived than myself, but a much more senior editor, in far better standing than myself (and he still continues to edit, to my great pleasure), and furthermore, in asking Jimbo to consider whether that editor should be barred from editing wikipedia, I made a specific stipulation that should Jimbo feel it useful, each and every word I used in the e-mail, was his to use as he saw fit, attributed to me, claimed as his own or whatever. None of it I claimed private or priviledged communication. This I think very much illustrates a highly divergent perspective from one you seem to have been blessed with. I hope you see where I am coming from. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 05:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's not very clear at all. I never used IRC, not on any channel. I did join a list called cyberstalking because - well - the name should be obvious. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. A lot of things have been said about me and attributed to me that I never actually said or did; it's like looking at a caricature of myself to read it. But if I'm unwelcome I won't bother you again. I apologize for the interference. Durova^Charge! 06:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Well. Your first posting is amazingly vague, there above. And now you are referring to IRC and to cyberstalking, though I have not mentioned either. What are you really trying to say. I won't enter into shadow boxing matches, but I will not in anyway let anyone think that your and my situation are comparable. I may have decided to have not pressed issues where more forceful people might have done so. That does not make me somebody who has decided to be an onlooker, rather than an actor. So I think really trying to fish for sympathy from these quarters is not something you are well advised to pursue. That much I can say without hesitation. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 06:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Skulk

I've started a stub for skulking Jimfbleak (talk) 12:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Skulking, not skulk Jimfbleak (talk) 17:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree about Wrentit! Jimfbleak (talk) 07:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

RfD nomination of You are here

I have nominated You are here (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Floaterfluss ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

	Happy Birthday	from the Birthday Committee
	Wishing Cimon Avaro/archive 6 a very happy birthday on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Don't forget to save us all a piece of cake!

--Nadir D Steinmetz 00:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

rufous

It's nearer red than brown, Jimfbleak (talk) 17:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

I wasn't sure what you meant at first. Thank you. 4 years old! Belated greetings for your birthday last month. --Oldak Quill 14:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Moleskin

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IRC

I am Soms. Somitho (talk) 06:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Board elections 2008

Hi Cimon,

The 2008 board elections will be in a few months (1 to 14 June) and the election committee is looking for people willing to translate the election pages into various languages. I noticed that you seem to be interested in Meta translations en>fi. Would you be available and interested in translating the board election pages into Finnish? I'm looking for at least two people per language so no one translator feels overwhelmed, so they can mutually proofread each other and help each other out as needed, but if only one is available that is fine as well. (To get an idea of how much work is involved you can take a look at last year's election pages.)

If you are not available or are not interested, it would be nice if you could point me in the direction of users who might be interested in helping, or show them this message.

Please contact me on my Meta page (meta:User talk:Arria Belli), where you can write to me in either English, French, Spanish or Italian, whichever you feel most comfortable with.

Happy editing,

Arria Belli | parlami 15:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Cimon,

It's very conscientious of you to think of possible neutrality issues when translating, and I completely understand. It can be odd to translate something you've helped along or helped organize; you wonder if you're as neutral as you think you are.

I recognize that there are not many fi:-speakers willing or available to translate (in fact, off the top of my head the only one I remembered was you). Do you have anyone else in mind, anyway, or none at all? I'll try to contact your suggested translators; if they cannot work on the elections I will leave a note at the fi: Village Pump. If no one responds, you can start work. Do you feel comfortable with that? We'll have exhausted the possibilities, I think.

Don't hesitate to drop me a line over on Meta. :-)

Cheers and happy editing,

Arria Belli | parlami 13:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Cimon,

I have found two interested fi: people willing to translate into Finnish for the board elections. No worries, then. You can work on whatever you like without the added pressure of translating. :-)

Thanks,

Arria Belli | parlami 14:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Special:MergeAccount

Hello

Can you rename user:TigH with only one contribution to merge my logins ?
Thanks from a french administrator fr:user:TigH
193.250.31.29 (talk) 11:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Ismo Hölttö

Thanks for your recent edits to Ismo Hölttö. But could you please take a look at Talk:Ismo Hölttö and answer a question there? Thanks. -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

images

thanks for that, I didn't know of th0se, Jimfbleak (talk) 07:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

User name change request

Hi, I would like to have my user name changed from Soft needed to Chech Explorer. My user name was already changed on Commons and Bulgarian Wikipedia. I would like to migrate to the new name in order to avoid messing up and confusion with the different user names on different Wiki projects. Thanks! --Soft needed (talk) 17:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Another user name request

Is it possible to move me to the username "Tannkrem"? There seems to be another user who has chosen that name (that's why I had to take "Tannkremen"), but this user has no contributions. Tannkrem is a Norwegian word, and I have that username on both the Norwegian and the Danish Norwegian Wikipedia. --Tannkremen (talk) 19:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Obviously, given the length of time between my visits, I'm not really planning on being overly active again. Actually, I'm much too heavily involved with Apertium to really have time for anything else. But yeah, it's nice to see a familiar name -- and thanks for the reminder of that Berlios page :) Jim Regan (talk) 09:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Hyde Hyytiäinen

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Speedy deletion of Hyde Hyytiäinen

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username change

I write a request to usurp the account User:Argento that has 0 edits (it is even possible that I created that account and forgot about it) because I have other accounts on other wikimedia projects with the same username and I want to use the new unified login, here is the list of my accounts.

it:User:Argento
wikibooks:en:User:Argento
wikibooks:it:Utente:Argento
wiktionary:en:User:Argento
commons:User:Argento

--Argento3 (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Help at Wikimedia Arbitration Committee election processes

MBisanz suggested that perhaps you could help out with this page at Meta-Wiki, specifically with describing the selection or election process of how members are chosen for the Arbitration Committee on the Wikipedia's of some of the Nordic languages. Any help/input would be appreciated. Thank you for your time. Cirt (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bureaucrats

Hi! As a bureaucrat on Wikipedia, I'd very much appreciate it if you would fill in your details on the newly updated Bureaucrats page. Thanks! Majorly ^talk 14:28, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Data Crystal

Me and my mate were wondering if there is any way of taking over (becoming a bureaucrat) on this wiki: Data crystal , we are asking you because it has been inactive for a long time, and we were hoping to try and take over to help fix it up. I have tried asking people on this wiki but no one is ever on besides me, the only other contributions are random IP addresses that spam the articles (even more then they already are). If you could please reply on my talk page it would be highly appreciated, thanks (This message has been sent to most bureaucrat's). --MỸŠŦЄЯỸЊӘҒҒ (talk) 13:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Need Help

Resolved

 – Restored the prodded article. –xeno (talk) 01:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I see that you are an administrator here. I needed some help on how to go ahead with a particular situation.

One of the articles that I am interested in has been deleted and on repeated contacts with the administrator responsible for the deletion, for the last 3 weeks, I have not got a reply yet. What can I do about this. Please help. --Ashlypat (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday, Cimon Avaro/archive 6, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

Versus22 _talk 05:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Could you help me

I see that you are not only an administrator but also the user that created Newbies article. Im looking for help, and I have asked three other people and I have still not gotten a response. I have been trying to get an explanation regarding my situation. I was told that my usernames from yesterday were not allowed. I was told they were offensive, but no one told me what was so offensive about them. I felt they used some light hearted toilet humor, but not offensive. I went through an appeals process as described, and received no answer to my questions other than that if I continue I will be blocked. There was no answer why I would be blocked, just that if continue with my appeals I will be blocked for trolling. I didn't even know what trolling is until I read about it. Somehow I am being disruptive, but no one wants to tell me how. No one will give me explanations, just threats. This does not seem to be in accordance with the Newbies policy. I just want to understand. I also made a complaint about the username of someone, that I felt violated the username policy, and that was ignored. Once again no explanation. Could you help me?Racingstripes (talk) 18:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

FAR on Comet

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Proposed deletion of Jouko Turkka

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Deleted last edit

My mistake! I queried a deletion, but your edit was actually something different. I'm going crazy! Amandajm (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Re Double entry bookkeeping. You are right. I have rewritten the sentence and referenced it. Amandajm (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Sphenic numbers

Hello, in 2003 you added info on sphenic numbers to Composite number. The subject has since materialized into a separate article. I was unable to find any information on these numbers other than various Wikipedia mirrors. Can you point me to sources, and the origin of the name? Thanks, Odedee (talk) 11:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

-- Thanks, Odedee (talk) 12:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Good luck!

Best wishes. :-) Axl ¤ [Talk] 21:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Greetings

Nice to run across your sig today; i had to stop and think, and then search for your novel mode of transportation, to be sure i remembered correctly.
--Jerzy•t 02:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Deep Ecology (company)

The article Deep Ecology (company) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable organisation. I am unable to find any indepedent, reliable sources about this group. Note also that Kenneth O'Keefe was redirected as non-notable back in 2006.

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Bureaucrat discussion for Juliancolton RfB

A bureaucrat discussion has been opened in order to determine the consensus in this request for adminship. Please come participate. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Cimon Avaro! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 5 of the articles that you created are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. if you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 942 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

1. Ior Bock - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
2. Johanna Sinisalo - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
3. Kimmo Lehtonen - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
4. Markku Toikka - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
5. Arto Saari - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Section 301

An article that you have been involved in editing, Section 301, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Stephen (talk) 18:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Just signed below your name at Credo accounts.

It's the only time I've seen your name onwiki... other than when it was used as a tricky question at my RfB! Nice to see you for real.

Cheers --Dweller (talk) 19:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Elettra/Electra

Re this edit, in fact the character in the opera is called "Elettra", just as Idomeneo is called "Idomeneo" and not "Idomeneus". – ukexpat (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed so, it has a mish-mash of the Italian names and the Greek/Latinised versions. I will correct. – ukexpat (talk) 16:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Strategic Planning followup

Cimon, thanks for your fantastic contributions to last night's strategic planning office hours. There's some followup at the strategy wiki. I hope you'll join us there and continue to share your thoughts! Philippe Beaudette, Facilitator, Strategy Project (talk) 18:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Happy Cimon Avaro's Day!

User:Cimon Avaro has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Cimon Avaro's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Cimon Avaro! Peace, Rlevse 00:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Awesome

Ten years!

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Moving of joke support vote

Regarding WP:Requests for adminship/Polargeo 2 do you think the neutral vote that was striked should be reinstated following the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Striking of votes? Also it is fairly clear that the oppose that you moved from the support section was meant as a joke support because it was initially put in the support section with an edit summary of "s++" [1] and the fact that it was intended as a support was backed up by the comment on my talkpage [2]. As the closing crat I am totally behind the fact that you have final say on how you assess supports and opposes, I just wanted to highlight these issues for you. Thanks again for swiftly closing the RfA. Polargeo (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

imo if it was an meant as a support, it should stay in the support section. If you want to strike the word Oppose or something as the closing crat, that would be better than actually adding 1 to the oppose count when the user was joking. –xeno^talk 15:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't care. Polargeo is a sysop. If the !vote mattered—that is, it was the determining factor in closing the RfA as failed—I may care. But I try not to deal with hypothetical situations. I do find it hilarious that the closing bureaucrat didn't actually read the comment and check the diff. Or if they did, decided that the edit summary of "obs" was so offensive that someone would actually oppose over it. -Atmoz (talk) 15:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

• FYI there was a limited edit war on the closed RFA and it is now being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Polargeo 2. –xeno^talk 19:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

On the bureaucracy

Cimon,

I have been contemplating your recent renewed interest in WP:RFA for over a week. There has been ongoing discussion of the role of less active bureaucrats and the possible need for reconfirmation processes or some sort of inactivity policy.

You and I share a history of early involvement at ENWP. I note that you have been involved mainly in other projects (fi: if I'm not mistaken) in recent years, as those projects have flourished. While occasional and even lengthy periods of inactivity are to be expected of any Wikipedian of tenure, I am concerned that in the interest of maintaining a token level of activity you have chosen to be involved in a highly sensitive and visible part of the project without taking the time to reacquaint yourself with the community.

Please consider carefully what you're trying to achieve and whether you truly wish to remain involved in this area.

With greatest respect

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 20:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your considered reply. However you choose to proceed, I do look forward to our ongoing collaboration. I do realize that interface translation is a matter of great tedium, and something very hard to get completely right. You are indeed committed to work in such an area. Best wishes, The Uninvited Co., Inc. 14:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Fundraiser 2010/Call for Translators

Hi Cimon, My name is Sam and I am working for the Wikimedia Foundation during the 2010 Fundraiser. My job is to be the liaison between the Finnish community and the Foundation. This year's fundraiser is intended to be a collaborative and global effort, we recognize that banner messages that perform well in the United States don't necessarily translate well, or appeal to international audiences. I'm contacting you as I am currently looking for translators who are willing to contribute to this project, helping to translate and localize messages into Finnish and suggesting messages that would appeal to Finnish readers on the Fundraising Meta Page. Please let me know if you'd be interested in helping with this project, and add your feedback to the proposed messages as well! I look forward to working with you during this year's fundraiser. Schapman (talk) 17:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Notification: changes to "Mark my edits as minor by default" preference

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Nomination of Aharon Kotler for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Aharon Kotler is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aharon Kotler until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

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Question

Hey, Cimon Avaro! I saw that you were a bureaucrat/administrator here, so I was just wondering if you might be able to answer a question I had. The thing is, I'm an admin on a different wiki, and another admin on the same wiki posted a question to the rest of the admins asking if there was a URL that can be used to show any user their current number of edits on the wiki. On our wiki, there's a page called Special:Editcount that conveys that information (I don't think Wikipedia has a page like this though), so another admin advised him to use this URL: http://_________.com/Special:Editcount/Username. That URL would achieve the desired result, but one would have to constantly put the username of the specific user at the end of the URL when posting it on that user's talk page, so my goal was to come up with a way to avoid that; almost to create something you could post on any user's talk page without changing any part of it and still get the desired result. I came up with this: {{fullurl:Special:Editcount/{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}, this way, one could just post the coding on the talk page of the desired user and the returned URL would automatically direct the user to their respective edit count. This worked successfully for every other user whose talk page I tested the coding on (without saving the page, of course); the only problem is that the user he wanted to do this for has an "*" both at the beginning and the end of their username (the second asterisk isn't a problem, just the first), meaning that instead of being returned as:

http://_________.com/Special:Editcount/*User*

it gets returned as:

{{fullurl:Special:Editcount/

• User*}}

and doesn't take anyone anywhere, because it's just the raw coding. So I was just wondering if you knew of any way to circumvent this problem (aside from just telling him to post "http://_________.com/Special:Editcount/*User*" on the user's talk page, which isn't the end of the world, but is, of course, what I was trying to get around in the first place), maybe by putting some other form of coding that I'm not aware of somewhere in the existing coding or something. Any light you may be able to shed on this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

69.204.38.3 (talk) 23:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear Cimon Avaro,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at [email protected] (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at [email protected]. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chlopeck (talk • contribs) 13:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Happy Bureaucratship Anniversary

Wishing Cimon Avaro/archive 6 a very happy bureaucratship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 02:29, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Rename User:Wikiplex

Hello, I want to complete creation of SUL in wikipedia projects, but then name Wikiplex in en-wiki is already reserved by this user, which has only 5 edits in this project, the last one from 2010. I have more than 150 edits in my homewiki de-wiki and I would like to contribute to the en-wiki also. Could you rename it? Joachim 93.128.52.152 (talk) 11:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)

Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:

• Link to Survey (should take between 5-10 minutes): http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8FQ6MM

It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve.

At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through WikiProject Resource Exchange).

Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot.

If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at [email protected]. Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 17:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

• Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
• Research: The most recent DR data
• Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
• Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
• DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
• Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
• Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 18:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Crat statement draft

Hi Following the drama at BN, I'm trying to come up with a statement all Crats could agree to. Please take a look, below. I am quite content to do this onwiki -we have always worked transparently, except where secrecy is essential (ie RTV). I think we should be able to wordsmith a statement acceptable to all, and I think it's an important thing to do.

1. In my opinion, this issue has come about through an unfortunate proliferation of documentation: policy, guideline, how-to etc
2. I am not convinced that there is community consensus on all of the points encapsulated in those various pages
3. I am unhappy at what may be described as some or all of: inconsistencies, inaccuracies or lack of clarity in that documentation
4. I do not believe that any of the issues we have faced have been caused by Crats trying to widen their powers
5. I would like to see the issues clarified, based on consensus, and for the documentation to be updated accordingly
6. I'd like to thank Griot-de for generously withdrawing the rename request

Signed [crat sig] Lmk what you think. Many thanks, --Dweller (talk) 10:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Happy birthday Cimon Avaro! I know this is a special time for you, so here is my gift: some randomly generated binary code!

Happy birthday!

Once again, happy birthday! Command and Conquer Expert! ^{speak to me...}_{review me...} 21:31, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs)

Greetings Wikipedia Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...

New positions: Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian

Wikipedia Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.

New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??

New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges

News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

Announcing WikiProject Open: WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions

New ways to get involved: Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration

Read the full newsletter

Thanks for reading! All future newsletters will be opt-in only. Have an item for the next issue? Leave a note for the editor on the Suggestions page. --The Interior 20:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Survey

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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An important message about renaming users

Dear Cimon Avaro,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Aarnivalkea

The article Aarnivalkea has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced entry that fails WP:GNG.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:12, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Aarnivalkea for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Aarnivalkea is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aarnivalkea until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:54, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Workshopping bureaucrat activity requirements

(Message to all bureaucrats)

There is an ongoing discussion about implementing some kind of standards for administrative and bureaucrat activity levels; and activity requirements for bureaucrats have been explored several times in the past. I've prepared a draft addition to Wikipedia:Bureaucrats that would require at least one bureaucratic action every five years to retain the bureaucrat permission.

In the past, I've been hesitant of such proposals but I believe that if the bureaucrat group as a whole is seen to be actively engaged, the community may be more willing to grant additional tasks to the position.

Please let me know your thoughts. I'm not sure if this actually applies to any of us, but if you have not acted as a bureaucrat in over five years, you might consider requesting removal of the permission or otherwise signalling that you intend to return to bureaucrat activity. –xeno^talk 14:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

FYI: bureaucrat discussion opened

Message to most bureaucrats

A bureaucrat chat has been opened by Maxim at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rich Farmbrough 2/Bureaucrat discussion.

Wikipedia:Bureaucrat discussion suggests notifying bureaucrats on their talk page as well as BN, hence this courtesy note. –xeno^talk 16:44, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Bureaucrat discussion notification

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cyberpower678/Bureaucrat discussion

I would welcome input from other bureaucrats in relation to the outcome of this RfA.
Many thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) for WJBscribe (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Community & Bureaucrat based desysoping proposal

A discussion is taking place regarding a proposal to create a community and bureaucrat based desysoping committee. The proposal would modify the position of bureaucrat. Your input is encouraged. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators/RfC for BARC - a community desysoping process. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Bureaucrat discussion notification (Liz)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Liz/Bureaucrat discussion

I would welcome input from other bureaucrats in relation to the outcome of this RfA.
Many thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) for WJBscribe (talk) 12:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Implementation of Wikipedia:Bureaucrats#Bureaucrat activity requirements

Following a community discussion ending August 2015, consensus was reached to remove the bureaucrat permissions of users who have not participated in bureaucrat activity for three years.

“ Bureaucrats are expected to exercise the duties granted by their role while remaining cognizant of relevant community standards concerning their tasks. In addition to the "Inactive bureaucrat accounts" requirements, if a bureaucrat does not participate in bureaucrat activity for over three years, their bureaucrat permissions may be removed. The user must be notified on their talk page and by email one month before the removal, and again and a few days prior to the removal. If the user does not return to bureaucrat activity, another bureaucrat may request the removal of permissions at meta:Steward requests/Permissions. Permissions removed for not meeting bureaucrat activity requirements may be re-obtained through a new request for bureaucratship. ”

To assist with the implementation of this requirement, please see Wikipedia:Bureaucrat activity. Modeled after Wikipedia:Inactive administrators and similar to that process, the log page will be created on 1 September 2015. Bureaucrats who have not met the activity requirements as of that date will be notified by email (where possible) and on their talk page to advise of the pending removal.

If the notified user does not return to bureaucrat activity and the permissions are removed, they will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFB. Removal of access is procedural only, and not intended to reflect negatively upon the affected user in any way.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. –xeno^talk

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Oxymellin listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Oxymellin. Since you had some involvement with the Oxymellin redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. —Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 02:27, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

Hi,
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Notification of pending suspension of bureaucrat permissions due to not meeting bureaucrat activity requirements

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Contribution On List Of Occultists

Cimon Avaro thank you for contributing to this page List of occultists it's difficult finding anyone with knowledge enough to edit occult pages or any pages with connection to anything remotely metaphysical in nature, I may in the future need your assistance. Thank you, have a nice week ahead.

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You might want to clarify this comment and its equivalent on Jimbo's page. You've assumed that the vanished contributor was a victim of Fram, and that is by no means certain. The discussion is mega-long but you will find in it previous warnings about being careful not to fall foul of BLP by making accusations without evidence. - Sitush (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

In the abstract, I don't think it is useful to troll on my talk page. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 15:43, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about John C. McLaughlin

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Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username Elmidae and it's nice to meet you :-)

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I placed a {{prod}} on an article you started, Meaningless_statement. Geo Swan (talk) 18:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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non serviam

Thank you for your humility. You, indeed, are a credit to the admin corps in the finest spirit of the Wikipedia community. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) Chris Troutman (talk) 21:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I hope you stay

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Precious

"build upon not tear down"

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You are recipient no. 2730 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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