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Infobox Australian road code updates

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This just to let you know, since you're listed as a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian Roads but haven't commented at the discussion, that there is a proposal to upgrade the code for {{Infobox Australian road}} currently underway. The proposal includes a number of completely optional functionality enhancements and some very minor layout changes but otherwise, the code is 100% backward compatible with the existing version of the template. The code has been built from code recently and successfully incorporated into {{Infobox Australian place}}. If you'd like to join the discussion, even if it's just to ask a question, please click here. Thanks for your time. --AussieLegend (✉) 02:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have a reply at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia (eom)

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Death

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I noticed you have the subject "death" listed on your user page.

There's an outline draft on death under development that you might be interested in. The Transhumanist 18:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RfA

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Just a reminder that you haven't signed your !vote... (Happens to us all some time.) Peridon (talk) 18:38, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strange. I can see it now, but couldn't last night. I went through the history to see who it would be, and worked it out on position, but still couldn't see it. My apologies. Peridon (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sharp intake of breath!

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" 'tothersiders " ??? - I'm a croweater! (Not one of those easterners!!) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Thanks!! It's nice to be appreciated. [reply]

several? let me count thy ways - Oh dear. "Never a truer word than spoken in jest?" Pdfpdf (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
enough - we both have adult children - that should explain we have been ensconced for well over 20 years... sats 15:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sleep well! Pdfpdf (talk) 15:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Western Australian Farmers Federation fixed

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See Talk:Western Australian Farmers Federation#Copyvio fixed. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP Australian Roads assessment bot

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Just letting you know that a bot has been built to automatically add |road= and |road-importance= parameters to all articles within Category:Roads in Australia. The bot (Theo's Little Bot 4) is currently at WP:BRFA. - Evad37 (talk) 08:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Meetup

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Sounds like a very productive meetup ... I'm sorry I missed it! I'll try to come to the next one ... I can't see anything stopping me at this point! Graham87 00:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WAGR S class

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"Mills adapted many of the features of the WAGR S class to the ASG including the ... boiler ...": Gunzburg (1984), page 121. Bahnfrend (talk) 13:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Australian Standard Garratt and Frederick Mills (engineer). Bahnfrend (talk) 14:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

second sentence in lead para needs work

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This sentence in the lead paragraph:

The network of lines as found in pre-second world war maps of the Western Australian Government Railways (WAGR) system show that railway lines were, in the main wheatbelt region within 60 miles of the next railway line, facilitating ease of access of rail transport.

when stripped of dependent clauses, appears to say merely that:

The network of lines ... show that railway lines were ... facilitating ease of access of rail transport.

ie "the railway lines facilitated rail transport", which does not appear to convey any information (other than the self-evident).

No doubt the sentence is trying to say something significant, but I can't quite figure out what. The sentence could be given meaning by removing the first comma - changing the adverbial clause "in the main wheatbelt region within 60 miles of the next railway line" to the verb phrase "were in ....":

The network of lines ... show that railway lines were in the main wheatbelt region within 60 miles of the next railway line, ...

ie, "the wheatbelt railways lines were within 60 miles of the next railway line", but was this "next railway line" a wheatbelt line or not?

Would someone familiar with the subject explain what the sentence is trying to say? Mitch Ames (talk) 01:16, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the move of this discussion - it's about the article, not you, even if you are the primary contributor, and possibly the only person who can address the issue - so belongs on the article talk page. Thus I ask that you move it back. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:12, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not claiming any expertise but I think the opening paragraph is fine as it was. Logistically, the closer all the node points on a network the faster the network is able to be traversed. Most of the lines would be wheatbelt lines, with the exception of mainlines the the east, north and south of Perth. The main reason for this, besides ease of transport, would be undoubtably have been disaster recovery. In the case of WA flooding was traditionally a major problem and, given the landscapes lack of drainage, washaways seem to occur with great regularity. This in turn would take rail and road away with it. With easy and close access to other lines this problem is largely circumvented. Hence the importance of having many lines within 60 miles of the next railway line. Also unlike other cargos wheat, particularly in damp conditions, can spoil and transporting it to dryer storage conditions would become imperative. Hughesdarren (talk) 04:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And just to complicate things I've just slightly altered the wording of the lead paragraph to change the emphasis. Although, to be honest, I have even less expertise in this area, (as you would both undoubtably know from the copyedits you do on the articles I've contributed to). Hughesdarren (talk) 04:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notes or References

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I know we've disagreed on this before, but in Dragon Tree Soak Nature Reserve and Islands of the Kimberley (Western Australia) you might seriously consider renaming the Notes section to References, because that is what it contains - a list of references. Alternatively, add a separate References section (with something sensible in it). {{Notelist}} shows an example - although they have separate Notes and Citations - this was probably what I was looking for last time I raised the matter. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

( This section break inserted because I don't think the text after it is related to Note or References Mitch Ames (talk) 14:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC) )

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Part of Moondyne is actually set in Perth. Part of A Faithful Picture is also actually set in Perth. That would seem to be relevant.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Law2giver (talk • contribs)

Please note I am no longer replying to or attending to edits by the unsigned editor here until (1) signing starts (2) editor shows some understanding of what wikipedia is about. sats 14:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pic

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Yair, like to see that, pls, if you can email it! Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 08:16, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The links are clearly relevant to each and every page it was added too, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered wasting my time. How is this against Wikipedias policy and how is this not helping out the encyclopedia? Ill gladly accept the links removal if you outline to how they are against Wikipedias policy. Thanks Cutajarc

Well...

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One sorry about that, I'm on my iPhone and its a little complicated to navigate to log in. Anyway I don't use Wikipedia often, I'm only trying to be constructive as I've found some valuable sources. I'm not fully familiar with Wikipedias methods but will look into that. Thanks for your suggestions and I will try to correct the issues. Well the link is relevant to the article in general not really a specific part, but will try to focus any future edits on the body and as well as providing a proper description of my edits. Ps 4 years ago was a different situation. I apologize if I have formatted anything wrongly as im not familiar as I said with Wikipedias ways (not a regularly editor).

Thanks

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Love the shirt!
Just got the shirt through the Merchandise Giveaway Programme. Thanks for your vote of confidence!  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:37, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

revert question

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Why revert the Perth sculpture site to one with far fewer sculptures, and no slideshow option? The one you edited out is not commercial and does not promote anyone.Law2giver (talk) 12:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nyi Rara Kidul

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Thank you for your edits on the article Nyi Roro Kidul, colaborations is what wikipedia about, numbers of people working together (on different times) creating better article... long time no see (write to) you too... wish you the best, cheers..Gunkarta (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RfC:Infobox Road proposal

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WP:AURD (Australian Roads), is inviting comment on a proposal to convert Australian road articles to {{infobox road}}. Please come and discuss. The vote will be after concerns have been looked into.

You are being notified as a member on the list of WP:AUS

Nbound (talk) 05:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AURD banner

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The Australian Roads WikiProject has its own banner, {{WikiProject Australian Roads}}, just so you know. AURD members are going through and manually swapping out the |roads=yes parameter in the main Australian banner and applying the project-specific one which has greater tracking ability for the project. Imzadi 1979 → 15:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Adelaide Meetup

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Not complaining - just ignorant and confused. I assume you know Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/Meetup 8 exists(?).
Why did you create Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Adelaide/Meetup 8? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:07, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(P.S. Nice photo! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:13, 10 May 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Bushfires

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Nasty things, bushfires. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Australia

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It seems the weather co-operated, but we've been left with lots of acres of black trees, lots of people making lots of excuses and avoiding answering lots of questions, and no-one taking responsibility for unnecessarily putting hundreds of volunteer firefighters at risk.
I dunno, maybe I'm just becoming a grumpy old man, but seriously, the older I get, the worse politicians seem to be getting, and the less well (and more expensively) "things" seem to be working (if, indeed, they work at all!) Yes, large flat-screen TVs are cheap, but I despair for my as yet unborn grandchildren. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's sad isn't it. The French worked it out quite a while ago: Plus ca change, plus le meme chose. - The more things change, the more they stay the same ... Pdfpdf (talk) 15:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This and this are more positive, and I love the girls' hairdos in this one.Pdfpdf (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nice

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Hi SatuSuro, nice to meet you again here, I hope you always help us in ms.wiki to fight with vandalize. Sorry if my English too bad.法尔汉 Aplikasi 16:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strelitz Buildings

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You've reverted me twice, without a single word of explanation. Would u mind telling me why? By reverting me, you seem to be insisting retaining some WP:MOS violations. Regards, -- Ohc digame / ¿que pasa? 08:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Street

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Sigh.... Full stops, MOS:REFSPACE... how hard can it be? Mitch Ames (talk) 14:15, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

G'day

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Nice ant! (I still have the magpie on my user page - I like that, too.) Thanks for the clutter comment - much more focused than mine. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So I don't need to be quite so obsequious and polite? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:02, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. That's a shame. What's that American expression? Oh yes, "SNAFU". Thanks for the warning - most appreciated. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the email. "Interesting." Hmmm. "If you think the problem is simple, you don't understand the problem." "Forewarned is forearmed". Etc. Pdfpdf (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, well, well! It is starting to look like the boy has cried "Wolf!" at least once too often? Pdfpdf (talk) 16:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Random thought: US: "SNAFU". French: "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" Interesting contrast in cultures? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "If you think the problem is simple, you don't understand the problem."
I've always liked "If you're not [confused / worried / outraged / overwhelmed / hopeful] then you're not paying attention!".
;) –Quiddity (talk) 20:19, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
;-) Pdfpdf (talk) 16:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

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I find your User Page ant photo both fascinating and repellent. I guess that makes it art! Liz Read! Talk! 20:56, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Ping!Ping!Ping!

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Just FYI, I butted into the conversation you were having to kind of answer the question (and also managed to totally insult you) at User talk:Johnpacklambert#Category clutter. I suppose I took a bit of pity on the user, seeing him flail around with being unable to give a satisfactory answer. (I do agree that if he's nominating so many categories for deletion based on a guideline, he really should be able to cite the guideline he's referring to.) John has been active at the ol' mushroom patch lately, tromping through the rotting faeces as it were, and, let's just say it's been interesting. I should have quoted your full user name in the discussion, because now this fancy WP system pings you when anyone mentions your user name, but I forgot and thought I would take this opportunity to write on your talk page. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:27, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think all of those comments are deleted from the Talk Page now, Good Ol’factory (now I'm butting in).
I am really fond of the image of CfD as a mushroom patch...be careful, some are edible while others are poisonous! ;-) Although I do object to the categories I created that are now proposed for deletion as "rotting faeces"...I think they are gold, pure gold, Jerry! Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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re Welcome!

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Hi,

Thank you for the welcoming! Regards. DenesFeri (talk) 15:52, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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666!

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As one of a highly select international group, you are hereby invited to join me in celebrating my 666! (Let the games begin!) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

...(speaking for myself of course) - If only! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wheatbelt railways

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I like the photos, and I've added some of them to an appropriate article, eg Yealering, Western Australia. I will be spending some time in the wheatbelt this coming weekend, so will probably also take some photos myself (the wheatbelt is unusually green at the moment, isn't it?). Also, I have quite a few old photos of wheatbelt railways in the 1980s, and this may be an appropriate time to upload them. Look forward to seeing you on 20/10. Bahnfrend (talk) 03:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Trayning

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Yeah, doesn't seem like fun at all! Graham87 10:08, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, In case you're in the process of filing a SPI report, I've just blocked the "TheMistakeThatIsFeminism" account. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 06:55, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki gives

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From https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wiki_Takes_and_GLAM_in_reverse ".... develop frameworks for GLAM and Wiki Takes in reverse (it might require a name change to a more positive outlook "

"Wiki gives" - that's pretty positive! Mitch Ames (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Cemetery/Graveyard

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Look, I'm not really up to any arguing over this, but there were merger tags for almost two months. If people REALLY didn't want them merged together, they should've spoken up beforehand, or at the very least periodically check the pages to see the tags. I think a week is long enough to leave open for a merger discussion, let alone two months. To most people, graveyard and cemetery are one in the same. Bottom line. Jgera5 (talk) 04:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question

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Hi SatuSuro, I have received your message suggesting that some of the links I have added to wikipedia pages are advertising. Could you, please, help me understand this better? I have written a book that contains stories about saints and I have been adding links to its individual stories to the wikipedia pages of the corresponding saints in their "external links" sections. The entire book is free and downloadable in its entirety in a variety of formats from http://primo3r.com. If this is not acceptable, I'll remove the links - no problem. Thanks of your help. Jan morovic (talk) 08:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Lyell Highway

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Yeah ... must've been the route that Dad took when driving from Hobart to Strahan; it did take a wee while! I only got to that article because I found that Scotts Peak Dam has been incredibly windy today (it was listed as having the highest wind gust in Australia an hour or so ago according to Australian Weather News), and I wanted to know where it is and more about its climate: it's certainly pretty wet up there! Using the Bureau's "nearest sites" feature eventually got me down to the Derwent Valley, and I decided to look into a particularly cold snap it had in late June 1972 – even Hobart wasn't immune to the cold. Graham87 08:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, that's an awful lot of rain! While doing a Google search, I discovered this Bureau page with some more staggering rainfall figures. Graham87 09:45, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New cats

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Hi SatuSuro

Before you go any further, may I suggest that the two new cats you've just created should be renamed:

Category:Western Australian Government Railways locomotives

Category:Midland Railway of Western Australia locomotives

That's the standard naming format for categories covering locomotives of a particular railway company, see Category:Locomotives by railway for lots of examples.

It's also the format I used when naming, eg, commons:Category:Midland Railway of Western Australia steam locomotives. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've just fixed the suggested second name. My general point is simply that almost all "Category:Locomotives by railway" sub-categories, in both en.wiki and commons, are named in the format "Category:[name of railway company] locomotives" (see eg Category:Rhaetian Railway locomotives (another category I created), and commons:Category:Locomotives of the United States by operator), and that therefore the two new ones you've just created should be, too. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:59, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia

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Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 02:15, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia

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Thanks for the praise. I intend to keep updating (and correcting) the Indonesia articles, but there are two areas in Sulawesi with which I could use some technical help. Can you assist?

  • 1. There are articles entitled Buol (city) and Buol (village), not to mention a disambiguation article for Buol, Indonesia. These actually refer to the same place! Buol is certainly NOT a city, and it's actually too big to be called a village. These erroneous articles need to be merged, or deleted and replaced by one entitled Buol (town) which is the most accurate designation. There are also articles for Buol Regency and for Buol Island (which incidentally is a different area, outside Buol Regency), but these are fine as they exist.
  • 2. Someone has confused entries for the Banggai Regency (which lies on the "mainland" of Sulawesi) and the Banggai Islands Regency, which are separate regencies within Central Sulawesi. The Banggai Islands Regency article is OK (I have now added some data to it), and so is the article on Banggai Islands, although inevitably the two overlap. I would like to add an article on the separate Banggai Regency; however, this name has an automatic link to the Banggai article, so I have now altered so that it deals solely with the "mainland" Banggai Regency. Can you rename this article from Banggai to Banggai Regency? There should of course be a separate article on Banggai (town)
  • Rif Winfield (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for dealing with this. Perhaps we need to have a disambiguation page for "Banggai", as well as a new page for "Banggai (town)". Rif Winfield (talk) 09:16, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
While you have retitled the article Banggai regency, the link from Banggai Regency still takes the reader straight to the page dealing with the Islands. Can you fix this? Also, can you also deal with Buol as requested above - retitling Buol (city) to Buol (town) and deleting the duplicate article Buol (village). Many thanks. Rif. Rif Winfield (talk) 10:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Iron ore mining locations in Western Australia

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Category:Iron ore mining locations in Western Australia, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This should make you happy...

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...[1] - Evad37 (talk) 01:20, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seal Island

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What a hero!
I'm overwhelmed!!
Pdfpdf (talk) 12:27, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

lotsa more from where that came from... piece of chips my friend satusuro 12:54, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is your specialty turning water into wine, walking on water, or something else? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:00, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seal Island (Augusta, Western Australia)

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Where's Point Matthew, and why should I care? (Particularly given that it's such a boring photo!) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings and... reply

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Greetings SatuSuro. Thanks for your note. It's just that latest bit Pdfpdf added referring to that "reasonable view" has left me a bit disconcerted :) Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 10:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bushfires in Australia

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Hi SatuSuro,

I explained the edit's I made in the climate change section of the talk page. SWOldfield (talk) 11:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jolley

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Did you watch Australian Story last night? Very interesting. Moondyne (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re wheatbelt rail

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Ancient history!

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Copied from User talk:Maias:

Montebello Islands list
Hi! I've been working on Sortable list of islands of Western Australia, and came across the Montebello Islands list. I downloaded the spreadsheet used as a reference, but I can't work out how to use it to give me list of the Montabello Islands. Could you enlighten me please? Thanks in advance. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Pdfpdf. I am afraid that I cannot enlighten you on the matter as I am not enlightened on it myself. I did not have anything to do with the construction of that list. As I recall, I split it off from the Montebello Islands article, which it was severely unbalancing and which I was trying to improve, and created the list article to put it in. I think the list was probably put together originally by User:Ptilinopus, to whom an enquiry may be fruitful. Good luck! Cheers. Maias (talk) 14:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So, I had a look at the Montebello Islands article history, and I found your muddy boots! (It's a small world ... )
In particular, this edit dated 29 October 2006!!

So, different question: Where did you get your list of Montebello Islands names? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ROTFLMAO!! How simple, practical, and ... effective!!! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Wheatbelt railway lines of Western Australia section reorganisation

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Could you please update Talk:Wheatbelt railway lines of Western Australia#Section reorganisation/hierarchy required to reflect your current opinion on the matter, and/or how you would like to proceed. While I know your thoughts, and I suspect that Evad37 also does, the rest of the Wikipedia world sees an unresolved disagreement, with no apparently followup.

You might consider making "wrong" a subheading of "Section reorganisation/hierarchy required", to remove ambiguity. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia

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Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Crusoe8181 (talk) 12:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Seismic faults

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Thanks. The Darling Fault already had the category Category:Seismic faults so I was just moving it to a specific country category. Though generally I am moving articles about particular geological features from a general gategory to a category by continent (which includes the few countries with a country category, usually USA, UK, Canada only). Other categories are Category:Stratigraphy and Category:Geologic formations. While I am not checking thru each article you could move Darling Fault to another category if it is not a seismic fault. Hugo999 (talk) 09:38, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Southeast Asia could be split from Asia, but it would need Category:Geology of Southeast Asia as well as Category:Geography of Southeast Asia, so will do that first. Hugo999 (talk) 21:29, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Might you have the time to review a languishing article?

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Hi, SatuSuro! I have an article up for GA review for 3 months now, Blowing from a gun, I would like an experienced editor like yourself, with time on your side to have a look at. I asked a fellow editor, Boneyard90, if he had some suggestions to editors that might be interested, and your name turned up. I understand, of course, if you don't feel like getting involved, but there's no harm in asking, is there? :-) Arildnordby (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for a quick response on my talk page!Arildnordby (talk) 00:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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November 2013

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Information icon Hello, I'm The Banner. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to The Frontier Touring Company because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. The Banner talk 02:52, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How exiting my first warning message in 6 years, oh dear. satusuro 02:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Humble apologies! (I failed to notice this.) In my (no doubt very biased) opinion, this rates MUCH higher than my 666. Surely there's a barnstar to acknowledge this sort of event? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:36, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Seal Island

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OMG! What a boring looking page! (It looks like somewhere in NZ, or the UK in summer!) I personally KNOW that WA is NOT that boring!! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nowa Huta

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Quote - "Hello, Smw p2o2, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes."

Well, the hyperlink I added is valid, promotional and advertising. Every hyperlink can be treated that way. Drop the paranoia level a bit lower. The website I added got new snapshots and is in constant turmoil aka development. One can write thousand words but it is the illustrations which make such texts on towns more interesting. Thanks for your remarks.

--Smw p2o2 (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Australia–Indonesia relations

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I am keen to clean this article up. a lot of good information but difficult to read. thanks for contacting me. ps please don't expect an immediate reply I was always going to respond as you know I'm interested in improving bilaterals. LibStar (talk) 01:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 04 December 2013

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The Wikipedia Library Survey

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As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Freopedia listed at Redirects for discussion

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Freopedia. Since you had some involvement with the Freopedia redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). TeleComNasSprVen (talk • contribs) 16:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 11 December 2013

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Caves Road

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I presume that this means you are about to change this redirect https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caves_Road&redirect=no ...

You did check the link yourself didn't you? Or at least read my edit comment. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:59, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh I see

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I just say the word Toodyay and thought it was an easy toodyaypedia hit - n'er mind! Happy xmas! Victuallers (talk) 11:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)== Complete set of Categories to include ALL of the islands of WA ==[reply]

I'm assuming this won't offend you. OK, that's a bad idea - won't do that.
OK, I'm just a tiny bit pissed off that you removed the category related to islands off the coast of the Goldfields/Esperance region of WA - nothing that will cause loss of sleep, but I gotta admit that I'm pissed off to a medium level that you didn't come up with an alternative.

A solution to this is a COMPLETE set of Categories to include ALL of the islands of WA, and as you're the accepted expert/oracle/whatever, I hereby hand responsibility for solution of the problem to you! (And now I'm REALLY going to turn off my computer - goodnight) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hot

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Best wishes
for the holidays and 2014 from a warm place that's probably as hot as where you are ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Toll

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Hi Satusuro Thanks for the message. I have been contributing to Wikipedia, no doubt like others learning as I go. I am sorry I haven’t got the categories all correct. After Christmas I’ll go through them and refine them. Have you got any suggestions for the categories? I know someone removed the “Companies of New Zealand” from the Toll NZ page, when Toll Group NZ Limited seems to me to very clearly indicate the appropriateness of the category. It is somewhat confusing. Yes, I have been working on the Toll pages. They definitely did need some tidying up and updating. There were when I started and still are heaps of Toll pages and I and others think it would be good to reduce them down to 6 or 7 pages. Do you know of any editors who are good at reducing and reorganizing pages, that is getting rid of an assortment of orphan pages and providing info in more a logical and straight forward way. Regards --PinkAechFas (talk) 02:16, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Season's Greetings

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Merry Xmas!

Best wishes for a great Christmas, and for a happy, healthy and prosperous 2014! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


A Very Wiki Xmas

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(re [2]) and to you too! And here's a nice shiny template to brighten your page:


Evad37 [talk] is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

And a late Christmas present: Major roads in the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia - Evad37 [talk] 12:57, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers

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Thanks for the Christmas greetings. Yes, some strange goings-on at Lara Giddings etc by someone obsessed with the Litter Act 2007 or something... I don't get it! --Canley (talk) 10:56, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

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Sorry about the Australia edit, as I believe from your page you are Australian, I hope I did not hurt your country I did not mean for it to sound out quite like as it was written, but originally I was in a rush, now unnecessary and I just stuck it their at the top of the page, I didn't mean any ill harm and even if no offence was taken it would still have been inapprioprate, apologies.

Talkback

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Hadlow (ship)

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Hi, WP:V only requires that references are verifiable, not that they are instantly verifiable via a weblink. That said, I accessed them digital copies of the newspapers via the Gale News Vault via my library's website. The reason that I don't include urls in these references is that it won't be a valid url unless that reader has a Kent County Council library card. As you are in Australia, this link may be of use to you. Best, Mjroots (talk) 10:30, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Random page lurker comment. A few of these articles are also accessible online via the National Library digital archive. If no one minds I might link them for the idle interest of readers of the page. Euryalus (talk) 10:42, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
random? maybe one of the 148 [3] [4] - happy new year etc satusuro 11:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Euryalus: - As long as the weblink is accessible worldwide without special access, that's fine. The Australian newspapers sources are already linked, as they come via Trove. Mjroots (talk) 10:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure they are but let me know if you don't think these changes are of value. Euryalus (talk) 10:59, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
thanks one and all - happy new year to the other 147... satusuro 11:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Geography of West Java

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Category:Geography of West Java, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. ELEKHHT 04:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

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Take care and have a safe and happy New Year!Hoops gza (talk) 04:18, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Happy new year

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Thanks for the Christmas wishes and a happy new year to you! I'm off to Perth in an hour. I was supposed to fly yesterday and fly to the Pilbara today but Christine changed all that! Calistemon (talk) 07:29, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How did you come by this one? I didn't think to many people in Australia have heared of the book/movie/series. I had a quick look at the German article. It has a few external links but no sources for its information, something that is unfortunatly very common on the German Wikipedia. Calistemon (talk) 11:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Cat:Perth waterfront

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(When you need a break from real life...) could you respond to this please. I propose a minimal change to Category:Perth waterfront to remove the inconsistencies. It may not be the ideal long-term big-picture solution, but by removing the inconsistencies it will improve Wikipedia a little bit now with very little effort. If/when we improve/expand/rewrite/whatever the Perth Water, Swan River, etc articles we can improve/expand/re-arrange/whatever the categories as necessary. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just me who thinks that the categories should be well defined, in terms of what should go in them. Wikipedia:Categories#Creating category pages includes:

Sometimes, a common-sense guess based on the title of the category isn't enough to figure out whether a page should be listed in the category. So, ... it is helpful – to both readers and editors – to include a description of the category, indicating what pages it should contain, how they should be subcategorized, and so on. In such cases, the desired contents of the category should be described on the category page, ... The category description should make direct statements about the criteria by which pages should be selected for inclusion in (or exclusion from) the category. This description, not the category's name, defines the proper content of the category. Do not leave future editors to guess about what or who should be included from the title of the category. Even if the selection criteria might seem obvious to you, an explicit standard is helpful to others, especially if they are less familiar with the subject.

Mitch Ames (talk) 13:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help ...

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Hi Sats, I doubt if you will recall but I remember you from when I was editing on An Account of Corsica a good few months ago. I have a question about images on Commons, so I'm hoping you can advise or help me before what might be all out war breaks out - see this article talk.

Hafspajen has managed to find three images:

  • [5] this one from the Romanian (?) WP;
  • [6] also from Romanian WP;
  • [7] Hungarian (?) WP.

He asked if I could move them to en.wp/commons but I had a look and I haven't got a clue what I'm supposed to do. I looked in the help section but still can't fathom it. Are you able to help as these images may help appease the escalating situation (I hope anyway!). SagaciousPhil - Chat 19:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Revert?

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Why you reverting it, it is already linked on the template. — иz нίpнόp ʜᴇʟᴘ! 08:23, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I know that. It's just to prevent from some of the "extremists". Anyway, thanks for the info. — иz нίpнόp ʜᴇʟᴘ! 08:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I would leave even I know the "Wikipedia can be edit by everyone" as I'm also have a right to protect my country articles from some neighbours user who keeps adding nonsense information on my country. Thanks for your time on discussing this. — иz нίpнόp ʜᴇʟᴘ! 09:08, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Please help me to add an article which is in pdf format as a reference which contains some good information in article Borobudur.It is second link of the article.User:Diptiprakashpalai

Please add this reference in the article Borobudur

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I want to add following reference to give support to the information that Borobudur represents Kalinga architecture.

//www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&ved=0CE4QFjAGOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.library.utoronto.ca%2Fiip%2Freview%2Fnru04%2FContribution_of_Ancient_Orissa_to_the_Worlds_Thought_and_Culture.pdf&ei=Vf7UUuy4EYmIrQfy0IHwDw&usg=AFQjCNG-vfVUBSNwRSWn2B-lVdz-LnoHYQ&sig2=DESS7b_6sh2NhPTXn25eXA&bvm=bv.59378465,d.bmk

But when I added it Wikipedia says, www.google.co.in is blacklisted so this link can not be added.Please help me adding this pdf file omitting google.co.in.Or let me know if it is not possible.User:Diptiprakashpalai

You need to extract the actual URL from google's redirection. eg in bold here
//www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=17&cad=rja&ved=0CE4QFjAGOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.library.utoronto.ca%2Fiip%2Freview%2Fnru04%2FContribution_of_Ancient_Orissa_to_the_Worlds_Thought_and_Culture.pdf&ei=Vf7UUuy4EYmIrQfy0IHwDw&usg=AFQjCNG-vfVUBSNwRSWn2B-lVdz-LnoHYQ&sig2=DESS7b_6sh2NhPTXn25eXA&bvm=bv.59378465,d.bmk
Then convert the %NN hex values from ASCII codes to characters, to get:
http://www.library.utoronto.ca/iip/review/nru04/Contribution_of_Ancient_Orissa_to_the_Worlds_Thought_and_Culture.pdf
Mitch Ames (talk) 13:21, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Water, water, everywhere

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May be of interest: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/2824643 – 1½ pages on the flooding in the Wheatbelt in March 1934, affecting Northam, Toodyay, York, Beverley, and surrounds, even down to Middle Swan. - Evad37 [talk] 02:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Toodyaypedia listed at Redirects for discussion

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Toodyaypedia. Since you had some involvement with the Toodyaypedia redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). John Vandenberg (chat) 05:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Party lists

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Yeah, maybe we could move it to WT:AUP? Or even Talk:List of political parties in Australia? You're right, it's getting a bit big for AWNB.

I remember when the list was changed - must've been just before the election. The contributor was acting in good faith, from what I recall, just very inexperienced. Every time I went to look at it I cringed, but it seemed like such a huge job and I'd back away. If we can get consensus to basically start it again (which certainly looks like where we're heading), that can only be a good thing. I think as long as the list page opens with a separate list of registered parties, it needn't be on a separate page - we could just redirect the other list, since it'll have the exact same information. (The first list on the current page is supposed to be registered parties only anyway, but I haven't really been keeping track lately.) Frickeg (talk) 09:07, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, don't worry - I completely understand the horror that can overcome one when confronted with a bad page. (I remember charging into the SMH comments to explain how, obviously, Christopher Pyne wasn't the second-youngest MP ever, how could you even think that, don't you do any research, etc., etc., only to discover that the misinformation had come straight from our page on Pyne - I reacted similarly.) Since it's one of the main pages in my area I'd probably become a bit blind to how bad it was, too. Frickeg (talk) 09:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy?

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Enjoy? One doesn't enjoy OCPD, one endures it for the benefit of our readers. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia killings 1965-66

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Did you mean, i must remove the caegory from that article? --AlfinIzraqsaatini (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lead sentences

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Within the space of a few hours, I saw:

  • this talk page post: "... have a look at what WP:LEAD is about. Articles that do not have clear lead sentences or lead paragraphs can be a problem"
  • this article edit: "Leeder's House is situated on Stirling Terrace in Toodyay, Western Australia."
  • this article edit: "Stirling House is located on Stirling Terrace in Toodyay, Western Australia."

So I read WP:LEADSENTENCE: "The first sentence should tell the nonspecialist reader what (or who) the subject is."

Your new lead sentences tell the reader where the subject is, but not what it is. As a minimum I suggest that perhaps they should be "Xxxxx House is a historic building on Stirling Terrace ...". Mitch Ames (talk) 08:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 15 January 2014

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Rumpo Up

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Sid Rumpo is up but I've got some queries that local Perth knowledge might help with:

  1. I'm not 100% on sole album title: First Offense or First Offence? In the article I've gone for the former (generally) but left a hidden note about the alternative.
  2. Some sources give "Jump Down Step Aside" as a separate single but I believe it was the B-side to "The Riddle" (which is given as their sole single).
  3. McFarlane says they started in November 1970 but Hood (a band member) says it was late 1971.

Altogether the article could use more refs to rumpo it up.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Yoga

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The article entirely fails to establish notability independent of yoga. Even the criticism are generic for the claims made by quack yoga advocates. The sources do not meet our sourcing guidelines. Virtually all substantive content other than the criticisms has been added by a small group of single purpose accounts, with strong overtones of conflict of interest. A valid article on the subject may be feasible, but would look entirely different. Guy (Help!) 14:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well done for choosing a better redirect target, thanks. Guy (Help!) 16:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Pictures of Western Australia

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Hello. I did not know no pictures were allowed of that site. However, I will be in Western Australia soon and will be taking pictures of the main areas of Perth at least, mostly parks, heritage buildings, etc. And photo requests do help people who are in the area to take pictures and add them, so please don't revert my photo requests. Of course I will check wikimedia commons first, but otherwise I will add a request tag on the talkpage. You are not the owner of all those pages, so you have no right to revert them. I also don't appreciate unpleasant comments, so if you are in a bad mood, so please keep it to yourself. If you want to help by creating more articles of heritage buildings, etc., however, let me know. I just can't take unpleasant messages. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While I am at it, I also remember you reverted some photo requests for WA politicians, and I am sorry, but I will have to add them back, because we need pictures to improve their pages. I may take some of their pictures if I meet them (probably only Liberals). Again, you are not the owner of any of this. Please try to understand. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine for that one (read above--I was not aware of the restrictions), but other photo requests of buildings, places, people are absolutely legitimate.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will probably visit Tasmania at the point later this year. So frankly, the photo requests there are useful. Lots of working holidayers do that, and they are far more likely to take pictures if they see a request tag. But these days I focus on the places I actually live/travel to, so I'll stay with WA for now. (Even in remote places, miners may see a tag and thus take pictures to add here.)Zigzig20s (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't harass me. I did not create that church article. If it's not notable, please get it deleted. Otherwise, yes, any building should have at least one picture. If it's not legal to take a picture of a certain building like the barracks, sure, you may revert it. However, if there is a small mining town without pictures, the photo request should not be reverted at all. Eventually someone will add a picture.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:30, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

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It was deleted (log) for copyright violations. I noticed that the English in the article was quite different from talk. So, I suspect copy/paste was the order of the day. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please Point

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To the appropriate point of consensus relative to standard format, I fail to see how removing a qualifier of whether a loco is a steam or loco that is diesel powered is not rather important, as in WA for a start there are locos that are either that have had same class letter. The S class loco, as is is not anywhere - neither. Hope there is some easy explanation, as it is a vexing and odd change from where I sit in Western Australia - cheers. satusuro 09:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding format, per other states the article name reflects the operator who took delivery of the class, hence in Victoria pre 1983 we have Victorian Railways B class, Victorian Railways B class (diesel) etc, and post V/Line G class, V/Line N class etc. While the MRWA and WAGR acronyms may be recognisable by WA readers, probably not so on a global scale, hence the need to expand.
When all listed in the WAGR xx format, the (diesel) tag only appeared if a steam locomotive class had previously used that class, hence WAGR DB class, WAGR X class etc did not have. As Westrail only appeared in the diesel era, don't see the need. But I have set up so that Westrail S class (diesel) will redirect to Westrail S class. Hope this explains the method in the madness. Mo7838 (talk) 09:26, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See the comments I have put on Mo7838's talk page. Bahnfrend (talk) 14:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph Gutnick

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Don't know if you read it put a company he is the chairman of, Blackham Resources, has just aquired my old mine, Wiluna Gold Mine, which he once before owned through Great Central Mines from 1997 to 2000. Full circle for Wiluna and old Joe! Calistemon (talk) 08:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to add a bit more to the article, among it his birth year. I also added a link to the article on his father, Chaim Gutnick which, unbelievably, was actually missing! Calistemon (talk) 11:50, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

St Mary Star of the Sea (Roman Catholic Church), etc.

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Hello. 1) Too late for the sunburn! 2) I may have very limited time online, so I thought perhaps locals would be able to tell me what is required to save time. 3) The Catholic church, St Mary Star of the Sea, is apparently not in Cottesloe, but in Peppermint Grove. Yet wikimedia commons suggests it is in Cottesloe. I trust the parish website more. I am not sure how to fix this, however. (I upload pictures on wikimedia commons, but I've never changed categories there, etc.) I will create a userpage for it and work on it, but I'd rather do this on my own until I move it to a proper article. I'm not sure if it's heritage listed (it should be!), but Church of the Good Shepherd (Beverly Hills, California), where I prayed last summer (winter for you), isn't and yet it has its own referenced page with pictures, etc. 4) I don't meet other wikipedians in person usually. I like to keep it quite impersonal, which is probably why I was unsure about the tone of some of your messages at times. But the sunburn alert makes me think you must mean well. Keeping a certain distance is usually a good idea, however. Have a nice day.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:36, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Actually, just noticed it's here as well. The plaque near the church does mention Cottesloe, so perhaps it is located in Peppermint Grove but covers Cottesloe parishioners as well. Another possibility is that Peppermint Grove was established after Cottesloe perhaps? (This church was built in 1904.)Zigzig20s (talk) 00:11, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I thought it was strange that there was a sign for a museum of natural history. I apologize for making an easy mistake, although I think the person who should apologise might be whoever uploaded that picture... The internet here is really very slow and I was unable to load google street view to check the address with the wikimedia commons picture. However, please refrain from attacking me aggressively for being foreign and not local. The appropriate way to communicate with me would be to say, "Thank you very much for your edit, but I believe this is incorrect..." I have never interacted with someone as blunt as yourself, in life or online. You may not realize how unpleasant it is, but I simply won't be able to tolerate it much longer. I don't think it is your intention to be so abrupt, but either way it is not too rosy. This is not the first time I have asked you this. Now that this has been said, it looks like Guildford was a society town in its day (and is still home to the polo club whose page I am working on), so it really should be expanded significantly.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:33, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's a bit of a sheltered life, though I try to do charity work when I can as well. I might try to volunteer for Aboriginals while I am here. On a less personal note, are you able to go to Guildford and take pictures of the real Garrick Theatre please? Also St Matthew's Church, Guildford if you can please. But otherwise I will try to do that. As for the polo club, what I might do is create a stub pretty soon and then you could expand it if you want. Two people whose article creations would be useful meanwhile are Eric Silbert and Neil McNeil, in case you want to do this. Otherwise I will try to work on them later.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Garrick Theatre and St Matthew's Church, Guildford could do with a picture, yes. And also more pictures of the town in general. Right now the page has no picture at all. (There are some on wikimedia commons, but they are not great.) And the article is very short. If you want to expand the article with referenced info, by all means go ahead. I will let you know when I move my userpage about the polo club to an article. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Apology accepted. I hope this remains a courteous and productive collaboration.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you are referring to the Australian Prospectors & Miners' Hall of Fame, anybody in Kalgoorlie can easily take a picture, so the photo request should stay there. Lots of people live there and visit as I'm sure you know. And I think we should stop talking full stop, because this seems to be going nowhere due to inconsistency and it is a waste of time. Bye.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Australian mining entrepreneurs

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Just wondering, what defines an Australian mining entrepreneur? How much money has somebody to have to qualify? For example, does Mark Cutifani qualify? Well paid, no doubt, but more of an administrator rather then and entrepreneur. Calistemon (talk) 11:59, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guess rich and wealthy rules out old Paddy then? Calistemon (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the list. No current names on it given that, to qualify, one has to be either dead or over 75 and retired. Well, that leaves me 30 years to get there! Calistemon (talk) 12:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have added Australian Prospectors & Miners' Hall of Fame to the requested articles list on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Western Australia/to do. From there the next step would be List of Inductees of the Australian Prospectors & Miners' Hall of Fame. Calistemon (talk) 12:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit-loss

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I am sorry, but I was not responsible for the loss! Even in the case of an edit-conflict, the source of your edit will remain on the browser window and you can retain it from there. Anyway, I regret again. Faizan 14:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your message on my talk page. Faizan 14:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

History of Perth

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No worries, I hear you and I will try to outline my changes on the talk page. Adondai (talk) 02:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure you've noticed my edits, and you probably stopped looking after a while, what with all those boring punctuation and grammar corrections, but I've also added a mention of one of your favourite topics. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Prospectors & Miners' Hall of Fame

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You haven't by any chance taken off to Kal to get a picture for the article? Calistemon (talk) 02:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oceania

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Thanks, I think you're right about the boundaries of Oceania. I was confused because the article Oceania includes three maps, "Geopolitical Oceania," "Wider Geographic Oceania," and "Narrower Geographic Oceania," and says: "The states that occupy Oceania that are not included in geopolitical Oceania are Indonesia, Malaysia (through Malaysian Borneo), Brunei, the Philippines, and East Timor." Going with the first, geopolitical definition, the Category:European colonisation in Oceania should not contain the Philippines or Portuguese Timor. But the Dutch East Indies‎ included half of New Guinea (what later became Netherlands New Guinea), and the Spanish East Indies included much of Micronesia (Guam, etc.), so I think they should be retained. Let me know if you agree, and I will remove some of the categorizations. Goustien (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Philippines, Timor, and Dutch East Indies from the category, but kept Spanish East Indies. Goustien (talk) 16:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

CBH class

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Many thanks for your input on CBH class. As can be seen there have been some disagreements by 2 editors on a number of points. Some progress has been made in resolving, some still to be made. Until said 2 editors have exhausted all avenues of reaching a compromise, I think it best for them to resolve without 3rd parties reversing posts. In can cause unnecessary aggravation. But obviously 3rd opinion may need to be sought later on in the process. Mo7838 (talk) 03:03, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for you informed opinion. Bahnfrend and I will work through our differences, if 3rd party opinion is needed I will let you know. As I said before it will be easier for the 2 parties to sought out without 3rd party input. Mo7838 (talk) 03:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstand what wikipedia is about, you are basically telling me to go away and leave it to you and bahnfrend do - that is not what wikipedia is about, perhaps you are an advocate for adverserial negotation - delete, discuss, delete, discuss... try showing me something on wp that actually says that is the way things work on wikipedia. Also the impact of the editing on that particular article actually has impact on a range of other articles, you might not even know about. satusuro 03:47, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What I am suggesting is that currently 2 editors have some differences of opinion. It is going to be far easier if the 2 editors can work through these without having to deal with the added curveballs of a 3rd editor reversing edits. As your contributions to the article are not the issues being discussed, then can you perhaps 'hold fire'. Of course any editor is willing to contribute, no such thing as a closed shop on wiki. But more productive if done via the article's talk page rather than just reversing edits.
I have no idea what your last sentence is about.Mo7838 (talk) 04:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted

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Mistakes happen. I would like to add a reqphoto tag to Australian politicians though. If anything, it would remind ME of who I need to take pictures of when I meet them. Btw, I've added a few pictures to Swanbourne, Western Australia. It looks better with a few pictures, don't you think? A year ago, orderinchaos had removed my reqphoto tag, so I am glad I just happened to be taking a stroll there and took pictures...but if there had been a tag, I would've seen it and would've made a point to go take some pictures there. This is what the reqphoto tag is for...I still don't understand why you are opposed to it. At all. I feel like overtagging would happen if I added a reqphoto tag to a page which already has at least one picture, but I don't do that.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Refs please, or it didn't happen. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed regarding sources

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Hey sats, long time no talk. I am currently gathering sources for my latest project, the Icon Complex. If you search for 171011_Supporting_Info.pdf on Google there is a link to a file that has everything I need from the Hobart City Council and unfortunately, I find their website most unhelpful. Wikipedia won't let me cite it as I can see it (I think its a funky google redirect). Please help me use http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hobartcity.com.au%2Ffiles%2F06ef439a-450b-48dd-b33d-9f7b00f2017e%2F171011_Supporting_Info.pdf&ei=mrABU_j3Nc-RlAX6vYHwBA&usg=AFQjCNGy8xhtzY6MEgNPCjB8QQtbE7qQ8w&bvm=bv.61535280,d.dGI as a source and tell me how to solve this problem myself in future? Wiki ian 06:54, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) The url you want is http://www.hobartcity.com.au/files/06ef439a-450b-48dd-b33d-9f7b00f2017e/171011_Supporting_Info.pdf . The trick to extracting this from the google redirect is to (1) trim it down to the stuff between &url= and &something-else= (&ei= in this case), then (2) undo the percent-encoding, by changing each %XX to the normal character (eg %2F to /). - Evad37 [talk] 12:53, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't it be nice if Wikipedia did this automatically... I've raised the matter at Wikipedia talk:Spam blacklist#De-obfuscating google links. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

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Replying to your see also comment. I understand your concern and I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to reply. Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism share a common heritage and similar philosophical concepts. Some of them share common myths, common deities and even common texts. With that background, I was of the opinion that given the shared history, similar articles about these religions within the same country/region would be of importance to the reader. If I'm researching Sikhism in Thailand, I would definitely like to know what was the experience of similar Indian migrant communities. If I'm researching Hinduism vs Buddhism, I would like to know why Buddhism took root in Thailand while Hinduism didn't. With that said, if you find edits to articles that do not share a cultural/regional/social heritage, feel free to revert them.--Aayush18 (talk) 07:27, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References to article section in "See also"

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Given this addition to/of the See also section, you might be interested in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout#See also - article sections. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:13, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Aurizon electric locomotives

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Just to claify, my rationale for suggesting that this article possibly be deleted / merged / disambiugated. Not a case of deleting information for the sake of it. Article was originally created as an all encompassing article for QR's electric locomotives in lieu of having individual articles for each class.

As these now exist, is this article merely a duplicate? The Rail electrification in Queensland covers the infrastructure information in more detail. Personally believe a disambiguation page is the best solution. Mo7838 (talk) 06:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

please cease posting on my page

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Please desist from personal attacks as in this [8]. LibStar (talk) 08:12, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gladly - I didnt want to go there in the first place, but the behaviour at the afd required comment

For the record - Libstar is deleting comments on his talk page about his pointless argument about something which has nothing to do with the afd which is capable of being closed as keep.

WP:Drop_the_stick_and_back_slowly_away_from_the_horse_carcass comes to mind. satusuro 08:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you disagree with someone, hardly a way to resolve it by not so subtly placing a personal attack in the edit summary. LibStar (talk) 08:26, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note very carefully I do not delete comment from others. Specially if they are from editors who have a record of deleting constantly from their own talk page.


WP:Drop_the_stick_and_back_slowly_away_from_the_horse_carcass is galloping around like a brumby from Karratha satusuro 08:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

nice to see you are following me... LibStar (talk) 13:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
delusions of an attention seeking troll: evidence from my watch list I happen to have a very large number of indonesian places on my watch list - and as libstar always deletes criticisms and challenges on his talk page - I leave this here for anyone to see the obvious answer:
  • 11:30 Bandar Lampung‎‎ (3 changes | history) . . (-454)‎ . . [Davidelit‎; LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎
  • 11:25 Samarinda‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎]
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  • 11:23 Bandung‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎]
  • 11:23 Manokwari‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎]
  • 11:22 Semarang‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎]
  • 11:22 Sorong (city)‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎]
  • 11:21 Palembang‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎]
  • 11:20 Surabaya‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [LibStar‎; Ohconfucius‎]
calling someone an "attention seeking troll" is a personal attack, consider this your 2nd warning. LibStar (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise - Libstar please stay away from my talk page satusuro 14:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That was pretty cool - please tell me how you did that.

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This is quite impressive. Please tell me how you achieved this? Wiki ian 12:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Buddy, How goes it? Can you be more specific, in relation to your question? Wiki ian 15:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am reluctant to play around with references to which I'm not familiar with, but I can keep an eye out. Have you noticed me playing around with the Tasmanian related, rail pages? Do you know of any online reading related to Tassie's railroad past/present Wiki ian 15:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I made this category because in Indonesian history we already have Category:Islamic states in Indonesia (Demak, Banten, Mataram Sultanate etc.) and why not Hindu Buddhist? It was meant to refine the Category:Pre-colonial states of Indonesia. Some ancient states such as Srivijaya and Majapahit page already fell well within this category. I put together Hindu-Buddhist in one basket because in most of ancient Indonesian kingdoms, Hinduism and Buddhism exist and adhered side by side, despite one of them for certain period might enjoyed royal patronage even more. The examples are Medang (Mataram kingdom), Singhasari and Majapahit that seems favour both Hinduism and Buddhism. Gunkarta  talk  12:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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Kelurak inscription

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My friend I just removed a category,which dim²dn't exist. You can compare the edits.Skr15081997 (talk) 14:42, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Medang = Mataram

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I just made a section addressing this naming issues: Medang Kingdom#Kingdom's name, also see Talk:Medang Kingdom#Mataram or Medang?. Cheers. Gunkarta  talk  16:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Did Pihl influence Fitz of QR?

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It is hard to say because article on Carl Pihl is vague about when he started to argue in favour of the narrow gauge, nor when he actually built them.

If Fitz had worked 5 or 10 years later, he might have observed 8 chain curves, 1 in 33 gradients, and zig zags, all on standard gauge in next door NSW.

Also what would have been necessary to enable standard gauge rolling stock to go around 5 chain curves ?

  • centre buffer couplers
  • bogie vehicles rather than four-wheelers.
  • the bogie Fairlie locomotive can of course work on any gauge.

Tabletop (talk) 12:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Choice of Gauge in Queensland

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Apart from the Main Range (Bigg's Camp to Toowoomba), Queensland is pretty flat and quite suitable for 1435mm gauge tracks.

My solution to the main range problem would be

  • Heavy 53kg rails (30kg elsewhere)
  • Heavy locomotives with 20T axle loads (10T elsewhere)
  • 1 in 33 gradient (say 1 in 80 elsewhere; steeper than 1 in 50 on actual Main Range)
  • 10 chain curves (5 chains elsewhere)
  • 10 chain curves more suitable for Fairlie Locomotives, and long wheel base locomotives?
  • Heavy say 2-8-0 locomotives on Main Range (Light 0-6-0 locomotives elsewhere)
  • Workshop at one end of heavy Main Range track, Bigge's Camp or Toowoomba, so that only delivery trip from Ipswich over light tracks, if any.
  • Heavy locomotives otherwise captive to Heavy track on Main Range.
  • Possible temporary zig zags, to be replaced by tunnels or deep earthworks later.
  • Light rolling stock has no problem operating on heavy track.
  • Light and heavy locomotives do of course have to be changed at ends of Main Rain Section.
  • Future cane tramways can be 610mm.
  • No real problem with 1435mm/610mm dual gauge if required.

This all amounts to a "Break Of Weight" rather than "Break Of Gauge", which is less severe.

Did FitzGibbon think of any of this?

Did the UK Gauge Commission of 1845 consider gauges narrower than 1435mm? No!

If Queensland has to go narrower than 1435mm, then 610mm (like Festiniog Railway) would be even cheaper than 1067mm.

  • 610mm would allow even sharper curves, say 2 chains.
  • 610mm would require bogie rolling stock rather than 4-wheelers.
  • 610mm would perhaps be able to avoid expensive tunnels.
  • 610mm would be able to be made longer with lesser gradients, by following contours closer.
  • 610mm would need centre buffer couplers instead of English dual buffer couplers
  • 610mm can be replaced by 1435mm gauge lines as traffic increases
  • 610mm lines in Namibia, Angola, Mozambique, and Republic of Congo were built initially, only to be replaced by 1067mm gauge line as traffic increases. There is some mention of QR doing the same kind of upgrade.
  • Break of Gauge between 1435mm and 610mm gauge can be overcome by having Piggyback trains, such as between Port Augusta and Leigh Creek in the 1950s.
  • With train on trains, either the wide gauge structure gauge has to be about 1m taller than normal, or the small gauge loading gauge has to be about 1m shorter than normal, 1m being about the height of the rails mounted on the flat waggons of the wide gauge train.

Tabletop (talk) 22:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Compare Main Range and Blue Mountains

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The Great Dividing Range is mostly higher and rougher in NSW than in QLD.

Compare Toowoomba 2267ft; 1 in 50 max gradient, perhaps follows contours on side of mountain? No zigzags. Built first. Tabletop (talk) 02:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

with Katoomba 3337ft; 1 in 33 max gradient, often constrained by narrow ridgeline ; Two Zigzags. built second after Main Range Line.

The Great Dividing Range maybe so called because of its length in world terms, not its height. Tabletop (talk) 11:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to find elevations for crossings of the Great Dividing Range, but have succeeded only with some. Tabletop (talk) 12:33, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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State Batteries in Western Australia

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No picture for State Batteries in Western Australia? Last week, going through Hill End, New South Wales this one and thought of your article. Were the WA ones similar?Calistemon (talk) 05:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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fyi - Talk:Troy Buswell#the Party going forward, boldly - Mitch Ames (talk) 12:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hang Nadim

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Please visit the WP page for this airport. It asserts in the lead that it was built originally as an overflow/emergency facility for Changi, but no sources are cited. Also refers to expansion of Changi in the lead as if this airport is still an extension of Changi's role in the region. I don't have time and resources to investigate (and you might not either) but I thought I'd alert you. I did start this as the first topic on the Talk page for the airport.Martindo (talk) 09:24, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Wool Marketing in States

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Hi SatuSuro, thank you for messaging me. I'm sure you can pretty easily recognize that I am new contributor at Wikipedia. My most recent contribution in 'wool marketing' section was to point wiki towards a live site, as opposed to the one that's no longer active and is archived. isn't this the right thing to do?

Edited the page, after reading links and guidelines. I think the page I edited, has been changed back to what it was - without considering that the change I made was spam or not. Fearlessfarooq (talk) 09:14, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Elevations and Distances

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The elevations and distances Kalgoolie, Katanning, etc. are for the railway station and the distance from Perth by rail. Wiki does not say how the town elevation is measured for, and the distance quoted is perhaps by road.

The rail measurements are quoted from an official source, whereas the town measurement may have no citations.

So there is room for more than one measurement. Tabletop (talk) 10:11, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox station

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The infobox station has fields for various parameters associated with railway stations, such as "parking", "platforms", "tracks", etc.

There is even one for "elevation", and IIRC, "elevation citation."

Presumably editors are invited to insert such information as they become available. Tabletop (talk) 11:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Victoria Avenue, Perth - Refs/Notes

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Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Victoria_Avenue,_Perth&diff=609085506&oldid=609081465

There was a perfectly good References section in the article already - I know, because I put it there - so, per WP:FNNR, WP:CITEVAR, there was no need to change it. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suspected Irregular(or Illegal) Entry Vessel

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Re terminology at Suspected Irregular Entry Vessel, it seems to have swung back to '... Illegal ...' [9]. --220 of Borg 00:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Exchange Hotel, Kalgoorlie - cat

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Why did you remove Exchange Hotel, Kalgoorlie from Category:Heritage hotels? It does not appear to be in any subcategory of the category you removed it from. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:34, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Heritage hotel categories

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Avon Yard, Northan [sic]

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I've added " [sic]" to note 2 Inspection tour of Avon Valley Railway, Avon Yard and Northan by Western Australian Division of the Institute of Transport, Monday, 29th May, 1967 : itinerary based on the contents of the Trove link. However the Trove link is not the actual source, so it's possible that it really should be Northam rather than Northan. How does the actual book spell it? Is Northan a typo somewhere or is a completely different place to Northam? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SA rail gauge

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Rather than remove the broad gauge cat due to there being three gauges, why not add the other two ? There's no link on the 3 6 page to say SA had rail. More a 'help me' than a critique. --Dave Rave (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Categories named after people

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Hello, SatuSuro. Please familiarize yourself with the Category:Wikipedia categories named after people. As you can see, it is Wikipedia policy to only use subcategories of that category as parent categories for the categories named after people. The reason for this is because the articles in the categories named after people are not solely the people, but rather various articles related to the people. Therefore, it is inappropriate to add parent categories such as the ones you are doing. - Hoops gza (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please take some time to try to understand how hidden categories work instead of resorting to posting expletives on my talk page. Your edits in this area will be reverted. - Hoops gza (talk) 03:07, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Wheatbelt project talk page - section hierarchy

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Re https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Western_Australian_Wheatbelt_Project&curid=40756949&diff=611509386&oldid=611364391

Should "June - July 2014 plans" and "September - October" be subsections of "Tasks"? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers

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Thanks for your kind words, and your support. Didn't do much on the caves really.... Doing some stations in NT, SA and Qld now, bit like working interstate. Keep your eyes on the stations list and join in if you can. Keep up the good work yourself....and thanks again. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Wiki Loves Pride

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SatuSuro, thank you for expressing your concern. I am not sure how to respond, however. I am being sent mixed messages. Specifically regarding this campaign, I have received messages from people who live in the Middle East and Asia who have expressed appreciation for spearheading this campaign. Messages like these were what inspired me to create the remote participation page, for those who cannot attend in-person events but want to contribute to LGBT-related content on Wikipedia. Also, at WikiConference USA, we discussed global outreach initiatives as part of meta:Wikimedia LGBT, which will sooner go through the process of applying to become an official Wikimedia user group. We have discussed cultural differences, privacy, and concerns about real-life organizing in certain parts of the world, but this is the first I time I have been discouraged from posting invitations to participate in WLP at various WikiProject at English Wikipedia. In other words, I am hearing that invitations are encouraged, and now also discouraged. I have spent much time distributing invitations, and I have noticed that a couple have been removed, which I interpret is either for good reason or because someone does not believe the invite belongs on a talk page. Neither offends me. I am doing what I believe to be good work, but at the same time I would never want to put anyone in danger. I would seek assistance with removing talk page invites for recommended locales. Perhaps you could assist with this task or respond with specific requests on my talk page or on the Wiki Loves Pride campaign page. --Another Believer (Talk) 03:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The syntax is terrible. Will look at it tomorrow. Is he the only gay writer from WA btw?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:02, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Fremantle walking tours and trails

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There is a problem with one of the refs. It starts out as <ref>Meredith | author3=Hutchison, D. E. (David Eric), 1927- | author4=Pike, Penelope I don't know who author1 or author2 should be. Bgwhite (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia Library: New Account Coordinators Needed

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Thanks for adding that reference! Since I presume you've got that book handy to add it so quickly, would you mind adding a bit more about when and where they met there? Ta! The Drover's Wife (talk) 04:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's a key fact about the early history of Bellevue, which is why it's mentioned in the article. It'd be nice to pin it down to a time period and a location. Which of the motley cluster of old buildings in Bellevue was it in, or is the building gone? I'd love to know. The Drover's Wife (talk) 11:17, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Since you added the source, I'm presuming that you read at least the relevant bit of it last night, in which case I don't get why it's a problem to add the relevant figures. That wasn't a demand, it was a question. Though since you didn't provide a page number and don't seem to have checked the book before adding the reference for something that I've not been able to independently verify, I'm of a mind to remove the thing as unverifiable. The Drover's Wife (talk) 13:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't understand the attitude if you've got a copy of the book. It's a thirty-second task (and that's if you don't already know the answer which from what you've said so far is very possible; it's not even as if it'd need a new cite). Why go out of your way to be unhelpful? The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And if you'd said that from the get-go that's all that would have been necessary. I'm not trying to make you go out of your way, I was just mystified by the attitude. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:58, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Freopedia for deletion

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Confusing gardens

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Do we have any reliable sources for the claims [10][11]that people (other than Wikipedia editors ) mistake the Supreme Court and Stirling Gardens? Mitch Ames (talk) 01:57, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed renaming of proposed railways/proposed rail infrastructure categories

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Please see my proposal to rename Category:Proposed railways to Category:Proposed railway lines and to rename or upmerge some of the subcategories and related categories. Hugo999 (talk) 01:59, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Railway history

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Yeah, I'm actually a Perth local these days - well, after five or six years I think I can call myself that. I knew about the Fremantle line ones - hard not to since some of the stations are still there, hadn't heard of the further-out Armadale line ones, and was surprisingly ignorant about the Midland lines one since I spent most of the past year working in Bellevue. (This was also why I was curious about the shire stuff, and I'm sorry if I came across rudely in asking about that.) I'd kinda heard there used to be a (metropolitan?) station at Bellevue, but don't know much beyond that, or much generally about the old lines out through the Avon, but am always curious to know more. I still work out there occasionally, so I might be able to do some photography if there's anything in the Midland/Bellevue area you can think of that could do with some snaps. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love to come to the next meetup! Do you know when it's happening? I had a bit of a look the other day but couldn't find anything. I've been doing a lot of work on articles back around where I grew up in Victoria because a lot of what was there was awful or plain nonexistent, but I'd have much better access to resources if I was doing work on WA - I'm just a little bit nervous about treading on toes since there's a much more active group of editors over here. The Drover's Wife (talk) 14:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Here's the article, Trinity Church, that I've been working on.... Might look at splitting it to separate out Trinity Arcade. Don't put it into main space yet as I'm thinking of using it for a DYK.Dan arndt (talk) 08:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

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I didn't apply the categories - they were already there when I got here eg https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hull_to_York_Line&oldid=578825436 - before I edited it ! Prof.Haddock (talk) 02:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Busy

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- to the many page stalkers and nothing to read, have a monkey - surely there is something more interesting out there?

In transit

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wish I knew more latin to leave something significant - like read first before posting in latin or greek. satusuro 23:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Response

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Hi SatuSuro, thanks for getting in touch with me. I wasn't sure whether anyone would notice I was here...

Most of the edits I've made have been to the South Melbourne market page, which was recommended for editing on the Wikipedia:Community portal. The note said that it needed links, so I tried to add in more, as well as references. Where possible I looked for third party sources, but there weren't too many available.

I honestly have no connection to the market and the council that runs it, beyond having shopped there frequently, so I can assure you there wasn't any deliberate advertising going on.

Since I was really doing this for practice as a new editor, is it possible for you to let me know which bits in particular are problematic?

(Actually, looking at the short list of contributions, I can see that my reference to "the famous South Melbourne Market dim sims" may look like promotion. I've tried not to sound so promotional in the article itself, but the dim sims really are what the market is best known for in Melbourne. And I felt the article needed a bit more information other than just when the building was constructed.)

I'd hate to think I'm inadvertently breaking the rules so early in the game! Astrocave (talk) 06:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I picked a bad page to practise on... A comparable market would be the Prahran Market, which has much, much more information on its page. If I can't supply that much—especially considering most of the resources I can find are primary sources—does the lack of information mean it's not notable and should be deleted?Astrocave (talk) 06:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Bringmestarbucks

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"does not appear constructive"? It looks like you're being unusually AGF today - I was about to give him/her a level 2 warning. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I trust you're going to create Category:Agriculture of New South Wales, which didn't exist when you added this to it. WP:CATDEF says "An article should never be left with a non-existent (redlinked) category on it. ...", but I suggest that the principle should probably apply sub/super-categories also. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perth Polo Club and stations

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I've added a few articles, but honestly I moved this stub from my userpage to a proper article for others to expand it. I don't really have time right now to fully expand it. Perhaps, you or others from the WP can do it. Otherwise I may have some more free time later, but not this weekend for sure. This stub is better than nothing at the very least. Re: station: seems a bit strange that Victoria only has two--what is the rest of the land? I'm not sure the list is complete.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be useful for backpackers, for one. There are lots of scams out there for them because there isn't much information to be found ahead of time. But this may be more a political turn of events than anything--forget European immigrants, welcome absentee Chinese investors and their children/students, etc. It doesn't look like time-honored Australian pastoralism is encouraged or promoted much any more. Is there even much pastoral poetry being published these days? In any case, not much info out there about stations and pastoralism--too bad--everyone is all too happy with obscurantism.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My impression is that the traditional Anglo-Australian culture is dying. That's what I mean by pastoralism. It would certainly help to revive it if we expanded its coverage on Wikipedia, most notably because thousands of backpackers would then be empowered to go to the right places and embrace that lifestyle. But that has become "hidden history." Obviously, you may disagree on this definition if you are Aboriginal--now, their history is even more "hidden." What a strange country.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Some stations are larger than small towns, aren't they? I have also realised that there seems to be lots and lots and lots of lakes, mountains, rivers, etc. which have no article at all. Hence the "hidden history" feel--look away, there is nothing to see--and yet there is. I agree with you than more trainlines need to be built to improve access to so-called remote areas, but of course that will happen with more population--as long as they don't move to the three or four large cities you have. In any case, we really ought to be filling in the gaps in the meantime with more articles about small towns, stations, lakes, rivers, etc. Not as travel books, but as an encyclopedia.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:30, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Coastal cities

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(Replying to [12]...)
Whether the "city of Perth" abuts the coast depends on your definition of "city of Perth". I was merely moving the category from Perth to Category:Perth, Western Australia. I suggest you raise the matter on one of those talk pages. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Minto Stone

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Might be of interest. I started it since the chap who moved it was an antiquarian who once roamed in my neighbourhood... Shyamal (talk) 14:33, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Marine history

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Good morning SatuSuro. Yes I'm interested if you have genuine concerns about the status of maritime history. But why discuss the issue using my email? would it not be more appropriate to use your talk page or mine, or the talk page of Maritime history? Or do you have an ulterior motive, connected more to an admin who lives a little north of you than to maritime history? --Epipelagic (talk) 20:49, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Balinese politicians

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Australia (continent)

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It is difficult to understand your motive for thanking me for consenting to the use of "Oceania" when it was swiftly followed by reverting all my Australia (continent) edits. The consent was a first step. It ought to have been followed by a CFD to rename all the Australia (continent) categories. Your reversions were entirely premature and need to be reverted pending the outcome of potential CFD decisions. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bights and Plains

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I know that the Nullarbor Plain is "located on the Great Australian Bight coast" (my emphasis), but I find it difficult to believe that Category:Nullarbor Plain should be a subcategory of Category:Great Australian Bight. Perhaps we need a Category:Places along the Great Australian Bight coast. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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