Talk:UEFA Champions League/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2018

add hyperlink to real madrid in the "Most league wins:" answer Abhilash.bb (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Real Madrid is already linked several times in the article, so I don't think we need to link that occurrence. Gulumeemee (talk) 03:10, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2018

add in the fact that it is abbrieviated to "The UCL" or "UCL" COOLDUDE271 (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:46, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Prize Money?

It appears that the wikipedian who wrote this section has either overlooked or is not aware that each group stage drawn game produces an undistributed prize fund of €900k. I understand that this money is put into a pool and then redistributed pro-rata to the number of games each team has won. Thus the maximum prize money can actually be higher than is shown46.7.195.132 (talk) 18:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC).

Is prize money cumulative or either-or?

Does the winner get just the 10.5 million, or does they get the 10.5 million, plus the 4.9 for having gotten into the semis, plus...? I'd like to make this clearer in the article, but I want to be sure first: UEFA_Champions_League#Prize_money Gronky (talk) 16:34, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's cumulative, but now you ask, I'm not sure myself! – PeeJay 19:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

It is cumulative. In order to get to €80 mill plus it has to be cumulative. But if you want to look at at another way, winning all six group games is worth a minimum of €28.7 mill. If it were mot cumulative, you have to think that as the next stage is worth say €5 mill, then prize money is being deducted.46.7.195.132 (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Champions...?

Is it the first time that two finalists (Liverpool and Tottenham most recently) have gone the longest combined times without winning their own league championship?

For these two it's nearly 90 years.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.188.183.86 (talk) 14:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC) 

GAZPROM new sponsor

On 9 July 2012, Gazprom confirmed that they will be the sponsor of UCL and SuperCup for three years from 2012-13 season until 2015 [1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scoelho86 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Winning Clubs Edit Request

It has the wrong information for winning clubs, it says Manchester United have won 40 titles and most of the other clubs are wrong. Please fix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilsecord18 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

UEFA.com links changed

I work for UEFA, and I am updating broken links to our website (as our urls have all changed - this is also the case for match reports on the season pages (have updated then for the first few European Cup seasons) – UEFAlinks (talk) 10:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistencies with flags to lable clubs

I don't know if this is the right talk page as this issue occurs all over Wikipedia.

• Cardiff City F.C. is a team based in Wales that competes in England and is labled by
• The New Saints F.C. is a team based in England that compete in Wales and is also labled by

This is one example which could be explained by The New Saints once being based in Wales, but:

• AS Monaco FC is a team based in Monaco, never to be based in France, that compete in France and is also labled by

So do clubs use the flag of the country they are from or the country they compete in?Mn1548 (talk) 12:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Where the teams are based is irrelevant. What is relevant is the nation they represent when they compete in various competitions. Since the only way for Cardiff to qualify for the Champions League would be via the Premier League, they would be represented by an English flag, but probably with a footnote to explain why. I would argue that a flag would not be necessary for The New Saints, since the club has only played in Oswestry since 2007 and has historic links to Wales. As for Monaco, although the Monegasque Football Federation exists, they are registered with the French Football Federation and compete in the French league system, so represent France in international football. Let me know if that doesn't make sense. – PeeJay 13:55, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

That helps thankyou. The main problem I had was with Monaco, bit if it's registered with FFF that clears things up. Cardiff, Swansea, etc are usually noted with Welsh flags though but it does make more sense with them to be labled such despite playing in England. Mn1548 (talk) 12:56, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

No, my point is that Cardiff and Swansea should be given the English flag when they compete in Europe as they can only qualify through English competitions and as such represent England in Europe. For Cardiff's participation in the 2008 FA Cup Final, they have a Welsh flag because that's their home association, but when they compete in UEFA competitions, they should show up with an English flag. – PeeJay 19:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

This is such a bunch of nonsense lol :-D Where do you get this from? UEFA websites list those teams with the Welsh flag. Yes, they compete in English leagues, but they still get their own flags with them.

Those teams are members of the Football Association of Wales (FAW)! Forgotten that, hey? That's why they get the Welsh flag. It was officially decided by UEFA in 2012.

Honestly, why don't people research before they talk? A whole discussion that hasn't even been an issue for over a decade.Maxim.il89 (talk) 23:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Why would someone erase the passage about the game between English and Scottish champions in 1895?!

This is the passage:

The first time when champions of two European leages met was in what was nicknamed the 1895 World Championship, when English champions Sunderland beat Scottish champions Heart of Midlothian 5-3. Ironically, the Sunderland lineup in the 1895 World Championship consisted entirely of Scottish players - Scottish players who moved to England to play professionally in those days were known nicknamed the Scotch Professors.[2]Sunderland AFC Were World Champions![3] Prior to that, other "football World Championship" took place, however, those were between Scottish and English cup winners, as the respective leagues were yet established.[4] I mean, the one who removed it wrote, "That doesn’t look like a precursor" - Really? The first time two European champions meeting "doesn't look like a precursor"? Again, just to emphasise it, this game was the first time two European champions met! It doesn't get more "precursor" than that. Maxim.il89 (talk) 00:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

That looks like a domestic (UK) affair. Additionally, “world championship” is more in line with the world club championship. There is no correlation with that competition and this. Another issue is the sources, which are not reliable. Nampa DC (talk) 22:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How "domestic" is it if it was nicknamed the "world championship"... and those were the only two football leagues at the time?

It was the first time two European champions met, that is how it's relevant to the Champions League.

It's relevant to the "History" section just like the Challenge Cup or the Mitropa Cup. I mean, the Mitropa cup was literally organised between former member states of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, just like the Challenge Cup was literally organised between member states of the Austro-Hungarian Empire... that's pretty "local" too, and yet you don't run to erase it, and I'm not saying you should, because it has its relevance.

Point is, the event between Sunderland and Hearts was the first time two European champions met, and it was also nicknamed the "world championship" (as ironic as the World Series in baseball, true), and in that aspect, it's worth a mention. Maxim.il89 (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll tell you what, if the information about the first time two European champions met has to go, then information about a cup involving only members of the Austro-Hungarian Empire also has to go. I mean, common sense. Maxim.il89 (talk) 23:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

This seems futile, as you clearly have no interest in gaining a consensus. But, to contradict your point, one source you inserted into the article links the 1895 World Championship game to to “The Club World Cup”. That was my point above (before you shoehorned in the paragraph in to the article), the “world championship” is more in line with the world club championship, which the very source you added on here backs up. Nampa DC (talk) 23:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Pot, meet kettle. It's clear to me YOU have no interest in gaining a consensus, it seems like it's an ego thing for you.

Yes, but no. This wasn't a game between teams from different continents, they were from the same continent. If anything, you might argue it's relevant to both.

You won't find a direct link between the Champions League and the Mitropa cup either (both only relevant to Austro-Hungaria... before and after), and yet they're mentioned, and they should be, because it's all part of the events preceding to the creation of a tournament bringing together European champions. Maxim.il89 (talk) 00:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

You seem to be picking on the Guardian link, well, what about this? This link calls it the first Champions League game, and obviously it wasn't, really, but it was the first game between European champions. Maxim.il89 (talk) 00:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Are 32 teams official?

This question has already been subject of debate. There is only one question about it: do you have any proves of the tournament's beginning after the group stage? Official UEFA Reports tell the tournament begins from the play-off round. There is even official design used since that.

Thank you. 95.59.92.92 (talk) 08:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

You already have an answer in the page history. 95.58.117.249 (talk) 12:03, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand this question. UEFA statistical records only count the group stage onwards. Qualifying rounds and play-offs are treated separately. Thanks. – PeeJay 13:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, your sources talk about the play-offs being "included in the Champions League contracts", but the same source says the Super Cup is also included in those contracts, so is the Super Cup part of the Champions League too? – PeeJay 13:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Performances by club Table - Inter before Manchester United

Inter should come before Manchester United in the "Performances by club" table. Both teams have the same number of trophies (3) and the same number of finals (2), but Inter won its first trophy in 1964, while Manchester United won its first trophy in 1968. The chronological order is indeed used in the table when teams have the same number of trophies and/or finals.--84.212.229.55 (talk) 09:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

No, it’s based on their most recent win, not their first. – PeeJay 11:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

You are wrong PeeJay, please have a better look at the table, the criteria used is the chronological order when there is the same number of trophies/finals as I explained above. Look at the clubs with 1 trophy and 1 final for instance. So according to that criteria Inter Milan should be placed ahead of Manchester United in the table.--84.212.229.55 (talk) 08:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

No, you are wrong. The teams are already in chronological order, but the order is based on their most recent trophy, not their first, as I already said. – PeeJay 13:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

This is absolutely ridiculous! Is that a joke? The order is NOT based on the most recent trophy. Let's try to use another very basic example (so everyone can understand..) Nottingham Forrest and Porto have the same number of trophies (2), Nottingham Forrest won in 1979 an 1980 and Porto won in 1987 and 2004. And guess what? Nottingham Forrest is placed ahead of Porto as the English side won its first trophy BEFORE (in 1979) while Porto won its first trophy LATER (in 1987). Same procedure with the teams with 1 trophy and 1 final, with clubs ranked in chronological order according to their first success in the competition - Celtic (1967), followed by Hamburger SV (1983), and then Steaua (1986), followed by Marseille (1993) Borussia Dortmund (1997) an Chelsea (2012). So, Inter must be placed ahead of Manchester United following the (logic and simple) criteria of the table. This is indisputable.--84.212.229.55 (talk) 09:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The team's first title is irrelevant, we put them in chronological order based on their most recent title. Nottingham Forest's most recent title was in 1980, Porto's was in 2004, so we put Nottingham Forest first and Porto second. Manchester United's most recent title was in 2008, Inter's was in 2010, so we put Manchester United first and Inter second. How do you not understand this? – PeeJay 11:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

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Classification

Neither this page, nor the page covering this year's tournament (2021-22), explain how teams are classified in the groups if their points are equal, do they? The usual two methods are to look at the teams' goals somehow, or to look at the head-to-head record somehow, and I think the latter applies here, but I can't find it written. Should it be added, or is it somewhere else? And if it's somewhere else, should there be a reference to it? Nick Barnett (talk) 22:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Player records-lack of consistency

In this section we have two table: one for most appearances and one for most goals. In the first one its mentioned that appearances in qualification stages doesn't count. And per the list present we could see that only appearances after the rebranding to UCL are accounted (Maldini has 128 appearances in ECC/UCL combined plus 11 matches in UCL qualification stages). But the second table presents Di Stéfano as one of top-scorers. Of course he didn't play in the UEFA Champions League. Since this article covers all history of competition since its creation as European Champions Cup, those two tables should cover the time window, including all matches, including all qualification matches.Rpo.castro (talk) 08:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2022

Add in history Celtic Fc became the first British team to win the European Cup in the season 66-67 after beating Inter Millan 2-1. TopG69 (talk) 17:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Celtic are the first British team to win the European Cup TopG69 (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Remove vandalism

Please remove the editorial opinion in the intro regarding referees and Barcelona. Thharry (talk) 00:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 01:37, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

"second most important football competetion after the FIFA World Cup"

@Imamul Ifaz made an edit about this which I have reverted. Two of the three cited sources don't support the claim, and the third, which ranks the competition second, doesn't call it the "most important" but vaguely as among the "best", which is very subjective; one commentator's opinion about this is not due for inclusion in the lead or in the article for that matter, and it suffices that the lead says "one of the most prestigious". Arguably it makes little sense to compare the importance of competitions that are so different. For this reason, I oppose such a change, but I'm interested in what other editors have to say.—Alalch E. 19:07, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ADD THE ACCESS LIST FOR 2024-25 UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

		Teams entering in this round	Teams advancing from the previous round
First qualifying round (32 teams)		32 champions from associations 23-55 (except Liechtenstein)
Second qualifying round (30 teams)	Champions Path (24 teams)	8 champions from associations 15-22	16 winners from the first qualifying round
	League Path (6 teams)	6 runners-up from associations 10-15
Third qualifying round (20 teams)	Champions Path (12 teams)		12 winners from the second qualifying round (Champions Path)
	League Path (8 teams)	3 runners-up from associations 7-9 1 third-placed team from association 6 1 fourth-placed team from association 5	3 winners from the second qualifying round (League Path)
Play-off round (14 teams)	Champions Path (10 teams)	4 champions from associations 11-14	6 winners from the third qualifying round (Champions Path)
	League Path (4 teams)		4 winners from the third qualifying round (League Path)
Group stage (36 teams)		UEFA Champions League title holders UEFA Europa League title holders The two associations with the highest coefficients from the previous season will receive a extra Champions League spot. 10 champions from associations 1-10 6 runners-up from associations 1-6 5 third-placed teams from associations 1-5 4 fourth-placed teams from associations 1-4	5 winners from the play-off round (Champions Path) 2 winners from the play-off round (League Path)

500KM 31.47.22.42 (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I made a draft article and added this. Thanks for making it :) Thomediter (talk) 22:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, use capital letters only when it's needed. Otherwise, you may look like to be rude and to be shouting. Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 22:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

False Information

Lionel Messi didn’t win 4 ucls he got 3 2009,2011,2015 according to uefa website (https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0242-0e97e0ac1cb3-eef786ff788c-1000--lionel-messi-what-records-does-he-hold/) 37.26.28.183 (talk) 13:37, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

UEFA shares false information. Player statistics 2005-2006 of Messi: UCL 4+2 Apps; 1 goal https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/liga/2021-2022/lionel-messi-has-admitted-he-deeply-regrets-missing-barcelonas-champions-league-final-celebrations-i_sto8656843/story.shtml 80.138.127.37 (talk) 10:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Messi won it in 2006,2009,2011 and 2015, therefore he has won 83.59.52.204 (talk) 07:18, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2023

Celtic is a Scottish club not British, just like manchester is english and not British 80.43.29.71 (talk) 04:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NotAGenious (talk) 12:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2023

No other sports article has a list of sponsors. It's basically a big ad. Can it be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silent Nemesis2710 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I won't action this to allow others to weigh in, but I tend to agree. Bestagon ⬡ 02:45, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Bestagon^{Hexagons ARE the bestagons!} The sponsorships that were actually reported on in reliable secondary sources, i.e. that received independent media attention, should stay. However, that is only a handful. Those sourced to press releases and those without a source should be removed, in my opinion. Actualcpscm (talk) 08:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I think the correct balance would be to remove it to the eight (actually, apparently, nine?) conglomerates with sponsorship agreements as opposed to all the brands; I've edited the article to that effect. @Silent Nemesis2710, Bestagon, and Actualcpscm: your thoughts? Sceptre (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Sceptre. I'd still prefer if the entire section was removed. "Nissan" has also been added in since the change was made. For comparison, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals only has 1 line about sponsors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One has no section on Sponsorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup (probably the best comparison) has no section on sponsorship either. The sponsors are only mentioned in a line. Silent Nemesis2710 (talk) 21:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Again, some of these are sourced to press releases. The entire section on sponsorship should be based only on independent reliable sources, which right now it is not. Removing it entirely might be better than keeping it around in this state, unless better sources are found. Actualcpscm (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: That looks good to me. Thanks @Sceptre:! Bestagon ⬡ 01:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Bayern's record

I think that the phrase "Only one club has won all of their matches in a single tournament en route to the tournament victory: Bayern Munich in the 2019–20 season." in the lead is slightly misleading given that Bayern's achievement occurred in the COVID year where there were single-leg knockout matches. A note should, in my view, be added to clarify this. 111.220.91.241 (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Semifinalist

Why shouldn't the information of the top 4 teams of each period be on the main page? While in the Portuguese and Spanish version this is present. You have to go to other pages to see the results. The Portuguese version is really the most correct article. The English version is very weak. In order to see the results, you have to scroll through the entire text.

Semifinalist (1955-2023)

Source:

Semifinalist

Rank	Nation	Gold	Silver	Bronze	Total
1	Spain (ESP)	19	11	31	61
2	England (ENG)	15	11	21	47
3	Italy (ITA)	12	17	10	39
4	Germany (GER)	8	10	16	34
5	Netherlands (NED)	6	2	6	14
6	Portugal (POR)	4	5	2	11
7	France (FRA)	1	6	11	18
8	Scotland (SCO)	1	1	7	9
9	Yugoslavia (YUG)	1	1	3	5
10	Romania (ROU)	1	1	2	4
11	Belgium (BEL)	0	1	3	4
12	Greece (GRE)	0	1	2	3
	Sweden (SWE)	0	1	2	3
14	Czechoslovakia (TCH)	0	0	3	3
	Hungary (HUN)	0	0	3	3
	Soviet Union (URS)	0	0	3	3
	Switzerland (SUI)	0	0	3	3
18	Austria (AUT)	0	0	2	2
	Bulgaria (BUL)	0	0	2	2
	Poland (POL)	0	0	2	2
21	Turkey (TUR)	0	0	1	1
	Ukraine (UKR)	0	0	1	1
Totals (22 entries)		68	68	136	272

Provide a source that the English Football Association received a gold medal for this year's Man City victory, or cite a source which confirms that the Italian and Spanish FA received bronze medals for the semifinal appearances of Milan and Real...those are NOT the Olympic Games so we won't add some bullshit country medal tables, not to mention that the semi-final losers are not "bronze medalists" and are not treated as such anywhere, maybe in your head only. Snowflake91 (talk) 22:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

First, be polite. These tables are much better than editing the current nonsense and bullshit article. Second, this table shows the medal winning countries. It has nothing to do with the football federation of those countries. It is purely statistical. The nonsensical article here, even the finalist teams, should be found elsewhere. The whole article is some crap text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MHcc20 (talk • contribs) 22:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

You didn't provide any source that the semifinalists receive bronze medals, that's just your own interpretation and nothing more, the current table that shows only winners/runners-up for countries is perfectly fine. Snowflake91 (talk) 22:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

References

Dispute Resolution

I believe it should be added to the article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UEFA_Champions_League&diff=1174583237&oldid=1174574797

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UEFA_Cup_Winners%27_Cup&diff=1174583207&oldid=1174574653

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UEFA_Women%27s_Champions_League&diff=1174583221&oldid=1174574702

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UEFA_Europa_Conference_League&diff=1174522305&oldid=1174494865 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MHcc20 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

we don't need to number the seasons.

This user says by repeating a sentence, we don't need it!!! Based on which law and criteria? I say it is needed.

see: 2022–23 UEFA Champions League : The 2022–23 UEFA Champions League was the 68th season of Europe's premier club football tournament organised by UEFA, and the 31st season since it was renamed from the European Champion Clubs' Cup to the UEFA Champions League.

If it is not needed, then delete it in all articles. He has no logical reason why it is not needed!!!

There must be a need at the beginning of all 68 articles

These are two different situations. There is no need to number the seasons in a summary table, just list the season and the winner. In the lead of an article, it is useful to tell readers how many seasons there have been. Thanks. – PeeJay 13:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)