Talk:UEFA Champions League/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Map is incorrect

It does not include Scotland as a country who clubs have featured in the group stages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.198.172 (talk) 23:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted the map untill it is changed. 70.90.198.172 (talk) 23:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Map of UEFA countries, teams from which have reached the group stage of the UEFA Champions League.

  countries with participants in the group stages.

Early discussions

For God sake change the 2005 data. Liverpool beat Chelsea 1-0 in the semi final and the final hasn't even taken place yet!

but isn't the Cup Winners' cup now part of the Champs league? or is it part of the Uefa cup? Those Blatter changes have me all confused! JHK

According to the uefa website, the uefa cup is open to cup winners and teams that finished immediately behind champions league qualifiers. At some stage, I suppose we'll have to explain the difference between league and cup championships for our American friends :)--Robert Merkel

<giggle> I'm actually one of them, but married into a Charlton Athletic family -- even got cornered by the uncles at the wedding reception and quizzed on football (best striker? best keeper? who were the Busby babes?...). so the Uefa cup is the one that combines the old Cup inners' Cup and the Uefa cup. Good. Now the really fun thing would be not only explaining league and cup championships, but how the Worthington cup used to be the Coca-cola cup... ;-) JHK

Should the European Champions Club Cup winners be added to this article or should there be another article on this?

This article should cover both the old and new competitions, as the Champions League is basically just a new format for the good old-fashioned European Cup. I'd also suggest moving this article to UEFA Champions League, as that's its full title and is less ambiguous. sjorford 10:56, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Please change this to UEFA Champions League as there is a similar Champions League called AFC Champions League in Asia. Mandel 17:48, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

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There were also some sad moments. There was the 1958 Munich air disaster in which some Manchester United players died, breaking a marvellous team.

The Munich air disaster is sad, but it is not part of the Champions League history. Mandel 04:03, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

Order of table

Wouldn't it make more sense to have the table in chronological order, with the earliest at the top? It's not far to scroll down to see the latest winners. sjorford 11:11, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

• perhaps the table should be split by 10-year spans or by decade with an index list - WolfenSilva

Actually I find scrolling down the table quite irratating, the old format of the newest at the top was much easier and more convenient KP-TheSpectre (talk) 08:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I second that. Why try and fix something that isn't broken? Do you really think the most visited year for the champions league will be sometime in the 50's instead of in the last 5 years? Hubschrauber729 (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Intercontinental Cup

Hi. I noticed that there's no mention in the article about the fact that the champion of this tournament qualifies for the Intercontinental Cup match against the champion of South America's Copa Libertadores de América. At the very least, the article on the Intercontinental Cup should be linked in the "See Also" section. It seems to be a grave omission (not so much the link in the "See Also" section, but the mention in the article should be there). Regards, Redux 22:50, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The reason why the Intercontinental Cup isn't mentioned is that the competition no longer exists. The last Intercontinental Cup was the one held this past summer (2004) between Porto and Once Caldas. FIFA is replacing it with the FIFA Club World Championship. Dale Arnett 03:36, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nevertheless, I think it deserves a short mention. Like: "The winner of the Champions League qualified for the Intercontinental Cup (against the winner of the Libertadores Cup), played yearly between 1960 and 2004." I'll leave it here and, if nobody objects, will put it in the article next week. Nazroon 13:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

No brief introduction for 1985-2005

We saw brief intro for 1955-1984, but latest 20 years were missing. To be added ? Regards

Titleholders' qualification

If someone has time, could we please clear up just whether the titleholder automatically gets a spot in the CL in light of this article? I'll do it myself later if I get time. Thanks, Rupert.

I've just added a treatment of this issue in the "Qualification" section. Hope this helps clear things up. Dale Arnett 03:32, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

But is this accurate? Guinnog 00:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

the article on champions league history suggests that the holders would take the place of the lowest qualifier in their domestic league. Whether that means that they "automatically do", or "are eligible to", I'm not sure. The UEFA website doesn't really help... Andymarczak 09:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

That's what the whole Liverpool affair was about last summer. The new rules say the title-holders always have a place. Conscious 16:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion for minor reorganization of history

I'm thinking about combining the 1992-1996 and 1997-98 sections into a single section and calling it "1992 to 1998 - The Italian Invitational". On second thought, make that "1989 to 1988..."

Of the 10 finals from 1989-1998, only one did not feature an Italian team. The rundown:

• 1989-90: Milan (won both times)
• 1991: Only matchup not to involve an Italian team
• 1992: Sampdoria (lost)
• 1993-95: Milan (won 1994)
• 1996-98: Juve (won 1996)

Any comments/criticisms? I won't make the change unless I get a fairly clear consensus in favor. Dale Arnett 21:20, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Team Flags

Can the flags next to each team to represent the team flag rather than the country flag? 68.17.133.137 21:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Done ωhkoh [Т] 01:13, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

The Spanish flags of the early eighties are not the official ones but old fraco one's. Could anyone change that abomination? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.9.189.232 (talk) 11:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Heysel and Juventus

At the year 1985 where the Heysel tragedy is mentioned it is quoted that "Juventus was banned for one year and it couldn't defend the title". As far as I remember Juventus was punnished similarly as Roma this season (i.e. 3 home matches without any audience) and it actually was defending the title next season as the second Italian team (beside Verona). According to this site (in German) it lost in quarterfinals against Barcelona (who later lost in the finals)

Yep, I believe you are quite right there, as the Uefa site confirms. I dunno if it's been changed yet. In fact, they beat Jeunesse d'Esch of Luxembourg and fellow Italians Verona in the previous rounds. Starfighter Pilot 19:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Rapid aging?

The article mentions the "rapid aging" of the Ajax and Bayern sides. Was this the result of a scientific experiment gone wrong, or could the idea be better expressed? I'm not at all sure what that idea is, though. Mark¹ 08:09, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

History of the Champions League

Wouldn't it be better to move all the history section to a new article called "History of the Champions League" ?

Time to do a year by year history of Champions League

There are enough data to do so, particularly the fact that the group stages contain a good number of games which ought to documented. As can be seen from the latest Liverpool victory, having a separate page called UEFA Champions League Season 2004/5 may solve a good lot of problems instead of the lopsided history now presented on this page. Mandel 21:38, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

For the 2004/05 season we have all the Champions' League results from the 1st Qualifying Round recorded in the "month in sport" pages; for earlier years you'll have to get the details from outside sources. -- Arwel 21:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How helpful is it to have the details in a "month in sport" page? Not very I think. Most people I presume will search for details under this section and article. Mandel 22:19, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

True, but the "month in sport" pages are the archives of Current sports events, where the results were recorded as they happened (together with much other sports news, of course). -- Arwel 22:43, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Steaua - Home grown team ?

The article states " Celtic are the only club to have won the competition with a team comprised entirely of home-grown talent. " Is this true? What about Steaua Bucarest? 14/08/05

Steaua had a Yugoslavian player.

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Why is the Manchester United treble described at unprecedented? What is so unprecedented about something done by Celtic, Ajax and PSV?

Answer: Because the Scottish & Dutch leagues are inferior to the English league.

Only someone from a 'big' country can be that chauvinistic. It is not even important if this is true or not for several reasons. Other clubs have also won the treble so it's not unprecedented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.190.253.148 (talk) 11:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that smacks of chauvinism, but it's nonetheless 'unprecedented' in England if the Treble is to be strictly defined as domestic top league + domestic cup + European Champions' Cup/UCL. Man Utd's treble is just the first one to be so publicly lauded in this age, I guess, the rest might have been too long ago.Icedwater (talk) 16:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, however I just can't recall the results from a couple of years ago when Celtic kicked the arses of both Liverpool and Blackburn.--TheMadTim 04:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

PSV though kicked Arsenal's ash last year (2006-2007) 193.190.253.148 22:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC).

The song

What's the name of the melody of Champions League? I used to know its name; and it is a famous one. Anyone? --Anittas 06:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

It's mentioned under the (way too long IMO) Trivia section in this article, but we have an article on the anthem. See UEFA Champions League Anthem Shanes 06:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Way cool! Thanks a lot! --Anittas 06:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Liverpool controversy

Liverpool fans will hate me for this (good) but I've moved this section here. There's no way this was notable enough to have this much space in this article, although maybe a sentence or two in the Qualification section would be alright. I'm sure it belongs somewhere on Wikipedia though - maybe History of Liverpool F.C. or 2005-06 in English football. File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk)

Does this story deserve an article of its own? Like 2005 UEFA decision on Liverpool F.C.? Conscious 09:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so, but I wouldn't be bothered if it got one. If either Liverpool or Everton had had to drop out of the competition it would have been notable, as it is it's just an administrative cock-up that UEFA managed to fix in time. File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 09:43, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it should have its own article, or, if all the qualification controversies are expanded, included in an article covering them all (or a section here, for instance). The Real Zaragoza incident should be covered in more detail, because I think it's noteworthy. -RomeW

Liverpool Controversy

Until 2005 if the Champions League winner was from a country that was entitled to send four clubs to the competition, it was not assured of entry unless it was in the top four. This issue came to a head after English club Liverpool won the 2004-05 competition. Liverpool finished fifth in the FA Premier League, one spot outside automatic qualifying position.

After Liverpool won the Champions League, The FA was forced to choose whether to send Liverpool to the 2005-06 competition at the expense of the team that finished fourth - namely Everton, the other major club in Liverpool. As the FA had already decided that the top four Premiership clubs would qualify for the competition despite Liverpool's victory, they decided to continue lobbying for a fifth Champions League place following this win. After this FA decision, UEFA president Lennart Johansson went on record as saying that the Champions League winner should be able to defend its title regardless of its league position. Prior to 2005, if a fourth placed team was denied a Champions League place for this reason, it was granted a place in the UEFA Cup.

The last time such a scenario played out was in 2000, when Real Madrid won the title but finished fifth in the Spanish League. As a result, Real Zaragoza was forced into the UEFA Cup. Two years later, Zaragoza was relegated, an unfortunate turn of events that some fans believed to be a direct result of the lost prestige and revenue.

In June 2005, the UEFA committee met to discuss the fate of Liverpool. Liverpool was awarded a place in the first qualifying round without displacing their arch-rivals Everton - England thus entered 5 teams from the qualifying stages of the competition. Liverpool kept one of the top eight seeds but were not treated as an English side for the purposes of the draw, meaning they could play another English side prior to the quarter-finals. Due to the way in which the seeding works, this means Liverpool could have played city rivals Everton in the third qualifying round.

After qualifying, the Reds were ultimately drawn to play Premiership champions Chelsea in the group phase. Everton failed to qualify because of their loss to Villareal and participated briefly in the UEFA Cup before being knocked out 5-1 on aggregate by Dinamo Bucharest in the very first round.

UEFA also said that the rules have been amended and should the situation arise again, the title holders will replace the 4th placed team in the domestic league (with that team being entered into the UEFA Cup, as happened to Zaragoza in 2000). This ensures that in future, the number of teams from every country will remain stable.

European Cup and Champions League finals/statistics

I think these sections should be removed and their articles linked to in a See also section. What does everyone else think? File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 09:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe should just have a summary of these articles. What about moving the "Trivia" section to European Cup and Champions League records and statistics? It forms most of the article now, and that's ridiculous. Conscious 13:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Good call Conscious. It's fair to say that the Trivia side of things is probably the most interesting to a football anorak, and I deleted about a third of it cos it was just too geeky! Andymarczak 13:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The other European Cups

Hello there. I'm in the process of writing an article for the European ice hockey championship, which was called the "European Cup" (see European Cup (ice hockey) and since 2005 the "European Champions Cup", which has a page at IIHF European Champions Cup. Both those terms redirect here.

Undoubtedly, the vast majority of people who type in "European Cup" want this page. But many sports also have European Cups - off the top of my head I know skiing and basketball also do, maybe there should be a link at the top to a disambig page?

As for "European Champions Cup", the only place I've seen the UEFA Champions League called that is in Championship Manager which has to get creative since they can't use the trademark. I would make that redirect to IIHF European Champions Cup, with a similar link to here for those more interested in footy.

Thoughts? --Legalizeit 15:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Liverpool keeping the trophy

Afaik, Liverpool got to keep the trophy "permanently" after winning the Champions League 5 times. This season's winner will get a new trophy. But the third paragraph says Gerrard handed over the trophy after the loss to Benfica this season. Can someone clarify on this?

Audience figures

An anon. keeps insisting that the league attracts a global audience of over a billion people. This seems clearly false; Googling throws up some authoritative sites (including UEFA itself) which place the figures for the final at 280 million[1] or 200 milllion[2], and other sites say four U.S. billion (four thousand million)[3] for the league as a whole.

Even if the figure is over a thousand million, given the ambiguity of "billion", we should surely stick to the phrase "thousand million" for clarity. Does anyone know what the actual figures are for each, given the discrepancies? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Bernabeu -shocking omission

Liked the article, but found one shocking omission: not one mention of how Santiago Bernabeu helped create the Champions' League (then European Cup) and helped it kick off. He even, in a gesture quoted as 'exceedingly gentlemanly', proposed who should preside the incipient European Football association (and ruled himself out). Now, I'm talking from memory here, but surely someone can find a reference about this? It is widely understood in Spain that Bernabeu had a lot of influence on the begginings of the European cup, and without a mention of him the article would indeed be somewhat lacking. Just an opinion. Raystorm 19:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge from Champions League Anthem

UEFA Champions League Anthem is a duplicate of the relevant section in this article. If it differs, then I suggest we merge the two into this article. If not, then simply delete the anthem article. (Feel free to PROD it!) haz (user talk) 20:43, 16 May 2006

I sugest keeping the anthem article and make the section on it here much shorter. For instance, we don't need the full lyrics here. There are more that could be said about the anthem that should go in the anthem article, and also I'd like to have the anthem listed in Category:Anthems and it seems wrong to have this main UEFA Champions league article in that category. Shanes 21:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Shanes, it's better to move info out of the main article. Conscious 17:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Why No Table?

It would be nice if there were a table showing winners and semifinalists for each year, along with country of origin. I think the page for the Copa Libertadores would be a good model. Anyone want to take this on? --BlueMoonlet 15:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I see that it's here. Editing the main page in an effort to make this more clear. --BlueMoonlet 15:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

These three articles really contain much the same information, but in different formats. This was the root cause of my confusion. It would be good if someone could slim them down, and perhaps unify them. --BlueMoonlet 15:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League records and statistics is WRONG

If my memory is right, Olympique Marseille have one a trophy in 1993. Their league title was taken from them because of a scandal, but they still have the CL. Is all the rest correct? I don't trust it anymore :P Rosti Talis 19:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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Link Request

I think it would be fine to set up a link to www.fussball.com, a european site with information about the uefa champions league and all other european leagues. at this time, I can`t see links on the article with *news* about the champions league and their teams. in my opinion this is essential for the article.

Divers (refering to the Barca v Chelsea match 06)

The worst diver on the pitch was Drogba, that cannot be disputed. However, for Drogba to keep up with the likes of Deco, truly the diving master, must be a real plus point for him. As a suporter of lower opposition, Birmimgham, we belate when our strikers receive an almighty kick and don't go down, so where can FIFA and the FA draw the line. If this issue contiues to develop at the rate it is, players will be receiving marks out of ten for their diving skills, and the pitch will have to be lengthened so players can roll and roll and roll... Millm0w 09:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Steaua Bucharest data

Steaua Bucharest won the European Cup in 1986 against Barcelona in the final. So why is it given that the runner up during that year was Steaua Bucharest itself???? I haven't edited it since this is a very major article and I want to make sure from other people. Saurabh 05:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Steaua were runners-up in 1989. Conscious 07:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Ohh Sorry. My mistake. Didn't see the format currectly. It does not specify any year. Topic closed :) Saurabh 03:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

(player who played most champions league games

WHO HAS PLAYED MOST CHAMPIONS LEAGUE GAMES AS A PLAYER AND WHAT TEAM HAS PLAYED MOST GAMES? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.199.34.61 (talk) 17:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

The all-time leader in matches played in the European Cup/Champions League is, as of this writing, Paolo Maldini, with 116 appearances. The all-time top goalscorer is Raúl González, although Andriy Shevchenko and Ruud Van Nistelrooy are very close behind. All three of them have surpassed Alfredo Di Stefano's mark of 49 goals, which stood for about four decades. The team that has played the most games is Real Madrid. You can find more information here: European Cup and Champions League records and statistics. --ChaChaFut 02:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Man Utd, Porto and Barcelona won only one CL

This post is just to alert future editors for some repeting misled changes that are undoing a fact: Manchester United, FC Porto and FC Barcelona have only won one edition of the Champions League each, since it was established in 1992 (before this it was known as European Champions Clubs Cup or European Cup). In total, the three clubs have been twice European champions: Manchester United in 1968 and 1999, Porto in 1987 and 2004, Barcelona in 1992 and 2006. However, they only won once the Champions League (est. 1992): Manchester United in 1999, Porto in 2004, Barcelona in 2006.

Club	ECCC (1956-1992)	CL (1992-present)
Manchester United	1968	1999
FC Barcelona	1992	2006
FC Porto	1987	2004

I hope this clears out this issue. Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 23:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

It's called European Champion Clubs' Cup!

The name of the trophy is called European Champion Clubs' Cup, not European Clubs' Champions Cup! I correctly renamed it on the UEFA Champions league page, and swapped the content and the redirect on the pages named European Champion Clubs' Cup and European Clubs' Champions Cup. Really, the latter shouldn't even exist, because it's not called that at all. It should be deleted! I can't believe there's fools like to tink shit like that!

Naming controversy

There is clearly some disagreement as to what the tournament's name actually was prior to the creation of the Champions' League. As the poster above correctly points out, the only official name the tournament ever had was European Champion Clubs' Cup. This was always the name engraved on the front of the trophy (in French) and still is. This name is also used by UEFA today on their website when refering to pre-1993 tournaments. 'European Clubs' Champions Cup' as far as I am aware was never used as a name under any circumstances, possibly this name arises from poor translations of the official name in some countries. The full official name of the tournament was however rarely used and UEFA would normally shorten the name to European Champions Cup in press releases and so on, and that name was also used widely by the media. You will often see this name used on football stats websites and so on. However the tournament was also called simply The European Cup by the media, and this was probably the most common name used by fans, journalists, players, managers and so on. Most people probably knew the competition by this name. However European Cup was never in any way an official name of the tournament as far as I am aware. In fact, it was actually the official name originally proposed for the tournament by L'Equipe, and UEFA vetoed the name, as they thought that they might later use the name 'European Cup' for a tournament involved national sides. I feel that the intro should be amended to make clear that the real name of the competition was Champion Clubs' Cup, that is the only official title, but that both Champions Cup and European Cup were used as alternate names, with European Cup being the best known. If there are no objections, I'll make the change in a couple of days. However if anyone objects or believes they have evidence that I'm in error, then feel free to disagree. MarkB79 19:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League Anthem (Hymn)

This is Official Anthem of UEFA Champions League: [4], other version Anthem of UEFA Champions League: [5]. LUCPOL 22:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Monaco Flag

Shouldnt the Monaco team have a French Flag? They play in the French League after all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.42.32.106 (talk) 05:31, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

No because monaco is a seperate state to france, they only play in the french league because monaco has one team. 81.134.191.4 13:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Monaco has many more than just one football club, they have a league competition with many teams [6], AS Monaco FC compete in the French league because they choose to play in the French league. (which may be because the Monaco FA isn't affilated to FIFA or UEFA) —This is part of a comment by MTC , which got interrupted by the following:

I find this offensive. AS Monaco were founded and still play inside Monaco... it's a seperate nation, it's not France. "Well they play in the French league." Yeah and Cardiff City F.C., Swansea City F.C., Wrexham A.F.C., are all proudly Welsh clubs of course, yet they compete in the English leagues. Does anyone even attempt to put an English flag next to those clubs? No. Not even the English. Because it doesn't make sense. So why should Monaco be any different? I'm changing it back and putting a footnote saying they play in the French leagues. - Tocino 19:21, 30 May 2007

Apart from UEFA competitions where the Welsh clubs qualified via the Welsh Cup (and so the Welsh flag is correctly placed), where is there a Welsh flag for one of those? If there is an article like that, it needs fixing. - MTC 19:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately none of the Welsh clubs who've competed in the English leagues have qualified for Europe. But if they did I guarentee you they would be playing under the Welsh flag as the clubs and the supporters would be offended if an English flag was in their place. England and Wales aren't even technically real nations anyways - so should they all have British flags next the the clubs? Also this isn't an exclusive situtation. FC Vaduz are considered a Liechtensteiner club despite playing in the Swiss leagues. - Tocino 19:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

FC Vaduz have only ever qualified for UEFA competitions through the Liechtenstein football Cup, which is why they are considered a Liechtensteiner club.

I would consider AS Monaco to be in a similar situation to Derry City F.C., who are always given a Republic of Ireland flag because they qualify for Europe through the League of Ireland as opposed to Northern Ireland where they are located, giving AS Monaco a Monaco flag is the same as giving Derry a Northern Ireland flag, or are you now going change all those? If Cardiff City quailfied for Europe through an English competition then I for one would add an English flag by their name, though no doubt it would be changed by someone like you…—This is part of a comment by MTC , which got interrupted by the following:

Someone like me? Stop with the backhanded insults. There's a problem with the Derry City comparison. Derry City consider themselves a club of the Republic of Ireland as they have predominately Catholic support. I'm changing it by what the clubs want. Monaco are a self described Monegasque football club. FC Vadaz are a self described Liechtensteiner club. Cardiff City are a self described Welsh club. Why are these clubs different? Because they play in different countries. The league they play in doesn't make the club or change its identity. And the only language I speak is English or else I would change it to what it correctly belongs in all the languages. - Tocino 22:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Why do you insist on spiltting up my comments… Right, I can't be bothered to argue with you any more, I still think it's wrong but I don't want to get into an edit war. Just be sure to change all the season articles, if you're going to insist on giving them a Monaco flag here you should be consistant in all the others, will take you a while though. - MTC 05:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

One last thing; shouldn't you be arguing to do this on the French article too? - MTC 20:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I think AS Monaco FC should have a French flag in this article as they have always qualified for the UEFA Champions League through the French league. - MTC 13:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

MTC is correct, they hold the flag of the league they qualify through, as they represent that countries league. Chaza93 20:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Why not put both? --AW 20:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I also agree with MTC. AS Monaco plays in the French competition, they qualified through the French competition so the flag should be French. 193.190.253.148 22:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Note that as per the UEFA website itself , ASM is always accompanied buy the French flag. http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/club=50023/domestic.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.76.110 (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

TV Broadcasters

I was thinking, perhaps it would be a great addition to have a wiki detailing the broadcasters of the competition in every country worldwide, in much the same way that there is a similiar page for F1 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_broadcasters Htb50 23:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

History section

The discussion of the name and format changes is incorrect, or at least worded very poorly. The name change to "Champions League" occurred in 1992-93, but the expansion to include runners-up was not until the 1997-98 season. And while I'm at it, UEFA is misspelled as "EUFA" in the second paragraph of the article.

Spanish Flag

Why the flag shown for the Spanish teams pre-1975 is that one? If you want to reflect the Franco's regime flag, the shield should be centered, not to the left like in the current one. And well, I would directly remove that flag anyway... but true, that was the official one at the time. (Vbroto 04:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC))

Monaco 2008

The article contradicts itself by stating Monaco will host next year's final, yet in the list of finals, it says it will be in Moscow. Anyone know which is correct?  Sʟυмgυм • т • c  12:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Its Moscow, Luzhniki Stadium to be precise. Stade Louis II is far too small to host a major final. Oldelpaso 12:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Champion's league = C1 ?

In french, journalists sometimes refer at Champion's league as C1 in opposition with C2 (defunct) and C3 (Uefa cup). For example: [7].

I couldn't find any reference at C1, C2, C3 with theses meanings in english does it exist or not ? --Mrpouetpouet 21:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

German flag

What happened to the German flag? It isn't working on the UEFA Cup article either. Why is it the only flag that doesn't show up now? - Tocino 19:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

European Cup article

theEuropean Cup should be disambiguation page for all European team sports, not just football redirection for UEFA champions league. --ArnoldPettybone 19:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

No it shouldn't. 99% of people when they see or hear "European Cup" they think of the football competition. Should Pele go to a disambiguation page too? There's plenty of other people named Pele. - Tocino 19:39, 4 June (UTC)

It would be a little unfair to claim that the UEFA Champions League is the only European Cup worth listing in these pages. A search for 'European Cup' on Google shows that of the top 20 results, only 8 refer to the present UCL, the rest refer to competitions in athletics (2), rugby (2), go (2), floorball, handball, motorcycle racing, car racing and race walking, and the last is a movie about football (Soccer Dog: European Cup). Surely this is testament to the abundance of other competitions called the 'European Cup', if nothing else. Further, the Champions League only inherits the storied history of the old European Cup but is quite a different beast. I suppose if football's European Cup were to be given its own page, it should bear only historical content, and a link to the UCL page.Icedwater (talk) 16:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

No disambiguation page necessary. 8 of the 20 results are on the UCL, a number none of the other results manage to achieve. Hence, no disambiguation page. Madcynic (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

AS Monaco FC having a Monegasque flag with the French?

Hello. I was curious as to what you all thought in regards to AS Monaco FC having a French flag attached and not a Monegasque flag. I understand that the team plays within Ligue 1 which is French. But could it be fair to also put Monaco's flag next to the French one since the team is from Monaco playing in the French league? Just a thought. I understand having two flags would cause confusion even if the team isn't French.

Thanks. Mike Moresi 08:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

There was a long discussion about it at #Monaco Flag, a little way up the page.

I still don't understand why people want to put a Monaco flag there when the flags should obviously be the flag of the league they play in, not the area they are located in. - MTC 08:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

UCL - ECL

Why is it in club articles the UEFA Champions League is referred to with the initials ECL? What does the 'E' in ECL stand for, European? Shouldn't it be 'U' for UEFA, hence UCL?

Irrelevant info?

Does anyone else think that the information in the box on the upper right of this page, that says where the 2008 final will be held and the television broadcasters, is irrelevant? Imo the info does not belong there —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.204.152.83 (talk • contribs).

Be bold! Conscious 06:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Premiums

The amount of money a club gets is being determined by several factors. One of these factors is the result, another even bigger factor seems to be the size of the country which the club 'represents'. Last year when Arsenal played against PSV Eindhoven, PSV won both matches. Despite of that Arsenal still got 3 times as much money for those 2 matches as PSV Eindhoven. Can someone put some more info in this article about the formula which describes how much money a club gets for each Champions league match? I would also find it interesting to know the reasons why a club from a bigger country automatically gets more money. After all, it takes two to tango. Without the opponent from the smaller country there wouldn't be a match at all. Both clubs need to put in as much effort and costs, so why not a 50/50 split of the premium when a match ends in a tie?

193.190.253.148 11:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

New succession box on final pages

I suggest there be a succession box on the final pages which regards the host cities.

For example the page for Moscow 2008 would have Athens preceding and Rome succeeding.

I've attempted to create this and have put it on the 2009 page, but I may not have done it perfectly.

Jandrews23jandrews23 16:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I've put it on the 2008 page as well.

Jandrews23jandrews23 17:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Current tables

So there shouldn't be current tables of league standings? I though that would be a nice addition to the page... (Whocantucan (talk) 18:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC))

The current tables are on the current season page: UEFA Champions League 2007-08. There is no reason to put them on this page as well. I said this in my edit summary when I reverted your addition. - MTC (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Thanks :/ (Whocantucan (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC))

Image Overlap

In the "Record and Statistics" section an image of Europe overlaps the table that shows club wins. I dont know how to fix it. 74.225.72.240 (talk) 20:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Title holder?

I believe that milan are still the title holders until the trophy is presented to an english team, so removing the name AC Milan and the flag of italy from the title holder spot, is not valid until either Man U or Chelsea actually wins the trophy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.76.110 (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes from 2009 forward

This section is total gibberish, and cuts off mid-word.... ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Has been for a while - I've tried to compare all the versions on the first page of the history tab - that section hasn't been changed in at least 50 edits. Digifiend (talk) 08:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

MAN UTD .VS. CHELSEA

Well everyone knew that this was going to be a champions league final to remember, and it was! It delivered with some memorable pieces of skill from 2 sides that in todays football calendar, would be teams that you want to see play. The likes of christiano ronaldo shone on the night with his epic array of skills, and also opening the scoring with a beautifully timed header on the ball. Even though in the penalty shootout he managed to miss his penalty, his performance during the game, meant that the penalty didnt really matter, although this might not have been the case if they lost in the penalty shootout. On a whole it was a champions league final that will definetly be recorded in the record books and will be remembered for a while yet.

The winning line up :

MAN UTD :

• edwin van der sar
• wes brown
• nemanja vidic
• rio ferdinand
• patrice evra
• christiano ronaldo
• micheal carrick
• paul scholes
• owen hargreaves
• tevez
• wayne rooney

Other Champions Leagues

Shouldn't there be more about the sucsess and popularity of the tournament round the world since the rebranding in the early 1990s, and how many different competitions around the world have copied the Champions League name in homage. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 19:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Error in Image:UEFA_members_at_group_stage_in_the_Champions_League.svg

The map showing countries that have teams which have reached the group stages of the Champions League is wrong. According to the map, a Scottish team has never reached the group stages, which is clearly not true; Rangers and/or Celtic are there almost every year.

I suggest that the map be removed until someone provides an accurate version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.162.165 (talk) 16:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Opening section The Double and The Treble

I don't think this paragraph is at all necessary for the article certainly not in the opening section and is hardly a NPOV concerning the relative strengths of the domestic Leagues. (Statto999 (talk) 22:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC))

Text as follows "The Double" and "The Treble" are terms used for the achivement of winning more than one title in one season.

Many teams have achieved winning both the Champions League and their domestic title, Manchester United being the latest in 2008. This is called the European Double. Winning both the national league, the domestic (main) cup and the Champions League, is called The European Treble, and is perhaps the greatest a club can achieve in a single season. Only five teams have ever achieved the great glory of winning The European Treble, Celtic (1967), Ajax (1972), PSV Eindhoven (1988) and Manchester United (1999). Manchester United’s treble win, is by many considered the biggest, because of the English Premier League being a greater competition than the Dutch or the Scottish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Statto999 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree the way that section is worded is completely unacceptable, and was clearly added by a United fan. However, a link to The Treble is certainly no less notable than, say, a link to Liverpool F.C. Champions League qualification 2005-06. I haven't done anything to the article for two reasons:

1. I could be accused of having a conflict of interest.

2. The fact that nobody challenged its complete removal indicates that there was broad agreement.

Comments on what to do here welcome. BeL1EveR (talk) 20:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

link for season 1959 / finals 1959 wrong

European Cup and Champions League finals:

1958–59 Final Real Madrid C.F. Flag of Spain 7–3 Flag of West Germany Eintracht Frankfurt Hampden Park, Glasgow Flag of Scotland

is linked to the finals AND season the year before!!!

grz
pa_an
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Android1208 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Motto Champions' League Hymn

This just ain't the case - I doubt they say the words "Champions' League Hymn" at official occasions! The infobox ought to say hymn/song? 91.110.96.117 (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Di Stefano

Wow Alfredo Di Stefano scored in the Champions League? How old was he? Fifty Something? What i'm getting is that there is a difference between European Cup and Champions League. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.252.34 (talk) 05:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested redirect of European Cup to this article

Discussion at Talk:European Cup#Requested move. (permanent link) MickMacNee (talk) 17:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

map

the map incorectly states that much of asia including south and north korea are uefa members it should be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordon1297 (talk • contribs)

No, it doesn't. That's Russia. Conscious (talk) 18:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

European Cup & UEFA Champions League

There has been a lot of rumblings in this page so I will come out and say what many didn't want to. The European Cup and the Champions League should be two different articles as the two were two very different tournaments. One replaced the other.

Erm, no, that's not true at all. The UEFA Champions League is the continuation of the European Cup under a different name, nothing more. The format may be different, but UEFA says that the competitions are the same. Stop being so POINTy. – PeeJay 19:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The Fairs Cup and the UEFA Cup have different articles and so should this. The Champions League is SO different to the European Cup to warrant this anyway. Without separation it appears from the article that Real Madrid have won it 9 times when they have only won it 3 times (as the article does not differentiate between Cup and League titles). It is not important that UEFA says they are the same competition; that can easily be mentioned in the article after everything has been moved and this dog's mess of an article has been tidied up. (Apologies for not being as patronizing and condescending as the previous postee)

The Champions League and the European Cup are the same competition. It's not just UEFA that treats them as such. Next you'll be telling us that the UEFA Europa League should have a separate article from the UEFA Cup! – PeeJay 09:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Summarising stats

I see that things from the records and stats article is popping back up in the main. How about we move them all out again and make a prose summary of the most important records and stats? I think it's worth at least a try. This way, vandalism will be easier to spot and citations should be easier too. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 07:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Broken link

Reference nº 4 (http://initiative.com/static/prDec2006.html) isn't working :'( --Josepsbd (talk) 00:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

http://web.archive.org/web/20070928085141/http://initiative.com/static/prDec2006.html chandler ··· 06:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Link needed to the anthem

The old link got deleted it seems

UEFA Champions League Anthem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.38.112 (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Picture of girls with trophy

I see no need for this picture. The trophy in the photo is out of focus and is only a small part of the photo - the girls appear to have have made themselves more the subject of the photo but that is not what this wiki page is about, posting on FLickr etc is more suitable.

The picture of the trophy at the top of the page is of MUCH better quality therefore the page itself has lost nothing of value by the change.

the above is an anonymous edit

You may be right, but having regard to the trouble we went to in order to access the FC Barca trophy room, then ... Izzy (talk) 16:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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Izzy, with respect, the page is not about the security of the Barcelona trophy room. As you state, the trophy is merely a replica, copies of which are also on display at Old Trafford, Anfield, Parkhead, the Bernabéu etc etc (see links 1-3 below). I feel the inclusion of the picture is more about satisfying your ego rather than the quality/relevance of the page - I say that without meaning any personal offence whatsoever. Posting on flickr with the appropriate tags will get you a LOT of views I'm sure.

Link 1 - http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dceltic%2Bpark%2Btrophy%2Broom%26ei%3DUTF-8%26rd%3Dr1%26fr%3Dyfp-t-702-s%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=332&h=500&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F184%2F438882040_ada64e355d.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fsarahquinn%2F438882040%2F&size=139k&name=Celtic+Trophy+Ro...&p=celtic+park+trophy+room&oid=e598793edd510f58&fr2=tab-web&fusr=Sarah+Quinn+...&no=1&tt=6&sigr=11i6ni8cd&sigi=11ej1st1v&sigb=13j9096vf

Link 2- http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dreal%2Bmadrid%2Btrophy%2Broom%26ei%3Dutf-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-702-s&w=333&h=500&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F3467%2F3377159345_aaa98bb133.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Ftelegdys%2F3377159345%2F&size=105k&name=Copa+de+Europa+2...&p=real+madrid+trophy+room&oid=01ff88b48e6751e0&fr2=&fusr=Fred_711&no=16&tt=50&sigr=11hj2vf3a&sigi=11gbkpc9h&sigb=1312k78js

Link 3 - http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Deuropean%2Bcup%2Btrophy%26ei%3Dutf-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-702-s&w=375&h=500&imgurl=static.flickr.com%2F42%2F76664684_375dfd4aea.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fandynugent%2F76664684%2F&size=181k&name=1977+European+Cu...&p=european+cup+trophy&oid=cfbeb7b92decd328&fr2=&fusr=AndyNugent&lic=1&no=10&tt=1497&sigr=11h02l7bh&sigi=11cle2q8f&sigb=12tqmulmo

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I take your point. By the way, I inserted the image in good faith assuming that the trophy we were holding was the actual Champions Cup. That is what we were told at the time. I have only now been informed that we were holding a replica. Izzy (talk) 09:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou. I'm sure your knowledge of art and history means you can make valuable contributions elsewhere.

Spain and UEFA Chanpions League sponsors

Should Spain be added to list of countries with sponsorship restrictions? At the Santiago Bernabéu today I saw all of the Heineken adboards were replaced with "Star Experience" and Sevilla for some reason are forced to strip their sponsors 188bet.com from their shirts and replace them with UEFA Respect logos during UEFA Chanpions League matches.

69.255.16.132 (talk) 22:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Single team federation victory

The article is not clear on what happens in qualification if a team from a league with only one place in the Champions League wins the title but not its league. Would they just displace the league winners? Lenzar (talk) 19:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Theft of the European Cup in 1982

Times: "The mystery of what happened to the European Cup after it was stolen from celebrating Aston Villa players in a pub has been solved after 28 years"

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/10181055.stm

--Mais oui! (talk) 12:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winners

I have proposed, with strong reason, to merge the list into this article. Although I used the "merging" template, it is more than obvious that the merge has already been complete and we currently have two articles that carries the same, exact information. Jamen Somasu (talk) 02:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Given my previous interactions with this editor, I was unsure whether there would be a lot in this. But he's right. The tables here are an exact duplication of the list, and the prose there is merely a condensed version of the prose here. WFC (talk) 12:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The template {{UEFA Champions League winners by club}} was added to this article only a couple of months ago by an occasional editor. I'm not sure exactly what it was supposed to transclude, but at the moment, since it was redirected to a section of the winners' list, it seems to bring in the whole of that list. Which is why the contents are exactly the same. I've left a note with Rambo's Revenge, who changed that template to a redirect, but I don't suppose he's had a chance to look at it yet. Perhaps it would be best to wait until the peculiar transclusion is fixed and see what's in this article then. And if it's still the same content as the list, take this article back to its pre-May 2010 state by removing the template or its contents. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree with Struway2, a little bit of research goes a long way. I suggest the transclusion is removed and we leave the list as it stands, with any obvious issues with current FL criteria fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as there was no objections, I took the transclusion out of the parent article, making the list viable to keep. Jamen Somasu (talk) 14:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

My sincere apologies. I was too hasty and did not check thoroughly enough. I've rectified other occurances of my mistake. Now everything is as was, except the information is directly in the article not transcluding from templates. It is now how it was before any changes were made. However, I'm not sure the "May 2010 edit" (discussed above) was beneficial (a possible CFORK?) and perhaps that information (which is now directly in this article following substitution) should be removed altogether. Best, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Do add "See also" chapter

Please, do add "See also" chapter including:

• UEFA Europa League
• UEFA European Football Championship

--71.190.92.170 (talk) 14:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Yoiyitsu, 4 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Can somebody update the "Map of UEFA Champions League Winners By Country" link to http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=2939 ? The actual link won't be updated anymore. As you can see, the owner of the actual map is me (Created By: yoiyitsu).

Thank you so much Yoiyitsu (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Done   — Jeff G.  ツ 01:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

First European Cup/Champions League final with a foreign starting eleven

(cross posted from the 2011 final article talk page, to which it refers)

This info was completely removed for being 'unsourced' [8]. The fact there were no Italians in Inter's starting lineup was obviously simply true, and I'm pretty sure this being a 'first' in the history of the competition is also pretty indisputable. A citation needed tag would have sufficed for both of these facts. This was found in a few minutes to support the obvious fact, and while I can't find a more reliable source than this in the few minutes I have available now, I'd be amazed if one doesn't exist. If someone with more time finds a better source, it really should be restored. MickMacNee (talk) 20:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybole FC is not the most successful champions league club

In the list of teams who have won the champions league, Maybole FC is at the top with 9 wins, this should be Real Madrid, of course.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.208.102.198 (talk) 09:24, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Match days

The fact that it is palyed on mid week but now on staurday is more important then the rubbish about sponsors. So it should be in there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.55.196.242 (talk) 13:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League winners 2011

According to this page the trophy has already been awarded to Barcelona at the expense of Manchester United, 3 weeks before the final kicks off. Amusing but inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.188.171.66 (talk) 09:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

UEFA Champions Leagu revamp

See the Copa Libertadores page. I pretty much made it into a GA single-handedly. I am now planning on transforming the UEFA Champions League page the same way. I only have a feew thins I could need help on.

On the history section, I plan on separating the decades as such:

1956-1965: Beginnings 1966-1975: The birth of total football 1976-1985: English dominance 1986-1995: Renaissance 1996-2005: G14 dominance

Plus, some info or sites of the cultural impact of the tournament in Europe would help.

What does everyone think? 184.37.251.225 (talk) 15:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and do so, you can put it on your sandbox before applying it so we can see how it looks.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 17:57, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I would be wary of this suggestion. The user claims to have revamped the Copa Libertadores page singlehandedly, but their only edit has been to this page! Have they been working under a different name, perhaps as a registered user? – PeeJay 18:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

As I assume PeeJay was (correctly) hinting, it was another of the many examples of User:Jamen Somasu evading his block. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Not the most viewed sporting event

From the data the latest superbowl the total viewer ship was 111 million compared to 109 for uefa championship.

link 1: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/elite-clubs-on-uefa-gravy-train-as-super-bowl-knocked-off-perch-1884429.html

Link 2: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-superbowl-ratings

69.14.123.48 (talk) 19:11, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Considering your link no.2 is showing a 404 not found error, I would suggest you'd be better to look for an alternative proof, no offence intended.188.141.59.230 (talk) 19:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

UEFA champion doesn't qualify for the World Cup

It says in the article that the winner qualifies for the World Cup. That doesn't even make since. Every club in the league has players from different countries. Silly wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.63.237 (talk) 03:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

It says FIFA Club World Cup. nothing wrong with that.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 04:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

UEFA_Champions_League#Qualification

This section is very difficult to follow, as it implies that just ten teams (5+5) make it into the first round. Presumably what's missing is that 22 teams don't need to play qualifying matches? --Dweller (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Country flags and names

In this article there seems to be a HUGE double standard which pertains to the flags and country names next to particular teams. In the case of Red Star Belgrade and Partizan Belgrade a Yugoslavian flag is used. Why? It is a fair point to say that during the time of their champions league successes those teams were representing Yugoslavia but if the rule is that the flag pertains to the year in which they won shouldn't Bayern Munich/Frankfurt/Hamburg have a west Germany flag and under "by nation" shouldn't it say 3 wins for West Germany. Same thing for Steaua Bucharest which would have the flag of Socialist Republic of Romania. Obviously this is ridiculous. Therefore the flag of a team should be the one they currently represent. That's why I believe that for Red Star and Partizan should say Serbia not Yugoslavia. --Branis1av77 (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

While I agree with you, I believe the reason for this double standard is that the Serbian and Romanian clubs haven't been in the final after the "country split". But I guess that would be the same case for one or two of the West German teams. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:50, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Splitting up e.g. Bayern Munich into two teams under the records section makes no sense, it's only one club. For the country section, why not say totals include west germany too. -Koppapa (talk) 12:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

@Menotz86 Thank you for your support. I think it's interesting that all the people who constantly edit war and who are on the other side of this issue are too afraid to debate with me openly on this talk page.

@Koppapa I think that's a great idea for Bayern Munich and Dortmund, but what would you suggest we do for Hamburg, Franckfurt, and Monchengladbach (teams that haven't won any CLs since unification)? Also how would that work for Steaua Bucharest?

On a side note I just wanted to add credit to my argument. According to FIFA and UEFA Serbia is the direct descendant of all records and trophies won under Yugoslavia. In fact on the uefa champions league official website under "SERBIA" it says one champions league victory. Here is the link: http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=srb/honours/index.html --Branis1av77 (talk) 15:06, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I would like to reinforce Branislav`s point of view due to analysis of following criteria; Criteria of nations continuity - To the same extent to which Germany claims continuity with Western Germany, Serbia is entitled to claim continuity with Yugoslavia since footballing criteria depends on footballing governing bodies namely Football associations - German F.A. today is same as it was in past and Serbian F.A. is actually only renamed Yugoslav F.A. that is FIFA affiliated since 1921 (much before Serbia ever existed). If on the contrary we choose to ignore "footballing World Map" (governed by FIFA) and abide strictly by "political World Map" (governed by UN) - then there is no place even for England or Scotland and we must list only UK. To further extend nonsense of maintaing YUG instead of SRB consider the fact that both Red Star and Partizan are and have always been clubs based in Belgrade - Serbian capital, also Munich was always in what is now unified Germany. So please, let us all leave our bias aside and let`s agree on one of the following - maintain consistent list with UK, FRG and YUG or the one with ENG, SCO, GER and SRB. 94.203.115.237 (talk) 22:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC) — 94.203.115.237 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I need an answer for this

In the Copa Libertadores section, we are discussing how would we rate the "prestigue" of winning the old Intercontinental Cup/Club World Cup. Some clubs in South America care deeply for the tournament (Boca Juniors, Internacional, Flamengo, etc); others simply could give a squat about it (Estudiantes, Sao Paulo, River Plate, etc).

I would like to get opinions from Europeans as to how they view this competition. Jamen Somasu (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

In England, I don't think anyone really cares. The Club World Cup is just another couple of matches in an already crowded fixture schedule. And it takes two seasons to qualify for. It's treated as a bit of a novelty, tbh. – PeeJay 19:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

It doesnt take 2 seasons to qualify, its Champions League winner who get to Club World Cup. But noone really cares because European are much superior than other continent teams, might sound bit too egoistic but thats the case (DJSurvivor (talk) 08:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)).

It does take two seasons to qualify. You have to qualify for the Champions League in season 1, then win the Champions League in season 2. That's two seasons. – PeeJay 11:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but to qualify to Club World Cup it depends if you win Champions League during previous season...it doesnt matter how you finish at the domestic league...you might even qualify without getting Champions League spot at domestic league...this could be done if you win Champions League and hence qualify to Champions League 2nd season and then win it again, so hence domestic league doesnt count I say it takes 1 season to qualify...but that could be my perspective. (DJSurvivor (talk) 06:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC))

No, you're wrong. It always takes at least two seasons to qualify for the Club World Cup, because you have to qualify for the Champions League first in order to win it the following season. It doesn't matter how you qualify, whether that's through the domestic league or winning the CL, but it still takes two years at the very least to reach the Club World Cup. – PeeJay 11:19, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Small change in logo

All UEFA competitions have had (or will have) the 'UEFA' portion of their logos changed according to the new UEFA logo that was introduced several weeks ago. Now 'UEFA' should have a different font instead of the previous font they've been using for the competitions for umpteen years now. 69.255.19.141 (talk) 02:37, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you show us an example of the new logo? The one on the UEFA website looks the same as it always has. – PeeJay 15:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/479796_423219744391160_2093819092_n.jpg?dl=1 — It's subtle but the 'UEFA' part has definitely changed. 69.255.19.141 (talk) 14:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I can see what you mean now. If you can find a high quality version of that new logo, by all means upload it here. – PeeJay 20:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

This is the highest-resolution image I could find, there are no vector images of the new logo on UEFA PDF files so far: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/DisciplinaryChart/uefaorg/Mediainformation/01/85/13/00/1851300_DOWNLOAD.pdf 208.22.79.251 (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes, I see the difference now. But I think we will have to wait for a better quality version. Such a small change is hardly cause to replace a good quality image with a crap quality image. – PeeJay 19:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Finally found a PDF with a vectorized UCL logo, check it out here: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/Statistics/01/85/99/80/1859980_DOWNLOAD.pdf 208.22.79.251 (talk) 01:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Is there a version with a black logo on a transparent background in that document? – PeeJay 11:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Haven't found one yet. 208.22.79.251 (talk) 06:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Football/Association football

Please bear with me here, I do not want to unduly upset anyone so I didn't just change this unilaterally. I have no problem with this page using "football" for the game that I have always known as "soccer" in the body of the article. However, I feel that the first mention of the game should display as "association football" just as the first mention of the game on the Super Bowl page displays as "American football". This would match the style used for the pages for the sports themselves as well. --Khajidha (talk) 13:48, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Five teams each?

I do not think it is fair to say that top leagues provide up to 5 teams each. Only in 2005-06 England provided 5 and it was a one off thing. I suggest it is turned to 4.

No, it's correct. In May 2013 UEFA changed the rules. The Europa league winners will now qualify for the following season's Champions league. That country gets an extra place in the Champs league, even if it is Germany, Spain or England. UEFA explicitly say this here: "As an effect of the UEFA Europa League winners qualifying for the UEFA Champions League, the current limit of a maximum four teams per association will be increased to five." Valenciano (talk) 16:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

But isn't that starting at 2015? QED237 (talk) 16:09, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair point. I've reworded to explicitly state that. Valenciano (talk) 17:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Media Coverage

The article states "The competition attracts an extensive television audience, not just in Europe, but throughout the world. The final of the tournament has been, in recent years, the most-watched annual sporting event in the world. With an estimated audience of 109 million people" but the average Formula1 race dwarfs these figures with a global viewing figure pre race being around 305 million people and as high as 507 million for some races. These races are annual and thus are the most watched sporting events, not the champions league or the superbowl. 77.97.151.145 (talk) 00:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Wrong country flag for Atletico de Madrid i

Dear admin,

I noticed that in the table: Winning clubs - Main article: List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League finals there is a mistake on the country flag used for Atletico de Madrid. It somehow resembles the flag used during Franco's regime and needs to be changed to the flag used in the other Spanish teams like Barcelona, Real Madrid or Valencia for example. Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.42.252.4 (talk) 13:16, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Except not. When they won, that was the flag. If they win again, it will be changed.122.1.124.211 (talk) 05:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

anthem section

There reads: The anthem has never been released commercially in its original version.
Strangely, the separate article has this: The anthem has been released commercially in its original version on iTunes with the title of Champions League Theme.
Which one is true? 82.141.126.28 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Versions of the anthem have been released commercially, but the one(s) on iTunes are not official or sanctioned by UEFA. The person(s) who uploaded the tracks to iTunes and receive money when it is/they are downloaded are third party individuals. So the info on the UEFA Champions League anthem page is technically wrong. – PeeJay 19:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, is it then copyright violation if it is not sanctioned by UEFA? If not, why? 82.141.126.28 (talk) 20:27, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it must be copyright violation if UEFA did not endorse those downloads. That said, they can keep being sold until UEFA make a claim. – PeeJay 22:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Del Piero

He seems to be wrongly credited with 43 goals. Shouldn't it be 41 goals? Wikieditors? 92.24.181.91 (talk) 19:28, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I think it has something to do with qualifying round goals being counted on this page, because Ronaldo has scored 70 goals in the official ranking lists and not 71.SimonSpeechless (talk) 22:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League - Winning clubs

List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League finals has an error in Chelsea did't win in 2012 because they lost to SC Corinthians from Brazil that year by 1x0. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.87.142.166 (talk) 20:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Nothing is wrong, Chelsea won UEFA Champions League. It is a European competition so not sure why you talk about a team from Brazil. QED237 (talk) 20:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Autumn?

Group stage in Autumn of which place? Europe? Africa? Brazil? New Zealand?
Ambiguity is there. Must be rectified.
117.198.190.32 (talk) 19:40, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Good point and we do have a policy on this: WP:SEASON, so I've changed it. Valenciano (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you @Valenciano:. .
117.198.190.32 (talk) 20:22, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Wait, what? The UEFA Champions League is played in Europe, where autumn is always the same time of year. It wouldn't make sense for people in other places to assume we meant their autumn. – PeeJay 21:00, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@PeeJay2K3: You must not forget that Wikipedia audience live in other parts of the world as well. And not all will take the pain to know when is autumn there. As I said, Autumn of where? What will an Australian think? Or an Indian? So months are better as it removes the confusion.
117.198.190.32 (talk) 23:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

But like I said, the Champions League is played in Europe, where autumn happens at the same time every year. If you live in the Southern Hemisphere, surely it's not difficult to understand that 'autumn' refers to the season as it exists in the countries where the games are played, not where you are. If I saw an article on rugby in New Zealand that referred to autumn, I wouldn't assume they meant September-December, I'd assume they meant March-June! – PeeJay 23:15, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@PeeJay2K3:First, I purposely said Australia. I don't live in Southern Hemisphere, and even my IP location is not displaying correctly File:Smiley emoticons doh.gif. Second, not everyone is a good observer. Manys don't know in which month it begins at the place they live! Third, if specifying the month removes the ambiguity, then what is the problem?
117.198.190.32 (talk) 23:26, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

All I'm saying is you're making a mountain out of a molehill. 'Autumn' isn't a difficult concept for anyone who lives in a temperate region of the globe – it's usually one of the first things they teach you in school – and it usually only refers to a vague time of year anyway, to avoid having to say anything too specific. – PeeJay 23:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@PeeJay2K3:I am from Tropical zone. And just ending it: Direct yes/ no questions:

• Can there be any problem in writing/ mentioning months?
• Is that edit to say months better?

Come on editor! Do you think everybody remembers what they are taught in school? We are taught to behave nicely. But everyine has a part of (what Christians say and nothing offensive) SATAN inside them. Let, the edit be there.
117.198.190.32 (talk) 00:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, we can have ...In the month of X to Y, when Europe experiences Autumn...

No need to mention Autumn at all, especially since December, when the last group games take place, isn't even considered Autumn in most of Europe. Autumn, as Peejay says, refers to a vague time of the year. Group games since the scrapping of the second group phase in 2003 have always taken place from September to December so we can just scrap the vagueness and say that. Valenciano (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Winning clubs

In the "Records and statistics" section, the table under the "Winning clubs" subheading lists 17 clubs which have not won the European Cup/Champions League. I propose removing the non-winning clubs from the table, like in the UEFA Europa League#Winners article or renaming the subheading. 79.69.207.26 (talk) 20:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Merger of 4th place trophy

Merge as suggested, nothing more than a comment by a manager justifying not winning an actual trophy. Red Jay (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Average audience

The average audience is the usual accepted number for a sports event. The article quoted says that it is 150 million. 360 million is a cumulative audience, which is seldom used to compare ratings. I think 150 million should be the number used. The number quoted also emanates from an undisclosed source, which may be connected to the UEFA, and subject to caution. Accepted and audited numbers for the 2010 FIFA World Cup Final peg the average audience at 530 million, but the WC is wildly more popular among casual fans and non traditional markets than UEFA club soccer, so an average audience of less than 150 million seems plausible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.27.160.28 (talk) 14:15, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Qualification from the group stage given equal points

How do they decide which teams qualify from the group stages when they have equal points? This year it seems Arsenal probably need a two-goal win to go through ahead of Olympiacos ( - see point 1). Arsenal have the better goal difference and goals scored going into the final game, so it seems that any win should be enough. That makes me think it must be the head-to-head results that count, presumably with away goals coming into play if necessary. I would put this in the article, but I don't have a proper citation to give. This kind of thing comes up quite often over a six-game group stage, so I think it should be explained in the article (presumably under "Tournament"). 73.133.242.3 (talk) 04:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

The tie-breaking criteria are listed in full in the article for each season. This season's list can be found here. – PeeJay 16:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

References

(Statslord (talk) 00:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC))Statslord There needs to be an adjustment to the top scorers section. Cristiano Ronaldo is now the only player to ever score three hat tricks in one season and it need to be adjusted because right now it says Lionel Messi and Luiz Adriano are the only ones to score two hat tricks in a season. Statslord (talk) 00:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect map

The map showing which UEFA members have a club which has entered the group stage is completely incorrect. First of all Gibralter is technically not a country and secondly the Isle of Man is highlighted green even though they are not even a UEFA member, nevermind having a club worthy of international football. I hope you shall correct these errors!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.86.78 (talk) 21:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Gibraltar may not be a country, but it is an independent member of UEFA, and the Isle of Man falls under the jurisdiction of the English FA, hence shares the same colour as England. – PeeJay 21:56, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2016

Paolo Maldini has had 139 appearances in the Champions league, which is also confirmed in the source you added! (source 78, you can see it midscreen when you scroll down completely). Good luck! 94.209.124.158 (talk) 04:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you. --QEDK (T ☕ C) 09:04, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

under history, it says "The Mitropa Cup, a competition modelled after the Challenge Cup, was created in 1927 by Zeid Edilbi and played between Central European clubs.[12] "

who is zeid edilbi? the source does not mention this. is this vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.153.231 (talk) 00:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

 Corrected.  OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")! Paine  11:44, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2016

Since Kosovo is now a full UEFA member (as seen in the UEFA champions league page of the 2016-17 season), the map that states of which association already has a team qualified for the group stages and which association hasn't. This moment, the map still doens't include Kosovo, and should be added. 2A02:1811:2D29:2800:3416:841C:C165:F931 (talk) 12:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

 Not done - the map itself needs to be modified, not this article; the map can be found at Commons:File:UEFA members Champs League group stage.png. You will need to download and edit the image, then click on "Upload a new version of this file" in the File History section of that page. WaggersTALK 12:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

WROG DATA

Real Madrid appears like winner of Champions League of 2017, not possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.182.50.248 (talk) 11:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Someone had vandalised the table, but it has now been corrected. Thanks for noticing and letting us know. Qed237 (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Reference 54

The reference 54 is broken, the new link should be http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2444525.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raf.058 (talk • contribs) 00:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2017

Trophy and medals

Under this section currently mentioned as , Five clubs have earned this honour: Real Madrid, Ajax, Bayern Munich, Milan and Liverpool. No information about Barcelona. please refer http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/thetrophy/index.html VishMank (talk) 09:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Kinetic37 (talk) 12:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Map

I'm pleased to note that an updated map was included in this article at the start of this season. However, now that so many of the countries displayed appear in green, I'm wondering what value it has in its current state. The countries in blue are now few and far between, and it would probably take up less space to list them as text, rather than bother going to the extent of creating a map to show them.

Maybe it would be better to colour countries depending on how far any of their clubs have advanced in the tournament? For example, there could be one colour for countries which have provided a winning club, another colour for one with finalists, a further colour for one with semi-finalists, and so on. By differentiating between the countries to a greater extent, it might just make the map worth a bit more to the article.

Yet, as I put this option forward, I'm still not sure exactly how the map fits into the article, and whether it belongs here at all. The text in the article makes no references to it. The article does not even contain any discussion about what I would suppose the map is illustrating, in that some leagues are weaker than others, and as such have never provided a team to the group stage. Perhaps this means that the article requires no map? Or perhaps the map just needs to be integrated better into the article? RedvBlue 15:59, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Now that the current map is out of date after we've got a new country represented in the group stage, we'll need a new one. Maybe, then, this is a good opportunity to look at these points again. RedvBlue 20:39, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2018

Remove citation number 4 as link is dead 86.187.164.124 (talk) 12:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The citation has been fixed. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 19:28, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

paolo maldini

paolo maldini is no 6 in the list of Most appearances — Preceding unsigned comment added by יצחק הורוביץ (talk • contribs) 19:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Goalscorers

The two tables of goalscorers incorrectly attribute Raul's goals to his time in Madrid. From what I can tell, he scored 5 of his 71 with Schalke 04 in 2010–11, but I haven't looked to see in which rounds they occurred. It might be a few days before I can get around to sorting it out, so feel to make this edit if you are interested. Slow Graffiti (talk) 00:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Ronaldo scored 15 goals during 2017-18 AdityaKumar (talk) 21:11, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2018

Add Liverpool as runners up for the year 2018 in the table. 50.54.141.170 (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:37, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2018

Order of winners tables is not in chronological order between Barcelona and Liverpool. Liverpool should come before Barcelona according to format presented because of order by year. Iamdone.yall (talk) 06:39, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liverpool is already before Barcelona in the table, so I'm not sure what you're asking here. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:01, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

 Note: The Winners table is sortable, so if you've hit any of the arrows at the top of the table the order will change. As KuyaBriBri notes, in the default presentation of the table Liverpool does appear on the line directly above Barcelona. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:07, 29 May 2018 (UTC)