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Parents[edit]

Someone in the past couple of days has been trying to change Tim's mother's name to "Delysia" rather than "Ione." Baffled by this, I did a search, and found BOTH of them in articles. For now I have changed it back to Ione, since there are more sources that have this name and seem to be more credible sources, but I would really like a definitive answer on this if anyone knows for sure or can find a very good source. I couldn't find a name on Tim Duncan's official site, [www.slamduncan.com], but perhaps someone else can. Thanks! EWS23 20:45, August 11, 2005 (UTC)-

I have been a fan since Tim Duncan Wake Forest years, and his mother name is Ione, father name is William and his two sister's are Cheryl and Tricia. [email protected]

Shouldn't it be Lone instead of lone? michfan2123 (talk) 15:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's Ione. Eye-own, not Lone. Katharineamy (talk) 16:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Best Player of his Generation[edit]

Should the article have a specific section advocating Tim Duncan as the best player of his (the post-Jordan) era? If yes, here are some important accomplishments to consider:

Entering the 2005-06 season, San Antonio has the highest winning percentage, .702 (438-186), in professional sports since drafting Duncan first overall in 1997.

Scored 12 points in the last six-plus minutes of the 3rd-quarter in Game 7 of the 2005 NBA Finals. In the 4th-quarter, scored 5 points, set-up two open look three-pointers for Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen, and sealed off Ben Wallace twice allowing Ginobili uncontested dunks.

21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, and 8 blocks against the New Jersey Nets in in Game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals, clinching the title.

37 points and 16 rebounds in Game 6 of the 2003 Conference Semi-Finals against the Lakers in Los Angeles, effectively ending the Shaq-Kobe Dynasty.

Averaged 27.4 points and 14 rebounds per game during the 1999 NBA Finals.

As much as Tim Duncan *may* be the best play of his generation, that is up for debate. With that, Wikipedia is a factual site. Since there is no proof that Tim Duncan is the best player of his generation, it is best left out of the article 69.180.207.194 (talk) 06:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Newton[edit]

Is there some reason the Greg Newton affair is being removed from the trivia section?

The Animal 04:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Newton and other unexplained reverts by Downwards?[edit]

Here's are just a few of the references I found doing a little research on line about the Newton-Duncan dispute that Downward reverted the other day:

From the Virginian-Pilot newspaper:

"Newton Is Pulling His Weight At Duke A War Of The Words With Wake's Duncan Shows The Ex-bench Warmer Has Arrived."
"Is Tim Duncan The Best Big Man Ever In The ACC?"
"Wake Beats Duke 8th Straight Time"

From Hoopsworld.com

"Understanding Tim Duncan Better"

Looks like the edits The Animal and Sugar Daddy are certainly verifiable and cannot be called vandalism. Instead, I would characterize the repeated reverts by Downwards inappropriate when not accompanied by any explanation in the edit summaries or on the talk page. More importantly, calling The Animal's last edit vandalism is almost (but not quite) a violation of Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy.

On 24 May, 2006, Downwards deleted 66.229.8.151's trivia note about Duncan's American Express ad without comment (it's a funny ad, by the way -- here's a link to the video).

On 19 May, 2006, Downwards deleted a three-word edit by 131.210.251.108 attributing Duncan's nickname, "The Big Fundamental", to Shaqille O'Neal. Once again, this was reverting a valid edit; from the Victoria Advocate: "The Big Fundamental: Mavs know all too well what they're up against with O'Neal"
--A. B. 05:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wake Forest teammates[edit]

The article mentions Loren Woods and discusses how he "helped ease the pressure on Duncan around the basket." But Woods was a head case and was minimally productive. This is not opinion, rather well-known among those that follow Wake Forest and ACC Basketball.[1]

Also, even though the article is about Duncan, it seems misleading to say that Childress "entered the NBA"; he graduated and went on to a brief NBA career (2 seasons, 51 games). --Crowe0323 (talk) 02:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you elaborate on your second point? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found two instances when it talks about his Wake Forest years where it says he won an "unprecedented" third Defensive Player of the Year award. This is not true. It wasn't unprecedented because it had already been done by Stacey Augmon of UNLV. - Eric Reed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.71.204.146 (talk) 23:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-19127705.html

Position[edit]

The article on centers has a good discussion of whether Duncan plays the four position or the five. I don't know where to put in a link, though.--WadeMcR 16:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could probably mention that in the player profile section. Quadzilla99 22:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whoever defined Duncan's position as "power forward" should check out 82games.com, which shows that Duncan spends the vast majority of his playing time at the center position. --Experience maker (talk) 20:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is 82games.com a reliable source? Dabomb87 (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of personal life items[edit]

I made this edit, as I thought all the information in the section was trivial, and did not add to the notability.

  1. "Tim Duncan is married to Amy..."
    Marrying a college sweetheart is obviously far from uncommon, and a wealthy athlete with a foundation, and a spouse running it are pretty par for the course. I could see the argument for inclusion if, like Doug Flutie, he was famous for his foundation, but I'm not seeing it here.
  2. "Duncan is nicknamed "Merlin," due to his love of the fantasy role playing game, Dungeons & Dragons, and renaissance fairs..."
    I think we can talk about how Tim Duncan is a bit of a nerd, which might be a rarity for jocks. But the Playmate of the Month profile stuff at the end should definitely be chopped.
  3. "Before his mother succumbed to breast cancer, Tim promised her he would complete his university degree before playing basketball professionally."
    It's interesting, but interesting alone isn't notable and not sufficiently encyclopedic. This paragraph should go.
  4. "When Duncan was called "soft" by ACC rival and Duke center Greg Newton"
    Duncan wasn't the first athlete to talk trash and won't be the last. I'm not seeing the relevance, and why it ended up in the personal life section is beyond me.

Thoughts? Ytny (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Every single well-developed sports biography has a section on a person's personal life, including who they are married to where they grew up etc, see here and here on Featured article Michael Jordan. The information about his mother and current family is particularly notable. Here's some more examples from featured articles:here, here, here, here. I don't think that because Duncan's personal hobbies are somewhat geeky or trivial they shouldn't be mentioned, see here on Michael Jordan, his golf activities and hobbies are mentioned. As a matter of fact articles have even been failed for GA let alone FA for this reason., see here. For full disclosure I'm the main contributor ot the Michael Jordan article, but it did just recently pass through an active FAC in which, after several problems were addressed, it received full support and no one mentioned deleting all the off the court info. Quadzilla99 03:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the following info however:"When Duncan was called "soft" by ACC rival and Duke center Greg Newton, he responded by challenging Newton's qualifications for making the assessment, facetiously pointing out that Newton was "everybody's All-American". This could go into an expanded college section later.
"On his homepage, Duncan states he is afraid of sharks and heights, his favorite film is The Crow, he is a big fan of the Chicago Bears and his hobbies include collecting knives." That's pure trivia. Quadzilla99 03:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I cleaned up the section, keep in mind I put most of the tags on this article, so I know it's in very poor shape right now. I'm not defending the current status of the or overall quality level of the article. Quadzilla99 03:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I re-edited the above for typos please re-read. Quadzilla99 04:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response. I don't have anything against personal life sections per se. And I think you misunderstood me re: nerdy hobbies - in fact, I think Duncan's nerdiness needs to be mentioned in the article because it's one part of his personal life that really sets him apart from other athletes. And again, thanks for the edits, and I'll work on better sourcing for the items that are left. 04:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I hope you could read all that I rushed through it and left an ungodly amount of typos and errors, it's all fixed now. Quadzilla99 04:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The tattoo info could probably go too, except maybe to mention briefly (in like 3-5 words) how much he is into dungeons and dragons and renaissance fairs. Quadzilla99 04:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jersey number[edit]

wonder if there's any significance behind no. 21... Chensiyuan 14:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other than it being his college number, I've never heard of any; and, as a lifelong Wake fan, I have followed Duncan since he was a freshman there.--Crowe0323 (talk) 01:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
thanks! Chensiyuan (talk) 13:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Way too many boxes at the bottom of the article[edit]

Do we need all of them? Chensiyuan 07:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I shuffled the order in which the boxes appear and moved the external links after the references as is standard format. The only box that I would cut is the NBA live cover box. Seems kinda useless. Quadzilla99 08:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Laughing incident[edit]

just wanted to gather some thoughts regarding including the laughing incident where Duncan got ejected? this is without mentioning the length accorded to the incident (about 1/5 of the 2003-07 section) Chensiyuan 08:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely daft - to include it. Manderiko 20:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incident[edit]

There should be more explanation of the Joey Crawford incident. As currently written it is very one-sided.

NP Chensiyuan 02:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there was some reason for Crawford's seemingly harsh reaction to Duncan laughing. Duncan is known as one who complains more than most athletes - with that wide-eyed, who-me look almost every time an official whistles him for a foul. AOL sports even named Duncan one of the all-time whiners in sports - see http://sports.aol.com/photos/biggest-whiners-in-sports So there should be something about Duncan's whining in here. Jacksonthor (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Undue, point, and fringe; need more evidence of a widely held opinion. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Leader of the Spurs" (from opening paragraph)[edit]

This description might be vague to non-NBA fans. Could we change "leader" to the more precise "captain"? Zagalejo 06:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Either is fine to me but if you think capt is better than I suppose. Chensiyuan 06:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Something else I noticed: what's with the height field in the infobox? I can't figure out what the problem is. 76.197.193.86 06:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good eyes. I think it's fixed now. Chensiyuan 07:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gang of six[edit]

Duncan is one of only six NBA players to ever win ROY and all three MVP awards --- do we have a source for this? I tried googling it to no avail. Chensiyuan 16:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I uncommented this and left it with a {{fact}} tag - I think it's too important to leave invisible, and there is more chance of finding a source for it if it's tagged. Cricketgirl 09:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FAC[edit]

am in the process of refining the article in the hope of nominating it for FA... would welcome all manner of assistance, particularly with improvement of prose. Chensiyuan 11:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just listed it, article is worth giving it a shot. —Onomatopoeia 13:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Working on it as I have time to. SabarCont 07:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quadruple-Double Miss[edit]

Isn't Duncan's near quad-double noteworthy? Per Wikipedia's own quadruple-double article: Tim Duncan, June 15, 2003, NBA Finals, San Antonio vs. New Jersey; 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks. I figured it'd be in the part mentioning defeating New Jersey. It was one of NBA.com's top 60 playoff moments too and further cements Duncan's dominance at his position. SabarCont 11:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's now mentioned in the relevant section. Chensiyuan 14:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-automated peer review[edit]

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finishing college[edit]

I realize the promise he made his mother to finish college is very important. However the article seems to mention it 4 times. It's a bit redundant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.200.29.93 (talk) 01:16, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

ok, it's less now. Chensiyuan 02:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MOS breaches[edit]

Pls fix the MOS breaches throughout the article. Date ranges and sports scores are separated by endashes, not hyphens, per WP:DASH. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, I think. Chensiyuan picked up major slack, and I just scanned through the article and only found 1 error. If you still have objections, feel free to point them out. —Onomatopoeia 07:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. Thanks for fixing those little things; some editors actually protest and refuse to make fixes post-FAC <grrrrr ... > SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am wondering about some WP styling; as a former sportswriter, standard AP style dictates that scores, series results, etc., ALWAYS be written with the winning score first, such as 86-69; I noticed in several areas in this article that playoff series may have been lost, 1-3 or 2-4. This would be inappropriate in newspaper copy; best practice is to rephrase such that the winning team is noted for clinching a 3-1 or 4-2 series victory, even if it is not the Spurs (or whichever team is being discussed). While I changed a few instances here, is there a hard and fast rule across the board, one way or the other? I would think that AP style would be most appropriate.--Crowe0323 (talk) 01:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not in issue anymore. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tenth NBA All-Star source[edit]

[1] - would insert later. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Misc: reread jockbio, update NCAA records (rebounds, blocks, double doubles). Chensiyuan (talk) 08:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More sources: [2] Chensiyuan (talk) 08:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

someone vandalized the page!![edit]

They referred to Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen as being gay and doing gay things, and they also mentioned Tony Parker too but I erased it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.22.82 (talk) 08:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weasel Words/Reference[edit]

I was surprised to see this statement as part of the intro of a featured article, especially on the front page. "...and his list of accomplishments and leadership in the Spurs' NBA title runs in 1999, 2003, 2005, and 2007 have led basketball experts to consider him to be one of the greatest power forwards in NBA history." This really needs a reference. - Slow Graffiti (talk) 06:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The editors who worked on this (originally) didn't prefer to have references in the lead; the current ones were added later by others. The body contains the references for the sentence in question. Chensiyuan (talk) 06:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I asked because there are other references in the lead. Why should it be split based on who edited and when? Less important references are included in the lead, unless I'm missing something. For instance, why does his date of birth have a reference? Has it been disputed? - Slow Graffiti (talk) 20:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Spurs worst team ever"[edit]

This appears throughout the article, but not in the coding. Remove? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.204.146 (talk) 18:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

tim you are really good and generous,keep it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.199.151.27 (talk) 13:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Fringe contenders for the championship"[edit]

Why is the source for this line allowed? Anyone that follows basketball should know of the flaws of John Hollinger's methods of analyzing the sport. He has an agenda since he uses only his proprietary statistics to evaluate players and teams. A better source would be one of the many "expert" round-table discussions that ESPN had over the year, in which their 8 or 10 basketball guys analyzed and predicted winners instead of Hollinger's computer. Frankly, I think the line itself is treading on being pure opinion anyways, regardless of source. Injuries to two of the team's main players should make it easy to infer that the team was not a contender. Thoughts? 64.148.241.133 (talk) 00:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be added[edit]

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/art_garcia/01/19/duncan20K/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1... Chensiyuan (talk) 18:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan is a center[edit]

I have changed all references. — [Unsigned comment added by AboutFaace (talk • contribs).]

He's a forward, and plays that position roughly 90% of the time. I'll fix your edits for you. Thanks. Kuru (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A forward? He is the tallest player on his team, the other team's tallest player / center guards him, he guards the other team's tallest player / center. He played power forward about 20 minutes a game for his first 2 years in the league. Ever since then he has played center roughly 90% of the time. Do not revert my edits. — [Unsigned comment added by AboutFaace (talk • contribs) 20:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC).][reply]

He plays and has played both, and the sources provided state so. It's not about your own observations. Anyway, Duncan and Robinson co-existed for 5 years, and after that, there were Nazr, Nesterovic, Oberto and even Bonner, all listed as Cs and PFs, who could all play PF and C, depending on the situation. San Antonio has been flexible in that regard. Just because the opponent's C isn't guarded by a C doesn't make a PF a C. Chensiyuan (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Kuru and chensi are biased. Kuru is a native of san antonio and wants duncan to be known as the best pf of all time. Yes, Duncan is a great pf, but he isn't even in the top ten of centers, the position where he plays 90% of his minutes. Chensi is a san antonio fan and his opinion is also biased. CHENSI and KURU: DO NOT REVERT. if other editors believe he is a power forward let them say so. You both have said your peace. DO NOT REVERT, consider this your last warning. — [Unsigned comment added by AboutFaace (talk • contribs) 00:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC).][reply]

Lol, child... Chensiyuan (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NBA.com lists him as a forward: [3] Zagalejo^^^ 22:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

can someone explain to me how someone can be listed as a forward when he guards the other team's center and the other team's center guards him? Can you name one other player in the nba that this standard applies to? He is the tallest player on the spurs and guards the other team's tallest player, and the other team's tallest player guards him. TIM DUNCAN IS A CENTER!!! — [Unsigned comment added by AboutFaace (talk • contribs) 04:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC).][reply]

Kobe is a shooting guard, and he sometimes guards LeBron who is a forward, does this makes Kobe a forward too?? Chuck Hayes (6-6) of Houston Rockets is currently their starting center, but he is shorter than 3 other starters, Scola (6-9), Ariza (6-8) and Martin (6-7). Does this means Hayes should not be listed as a center?? Your argument makes no sense at all. Conclusion is, Duncan is both a power forward and a center. — Martin tamb (talk) 11:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
many explanations have already been offered, many WP policies already explained, this child is not listening... Chensiyuan (talk) 12:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
AboutFaace has been blocked for 48 hours for edit warring. Hopefully we can move on now. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Tim Duncan is a center, has been for 80% of his career. I know none of you ( chensi, kuru, etc) have never played basketball since middle school, but imagine if you are the tallest player and guard the other team's tallest player, and he guards you as well. Wouldn't that classify you as a center? Yes, it would, unless you have a vested interest in calling Duncan the best PF ever.

we have rebutted all your points, and you've said nothing to ours, which are all rooted in the rules and policies of this encyclopedia. your accusations of bias are a poor red herring and utterly pathetic. won't that classify you as a belligerent? yes, unless you have unarticulated yet obvious agendas. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:11, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


You have rebutted nothing! Did you watch the game tonight? Tim Duncan was guarded by Dampier and Hawyood- both centers. Tim Duncan guarded Haywood and Dampier. I fail to see why this standard is only applied to Duncan. I know you have a vested interest in classifying Duncan as the best PF of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AboutFaace (talk • contribs) 04:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Duncan is a PF and a C is explained many times. If you still disagree, then go start your own blog or something. Arguing here doesn't help. Please stop.—Chris!c/t 04:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, time to ignore trolling. Chensiyuan (talk) 05:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Just because i haven't spent hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of my life on wikipedia doesn't mean i'm wrong. You guys need to get a life, get up, go outside, maybe talk to a girl. Is patrolling wikipedia the most important thing in your pathetic life? TIM DUNCAN IS A CENTER! He plays the center position, he did so in college, high school, and the pros. For 2 years David Stern wanted to market Duncan as a pf because of the "twin towers" concept with David Robinson. I fail to comprehend how one can guard the other team's center, and the other team's center guards him yet he is considerd a power forward?? what alternate reality to do you live by? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AboutFaace (talk • contribs) 06:30, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop edit-waring. If you continue to do so, I will have to report you again.—Chris!c/t 06:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, nobody here saying that he is not a center, all of them are saying he is both forward and center. However, if you think that all of our opinion are biased you can ignore them. But you should check his profiles and positions in these sports websites:

You can ignore all our opinions, but you cannot ignore the sources find from these recognizable websites. According to these sources, he should be listed as both forward and center, because the information on wikipedia must follow the policies in Wikipedia:Verifiability which mentions: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true. Therefore, your single opinion that he is a pure center cannot be added because it's contradictory to the reliable sources above. — Martin tamb (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am explaining here regarding why AboutFaace's recent edits are unnecessary. [4] is unnecessary because experts say he is the greatest PF in NBA history, not "big men." Additionally, the term "big man" is unclear. Why be vague when you can be precise. [5] is also not need as it affects the flow of the sentence. The fact that he is both a PF and a C is already shown in the infobox. So, there is no need to change every mentioning of "forward" into the lengthy "forward / center".—Chris!c/t 00:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


i'm back from my suspension. I've been watching the spurs games and i haven't seen him guard anybody but the other team's center. also, he is guarded by the opposing center. I know none of you editors actually play basketball, but trust me, that makes him a center. I know i can't win this argument because i'm new to wikipedia and you losers have spent a good portion of your life patrolling these pages. Just watch the spurs games, tell me one time when duncan is guarded by a pf or guards the other team's pf. thanks, i thought so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AboutFaace (talk • contribs) 03:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but threshold for inclusion of material on Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. If you can cite a reliable secondary source, I think the other editors here would be happy to reconsider. Right now you are basing your argument on your synthesis to draw conclusions, which is considered original research and cannot be included on Wikipedia. You have not yet addressed the fact that many sources list Duncan as a forward, center, or both. In addition, your disparaging comments do nothing to help your argument. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:38, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Warcraft II bonding with David Robinson[edit]

I saw someone added this and someone took it out due to lack of a source. However, I remember hearing the same thing back in the day. Is anyone able to find a source for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.7.116 (talk) 03:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even if sourced, this is trivia and shouldn't be added in the article.—Chris!c/t 03:34, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


I think this should be included in the articleSuckafree420 (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan coauthored chapter in psychology book[edit]

http://books.google.com/books?id=zY1ivEwlHP4C&lpg=PA111&ots=nl14fdGXmf&dq=Aversive%20Interpersonal%20Behavior%20tim%20duncan&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q=Aversive%20Interpersonal%20Behavior%20tim%20duncan&f=false

see the bottom of this professor's page:

http://people.duke.edu/~leary/trivia.html

"My most famous student... Tim Duncan, NBA star with the San Antonio Spurs, was a psychology major at Wake Forest when I taught there. He took my research methods class, worked with me on research, and co-authored a book chapter with me." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.67.253.29 (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting information... now to figure out where to slot it, given the book was published in 1997 (ie, after he had graduated). Chensiyuan (talk) 15:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It may have been PUBLISHED after he graduated, but that doesn't mean he didn't work on it while still in school. I'd add it in the last paragraph of his college section, right after the first line. I.E. "In contrast to contemporary prep-to-pro players like Kevin Garnett, Jermaine O'Neal, Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant, Duncan stayed at college for a full four years, and co-authored a chapter in "Aversive Interpersonal Behaviors"" or something similar to that. You know what, I'll just add it in now, and if you want to change it or find a better place go ahead. Vyselink (talk) 17:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it going in? I think it should, but doesn't seem to have been added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5E8C:91E9:C496:1645:3E17:D74D (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's there. I added it in a few days ago, and then it got moved to a better section, but it's there in the "Off The Court" section. Vyselink (talk) 17:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nickname?[edit]

I did not see a mention of Tim Ducan's very popular nickname, "The Big Fundamental", at all throughout this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tb40590 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Use ctrl + f. Chensiyuan (talk) 08:08, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mention it then?

Chase for the fifth championship over (2014)[edit]

The final section in his playing career section is 'Chase for the fifth championship over (2014)'. Can someone please give it a better title or header? Perhaps something that does not sound like it was written by child? Maybe something more encyclopedic? --65.79.142.245 (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to make the change! Chensiyuan (talk) 19:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The article is currently semi-protected, so an IP editor would have to provide the exact wording so an autoconfirmed user can make the change.—Bagumba (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Duncan has 3 half brothers, one has won 10 Emmy awards[edit]

http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/1900651/tim-duncans-brother-scott-10-time-emmy-winner San Antonio Spurs big man Tim Duncan has been one of the best power forwards in the NBA since entering the league in 1997. It’s unlikely that many people knew his brother, Scott Duncan, was just as talented in another field, cinematography.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2540806-tim-duncan-revs-up-style-in-his-car-shop-revealing-a-rare-portrait-of-a-legend Then he grabs a yellow-canned Red Bull in a mini-fridge by the front desk and leads two people—his older brother, Scott, an Emmy award-winning filmmaker and photographer, who rode with Duncan to the shop, and a writer—upstairs into BlackJack's main office.

http://www.duncan.tv/ Lists Scott Duncan's Emmy awards

I could not find a good source for the three brothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.65.58 (talk) 04:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was actually about to inquire about this as well. Per recent news articles, Tim Duncan has at least one brother, Scott Duncan. However, I'm unable to find any information on whether or not the brothers are half-brothers, but it is probably true. In fact, due to Scott Duncan's accomplishments, he as an encyclopedic subject probably meets WP:GNG. Steel1943 (talk) 18:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He has one brother,Scott Duncan (10 emmys) and 2 sisters. I updated his bio, referencing this:https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/amp/Meet-Tim-Duncan-s-big-brother-Scott-Duncan-6537689.php


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Assessment comment[edit]

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Needs expansion and inline citations to reach GA status. Quadzilla99 05:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 05:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 08:48, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2016[edit]

The last paragraph in the intro of this entry is incorrect. It states he holds an "honorary degree". To the best of any information available, including the cited reference, Tim Duncan graduated from Wake Forest with a Bachelors Degree in Psychology. He was in school for 4 years. Which is notable as he could have left early to play in the NBA. But he stayed to finish his degree. This is something that should be highly valued, generally speaking. He should be a role model for kids to try to stay in school and earn their degree. To say he holds an honorary, is robbing people of the proper information and influence he can have.

Also the sentence is an absolute mess and could stand to be edited overall. But I just want honorary removed, and it specified he graduated.

Spencer.bartlett (talk) 00:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done - looks like it previously stated "honor degree" and someone modified to "honorary" here; two very different things. I've just changed it to "a degree" since I couldn't quickly find a source related to it being with honors. Clearly, it is not honorary. Thanks. Kuru (talk) 00:50, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Biography: Early Life - Reference and Sources[edit]

Currently a major source for much of Tim Duncan's early life is from jockbio.com, with undated articles on that site, and no identifiable authorship. Some more recognized (and more recent) sources for much of the same information could be cited, including papers of record:

- Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/07/11/tim-duncans-legendary-career-began-by-dominating-alzono-mourning-at-age-16/ (By Adam Kilgore July 11, 2016)

- San Antonio Express-News: www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Still-Duncan-after-all-these-years-6082124.php Cached: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LT_ogZqoBSQJ:www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Still-Duncan-after-all-these-years-6082124.php+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (By Jeff McDonaldFebruary 14, 2015)

- Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/tim-duncans-other-career-as-an-academic-psychologist-1468268919 (Behind paywall, may need to cite paper version) (By Ben Cohen July 11, 2016) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.31.126.202 (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Tim The Greatest Power Forward, Not best. GOAT not BOAT[edit]

If you google “Tim Duncan greatest power forward of all time” there are a tons of articles from noteworthy people, sports shows, teamates, and opponents. If you google best, there aren’t many.

MissTofATX (talk) 04:55, 13 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX MissTofATX (talk) 04:55, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was tweaking the wording after someone had changed him from "the greatest" PF to just "one of the greatest". There's enough sources that directly say that he is widely considered the greatest, and it's not even the typical case of Wikipedia editors doing their own survey of what is "widely considered". As for "greatest" vs "best", the background is I was going to combine the two sentences about him being "the greatest PF" and "the greatest Spur" into one sentence, but ultimately did not. So I had changed "greatest" to "best" to break the repetitiveness, as they are generally synonyms. GOAT was furthest thing from my mind LOL. No big for me as I didn't combine the sentences together.—Bagumba (talk) 05:19, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Center vs Power Forward[edit]

An IP keeps requesting a swap of Power Forward and Center. They have been reverted with a comment that he was mostly a power forward. However, review of his official stat likes shows hewas officially listed at nearly an even amount of games at each position with PF being his official position for first half of career and C for second half.

So while I am declining their requested revision, perhaps those that follow this page can take a look at the wording to eliminate the debate over which way he should be referenced. And the answer may be that PF is the overwhelming position he is known for and played, stat lines be damned. Slywriter (talk) 00:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Slywriter: Seems fine as is. Editors are welcome to discuss and change consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 01:25, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I welcomed the IP to bring the issue to this talk page. Just wanted to put eyes on the requested edit that know Duncan's career better than I. Slywriter (talk) 01:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, looking back at the stats, he did spend time consistently over the last half of his career at the center. Clearly, early on, he was a pure forward with David Robinson at 5. This Bleacher Report editorial probably sums it up best: "First thing's first: Duncan is a power forward. Call him a power forward-turned center if you want. That's totally cool. A majority of his minutes in recent years have been logged at the 5, so the urge to classify him as a center can be persuasive. Just don't give into it. It's not true. He's a power forward and will be remembered accordingly." Even that, though, is two years before he retired. The sentence in question is more of a "what was his primary role", and that's a lot more debatable than "what was he famous for?" I probably should not have reverted and started this discussion instead; did not realize how much time he spent later on as a C - including many of his later all-star voting brackets. Kuru (talk) 01:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A few former newspaper writers aside (and even those are mostly gone now), I generally wouldn't use Bleacher Report as a reliable source. Very bloggy material.—Bagumba (talk) 05:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We should rely on how secondary sources refer to him, not play-by-play stats from stats databases. For example, basketball-reference.com would call Draymond Green the SF and Kevin Durant the PF on the 2018–19 Warriors,[6] which few sources would agree. As for Duncan, he is generally referred to as a forward: There's somewhat of a debate as to whether Duncan was a power forward or a center, although the consensus agrees he's a forward.(Sporting News 2016) We could also add that he played mostly played center towards the end of his career.[7]. Calling him primarily a center seem like WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS for now.—Bagumba (talk) 05:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy for Tim Duncan[edit]

I see Kobe Bryant has a legacy heading on his article, I figure can someone make a Legacy heading for Tim Duncan since him and Kobe Bryant are close in the all time rankings JwillWiki454 (talk) 02:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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