Talk:Soma Cruz

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Former good articleSoma Cruz was one of the Video games good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
May 20, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
January 7, 2008Good article nomineeListed
March 3, 2008Featured topic candidatePromoted
September 11, 2008Good topic candidateNot promoted
Current status: Delisted good article

White? Ritual drink?[edit]

"Soma" is 蒼真.

Look that up in any Japanese dictionary.

蒼い: Blue.

真: True, real.

His surname was originally "Kurusu" (来須), which is also Japanese, which was changed to "Cruz" in an attempt to make the first game more accessible to non-Japanese.

This is true. "'Soma Cruz' means 'cross of a ritual drink of importance among the early Indo-Iranians, and the later Vedic and Iranian cultures, and specifically in Hindu mythology!' isn't. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.6.61 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also...[edit]

"...and depending on the player's actions you enter a mirror into the chaotic realm (the normal ending of the game can be attained here if the player doesn't fulfill certain requirments to enter the mirror). In here, Soma comes across Celia finally, who tells Soma to meet her in another area."

There is no "chaotic realm". Soma encounters Celia in the throne room after exiting the mirror world where he fights Dario's inner demon, Agni.

"Julius, Arikado, and Yoko fight through all of the normal games area's but with new bosses, essentially being a totally different game in itself."

There is only one new boss- Souma himself. There is also no dialogue at all, except for when you encounter Yoko and Alucard, and before the final battle.

"While this is a very dark ending and followup storyline, it is considered the favorite ending by far due to its unusually tragic atmosphere and how eerilly well it wraps up the Soma Cruz storyline."

Julius mode has no ending. Upon defeating Souma's second form, you see the castle collapse, and then the credits roll.

"Demitri absorbs a great deal of Dracula's power for himself and enters the Chaotic realm once more, killing Celia in the process."

There is no "chaotic realm" in the game, and Celia dies later in the abyss as a sacrifice to the Menace.

"As the game has been recently released, it is unknown which ending will eventually be the Canon ending. Some argue that the fact Julius Mode, a whole new game in itself is unlocked by the Bad Ending show this as proof that Igarashi intends to have the tragic ending be canon, although it is impossible to say at this point"

As I've said before, Julius mode has no ending, no new bosses aside from Souma, and almost no dialogue at all.

Unless all of this blatant misinformation is removed, I should think that the article is better off without the whole Dawn of Sorrow plot section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.6.60 (talk • contribs) 04:33, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have personally played the game myself, and while many of the small details were wrong the general flow of what was said was generally correct. I'll leave it as is for now as it was pretty messy to begin with, and maybe I'll make a new entry for his Dawn of Sorrow role if someone else doesn't eventually.
I have to say though sir, the way you handled this was rather destructive, unconstructive and offensive. There's no need to resort to cursing and personal insults. Also, while the thing did need cleaning up I don't think it was necessary to delete the whole thing. If you know so much more information than you should add some in yourself. I have to say this almost borderlines on wiki vandalism but its not that big of a deal in the end. Just please keep in mind that you are free to change whatever you want as long as its within reason, so really there's no need to get all huffy and offensive to other posters. That just doesn't lead to anything but pointless bickering. --Kiyosuki 08:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

I've removed the entire Allusions to Dracula section as it's all OR. Jtrainor 19:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Dracula?[edit]

Soma and Dracula ARE pretty much the same person, so would it be a good move if this page was merged into Dracula (Castlevania)? Soma could still have his biography in a section, if so. 66.63.86.156 18:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two distinct characters. Soma is the protagonist of his own set of games also. Separating them is best. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 19:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Failed GA nomination[edit]

The article doesn't present any real out of universe information, and its content is only plot summary, thus it fails WP:WAF. If the OOU content can be found, and this is slightly compacted and rearranged, I'm sure it will pass next time. TTN 18:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer Student[edit]

The article states that Soma is a transfer student; while Aria's prologue states this, it is a mistranslation. Should it be removed or not?

This is not a mistranslation. I remember IGA once said in an interview that Soma is Japanese in the original version, but had his ethnicity changed in the overseas version to make the game more marketable. I can't remember the exact source, but it was a Japanese strategy guide for Aria of Sorrow. Jonny2x4 07:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just added that detail. 88.161.129.43 (talk) 03:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tone[edit]

I think it is MOS convention to refer to a character by his or her surname. hbdragon88 (talk) 08:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's just for real people. See Jason Voorhees, Padmé Amidala, and Aerith Gainsborough, which all use the character's first name. That and it would sound awkward using "Cruz" continuously, seeing as he's never referred to by his surname in either game. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 22:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
O RLY? Hmmm. I just thought it was, and was changing them on the Yu-Gi-Oh! pages and such, the most recent being "Duke" to "Nukem" on on DN3D. Looking at WP:VG/GA, the problem is that quite a few of them have no surname – Kirby, Nicole, etc. hbdragon88 (talk) 23:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Wow, this is about as close as I've ever gotten to passing an article without putting it on hold first. One tiny problem though:

  1. The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically it must address all major points/headings made in the body of the article. Currently, there's nothing on the "reception" section.
  2. And while you're at that, sentence should never begin with however, as they can always be re-worded more appropriately without the "however" at the beginning. There are several examples of this throughout the text.

After that, I'll be more than happy to pass this as a Good Article. To allow for these changes to be made, I will sacrifice the corneas of a vampire to the dark gods place the article for on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Which would suck. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 09:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixes made. Regards, Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 19:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, no hesitation in passing this article as a Good Article. Congratulations and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 22:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Romanian?[edit]

I've found no source on his being Romanian online except a couple of other wikis which also give no source. As far as I can tell, in the English version he's only 'an exchange student from Europe' (I assume Spain based on his last name, but we can't put assumptions in the main article), and in Japanese he's purely Japanese. Dracula being Romanian does not make Soma Romanian. 94.194.105.123 (talk) 09:29, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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