Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soma Cruz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to List of Castlevania characters#Soma Cruz. ✗plicit 12:43, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Soma Cruz[edit]

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Just like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astaroth (Soulcalibur), despite being a GA article, the sourcing standards have increased and the article clearly lacking WP:SIGCOV. GA criteria have no bearing on notability. It relies mostly on trivia passing mentions, thus failing WP:N. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 11:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List of Castlevania characters. Even Google Books or Google Scholar does not come up with much - does not appear to pass WP:GNG, with entirely trivial coverage. Most of the article is just quotes or reviews of the game itself. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: As per above. This whole thing looks a little crufty to me. There seems to have been a migration of Wikia editors to Wikipedia and they're doing their innocent best to turn one into the other. --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Best example is this article: Rachel Amber. The afd discussion was controversial. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 12:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the article List of Castlevania characters has a prose size of 98.932kB; Soma Cruz currently has 8.597. The combined article would be around 18,000 words (granted, some information, citations and so on are almost certainly repeated, but the list is already 16,540 words as it stands). WP:SIZESPLIT suggests that an article over 100kB should "almost certainly be divided", while one over 60kB (which the list already is) "probably should be divided". Would merging the two simply create an oversized article that then needs to be split; if so, would there be a better way to resolve that problem than simply splitting off this character's article again? UndercoverClassicist (talk) 13:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Given the character list's WP:ALLPLOT nature, that is an issue that should be resolved by trimming down the characters to the bare essentials. If it is somehow expanded with actual development and reception and is still too long, it could be further split by game, but that's not really viable with the article in its current state. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:SIZESPLIT, [these kB size guidelines] also apply less strongly to list articles, especially if splitting them would require breaking up a sortable table. Character lists are not ordinarily designed to be read from start to finish---instead, you usually just read the section on the character you're interested in---so reading comfort/understandability is not a major structural concern. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Castlevania characters#Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow - The sources really do not show the notability to justify an independent article. Discounting the 15 or so citations that are simply quotes from the game itself or the ones that are simple database sites like IMDB, the rest are generally pretty trivial coverage about Soma himself. Most of them are reviews of the games themselves, which of course mention the character, but do not go into the depth of coverage needed to actually demonstrate that Soma, himself, passes the WP:GNG. Many others are super trivial mentions that certainly do not contribute to notability. The article size concerns really should not be a problem, because Soma already has a decent sized section on the List of Castlevania characters article itself - there honestly is not a whole lot that still needs to be merged over. Rorshacma (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Most of the reception is about the game than about Soma as a character himself, and trying to look online for additional sources has turned up nothing.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.