Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger/Archive 4

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Better Picture

Do we really have to use a picture of Mr. Freeze, and use a better picture of arnold? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.160.161 (talk) 05:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

-I'm thinking exactly the same thing. Honestly, that wasn't a very smart move on whoever decided to upload that picture. :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.70.126 (talk) 15:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Cronology

I think there is a lack of cronology in this article and it also does not have a flow that makes it easy to read and follow. The whole article consist of a lot of subsections stating facts in various fields, but there is not a well thought thrugh overall structure. I think this may also be one reason why it have not meet the good article criteria yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.74.23 (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• chronology Dan428 (talk) 21:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

254 kg stone lifting - impossible

In 1967 Schwarzenegger competed in the Munich stone-lifting contest, in which a stone weighing 508 German pounds (254 kg/560 lb) is lifted between the legs while standing on two foot rests,and won.

At his peak, he's able to bench-press 227 kg. So there's no way, even in theory, he could lift a 254 kg stone, let alone 2ft off the ground. Anyone got a ref, or a pic of the event? If he did lift some stone, that one definitely < 227 kg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.146.82 (talk) 10:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It is not impossible. Bench-pressing is not the same as lifting; bench-pressing is almost all arm strength whereas lifting uses arms, legs, back, etc. It is concievable that if he could bench-press 227 kg at some point in his life, he could also lift 254 kg. It would still be good to confirm the information, however. --69.118.38.225 (talk) 22:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Not only is it not impossible, but it's fairly easy to find someone who can do this. I'm sure there are many gyms throughout the United States where any day you can walk in and see a 560 pound deadlift. Here's some random guys on YouTube lifting 600 lbs. [1][2] [3]--Yankees76 16:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You got me wrong. Deadlift is easier than bench-press, very true, but that's when you talk about barbells, whose shapes are conductive to lifting, and the weight is distributed with the bar. But stones are another issue, the weights are highly concentrated, and their shapes...oh well! I've watched some Strongman competitions, whereby they lift 300 lbs stone balls with great difficulty, yet these same guys have no problem hoisting 300+ barbells overhead, which's obviously more difficult to perform than bench-pressing the same amount. That's why atlas stone lifting records are far behind bench-pressing's. No way Anrold lifted this much, since at his peak(not in 1967 for sure), he's able to bench 227 kg. It's impossible! If I recalled correctly, the latest record for stone lift is some 237 kg.

It not that hard, and this event did happen. See this link - an excerpt from Arnold Schwarzenegger: A Biography By Louise Krasniewicz, Michael Blitz. [4]--Quartet 02:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Quarte, actually I read about this event long ago, in greater detail than in this excerpt. At that time I had no clue and thought it's poss. But now re-read it and witnessing stone lifting, wsm events, it appeared that if Anorld did lift some stone, it must be at best, equal his bench-press. I have nothing against Annorld myself(actually quite enjoy his personality), but stone-lifting is truly supremacy, it's not like lifting some barbell, you know. That said, I don't believe it at any rate. The world record for stone lift this year is 237 kg, and it's lifted with great difficulty, i would say with agony, especially after hearing the guy answering the interview. Just read what I wrote above, and you'll see my point. Even Franco Columbu, who benched more than Arnold, never achieved anything comparable. But it's ben 40 years already, so perhaps we might just forget it. It's fun to discuss though.

To Yankees76, just one more thing: While it's poss that every now and then, some guy in some gym at some place is able to deadlift 254 kg, it's nowhere near as common as you said, no way! It's the real weird, not the norm! Take Stallone and Dolph Lundgren for ex: Dolph had lifted weights for years before rocky, and during the 1 year he played Drago in Rocky 4, he trained much more intensely in gyms. And in the movie, there's 1 scene in which Dolph lifted a guy way up with his left hand(he's right-handed), guess what? At that time, the peak of his life, he's able to bench 135 kg, or 300 lbs. And Stallone, who had been training just as intensely 10+ years by the time of Rocky 4, and who was even hiring Franco Columbu, one of the world's trongest man at the time, twice, to be his body building coach, was able to bench about 175 kg(385 lbs) max. And also in Rocky 4, when he's the strongest in his life, there's one scene where he lifted a big rock('bout 65 kg) by both hands with great effort,despite being able to bench 175-180 kg. Converting to dealift, Stallone may be able to lift 254 kg, may be! And I'm sure that Dolph and Sly are stronger than most men you find at any gym anytime thruout the States, then and now. We know none of the background of these youtube guys, who knows what they do 8 hours a day? So deadlift 254 kg is possible, but not for most of gym visitors. It you happen to see it(and i'm sure it's really rare), just come and ask the guy about his background. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.147.34 (talk) 02:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

This has gotten completely off-topic, but I'll bite. First off, bench press strength has nothing to do with how much weight you can pick up off the ground. I don't see how the two are even remotely comparable. Secondly, none of the people you mention are particularly noteworthy or well-known for being strong - besides Franco Columbu, who could have deadlifted 560 in his sleep (his personal best was 780 lbs). Lundgren and Stallone are actors who had good physiques at one point in time, but were built more for aesthetic purposes than for functional strength. In 1967 Arnold was a world-class bodybuilder near the peak of his athletic prime. As for Stallone in Rocky IV the "rock" in the movie was probably a prop that weighed considerably less than you think meant to be used to film a scene, with probably dozens of takes. Let me affirm this - A 560 lb deadlift (5 45lbs plates a side, plus 2 25's and some change) is not that uncommon. I'm not saying every gym has a 500+ pound deadlifter, but it would not take much searching to find people who can do this.

With regards to Arnold - the excerpt provided by Quartet (talk · contribs) states that the "contestants would grab the steel handle and lift a stone block weighing more than 500 lbs as high as they could". First - Arnold was using a steel handle - lifting a stone block (a block is square) - making this lift very different from simply grabbing an oddly-shaped rock off the ground. The challenge for Arnold was to lift the rock "as high they could". Arnold broke the record. How high did he lift it? We'll have to look for that - but he could have merely moved the stone a few feet or even a few inches to break whatever the existing record was. To say that a well-trained and from other sources, steroid enhanced, young athlete such as Arnold would find it impossible to lift 560 pounds even a short distance is simply an uninformed statement.--Yankees76 18:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree wih you that with the handle, things become a lot easier than when you've to lift it barehand. Arnold is about 188 cm tall, so 2 feet off the ground is not even a full deadlift(previously, I imagined him pulling the rock high in his chest). Plus, with 254 kg stone handle-lifting being probably equivalent to some 320-330 kg deadlift, I think this's quite likely for a 227 kg bencher. The stone lift that I mention is about people lifting stones no-handle and placing them on high platforms, a much harder task. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.147.131 (talk) 06:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree wih you that with the handle, things become a lot easier than when you've to lift it barehand. Arnold is about 188 cm tall, so 2 feet off the ground is not even a full deadlift(previously, I imagined him pulling the rock high in his chest)."

It sounds like you don't understand what a deadlift is. Two feet off the ground is about right. A deadlift involves bending forward, bending the knees, grasping a weight, and returning to a fully upright position. That's it. Even I, the weakest person on the planet, know this.

Illegal Immigrant status

I add a line in the "Moving to America" section that he may have violated the terms of his Visa in the late 60s or early 70s, making him an illegal immigrant at that time. --Darth Borehd (talk) 06:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

One hopes that your assertion is properly sourced and cited and not original research or conjecture. Robert K S (talk) 15:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed it was! Well done. Robert K S (talk) 15:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

copyright activists

I removed the category Category:Copyright activists from Schwarzenegger. The only mention in the article of copyright is that he appeared in a PSA against "copyright piracy". (1) Appearance in a single PSA is not really "activism"; it's more endorsement of a cause. Moreover, appearance in PSAs might be out of sympathy with the cause, but it's not always -- it might be for hire, by court order, or simply a public relations issue. So "appearance in PSAs" is not a good general criteria for the Category:Activists tree. (2) A category is appropriate if it is a defining attribute per categorization policy. For example: When people think of Schwarzenegger, do they think "copyright activist"? Or when people think of copyright activists, do they think "Arnold Schwarzenegger"? If so then that would be defining. Activists are typically defined by full-time or significant work organizing or advocating (as private citizens, not as part of the government) a cause. To my knowledge this is not Arnold, but if anybody has any suggestion to the contrary, please post and we can consider whether the category really does belong. (I note that any category has to have proper sourcing in the article -- so it has to be at least noteworthy enough to be in the article, and a category, like I already said, needs to be a defining attribute -- so it really shouldn't be a mere passing mention in a long article, but would merit a significant chunk of the article.) --Lquilter (talk) 21:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed

Hi, I don't know how to add the 'citation needed' thing to the article, but I think it is definitely needed after "Around this time, Schwarzenegger was prematurely greying and began to dye his hair, afraid of growing old." (in the third paragraph of the section "move to the US") - he may or may not have been afraid of ageing but the simple fact that he was dying his hair doesn't show that so I think a citation is needed otherwise "afraid of growing old" should be deleted. Ollie senter (talk) 13:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Not NPOV

We like these movies --- not neutral POV! 6th day is good for many of us, and this article pans it -- this is opinion, not neutrality AmeliaElizabeth (talk) 06:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How does it pan the movie? It simply states that the movie "failed to recapture his former prominance". Certainly not untruthful - the movie was a relative failure at the box office (opening weekend just over $13 million) and barely turned a profit. It was a far cry from movies like Terminator 2, Total Recall and True Lies.--Yankees76 (talk) 00:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nationality?

MoS guidelines on biographies call for the person's nationality to appear in the lead. Until a December 20, 2007 edit by an IP, [5] Schwarzenegger appeared as "an Austrian-born American". Now it reads "an Austrian-American". I prefer the former as it preserves information while the latter sounds like an ethnicity (like "Italian-American" or "African-American"). Is there any standard convention when it comes to listing nationalities of immigrants? Robert K S (talk) 14:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Quote from the guideline: Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.) This guideline is not very helpful in this case because it can be interpreted in many different ways. Arnold first became famous as a bodybuilder in the 70s and his citizenship was Austrian then. After he was naturalized in 1983 he became famous as an actor and then as a governor etc. This guideline obviously does not cover citizens of multiple domains becoming notable in multiple countries. The last sentence of the guideline: Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. is not applicable in this case. Therefore either Austrian-born American or Austrian-American are equally acceptable. Given however that, in the article, his place of birth is mentioned, it is apparent to the careful reader that he was Austrian-born, therefore it seems redundant to repeat it. I would go with Austrian-American. --Dr.K. (talk) 17:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

By definition, "Austrian-American" is an American of Austrian ancestry. While this is certainly true of Schwarzenegger, and while many other sources indeed refer to him as "Austrian-American", "Austrian-born American" preserves the specificity that he was at one time (still is?) an Austrian national, not just a person of Austrian descent. That's why I said above that "Austrian-American" sounds like an ethnicity (and Wikipedia should try to avoid emphasizing ethnicity except where it is relevant to notability). I agree that careful readers would easily see that Arnold was born in Austria, but per guidelines it's best if the lead is a self-contained encapsulation of the article as a whole, and where we can avoid confusion and preserve the independence of the lead with the addition of a single word, IMHO it is a price well worth it. Robert K S (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. No problem. As far as Arnold still being an Austrian citizen, I wouldn't think so since in order to become American one has to renounce the original nationality. Dr.K. (talk) 22:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I have changed the lead to read Austrian-born American. Incidentally, the U.S. naturalization oath makes the requirement of renunciation of prior nationality that you mention, but there are no laws actually governing such a renunciation. It is quite possible and common for naturalized Americans to retain prior citizenships. (See here.) Robert K S (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It was my pleasure. Also thanks for the citizenship information. I see it is not an enforced requirement, but in Arnold's case, I think it would be politically sensitive to keep the Austrian citizenship given his governorship and any future presidential ambitions (with a suitable constitutional amendment, who knows). Dr.K. (talk) 01:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

One would think, but we shouldn't make an assumption about it in the article without sourcing. Robert K S (talk) 02:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That goes without saying. Original research is to be avoided at all costs. Dr.K. (talk) 02:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that according to the article, he holds dual citizenship. Incidentally, a new article on The Straight Dope web site covers dual U.S.-[other country] citizenship. Robert K S (talk) 07:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I am very surprised. I wouldn't have expected this under any circumstances. Good find. Thank you very much for sharing this. Dr.K. (talk) 13:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Checking the article fact I saw they don't cover the possibility of Arnold relinquishing his Austrian citizenship upon acquiring the US one. I think, if he did, the article entry may be misleading and should be corrected. Dr.K. (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) I guess I answered my own question. Dr.K. (talk) 16:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirect suggestion

I think "arnie" should have a redirect to this article, with a redirect notice for other uses at the top. I would have no doubt that Schwarzenegger is the person most known by the name, and it's sure to be a helpful redirect. Opinions? --Muna (talk) 17:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Order of Precedence at bottom of page

It seems the order of precedence while within California would often have a mayor between Schwarzenegger and Pelosi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.244.85.2 (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

That's only when in a city that has a mayor. In California in general, there is nobody between Schwarzenegger and Pelosi in the order of precedence... I guess you could add a third row titled "when in a city with a mayor". Sancho 05:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Soapboxing

This paragraph from "Personal Life" sounds suspiciously like someone is on a soapbox. I see no point to the latter part.

"Schwarzenegger justified his actions by referring to the fact that his only duty as Governor of California was to prevent an error in the judicial system. "Schwarzenegger has a lot of muscles, but apparently not much heart," said Julien Dray, spokesman for the Socialist Party in France, where the death penalty was abolished in 1981."

172.142.41.8 (talk) 14:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Net Worth

Can we include this in his infobox? It's certainly large enough to warrant the attention. PulpatineFiction (talk) 04:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Weight?

Is it true that Arnold Schwarzenegger is now extremely overweight? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.7.167.219 (talk) 02:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

He's not overweight, but compared to his former body weight, yes, he is a lot heavier205.155.5.4 (talk) 20:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Article and Fact Box Disagree

The article states that Arnold and Maria Shriver have four children, and gives their names.

The fact box at the top of the page indicates he has three children.

I assume the article to be correct?

Cjmr (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

1980 Mr Olympia

There is some controversy over Arnold's role in winning the 1980 Mr Olympia. Some believe that Mike Mentzer should have won. Should this be included? See external links:

• http://www.schwarzenegger.ca/forum/about1431.html
• http://www.mikementzer.com/character.html

--163.1.52.221 (talk) 23:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Batman Films

Is it really necessary to put the Batman Films template at the bottom of the page? Because it really doesn't make sense in the context of the article. Because if it is, then might as well put a Terminator and Predator template. It looks very out of place. DrkBlueXG (talk) 06:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Schwarzenegger

Schwarzenegger means "Black ploughman"[6]. Could this be mentioned in the article? There seem to be a lot of misunderstandings. Piechjo (talk) 12:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Debate Claim

I added the link to the wiki article about Presidential Debates showing that the Nixon/Humphry debate referenced by Gov. Schwarzenegger never took place. Mcas (talk) 17:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

• Use en dashes for date ranges such as "(2003-2007)" which should be "(2003–2007)" per WP:DASH
• Unlink lone years such as in "Katherine (born 1989)" per MOS:UNLINKYEARS
• Format all references per WP:CITE/ES; some are missing publishers, access dates, etc.
• "See also" section goes before "References" per WP:LAYOUT

Gary King (talk) 17:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Seven days have passed without any response, so this article has failed its Good article nomination. Please renominate it when the issues mentioned above have been resolved. Gary King (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Gold's Gym location

Isn't the Gold's Gym where Arnold lifted in Venice and not Santa Monica? Dforest (talk) 22:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Arnold's Height

Citing celebheights.com is a joke of a reference for Arnold's height at the age 23 and is all based on hearsay to come up with the height. Unless someone can point to a more reliable source, I think his height (5'-9) should be removed.

Arnolds height is currently listed at 6'4". According to: http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/help/index.asp#0

his height at peak was 6'2" or 1.88 meters. Caddie2008 (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

While celebheights.com may not be the most accurate, it does have photographs of him with others. One from the 1990s shows him as about 6' in the 1990s.

Business career

Is it not true that he also started his own gym at some point, most likely at a time between that he won the title and his later acting career. I think i've heared something about this, but can not find any mention of this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.74.23 (talk) 20:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

President Schwarzenegger

"Indeed, in The Simpsons Movie, Schwarzenegger is portrayed as the President and in the Sylvester Stallone movie Demolition Man, it is revealed there was an amendment to the constitution that allowed him to become President"

I don't think "Indeed" is the right choice of words here. Better: "Fiction has mused on the idea of a 'President Schwarzenegger', for example...." --83.76.161.171 (talk) 00:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Also in the TV series Jack and Bobby they say that Arnold was President before Bobby McCalister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.21.214.232 (talk) 21:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Govenator

lol, I like how Govenator redirects here, epic.--4.244.33.25 (talk) 01:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Even though you're an anonymous stranger on the internet, it made me a little sad to read that you find that tiny joke 'epic'. Ben Hur, it's not. Also, it's 'goveRnator' 99.164.68.102 (talk) 08:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I prefer "Conan the Governarian" myself. --Darth Borehd (talk) 04:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Arnold Schwarzenegger and State Budget Struggles

http://jconners.newsvine.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeHamilton1 (talk • contribs) 08:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hitler accusations

I find the section on accusations of Schwarzenegger admiring Hitler disturbing. The only source given for it is the NY Times article, which clearly indicates such accusations are highly misleading. For now, I at least fixed the passage by including the facts that Butler's own research indicates his book proposal was flawed and that Schwarzenegger only said he admired Hitler's talents, not his actions.

According to the same article, Schwarzenegger has had this type of allegation arise before, presumably because he grew up in Austria with his father being in the Nazi party. Given that there seems to be little to no evidence for this kind of rumor, I think removal of all this stuff ought to be seriously considered. These are big accusations. We are basically accusing Schwarzenegger of being a Nazi. This is a textbook BLP case. There needs to be good sources before we plaster his bio with this content. And the only source there is right now says he isn't a Nazi. Should we be giving such scurrilous rumors such prominence here? --C S (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, and while C S's edit is an improvement, unless someone has evidence that such accusations are sufficiently frequent/notable in his career (I'm not aware that they are), I think it should be removed. Besides, the section is labeled "personal misconduct", which is an odd way to label a suggestion of Nazi sympathies. I'm going to remove the paragraph for now. CAVincent (talk) 23:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Father's Nazi connections

I recall from reading elsewhere that Schwarzenegger's father was either a Nazi party member or had some similar close connection. I'm not saying this to cast aspersions on Schwarzenegger, who has certainly done a good job of publicly distancing himself from any of those ideas.

But it's on record that his father had such associations, and it's curious that all mention of this has been removed from the article. I expect that there was some recent edit war where Schwarzenegger was accused of being a Nazi and as a result any mention of Nazi stuff (even true if not about him) was removed.

This should be restored, if for no other reason than because it makes the mention of Schwarzenegger contacting the Weisenthal Center odd and unexplained. --Saforrest (talk) 20:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he was a member of the Nazi Party and the SA as well. I suspect you are correct about how that fact ended up missing. It's something that should not be given undue weight but deserves mention, particularly in the context of Schwarzenegger's strong support for the Weisenthal Center over the years (whatever one thinks of Arnold, nazi allegations are ridiculous). I added a passing mention which I think should suffice. Good catch. CAVincent (talk) 23:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

How do these two things connect? (Schwarzenegger's support for the Wiesenthal Center and his father's past). Dr.K. (talk) 23:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I see. Reading the article the connection becomes apparent. Please disregard this query. Dr.K. (talk) 23:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

you semiprotected this with vandalism still inside....

Arnold Alois Schwarzenigger (German IPA: [ˌaɐnɔlt aloʏs ˈʃvaɐtsənɛɡɐ]; born July 30, 1947) is an Austrian-American pansy, actress, businesswoman, and pussy, currently serving as the 38th Governor of the state of California.

WTF? removing Unibod edit!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Akinkhoo (talk) 23:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Language

When his films are dubbed into German, is it Arnold who dubs his own voice? It would make sense, seeing as he can speak it fluently... Does anyone know if he does still speak German in his day to day life? 80.41.11.177 (talk) 12:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

My first German teacher claimed that his German has become accented like an American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.52.3.160 (talk) 17:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if he still speaks German in his day to day life, but he does not dub his own voice in the German versions of his movies. However, that is not because his German has become American-accented, but because it has always been Styrian-accented. His accent sounds ludicrously hillbillyish to Germans; they'd never be able to accept him in serious roles because he sounds like such a country bumpkin. +Angr 16:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

T:TSCC "Self Made Man"

So... does the fact that the Terminator TV show assassinated the Governor of California make mention here, or is it too trivial? 76.66.194.58 (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Or the fact that he was named one of Time 100 people... a T-100!! -- Emana (Talk) 21:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

He didn't modify his Hummer all by himself.

"Schwarzenegger has adapted one of his Hummers to run on hydrogen and another to run on biofuels." should read ""Schwarzenegger has had one of his Hummers adapted to run on hydrogen and another to run on biofuels by SAE Energy." or something similar. The point is that the article as it reads now makes it sound like he was in a garage doing the modifications himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.112.211 (talk) 05:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Becoming a Republican

Did Scwarzenegger ever speak about his conversion to Republicanism in the 36 years before 2004? The Four Deuces (talk) 05:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Help

when did arnold s.(the terminator) become a citizen?

                                               63.3.18.130 (talk) 21:06, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Why is it...

The lead image in soooo many articles about certain politicians are changed on a near daily basis?!? Stop it! Misortie (talk) 20:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Spelling

Since the page is locked, I'll just add this to the discussion and let someone with access fix it: Why, in the section on Schwarzenegger's early life, is his soccer coach referred to as his futbol coach? I understand using the language that most pertains to the subject, but he's not from Spain. In the U.S. it's "soccer"; in many other English speaking countries it's "football"; in his native Austria it's "fussball."

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.57.178 (talk) 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Affected Accent

Shouldn't this article include a section on Arnold's accent, which is now to some degree affected? It's a notable subject, considering it's common reference in popular media. Arnold receives vocal coaching to maintain his trademark accent, it seems like this information should be highlighted in the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.83.248.2 (talk) 11:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Got any nice shiny reliable sources to back this up?--AodhanTheCelticJew (talk) 18:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

His Illness

keep hearing rumours that he's taking time of lately as he's ill but won't confirm it or what is wrong with him... can anyone elaborate on this? and should this be mentioned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.96.120 (talk) 12:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC) 

Yeah, I heard something about that too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1tomh1 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Sycophantical

This is one of the most ass-kissing articles I have found on Wikipedia, which says a lot. DFS (talk) 10:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Why not edit it to make it less so? -GTBacchus^(talk) 14:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Arnold's true height?

Listing Arnold as being 6'-1.5" in this article floored me. I met the fellow two years ago. I doubt he is over 6', and probably more like 5'-10". Actually, he seemed even shorter than that. The occasion was his entering the Ralph Lauren Polo Store in San Francisco. I had expected him to be rather tall. Who knew? Can we find his California Driver's License or other confirming stats? Clearly, 6'-1" is undocumented. It is in the beginning of the film Pumping Iron. Lists him as being 6'2", 245 lbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Renglish (talk • contribs) 15:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/governor-arnold-schwarzenegger.jpg The current picture is garbage. There must be a way to change it to be more respectable

Arnold's Political Affiliation

The page currently lists Arnold Schwarzenegger's affiliation as Democrat rather than Republican. This is likely vandalism and needs to be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.134.142 (talk) 09:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Austrian American

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Please change "[[Austrian American]]" to "[[Austria]]n [[United States|American]]" as the nationality description in the lede.

The article makes explicit that Schwartzenegger is a dual national and nationality is normally mentioned in the lede so the displayed phrase "Austrian American" is correct. However the wikilinked "Austrian American" goes to an article that defines the term as being "Americans of Austrian descent", which is an ethnicity description, not a nationality description. This change is solely for the benefit of providing the correct wikilinks, visible text does not change. --97.112.131.23 (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done Good observation! --Srinivas 06:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The article originally linked to, before the change, still pictures Schwartzenegger. 72.38.32.223 (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Steroid use

Where are the citations for this information in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.29.207 (talk) 17:58, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Education / Degree

Why no mention?

University of Wisconsin-Superior

Bachelor's in November 1979 formally awarded to him at a May 1980 commencement

International Business and International Economics

Honorary doctorate for his work with Special Olympics and the Inner City Games, 1996

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/22/entertainment/et-bates22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.28.124 (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

add Heroes of the Environment (2008) listing

add Heroes of the Environment (2008) listing 99.54.137.25 (talk) 05:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

List Of Films

Around the World in 80 Days (2004)

Batman & Robin (1997)

Beretta's Island (1994)

Collateral Damage (2002)

Commando (1985)

Conan the Barbarian (1982)

Conan the Destroyer (1984)

Dave (1993)

End of Days (1999)

Eraser (1996)

Feed (1992)

Hercules Goes Bananas (1970)

Hercules in New York (1970)

Jingle All the Way (1996)

Junior (1994)

Kindergarten Cop (1990)

Predator (1987)

Raw Deal (1986)

Red Heat (1988)

Red Sonja (1985)

Stay Hungry (1976)

Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)

The 6th Day (2000)

The Jayne Mansfield Story (1980)

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohan raj 1 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

add Heroes of the Environment (2008)

add Heroes of the Environment (2008) 99.54.137.216 (talk) 23:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Why? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 23:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1841778_1841779_1841796,00.html

171.64.242.199 (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuck You Letter

Several issues:

1) That section completely fails to mention in the slightest what Arnold's letter was about.

2) The sentence "Though the governor was a prominent member of the Republican party he had been invited by the organizers." requires a comma after "party." Also the fact that he was invited by the organizers seems to be included as if it were a trivial fact (although I recognize that this point is debatable).

3) Also Ammiano comment out of context strongly suggests that Arnold is against gay rights/marriage despite this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV5B2t9uh5k .

4) Shouldn't this be moved to the Political_career_of_Arnold_Schwarzenegger article? This incident is hardly more important than many of the events in there.

171.64.242.199 (talk) 20:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Tributes?

I think it is worth mentioning the several tribute rock bands that there are to arnold. If there were only one then i could see it as negligible, but there are a few (such as ArnoCorps and Austrian Death Machine.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.111.17 (talk) 02:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Add Climate change in California: http://www.google.com/landing/cop15/ and http://www.climatechange.ca.gov/adaptation/ per the Governor.

Add Climate change in California: http://www.google.com/landing/cop15/ and http://www.climatechange.ca.gov/adaptation/ per the Governor. 99.60.127.71 (talk) 03:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)ßðþþþþþţþoþţţţ

"Fuck You" veto letter

I've WP:BOLDly removed this section because it gives undue weight to an extremely trivial event, is largely based on speculation, and contained unsourced BLP violations. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree that, if at all, it should be placed in the Political_career_of_Arnold_Schwarzenegger article, not in the main article. DFS (talk) 20:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The sentence `He won another bodybuilding contest in Graz, at Steirer Hof Hotel (where he had placed second).'

The sentence `He won another bodybuilding contest in Graz, at Steirer Hof Hotel (where he had placed second).' should be clarified as it seems to say that he both won and came second. It would be helpful if it stated when he placed second or the statement in parenthesis was removed. Jmichayls (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong reference

In the politics section it says "According to the 2005 Year-in-Review issue of Time magazine, supporters of Schwarzenegger are hoping to amend the Constitution so that he can run for President of the United States", but then gives a 2004 reference that isn't Time and doesn't support that statement. Can someone fix this broken sourcing? Ryan Paddy (talk) 03:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

This is still broken. Anyone have the Time reference in question? Ryan Paddy (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The Expendables

It is obvious that no one put informations about the newest Arnie action flick - The Expendables - with Stallone and Willis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.29.235.2 (talk) 12:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Arnold Is in the trailer for the expendables here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv4PfF2ys-4 he is listed as a cast member on IMDB here: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0186713/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.224.89 (talk) 03:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Poor Selection of pictures?

There are 11 pictures on his page, but none from his acting or bodybuilding career. As he's certainly more famous in an international stage for these things, this seems a major oversight. I'm reluctant to fix this myself but now it's been pointed out, I'm sure some Arnie fan could fix it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.75.52 (talk) 04:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Bodybuilding Picture

As mentioned before I feel that a picture from Arnold's Bodybuilding career is needed and would add to the page. After running a creative commons search on flickr I found the following picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/d_vdm/522136774/sizes/l/ which I feel should be added to the article under the 'Bodybuilding Career' section. Daniel5390 (talk) 18:23, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Height?

Arnold Schwarzenegger claims that his height is 6' 2" (1.88 m) There has been much speculation on this subject, one opinion would be to say that he lied about his height, which I have to say is becoming more of a fact looking at this photograph of Mr. Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone- http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/Xgg3ePLvBBs/ARNOLD+SCHWARZENEGGER+SYLVESTER+STALLONE+Best/EahEFivbbmU Sylvester Stallone stands at 5' 9½" (1.77 m) and by looks of it Arnold is barely taller than Mr. Stallone. The-do-right-man 15:58

That's original research, and anyway it depends which picture you chose to link to. ;) Ryan Paddy (talk) 01:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Promotional Nonsense

This article has POV problems. It reads like a promotional leaflet for Mr Schwarzenegger. He has plenty of concrete achievements without so many self-references being used to indicate his motivations after the fact.

Some of the material is just nonsensical:

the governor sustained a minor injury to his lip, forcing him to get 15 stitches.

The object of this sentence seems to be to make Arnold Schwarzenegger appear specially tough. It is a contradiction in terms - 15 stitches is a serious injury to sustain in the lip, (in a 'low-speed collision').

There is far too much material on the governor's height, and maybe not enough detail on his politics. I can't help with that area. Centrepull (talk) 06:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but this is Arnold Schwarzenegger. He could take 50 stitches in the lip with no difficulty at all! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.115.126 (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The Gropenator

I believe that, during his election campaign the amount of groping Schwarzenegger did, lead to him being given this name. Could somebody please cite it.--Cymbelmineer (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Degrees

Are honorary degrees notable? He has a D.H.L.[7] from the University of Wisconsin–Superior, a D.H.L. [8] from Chapman University, a D.B.A. [9] from IMADEC University, D.H.L. [10] from USC and a J.D. [11] degree from Emory University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.215.167.197 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Prank calls

i think Arnold's 4th carreer as of lately, namely as the notorious prank call voice, should sooner or later also get mentioned in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.83.228 (talk) 03:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree here. Arnold's prank calls are legendary, with Realm of Darkness giving a separate link specifically to Arnold's calls along the top of its website, with a link to the rest of the soundboard calls. Arnold is the most commonly used soundboard no matter what source you use. 117.4.223.228 (talk) 09:49, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

There should be a Schwarzenegger template

The guy has done a lot of things. There should be a template constructed. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I second that one. ~~ The Quote Buff ^talk 07:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

Just thought I would pass along the fact that the original Gold's Gym was on the East side of Pacific Ave. between Horizon & San Juan avenues in Venice,CA. The new Gold's is in Santa Monica just off Main St. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.34.153 (talk) 20:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} Quite simple. The article states that he is 62 when he isn't; he's 63. His birthday is today.--212.139.213.178 (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

No need to act, it's now been corrected (those things are done automatically). Salvio ^{Let's talk 'bout it!} 19:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Post governor career?

The Governator's term is coming to a close in a few short months. Has he made plans for what he's going to do next? More politics or back to acting, or total retirement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.64.64 (talk) 18:21, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The guy is in a movie coming out this Friday, while he's still governor. I guess we know what's more important than governing a state in shambles. Kochamanita (talk) 05:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

He had a small cameo role. I doubt he spent a whole day on the project. As much as I hate the guy, I can't find any fault in what he did there. His term will end in about three months. What are his plans after that? He can't run for President and probably wouldn't win even if he could. Is he going back into acting? Running for senator? Retiring?173.58.64.64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC).

What a loser rino. He came to terminate the budget and doubled it. Now he's bailing. rino=loser —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.78.119 (talk) 06:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The election is over (Jerry Brown won) and he has just about two months left in office. Has he said what his plans are after leaving office in January?173.58.64.64 (talk)

Arnie will be out of office in a little over an hour. What is he going to do next? More movies?173.58.53.212 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC).

Actor infobox

Should "Arnie" be removed from the actor infobox? I know he is casually referred to as Arnie, but has he ever been billed as such in any film or television appearance? Brendanmccabe (talk) 18:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Could Schwarzenegger's heart valve issue be related to his physical training as bodybuilder?

It may sound too speculative, but in the case of other celebrities a possible cause of heath problems is frequently suggested. For instance, heavy smoking is suggested as the likely cause of the lung cancer in the case of Yul Brynner. Are there any epidemiological studies or any other reliable clinical/medical research relating intensive, long-lasting bodybuilding with some kind of heart disorder later in life? A heart valve degeneration is a relative rare condition in the general population, even more at age 50. I think it should be mentioned in the section medical issues in case of some evidence or statistical correlation. Such information may help current and future bodybuilders be more cautious with their training and work under cardiological supervision. Heathmoor (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Additions of this nature would have to be extremely well sourced. Brynner himself said his cancer was the result of smoking - Arnold has made no such statements about bodybuilding and his heart condition. --Yankees76 ^Talk 21:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Improper redirect

A “Governator” is a piece of equipment from electricity generation. I’m not sure exactly what it is or what it does (that’s kinda why I was looking), but the word just re-directs here instead. 174.25.8.116 (talk) 19:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)A REDDSON

Trivia, foodstuff

He even has his own Burger/Sandwich named after him in the meantime Arnold Schwarzenegger Burger.

www.foodgeeks.com/recipes/18396, (in German: www.rezeptewiki.org/wiki/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Burger)-- 178.114.242.81 (talk) 19:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

What an achievement. I could name a burger after my dead cat. -Koppapa (talk) 13:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Height

I had a conversation with Arnie when the World Weightlifing championships were held in Columbus Ohio in conjunction with the Mr Universe Body building (only in America!) This was 1970 and I was 16 and a British Junior Weightlifting champion and around my current height, 5'11" or 180 cm. I was taller than Arnie, but this was pre Hollywood and lifts in his shoes. He must have grown from a then 5'9" or max 5'10" to a claimed 6'1 or 2" in his 30's, a rare growth spurt!

Pete Mason Newark, UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.68.250 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I believe you may be right. During the celebration of the 1992 Summer Olympics Arnold Schwarzenegger visited the gym in which the United States basketball team were training, the original Dream Team (the first American Olympic team to feature active NBA players). My mother worked there and could see him with ease at a distance of 2 to 3 meters. According to her estimation, he was more or less 1.80 meters tall (5'11"). She also described him as being red haired and full with freckles. Heathmoor (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no way that Arnold Schwarzenegger is 6' 2"! In films, yes. But in interviews etc., I think not - he's more like 5' 8" or 5' 10", not 6' 2". He can't be that tall. Bob Mulholland even said that he wore really thick elevator shoes. 121.215.147.196 (talk) 01:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Arnie's brother?

My japanese teacher claims to be arnie's brother (He does talk like him, and says stuff like "must kill students must kill students" and "I'll make you constipated for a year")... Does anyone have any information on brothers of Arnold Schwarzenegger teaching japanese at wellington high school in New Zealand?

Aparrently they don't get along well, and Arnie "doesn't give a toss about him". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.89.154.250 (talk) 22:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone prove or disprove this?173.58.64.64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC).

Your teacher's fucking with you. Seriously. 76.19.4.2 (talk) 03:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

If you believed that then, sorry to say, you've gotta be mental. Jackass2009 (talk) 03:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Schwarzenegger's only sibling was his maternal half-brother Meinhard, who died in 1971. Jim Michael (talk) 20:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Leftist agenda, as usual in wp...

i see that you have allowed the same old leftist agenda in his political section...how pathetic...i'm sure if someone like Clint Eastwood entered politics as something more than just a mayor there'd be the same old shills on here slanting everything...wp is a joke... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.57.236.19 (talk) 20:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

"As a Republican, he was first elected on October 7, 2003, in a special recall election (referred to in Schwarzenegger campaign propaganda as a 'Total Recall')" Whatever the agenda, I think it would be better not to use the word "propaganda".

Simpsons movie

Error in article: "In The Simpsons Movie (2007), Rainier Wolfcastle is portrayed as the President" The nameplate clearly states "President Schwarzenegger." Nwebster84 (talk) 07:40, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Governorship

I guess this article isn't actively maintained. I suspect this POV-ish section might have been the "leftist" stuff the IP was referring to above. Anyway, I mainly came here to say I think the governorship should be split up somehow but I don't know how to do it. Dabnag (talk) 06:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Net worth - cost of politics

Arnold Schwarzenegger says being governor of California cost him $200 million, but "it was more than worth it." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.58.200 (talk) 19:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

worst gov references

OK, there are 4 "references" linked next to this comment about him being on this list, the first #58 just says "press release," and links to nothing; the next two, #59 and 60 are articles focusing on a completely different gov, and only talking about him in passing. The only reference that is necessary here is #61, to the actual list. The others are absolutely useless and/or inappropriate so someone needs to removed them, since this page is protected. And for futre reference, piling on the references doesn't make something more true. One good one is enough, you don't need 1 useless one and 2 inappropriate ones to drive home the point. 173.26.55.148 (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2011 (UTC)miah

I think the benefit in leaving these in the article is that by having other reliable secondary sources reporting on it helps to establish the notability of the original report. That said the one that just says "press release" needs to go. SQGibbon (talk) 04:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

The Gropenator

I believe that, during his election campaign the amount of groping Schwarzenegger did, lead to him being given this name. Could somebody please cite it.--Cymbelmineer (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Degrees

Are honorary degrees notable? He has a D.H.L.[12] from the University of Wisconsin–Superior, a D.H.L. [13] from Chapman University, a D.B.A. [14] from IMADEC University, D.H.L. [15] from USC and a J.D. [16] degree from Emory University. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.215.167.197 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Prank calls

i think Arnold's 4th carreer as of lately, namely as the notorious prank call voice, should sooner or later also get mentioned in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.83.228 (talk) 03:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree here. Arnold's prank calls are legendary, with Realm of Darkness giving a separate link specifically to Arnold's calls along the top of its website, with a link to the rest of the soundboard calls. Arnold is the most commonly used soundboard no matter what source you use. 117.4.223.228 (talk) 09:49, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

There should be a Schwarzenegger template

The guy has done a lot of things. There should be a template constructed. 161.185.151.150 (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I second that one. ~~ The Quote Buff ^talk 07:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

Just thought I would pass along the fact that the original Gold's Gym was on the East side of Pacific Ave. between Horizon & San Juan avenues in Venice,CA. The new Gold's is in Santa Monica just off Main St. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.34.153 (talk) 20:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} Quite simple. The article states that he is 62 when he isn't; he's 63. His birthday is today.--212.139.213.178 (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

No need to act, it's now been corrected (those things are done automatically). Salvio ^{Let's talk 'bout it!} 19:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Post governor career?

The Governator's term is coming to a close in a few short months. Has he made plans for what he's going to do next? More politics or back to acting, or total retirement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.64.64 (talk) 18:21, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The guy is in a movie coming out this Friday, while he's still governor. I guess we know what's more important than governing a state in shambles. Kochamanita (talk) 05:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

He had a small cameo role. I doubt he spent a whole day on the project. As much as I hate the guy, I can't find any fault in what he did there. His term will end in about three months. What are his plans after that? He can't run for President and probably wouldn't win even if he could. Is he going back into acting? Running for senator? Retiring?173.58.64.64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC).

What a loser rino. He came to terminate the budget and doubled it. Now he's bailing. rino=loser —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.78.119 (talk) 06:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The election is over (Jerry Brown won) and he has just about two months left in office. Has he said what his plans are after leaving office in January?173.58.64.64 (talk)

Arnie will be out of office in a little over an hour. What is he going to do next? More movies?173.58.53.212 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC).

Actor infobox

Should "Arnie" be removed from the actor infobox? I know he is casually referred to as Arnie, but has he ever been billed as such in any film or television appearance? Brendanmccabe (talk) 18:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Could Schwarzenegger's heart valve issue be related to his physical training as bodybuilder?

It may sound too speculative, but in the case of other celebrities a possible cause of heath problems is frequently suggested. For instance, heavy smoking is suggested as the likely cause of the lung cancer in the case of Yul Brynner. Are there any epidemiological studies or any other reliable clinical/medical research relating intensive, long-lasting bodybuilding with some kind of heart disorder later in life? A heart valve degeneration is a relative rare condition in the general population, even more at age 50. I think it should be mentioned in the section medical issues in case of some evidence or statistical correlation. Such information may help current and future bodybuilders be more cautious with their training and work under cardiological supervision. Heathmoor (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Additions of this nature would have to be extremely well sourced. Brynner himself said his cancer was the result of smoking - Arnold has made no such statements about bodybuilding and his heart condition. --Yankees76 ^Talk 21:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Improper redirect

A “Governator” is a piece of equipment from electricity generation. I’m not sure exactly what it is or what it does (that’s kinda why I was looking), but the word just re-directs here instead. 174.25.8.116 (talk) 19:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)A REDDSON

Trivia, foodstuff

He even has his own Burger/Sandwich named after him in the meantime Arnold Schwarzenegger Burger.

www.foodgeeks.com/recipes/18396, (in German: www.rezeptewiki.org/wiki/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Burger)-- 178.114.242.81 (talk) 19:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

What an achievement. I could name a burger after my dead cat. -Koppapa (talk) 13:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Height

I had a conversation with Arnie when the World Weightlifing championships were held in Columbus Ohio in conjunction with the Mr Universe Body building (only in America!) This was 1970 and I was 16 and a British Junior Weightlifting champion and around my current height, 5'11" or 180 cm. I was taller than Arnie, but this was pre Hollywood and lifts in his shoes. He must have grown from a then 5'9" or max 5'10" to a claimed 6'1 or 2" in his 30's, a rare growth spurt!

Pete Mason Newark, UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.68.250 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I believe you may be right. During the celebration of the 1992 Summer Olympics Arnold Schwarzenegger visited the gym in which the United States basketball team were training, the original Dream Team (the first American Olympic team to feature active NBA players). My mother worked there and could see him with ease at a distance of 2 to 3 meters. According to her estimation, he was more or less 1.80 meters tall (5'11"). She also described him as being red haired and full with freckles. Heathmoor (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no way that Arnold Schwarzenegger is 6' 2"! In films, yes. But in interviews etc., I think not - he's more like 5' 8" or 5' 10", not 6' 2". He can't be that tall. Bob Mulholland even said that he wore really thick elevator shoes. 121.215.147.196 (talk) 01:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Arnie's brother?

My japanese teacher claims to be arnie's brother (He does talk like him, and says stuff like "must kill students must kill students" and "I'll make you constipated for a year")... Does anyone have any information on brothers of Arnold Schwarzenegger teaching japanese at wellington high school in New Zealand?

Aparrently they don't get along well, and Arnie "doesn't give a toss about him". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.89.154.250 (talk) 22:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone prove or disprove this?173.58.64.64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC).

Your teacher's fucking with you. Seriously. 76.19.4.2 (talk) 03:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

If you believed that then, sorry to say, you've gotta be mental. Jackass2009 (talk) 03:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Schwarzenegger's only sibling was his maternal half-brother Meinhard, who died in 1971. Jim Michael (talk) 20:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Leftist agenda, as usual in wp...

i see that you have allowed the same old leftist agenda in his political section...how pathetic...i'm sure if someone like Clint Eastwood entered politics as something more than just a mayor there'd be the same old shills on here slanting everything...wp is a joke... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.57.236.19 (talk) 20:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

"As a Republican, he was first elected on October 7, 2003, in a special recall election (referred to in Schwarzenegger campaign propaganda as a 'Total Recall')" Whatever the agenda, I think it would be better not to use the word "propaganda".

Simpsons movie

Error in article: "In The Simpsons Movie (2007), Rainier Wolfcastle is portrayed as the President" The nameplate clearly states "President Schwarzenegger." Nwebster84 (talk) 07:40, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Governorship

I guess this article isn't actively maintained. I suspect this POV-ish section might have been the "leftist" stuff the IP was referring to above. Anyway, I mainly came here to say I think the governorship should be split up somehow but I don't know how to do it. Dabnag (talk) 06:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Net worth - cost of politics

Arnold Schwarzenegger says being governor of California cost him $200 million, but "it was more than worth it." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.58.200 (talk) 19:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

worst gov references

OK, there are 4 "references" linked next to this comment about him being on this list, the first #58 just says "press release," and links to nothing; the next two, #59 and 60 are articles focusing on a completely different gov, and only talking about him in passing. The only reference that is necessary here is #61, to the actual list. The others are absolutely useless and/or inappropriate so someone needs to removed them, since this page is protected. And for futre reference, piling on the references doesn't make something more true. One good one is enough, you don't need 1 useless one and 2 inappropriate ones to drive home the point. 173.26.55.148 (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2011 (UTC)miah

I think the benefit in leaving these in the article is that by having other reliable secondary sources reporting on it helps to establish the notability of the original report. That said the one that just says "press release" needs to go. SQGibbon (talk) 04:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Olympia

There are two different ages on here when he first won the title. The summary says 22, then I see one in move to USA 23. Which one is it?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.8 (talk) 20:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request - nationality in lede looks like an ethnicity and wikilinks to ethnicity article.

Change Austrian-American to Austrian/American in lede.

184.99.12.76 (talk) 20:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

The slash looks awkward. I'm going to change it to "Austrian-born American" for clarity. GRAPPLE X 21:45, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

That is misleading - he is a dual national and still has Austrian citizenship. Your phrasing makes it look like he renounced his Austrian citizenship, which he did not do as per article content. Perhaps replace the slash with an "and" to be more accurate - "Austrian and American". See also Talk:Arnold_Schwarzenegger/Archive_4#Nationality.3F and Talk:Arnold_Schwarzenegger/Archive_4#Austrian_American 184.99.12.76 (talk) 03:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

the norm is generally to have the dash between the two nationalities.Monkeymanman (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Changed to "Austrian and American". Dual citizenship and where he's born can be addressed elsewhere in the article. — Bility (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Fcheath2k, 31 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change (under the Accidents and Injuries Section) "Schwarzenegger, who famously rode motorcycles in the Terminator movies, has never obtained an M-1 or M-2 endorsement on his California driver's license that would allow him to legally ride a motorcycle without a sidecar on the street." to "Schwarzenegger, who famously rode motorcycles in the Terminator movies, obtained his M-1 endorsement on his California driver's license on July 3rd, 2006 which allowed him to legally ride a motorcycle without having to use a sidecar on the street."

Refernces: 1) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/us/07arnold.html?_r=1&oref=slogin 2) http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/07072006095040MWEB88.htm Fcheath2k (talk) 02:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Partly done: I added the sentence, although I simplified it (the "famously rode..." part doesn't seem appropriate in tone to me, almost POV) and moved it to the end of the paragraph. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Partly done: Is there some reason the accidents and injuries section is not in chronological order? I would recommend a minor reorganization so it goes from 1990s to present.Eperotao (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC) Re-organized chronologically. May need some editing. — DocOfSoc • Talk • 19:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Drghs3, 10 May 2011

Please add this paragraph between the next to last and last paragraphs of the Allegations of sexual and personal misconduct section

Arnold's alleged harassment victims also include a female employee of KTLA Los Angeles, who was conducting an interview for nationally syndicated entertainment reporter Sam Rubin. The woman, who was harassed during an interview in the run up to the 2003 gubernatorial election, told a friend "I am no feminist, but I felt violated after than interview." The victim was poised to tell the LA Times reporter who broke the story of the other harassments, but found out she was pregnant. She and her husband decided they didn't want her handling the stress controversy during her pregnancy, and kept the matter secret. Drghs3 (talk) 18:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

is there a ref to go with your request? Monkeymanman (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Without a reference there is no way this could be included. --John (talk) 18:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 17 May 2011

In the Family section, there is a reference to where the Schwarzeneggers lived. It says "Until the events of May 9", and this presumably refers to their separating. The year for that is 2011, but the year needs to be provided. 128.63.16.82 (talk) 16:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Done Kinaro^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Names of household employee and child

See "Should Publications Reveal the Names of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Former Mistress and Lovechild?" User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised no one here has tried to make a separate article for the woman yet. Tarc (talk) 18:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

As her only notability is in connection to Schwarzenegger, I've just made her name a redirect to the appropriate section of this article. Jtropp1 (talk) 00:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 18 May 2011

"Marriage and family" notes the wedding (Arnold Schwarzenegger & Maria Shriver) being performed by "Archbishop John Baptist Riordan". How does it arrive at "Archbishop"? I could only find "Rev." regarding John Baptist Riordan, so probably should remove "Archbishop" (along with the brackets) and substitute "Rev.". 128.63.16.82 (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.236.16.197, 18 May 2011

This section used to say that his marriage had been "terminated" which is both a perfectly acceptable description of a divorce (at the moment wikipedia defines divorce as "Divorce (or the dissolution of marriage) is the final termination of a marital union"), and a humorous pun based on one of his movies.

Recently user Nymph edited this section to say the marriage "ended", which is both a less valid description based on wikipedia's own definition and completely removes the humour.

I request that Nymph's edit be reverted. 99.236.16.197 (talk) 19:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

No, we're here to write an encyclopedia, not pat ourselves in the back for creating pop culture bon mots. Tarc (talk) 21:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

It seems you're opposed to the word solely because it's humorous, we should search for similar articles to see whether there is a basis for using "terminated" as a description, if there is, it should apply here as well. Drsmoo (talk) 00:55, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

They are still married, they are separated, so we need to find a better word. Technically, they will, AS Catholics, they will still be married until Maria gets an annulment in the Catholic Church. Terminated is actually the better word. — DocOfSoc • Talk • 01:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

"Ended" is simpler and less clever.   Will Beback  talk  01:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Everyone needs to remember that the marriage and the family still exist. Countless couples have been reconciled after separations. We are a tertiary source and should not get ahead of the reporting or the facts. This article in particular needs to be written conservatively, as it effects many living people, including children.   Will Beback  talk  02:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: I do not see a valid reason to apply the edit, though if another user feels it necessary, please be my guest. Humor is not encyclopedic, and the alteration of a single word is comparatively insignificant to the article as a whole. Kinaro^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, "terminate" is not the joke. User:Fred Bauder Talk 03:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

It's moot as the overall text has been re-written.   Will Beback  talk  04:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Please link Cry Macho

Please add brackets around "Cry Macho" in the article to link it to Cry Macho. Keithready (talk) 13:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Be glad to. Which heading is it under? — DocOfSoc • Talk • 13:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. GRAPPLE X 14:16, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 19 May 2011

I now see "T he Rev. John Baptist Riordan" after having (yesterday) suggested use of "Rev.". But in the first word, please reverse the T and the now-embedded blank, because a blank space is needed just after end of previous sentence.

Dear Wiki friend, I fixed the page per your request:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arnold_Schwarzenegger&action=historysubmit&diff=429888429&oldid=429885907

Thanks! --Inetpuppy (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

128.63.16.82 (talk) 14:26, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 19 May 2011

OK, we see this early on in the Wikipedia entry "In 2011 it was revealed that he had fathered a son ten years earlier with an employee" We can be a little more specific, because we know the child is about 13, not 10. 128.63.16.82 (talk) 20:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Already done. Kinaro^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Query ? Arnold Vin Vill Voo Be Back ?

Can you add to the article the timing of Arnold's movie releases, as we wonder when will (vin vill) the Arnold be back ? fan 109 g 69.121.221.97 (talk) 04:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC) ... Term lev madz alone !

Edit request

The Governor of California section has a reference to the movie Demolition Man and has a note that a citation is needed. The relevant quote can be found here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106697/quotes?qt=qt0412476 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.134.197.172 (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Christmas 1996, New Years 1997 and McCall's January 1997

Nine months prior to Christopher's birth was Christmas (?) 1996 and nine months prior to Joseph Baena's birth was New Years (?) 1997. The January 1997 (Volume 124) issue of McCall's monthly American women's magazine had an article entitled "Mr. Softie. A. Schwarzenegger's Christmas" by Sheryl Kahn, where Schwarzenegger describes his family life and how he spent Christmas 1996 with his family. That McCall's article might have good information to add to the personal life section of the article. -- Keithready (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article now mentions that in June 1997, Schwarzenegger spent $38 million of his own money on a private Gulfstream Jet, "Schwarzenegger opted in 1997 for a replacement heart valve made of his own transplanted tissue." However, other articles more particularly talk about what was going on with Schwarzenegger during the Christmas 1996-New Years 1997 season. Arnold paid $772,500 on 12/29 for JFK's Golf bag and set of woods as a Christmas gift for Maria. The Schwarzeneggers just purchased their 18,000-square-foot, $11,000,000 Lake Creek Dr. home in Sun Valley, Idaho. The family Christmas movie Jingle All the Way came out, where Schwarzenegger plays a high-powered businessman who spends Christmas Eve scrambling to get his movie son an impossible-to-find Turbo Man action figure. Schwarzenegger played Santa Clause for children at the Hollenbeck Youth Center in Los Angeles, which lost 3,500 donated toys from its warehouse to thieves. The Schwarzeneggers attended the premiere of the movie, "One Fine Day" together. If any of this might be good for the personal life section, please add it to the article. -- Keithready (talk) 13:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

This man is NOT an Austrian-American

He was born and raised in Austria to Austrian parents. He became a US Citizen. If he was born in America to Austrian parents who were immigrants or of Austrian descent THEN he would be an Austrian-American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueethnic (talk • contribs) 15:24, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I know this because I am an Irish-American, born in America to Irish parents. Where does anyone get this idea that a person who comes here from another country and takes the citizenship test becomes a _____-American? If Bin Laden took the test would he then become a Saudi-American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueethnic (talk • contribs) 15:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

You're mistaken. See, e.g.

"Irish Americans ... are citizens of the United States who can trace their ancestry to Ireland."

Schwarzenegger is a naturalized citizen, therefore he's an American. He's of Austrian heritage, therefore he's an Austrian-American. More specifically, a first-generation Austrian-American.

(Given his current condition, if bin Laden passed the test, he'd be a Zombie-American.)

—WWoods (talk) 18:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, no. Irish-Americans are people like me. Born in America, of Irish descent. Arnold is an Austrian who applied for and was granted American citizenship. He is NOT an Austrian-American. Trueethnic (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, he's got dual nationality, but ethnically he is still Austrian. So you can't say he's American. Norum 06:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

By citizenship, he is both Austrian and American, hence he counts as Austrian-American, as do ethnic Austrians born and raised in the US. Jim Michael (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

He is an Austrian who got his American citizen ship. He has no American nationality whatsoever. No American blood. 75.76.44.46 (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Are the pictures of his secret child and mistress allowed under fair use?

In the press there a couple great pictures of Arnold's mistress and his love child. They put a face on this and I would put it in here but I'm not sure how to do this since wikipedia is so strict about pictures even if they come from press, etc. Any help in this? [redacted editorial comments] 75.174.138.177 (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Please avoid commenting on the subject. Fair use rule, as interpreted by Wikipedia, rarely allow pictures of living people since the theory is that the photos are replaceable. Also, photos of minors would be problematic for BLP reasons.   Will Beback  talk  23:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

OK Gotcha TY Will!  ;-) 00:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Avoid commenting on facts? Looks like wikipedia administrators are moderators for political figures. Quite a bit of Will's edits appear to be politically motivated.Woods01 (talk) 04:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Huh? Where'd that come from? If you want to comment on me, my talk page is open. Please reserve this page for discussing improvements to the article.   Will Beback  talk  05:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:American people of Austrian descent

That category should be removed, because he is only a naturalized citizen of the US, but he is still Austrian. If he were born in the US then he could have been categorized as such. Norum 06:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

He is American because he has US citizenship. He is of Austrian descent (as well as having had Austrian parents and having been born and raised in Austria). I guess what you are saying is that a naturalized US citizen isn't as American as a person born and raised in the US. However, all people possessing US citizenship are categorized by Wikipedia as Americans. Jim Michael (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not the American part - it's the "Austrian descent". He isn't "of Austrian descent", he is Austrian. GRAPPLE X 15:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The problem with this article when it comes to what Arnold is, is that it is edited by the same people who say that Obama is an "African American" President when he is in fact bi-racial. He is as white as he is black. Trueethnic (talk) 16:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

In Obama's case, "African American" is really a play on words. He's African American as in being the child of an African and an American, not African American as in being black. --Boycool (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

That's not even remotely how the term is used in the United States. It is simply a term adopted as more politically correct than "black", just as black once took the place of "colored" in the vernacular. One can have several generations of born-in-America ancestors and still be termed "African-American". Tarc (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I was just relaying the wikipedia policy on the matter, per the FAQ at Talk:Barack Obama. --Boycool (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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Tarentino

Shouldn't we change "World War II movie by Quentin Tarentino" to actually mention Inglorious Basterds? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.10.90.15 (talk) 04:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Mlisa04, 6 June 2011

Under the sub-topic "Infidelity," it says:

"Schwarzenegger would find ways to spent time with this child, in one instance Maria Shriver and Schwarzenegger's children unexpectedly accompanied Schwarzenegger to his secret out of wedlock child's baptism in 1998."

Instead of spent it should be spend.

Mlisa04 (talk) 04:26, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. GRAPPLE X 04:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

arnie measurements

while these vary over time, here are some general arnie sizes:

• Arnold's Top Form Measurements - 7 x Mr Olympia Winner
• Arms: 22 inches
• Chest: 57 inches
• Waist: 34 inches
• Thighs: 28.5 inches
• Calves: 20 inches
• Weight: 235 pounds, he went at times ? up to 260 lbs
• Height: 6 feet 2 inches (argued over)
• Source: http://www.bodybuildinguniverse.com/arnold.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.221.97 (talk) 04:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

compare to jay cutler - 4 x & recent Mr Olympia Winner

• Jay Cutler (born August 3, 1973 in Sterling, Massachusetts)
• Height: 5'9" (175 cm)[1]
• Thighs: 31 inches (79 cm)[1]
• Calves: 20 inches (51 cm)[1]
• Arms: 22.5 inches (57 cm)[1]
• Neck: 19.5 inches (50 cm)[1]
• Chest: 60 inches (150 cm)
• Waist: 34 inches (86 cm)
• source: jay wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.221.97 (talk) 04:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

compare to Ronnie Coleman - 8 x Mr Olympia winner

b May 13,1964,Monroe,La

• Height 5 ft 11 in
• 296 lbs,competition wt
• 330 lbs, off season wt
• Arms: 24 inches
• Waist: 36 inches
• Thighs: 36 inches
• Calves: 22 inches
• Chest: 58 inches
• Source: [17] 69.121.221.97 (talk) 04:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't really see what the point is in comparing body measurements with other random bodybuilders in an encyclopedia. Is there a point to this request? Not that any of the measurements are even particularly well sourced ("Bodybuildinguniverse.com"?) or stick to a criteria or time frame in that individual's career. Arnold's "Top Form" measurements? According to who? Why no neck measurement for Ronnie Coleman or offseason weight for Cutler? This seems to me like random information that doesn't have any context. --Yankees76 ^Talk 17:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced Statements

There are a couple of citation needed tagged statements in the article, that are not particularly contentious, or negative. If someone with time to research the answers could reference them, or modify them to meet references (if appropriate) that would be great. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Children's Names

At least two of the children have been using the last name Shriver since his relationship with Ms. Beana became public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.44.152 (talk) 08:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Infidelity

In the book The Governator: From Muscle Beach to His Quest For the White House, the Improbable Rise of Arnold Schwarzenegger by Ian Halperin, it is claimed that Arnold had multiple sexual partners during his "courtship" with Maria. --Boycool (talk) 00:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Why there's "Ironically"?

Is this text supposed to make me laugh? Is it meant to cause feelings determined by the writer? May I not draw my own conclusions upon reading the facts, uncoloured? And why is it locked? Although generally good work all the Wikipedians. Keep going, love you, bye bye. 62.240.82.208 (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Quite right. "Ironically" is a word that does not belong in this encyclopedia, except in a quotation.   Will Beback  talk  21:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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He is known for: I am the governor of California" in his accent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.253.255.241 (talk) 00:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Request for edit: Gray Davis' grandfather

Why is an extended attack on former governor Gray Davis' GRANDFATHER included on a page about Arnold Schwarzenegger? This passage (under the section "Early Life") reads like a partisan attempt to muddy the discussion about Schwarzenegger's father being a Nazi: "Schwarzenneger's father's background received wide press attention during the 2003 California recall campaign,[14] in contrast to the absence, ever, of press reporting of Schwarzenneger's opponent's family history during, or since the gubernatorial recall election in 2003, that the then Governor, Gray Davis's grandfather, William Rhodes Davis, was described in the press after WWII to have been a Nazi Abwehr agent[15] accused of funding republican presidential candidate, Wendell Wilkie in the 1940 U.S. presidential election campaign.[16][17]"

Who was allowed to write a phrase like "the absence, ever, of press reporting of Schwarzenegger's opponent's family history"? The writer (who repeatedly misspells Schwarzenegger's name) cannot prove "the absence, ever" of such reporting--nor is it germane to a bio of Schwarzenegger. If Wikipedia feels that gossip about Gray Davis' grandfather is somehow relevant (which is extremely debatable), it belongs on the Gray Davis page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.132.10 (talk) 06:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Extraneous material removed. — DocOfSoc • Talk • 23:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Revised Divorce Documents.

According to TMZ, Schwarzenegger and his attorney have filed revised documents granting Maria Shriver spousal support and attorney's fees.

Revised Divorce Docs

Anyway, someone should fix that part of the article.

--99.108.248.29 (talk) 03:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)HypoAllergenicJin Done! Ty! — DocOfSoc • Talk • 03:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Cool! But I think the sentence is wordy and awkward. Mind if I have a go?

"Schwarzenegger intends on filing amended divorce papers granting Maria Shriver spousal support and attorney's fees. The initial petition did not grant this and he claims to have signed the initial documents without having properly read them."

--99.108.248.29 (talk) 06:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)HypoAllergenicJin Replaced as siggested. A pleasure working with you! Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk • 10:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

"By the age of 30, Schwarzenegger was a millionaire, well before his career in Hollywood."

Incorrect. He'd been in several films by age 30 - including the prominent role in Stay Hungry, filmed age 28 and released age 29...

Needs tweaked. --82.41.20.82 (talk) 18:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Codebreaker79, 6 August 2011

Codebreaker79 (talk) 23:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC) He is rumored to be in a relationship with Kimberly Frantz of San Diego. Three different sites have claimed this, I request her name be placed as his partner.

Key word being "rumored". Please provide one or more reliable sources confirming that they are in a relationship. --Boycool (talk) 00:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Gray Davis

• Schwarzenneger's father's background received wide press attention during the 2003 California recall campaign, in contrast to the absence, ever, of press reporting of Schwarzenneger's opponent's family history during, or since the gubernatorial recall election in 2003, that the then Governor, Gray Davis's grandfather, William Rhodes Davis, was described in the press after WWII to have been a Nazi Abwehr agent accused of funding republican presidential candidate, Wendell Wilkie in the 1940 U.S. presidential election campaign.

I'm going to delete the underlined material again. (It was just restored with the edit summary "Restored description of contrast of journalist focus on Schwarzenneger's Wiesenthal Center vetted his Nazi family past, v. no inquiry into 3 term Gov., Gray Davis's unvetted Nazi family tie." [18]) First, this article isn't about Gray Davis. Second, none of the sources mention this lack of coverage, so it's original research. Third, different people become known for different things, so comparisons of this type could be made endlessly.   Will Beback  talk  02:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

"Partisan"? "Debatable"? Although it was reported in the NY Times that William Rhodes Davis was the grandfather of three term California Governor Gray Davis's sister, there is NO major media press reporting of the fact that William Rhodes Davis, Nazi Abwehr agent C-80, was the father of Gray Davis's father, Joseph Graham Davis, Sr. Is there no place in an article on Arnold Schwarzenegger to describe negative press coverage of Weisenthal Center vetted Schwarzenegger, Nazi family ties, v. no similar press reporting related to the Nazi family background of thrice elected California Governor, Davis? California is the nation's largest state, and the NY Times, for example, ignored during four Davis campaigns, the information existing in its own archives. William Rhodes Davis

...A New York Times article, dated January 14, 1968, states that Doris Jane Davis is the daughter of Mrs. Armand M. Morell,[30] and the granddaughter of Mrs. Paul C.Matthews and of the late William Rhodes Davis.[31][32][33] Mrs. Armand M. Morell was (Mrs. Morell was formerly[34] Doris Meyer Davis, the wife of Joseph Graham Davis, Sr.),[35] the mother of, and Doris Jane Davis is the sister of, former Governor of California, Joseph Graham Davis, Jr., aka Gray Davis.[36][37] Ruidoso (talk) 02:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Our comments crossed. Please read mine, above. Do you want any continuity in wikipedia articles? If you do, restore my edit. Readers deserve to know that the Weisenthal Center vetted candidate was negatively portrayed because of his father's uncontroversial background, while Schwarzenegger's political opponent changed his name, and had a hidden Nazi family tie, and that the press missed this during four campaigns in the nation's largest state. Ruidoso (talk) 02:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I've moved it immediately above.   Will Beback  talk  02:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Who says that this happened? Which secondary source (book, newspaper, magazine, broadcast news source) has raised this issue?   Will Beback  talk  02:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

You're serious, aren't you? You re-deleted the entire point. Here is what WE KNOW.... Schwarzenegger requested that the Wiesenthal center vet his family for Nazi background. The press, according to what is in the Arnold Schwarzenegger article, reported negatively on that Nazi family background. Gray Davis was the democratic party candidate in four governor's races in the largest U.S. state. Davis's grandfather was an Nazi Abwehr agent, accused of treason. It is accepted in the Gray Davis article that Davis's father, Joseph Graham Davis, Sr., was the son of William Rhodes Davis. I'll leave it up to you. Do readers deserve to read ANY of the details in this paragraph, as a follow on to this, in the Arnold Schwarzenegger article?

Early Life...

.....in later life, Schwarzenegger commissioned the Simon Wiesenthal Center to research his father's wartime record, which came up with no evidence of atrocities despite Gustav's membership in the Nazi Party and SA.[11] Schwarzenneger's father's background received wide press attention during the 2003 California recall campaign.[14]

I maintain that the point above is incomplete without the inclusion of some or all of what I've attempted to maintain in the article. You seem to think dotting the i's and crossing the t's is more important than producing the most informative and complete article, of a reasonable length and well documented, of course. Ruidoso (talk) 03:05, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that you are creating a controversy where none existed. Nobody mentioned this during the campaign. Schwarzenegger and Davis are different people. Schwarzenegger's family became an issue while Davis' did not. We're not going to add to the Davis article that his successor turned out to have fathered a child with a mistress. Likewise, discussions of Davis' family based on original research don't belong in this article.   Will Beback  talk  03:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Will Beback, while I understand the rationale for enforcing a ban on "original" research, if, for example, reporting available to be read in newspaper archives and in probate court records informs that William Rhodes Davis was the father of Joseph Graham Davis, Sr. and the grandfather of Doris Jane Davis, and the son and granddaughter are known to be father and sister of Joseph Graham Davis, Jr., aka Gray Davis, is the "original" research ban, in your opinion as a Wikipedia administrator, so rigid that William Rhodes Davis is confined to being described ONLY as the father of Gray Davis's father, and as the grandfather of Gray's sister, Doris Jane Davis, but NOT as the grandfather of Gray Davis, himself? Arnold Schwarzenegger unseated a thrice elected, sitting governor of the largest U.S. state. Leading up to this accomplishment, the press widely covered the detail that Schwarzenegger's father was a member of the Nazi party and that the Wiesenthal Center was earlier asked by Schwarzenegger himself, to look into the backfgrounds of Schwarzenegger's father and grandfather. Since there is information, in the Gray Davis and in the the William Rhodes Davis articles informing any reader of those articles that Gray Davis's father was the son of an Nazi Abwehr agent, is the most reasonable and responsible decision for you to make, a total ban of any reference to this information about Schwarzenegger's foremost political opponent's similar family background? I expect you've already made your decision, but I hope you will take a moment to take stock of your priorities as an administrator, and your obligations to those who read the Wikipedia articles you influence.

My interest and priority is the history. Consider that Sam Pryor, Jr. flew William Rhodes Davis in Pryor's private plane to Rushville, IN, whereupon Davis offered Hermann Goering's campaign financing to Wendell Willkie. Then, read the comments at the following link, attributed to GHW Bush and to Karl Rove. http://samuelpryor.com/ Gray Davis is a democrat. Ours is a political system where the two principal choices for 2003 California recall election voters were a challenger with admitted Nazi family background, v. a sitting governor with non-tranparent Nazi family background. (Gore Vidal describes American politics as a one party, "The Property Party," system with two right wings.) Consider the opinions attributed to Bush and Rove, and the obscurity of Gray Davis's grandfather, and tell me again how I am the one "creating" a controversy. The controversies were "created" when Pryor flew WR Davis to Rushville and Willkie turned a blind eye to where the money offered by WR Davis was coming from, and when "Gray" Davis buried his own actual first and middle names. Ruidoso (talk) 04:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Your material is not pertinent to this article. It could be a separate article if you wish to create one with proper sources and no OR. Will beBack is a well respected Administrator, very precise and you will learn that he is generally correct. As a major contributor to the is article, I have already noted that Arnold's father was a Nazi and believe that is quite sufficient. Cheers! — DocOfSoc • Talk • 05:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Stock trader?

Does anyone know why this article is in the category stock trader (or American stock trader)? Other than having an ownership interest in an investment firm, is this really a defining category for him? 72Dino (talk) 21:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Divorce

The divorce was never finalized, plus apparently, Maria Schriver is taking him back based on her being Catholic. Those areas need to be fixed. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 13:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

"Secret son" mentioning in lead section

An editor (User:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington) has twice removed my edit discussing the mention of Schwarzenegger's son with his former housekeeper in the lead section. Wording I added (in bold) was:

Schwarzenegger was married to Maria Shriver for over 25 years and the couple had four children together. The couple separated in May 2011. During the same month, it was revealed that Schwarzenegger had fathered a son with the couple's housekeeper over 13 years earlier and that Schwarzenegger had hidden this fact from both his wife and his son since his birth.

I also changed the name of the section "Marital separation" to "Marital separation and secret son".

This first reversal by the other editor was marked as a "minor edit", mentioned no reason for the reversal, and there was no discussion on the talk page.

The second reversal's reason was "(remove from lead. Please see WP:LEAD and WP:UNDUE. This is inappropriate editing and will be reported to the BLP noticeboard if it does not cease)". I dispute both of these suggestions. Clearly, as a former Governor of California, Schwarzenegger's actions are subject to close scrutiny. Further, hiding his fatherhood of a son for thirteen years from both the his wife and his son is an EXTREMELY notable event. Facts707 (talk) 05:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

The same editor also posted the following notice on my talk page, including the aggressive warning "Tenacious editing and continuous violations of Wikipedia's BLP policy will result in block. This is your first and final warning.": Facts707 (talk) 05:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I object to the inclusion of the content that you have added to the lead section. Please take it to the biographies of living persons' noticeboard for seeking third party opinion. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 08:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

My view is that the lede should treat the secret son with the same prominence as his other children. To me, mentioning the legitimate children in the lede but not the other one is unbalanced; OTOH, I think the bolded text above gives it a bit too much emphasis. Maybe something like this?

Schwarzenegger was married to Maria Shriver for over 25 years before separating in May 2011. During this time the couple had four children together, and Schwarzenegger also fathered a son with the couple's housekeeper.

Or alternatively, if you want to make the causal link clearer:

Schwarzenegger was married to Maria Shriver for over 25 years. During this time the couple had four children together. Schwarzenegger also fathered a son with the couple's housekeeper, contributing to his separation from Shriver in May 2011.

IMHO, any further detail belongs in the body of the article. --GenericBob (talk) 00:52, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Arnold Schwarzenegger

The content that you added to the article on Arnold Schwarzenegger has been removed because it was not in accordance to our policy on biographies of living persons. Please discuss further changes on the talk page. Tenacious editing and continuous violations of Wikipedia's BLP policy will result in block. This is your first and final warning. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 21:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 February 2012

it should say "arnold WAS married to mara shriver" not "Arnold IS married to maria shriver".

71.72.54.194 (talk) 00:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, they are separated, but as far as I can tell their divorce is not yet finalised--Jac16888 ^Talk 00:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Arnold Schwarzenegger Activism

I think that the addition of the following information is necessary for the activism section of this page, as it currently lacks any of this information.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has been involved with the Special Olympics for many years after they founded by his ex-mother-in-law, Eunice Kennedy Shriver. In 2007, Schwarzenegger was the official spokesperson for the Special Olympics which were held in Shanghai, China . Schwarzenegger believes that quality school opportunities should be made available to children who might not normally be able to access them. In 1995, he founded the Inner City Games Foundation (ICG) which provides cultural, educational and community enrichment programming to youth. ICG is active in 15 cities around the country and serves over 250,000 children in over 400 schools countrywide. He has also been involved with After-School All-Stars, and founded the Los Angeles branch in 2002. ASAS is an after school program provider, educating youth about health, fitness and nutrition.

Rebeccamcd (talk) 02:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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added reflist mabdul 13:36, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

End of governorship?

Odd that there is no note about why he is no longer governor of California, —having resigned-. Adding this. Err, I mean, chose not to run for re-election. Baiter (talk) 03:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Treat his children the same

I am not sure whether it a appropriate to mention his children in the lead or later in the article. However, when his four children with his wife are mentioned somewhere in the article, his fifth child with their long time housekeeper should also be mentioned in the same place. It is a mistake to either underemphasize or overemphasize this other child. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think the child born out of wedlock should be mentioned, but not in the lead section. The lead section may refer to his children with his current wife. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 19:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

When we discuss his children, please explain why you think we should we discuss one in a less prominent fashion than the other four? He has admitted paternity and has a relationship with this child, after all. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:28, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I think that would be because we write biographies in a conservative fashion. I suggest keeping information about his children out of the lead section, or else simply mention them as a fact without referring to whether they were born out of wedlock. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

1. I am inclined to agree that the children should be not be placed in a hierarchy derived from the mother. That said, perhaps the size of the place that the child occupies in the father's life, at least as relates to the public interest, should inform their representation in the father's bio. E.g. if a child is given up for adoption, or if the father donates sperm and the child locates the father.
2. Notwithstanding the foregoing, there is a very clear change along these lines that I think should be made immediately.
   • The parenthesized statement that the "illegitimate" child's birthday is the day after the release of the book, should be removed. Of what import is this fact?
   • If it is not removed, it shouldn't at least be placed in parentheses.
   • If it is not removed, the word "illegitimate" should be removed. There is nothing illegitimate about the child. There is no law against fathering a child with someone you're not married to. The child is just a child. It appears that this sentence is here simply to take another opportunity to point out that the man fathered a child out of wedlock; this is accomplished elsewhere in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waxmat (talk • contribs) 02:58, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree that illegitimate as a term to describe this child should be removed. It is an archaic and frankly, offensive, way of referring to children who result from the actions of their parents, whether we condone the behavior of the adults or not, as the case may be. I'm also not sure what relevance this is to the publication of the memoir. It seems unnecessary to note in this section of the article. Teemcee (talk) 04:01, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Citations for Demolition Man mention

I can't be arsed to log in or make an account or whatever. Here's some info, do with it what you like. This is easily one of the most well-referenced scenes in the past 30 years of film.

http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/schwarzenegger-constitutional-amendment-hatched/ This one is interesting because not only does it mention the 1993 reference, but it also talks about Hatch's proposed real amendment to let the Governator become Prezinator. But if you want to leave it as just a bit of trivia, I suggest http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106697/trivia but there are literally thousands of other mentions of it.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=75;t=000942;p=1 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106697/quotes www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/171104demolitionman.htm (contains the scene as embedded video, might be loud) http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2003/08/08/president-arnold-schwarzenegger.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPBrt-mdNmQ (the clip in the 1st link again)

Oh... here's an interesting one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_Man_%28film%29#Setting Ironically, there's no citation in that article.

http://invertedsoapbox.com/2010/08/10/the-demolition-man-prophecy/

Ok, this list could go on all day. That should be plenty. Grab one you like and cite it. However, I recommend that you point out in that section of the article that the 61st Amendment mentioned in the film is entirely fictional. There are only 27 Amendments (so far) to the federal constitution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.33.136 (talk) 13:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Split proposal

I think articles on A.S the actor and A.S the bobybuilder should be split off as subarticles, while this one stays as a summary article. We've already got Political career of Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I think we need articles like this to dilute this article of information. This article is trying to do to much and the result is rather confusing...--Coin945 (talk) 01:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree, perhaps even including his split with Maria (or perhaps that should just be pared down). This has to be one of the longest articles on Wikipedia.--Chimino (talk) 15:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Which language was _Total Recall_ written in?

The new book, Total Recall, was published simultaneously in English and German. Which language was it initially written in? Michael Hardy (talk) 04:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

It was initially written in English by Peter Petre and translated into German by Heike Schlatterer, Karlheinz Dürr, Anne Emmert and Karin Schuler. --Komischn (talk) 21:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Update

• http://arts.nationalpost.com/2013/01/31/nude-photos-of-arnold-schwarzenegger-having-sex-with-unnamed-woman-could-fetch-150k/ This may need watching and mention.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Extra infobox

It looks like this page has an infobox at the top, and then there's another one a little bit farther down. Is there a reason for that? I'm going to remove it, but someone let me know if it's a mistake. Thanks!Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 18:38, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

height section

There are two identical looking paragraphs regarding Arnold's height - one should be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.38.207.212 (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Powerlifting/weightlifting records

The link to the Clean&press is incorrect it should be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_and_press, not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_press — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.249.196 (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

German Pronunciation: [ˈʃvartsənˌɛɡər] or [ˈʃvartsənˌɛkər]?

Seeing as Mr. Schwarzenegger is a native of Austria, I wonder whether his name is really pronounced plain standard (Prussian) German [ˈʃvartsənˌɛɡər], and not rather [ˈʃvartsənˌɛkər] (with [k]). Is there an Austrian family name book or some other reference? --mach 🙈🙉🙊 10:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Injuries & Accidents (Improvements)

Arnold suffered an injury to his left knee when a stage full underneath him in November 1972 in South Africa. It was thought to be career-threatening injury at the time. He had surgery and began training all-out in March 1973. He won Mr. Olympia that year. (Source: Encycolpedia of Bodybuilding)

Arnold suffered a back injury and torn knee ligaments (and continued to film) during Conan the Barbarian (1982). (Source: imdb.com)

I also believe he had a shoulder surgery prior to Terminator 3 but this information would have to be independently verified (Source: Comments made on Howard Stern show aired in 2003) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:26FF:2EF0:0:0:0:37 (talk) 15:08, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Where the words "To my idol - Vlasov" ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Vlasov — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifeisuseless (talk • contribs) 07:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 July 2013

Hi, I run Arnold Schwarzenegger's #1 fanclub and I was hoping we can add a new topic under his "Activism"category. Under Activism, can we PLEASE add "The USC Schwarzenegger Institute"? This is one of Arnold's greatest achievements of the last couple of years.

Here is what it can say below and some source link.

Schwarzenegger is the chairman of the USC Schwarzenegger Institute for State and Global Policy. The USC Schwarzenegger Institute for State and Global Policy is committed to advancing post-partisanship, where leaders put people over political parties and work together to find the best ideas and solutions to benefit the people they serve. The Institute will seek to influence public policy and public debate in finding solutions to the serious challenges we face. The USC Schwarzenegger Institute understands that great innovation and great solutions rarely come from government, but rather from individuals, entrepreneurs, and the community. The Schwarzenegger Institute is dedicated to seeking out these people, organizations, businesses, entrepreneurs, and ideas.

• The establishment of the USC Schwarzenegger Institute for State and Global Policy (http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/38576/usc-schwarzenegger-establish-new-institute-focused-on-state-and-global-policy/)

• Gov. Schwarzenegger and Scientists Call for Action on Climate Change (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/arnold-schwarzenegger-usc-institute_n_1909791.html)

• Political leaders discuss immigration reform at USC Schwarzenegger Institute forum (http://priceschool.usc.edu/immigration-forum/)

• Keynote speech from Arnold Schwarzenegger in Seoul (http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/51496/schwarzenegger-recounts-life-lessons-in-keynote-address/)

The USC Schwarzenegger Institute: http://schwarzenegger.usc.edu/about-the-institute

98.255.128.250 (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Missing Citation (Improvements)

There is a citation missing tag after the Demolition Man reference in the Governor of California section; this could point to the IMDB quotes page on that movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106697/quotes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurelfell (talk • contribs) 17:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Education

What does "At school, Schwarzenegger was apparently in the middle but stood out for his "cheerful, good-humored and exuberant" character" mean? Is this a reference to his academic record, size or personality?203.184.41.226 (talk) 04:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Joseph - better mention

Joseph Baena needs better mention, both in the lead and in "Personal life". Burying this under "Marital separation" is a disservice to readers. My previous attempts to rectify this were undone with this explanation on my talk page:

>>>The content that you added to the article on Arnold Schwarzenegger has been removed because it was not in accordance to our policy on biographies of living persons. Please discuss further changes on the talk page. Tenacious editing and continuous violations of Wikipedia's BLP policy will result in block. This is your first and final warning. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 21:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)<<<

Mimsy further states in a revert comment: "(remove from lead. Please see WP:LEAD and WP:UNDUE. This is inappropriate editing and will be reported to the BLP noticeboard if it does not cease)".

In addition to WP:BLP, also cited by the same editor in reversing edits were WP:LEAD and WP:DUE. However, WP:BLP#Public figures is clear, eg: "Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair...". So is WP:LEAD: "...summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies.". And WP:DUE: "...fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources".

User talk:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington's allegations of "tenacious editing and continuous violations" are simply untrue. That editor in fact reverted an entire sentence from the lead without comment and with only a "minor edit" tag [19].

Anyway, to the point, we have to take all notable events into consideration, we can't try to sweep some under the rug like an 18th century history book. Facts707 (talk) 07:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Tanker?

Schwarzenegger was a tank crewman in the Austrian Army. He's mentioned this along with anecdotes about racing tanks and getting smoked for it, most recently on the Jimmy Fallon show. He's even purchased the actual tank he drove in the Austrian Army and uses it in fundraising events. I think it would be good to include maybe a four word reference to this i.e. "served in the Austrian Army as a tank driver."

boopbeboopbop! owen l — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.221.150.214 (talk) 17:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

DFA and Global Witness

I think Arnold Schwarzenegger's investment in DFA and their link to companies involved in tropical forest destruction should be included in the article. He's known as environmental advocate and I think it's important that this recent development is mentioned in the article. NiamhPippy (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Bodybuilding competitions featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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No sources, no indication of notability beyond what is covered by Arnold Schwarzenegger – Muboshgu (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Good suggestion, I agree. -Shalom11111 (talk) 11:07, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I would support a merge. If the Bodybuilding competitions featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger article was longer and included more information then then it could keep, but it doesn't. Meatsgains (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, the bodybuilding competitions table can easily be included on the main Schwarzenegger page, and on its own it doesn't have all that much info. LateralusHK14 (talk) 03:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2014

I think you should include more information about WHY he and his wife divorced. He had an affair with one of their care providers who subsequently bore a child and raised the child in the Schw. home without Maria Shriver being made aware of the situation!!! He lied to his wife and children for years! 71.6.78.166 (talk) 18:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. They are not divorced, they are separated. Also, there are already four paragraphs in the "Marital separation" subsection of the "Personal life" section. Much more will result in WP:UNDUE weight. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2014

Please remove the "(requires Adobe Flash)" from Schwarzenegger competing in Mr. Universe (1969) courtesy of British Pathe at YouTube (requires Adobe Flash)

YouTube no longer requires Flash and works with every modern browser without it.

78.27.108.188 (talk) 21:05, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Arnold Schwarzenegger. If possible, please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. If you cannot edit the article's talk page, you can instead make your request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for edits to a protected page. There is no verbiage in this article that adds that text and no-way to fix it from here. That text is added automatically via the {{British pathe}} template and you will need to gain a consensus to change that there. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 22:10, 26 June 2014 (UTC)