Talk:2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses/Archive 1

Archive 1

Needs a short description

If you add one thanks! :) 2600:100E:B042:B254:6034:DA6C:49F6:1B74 (talk) 21:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done.—Alalch E. 10:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Can we please change the title, this isn’t a war -it’s a genocide

Title 203.211.109.187 (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

That is not supported by reliable sources and would be a violation of the policies regarding a neutral point of view. FortunateSons (talk) 12:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 April 2024

Students on at least 33 universities participated on encampments with include

1-City University of New York - NYC 2- The New School - NYC 3- University of Rochester - Rochester, NY 4- University of California at Berkeley Berkeley, CA 5- University of Southern California Los Angeles 6- California State Polytechnic University 7- Yale University - New Haven, CT 8- Northwestern University - Evanston, IL 9- University of Maryland - College Park, MD 10- Harvard University - Boston 11- The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) - Cambridge, MA 12- Columbia University 13- Tufts - Medford, MA The University of 14- Michigan - Ann Arbor, MI 15- University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 16- University of Nevada - Las Vegas Princeton 17-University - Princeton, NJ 18- University of New Mexico - Albuquerque, 19- Ohio State University - Columbus, OH 20- UNC Chapel Hill - Chapel Hill, NC 21- University of North Carolina - Charlotte, 22- Temple University - Philadelphia 23- University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh, PA 24- Brown University - Providence, RI 25- Vanderbilt - Nashville, TN 26- Florida international University - Miami 27- University of Puget Sound - Tacoma, WA 28- University of Kansas - Lawrence, KS 29- University of Arizona - Tucson 30- Texas A&M - College Station, TX 31- University of Texas - Austin - Austin, TX 32- University of Texas at Dallas - Dallas, Texas 33- Indiana University Purdue University - Indianapolis

. 108.41.217.76 (talk) 05:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 06:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 April 2024

There is a typo in the reaction section in the third political paragraph. It should be than instead of then in the quote, as in the referenced article. Floweryskies (talk) 00:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 01:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit request: UVM Encampment Details (Liberation Seder)

In the Vermont section: I would like an addition made in reference to the University of Vermont. On April 28, UVM held a Liberation Seder using a haggadah put together by the Chittenden County chapter of Jewish Voices for Peace. Please cite this VT Digger article and this WCAX article hosted at MSN (Web Archive form pending). Mossgazer (talk) 05:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done मल्ल (talk) 14:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Stony Brook University (New York)

Today, April 30 at approx 7 am, pro-Palestine demonstrations began on the Staller Steps on Stony Brook main’s campus. Students tried to set up tents but were told by University Police that tents were considered a “structure,” and thus a permit was required (even though the tents were not staked into the ground). A student tried using a megaphone and was told by University Police they would need a “sound permit,” despite this student using their megaphone at other protests would no issue. Source and more info: https://sbstatesman.com/127280/news/breaking-news-sb4palestine-organizes-gaza-solidarity-encampment-on-staller-steps/. Rye bread92 (talk) 01:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. मल्ल (talk) 14:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request: Fordham University

Please add Fordham University under NYC section [1]Shiklu (talk) 23:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. मल्ल (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request UMKC

Please add UMKC to the map of campuses with protests, probably as a blue pin as there are no encampments there currently per KCUR: https://www.kcur.org/news/2024-04-29/umkc-student-protest-gaza-israel-liberation-zone-campus-demonstration-solidarity Rmcmullin (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Already done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 13:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request: Notable people arrested, jailed, detained, imprisoned, fined, or affected by a civil punishment by the state due to this protest

Former U.S. Presidential Candidate Jill Stein arrested by police at protest.

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein arrested at pro-Palestine college protest (The Hill): https://thehill.com/homenews/4627558-green-party-presidential-candidate-jill-stein-arrested-at-pro-palestine-college-protest/

US presidential candidate speaks out after anti-war protest arrest (Al Jazeera): https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/4/29/us-presidential-candidate-speaks-out-after-anti-war-protest-arrest

InfoWiki01 (talk) 03:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Already done Mentioned in Missouri section. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 13:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2024 (2)

India On 29th April, the administration of Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), New Delhi, cancelled an event with the United States ambassador to India following protests by students who objected to the invitation due to the US involvement in the Gaza genocide.

Ambassador to India Eric Garcetti was invited for a talk on US-India ties by the School of International Studies. The “join protest demonstration” led by the JNU Students Union called to “resist military-industrial complex of US imperialist forces”.

CalibanCrewMads (talk) 16:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. मल्ल (talk) 21:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Suggestion to change name of article: Spring 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on university campuses in the United States

Today is May. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LucasW (talk • contribs) 18:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

i agree Jccali1214 (talk) 18:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 April 2024

There's a typo in the paragraph on Princeton—the arrests were on April 25, not 15. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben-net-duck (talk • contribs) 12:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

Hi there, I am a long term reader of Wikipedia. this was my 1st attempted edit. I felt that it was important to give more information about the cancelling of Asna Tabassum, 2024 Valedictorian at USC, reflecting who she is. (I find her a remarkable inspiration!) I saw this interview of her from Wednesday 4 24 24 on Democracy Now, and was very moved by what she shared. I wanted to learn more and went on Wiki, but found little info about her. So I attempted to add a few quotes, that would help readers understand more of the issue around this Valedictorian speech cancellation, a 1st in USC history. Here is the edit I offered: Please feel free to include it or not, and correct formatting or not. Warm Regards, Dr. Suzanne Lerner PS I tried to copy the citation format, but have no previous experience coding, so I did my best. Feel free to change it.

 Not done: — hako9 (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Southern California

USC claimed they were cancelling their invitation for Asna to give the USC 2024 Valedictorians speech, due to safety reasons. Asna was given no details as to what the security threats or what the security concerns were. When she asked for details regarding the security concerns — for example, were they security concerns about her or her classmates? — She was offered no information and was told it was not appropriate for her to know.  

Asna was chosen out of a group of 100 students with a GPA > than 3.9, Asna has a Major in Bio-Medical Engineering, and a Minor is Resistance to Genocide. As she stated in an interview recorded Wednesday, 4 24 24 on Democracy Now: "I see my major and my minor working together, for the very same goal, is that, you know, my minor in resistance to genocide allows me to study the human condition at possibly one of its worst conditions, and then biomedical engineering is my way of learning technically how we can improve the human condition through increasing health accessibility." While some groups used an article she had posted a link to, to claim that she was promoting a one State solution, Asna points out that in the very next paragraph, "there are paragraphs and information relating to the two-state solution, as well...as the one-state. The sentence right after the one you just quoted (about a possible one state solution) talks about coexistence between Arabs and Jews." Asna added that "In no way am I advocating for hate. I am only advocating for human equality and for the sanctity of human life when I say that Palestinians, as well as Jews, as well as Muslims and Armenians and anyone else who is invested in this conflict, has the equal right to life and the equal privilege of the fullest extent to life."

Suzanne2.0 (talk) 01:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 Note: There is no consensus on the reliability of Democracy Now, and attribution is recommended if it is used as a source. It would probably be best to use a different source, which should be easy to find since this has been widely covered.

Aside from that, the details seem a bit out of scope for this article. This amount of context could be useful in an article about her, this event, or the USC protests in general - but in this case we probably don't need more than a sentence or two. Jamedeus (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Should "Unrest" be a term?

Protests have turned violent in some cases. Should the term "Unrest" be used? SpringField23402 (talk) 15:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Cite your source on the protests turning violent. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

How do you cite? SpringField23402 (talk) 14:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Just copy-paste the link to the source here if you want. Or read WP:CITE -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/24/us/columbia-protests-mike-johnson SpringField23402 (talk) 12:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. @ElijahPepe, I can't read the full article; if you can, can you reply? Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. The claim that the protests are growing violent was made by speaker Mike Johnson, who was attempting to amplify his message. Until several sources have claimed so, it woukd not be prudent to state the protests are violent. I support using "civil unrest" to reflect the increasing conflict between protesters and law enforcement, however. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

So that's a yes? Unrest should be a term in this event? SpringField23402 (talk) 18:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Civil unrest. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it SpringField23402 (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

International?

I'm seeing reports of solidarity encampments at universities in France, Italy and Australia. Is there a separate page for that? Kire1975 (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kire1975: The page has been renamed with a wider scope, so it's no longer restricted to US universities. Boud (talk) 01:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

What rename do you refer to? I see "April 2024 pro-Palestinian protests across US universities, which seems to still be very US exclusive (contrary to the "International" subheader)

(later edit: It seems it was changed and now turned back to US, you can ignore this reply)

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 12:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

What can I do with photos we took at the University of Texas at Austin protest?

I'd like them to be used on the page somewhere, if it is possible.

How could this be done? Irisoptical (talk) 23:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Irisoptical: Upload them to Wikimedia Commons. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Heyo! Do I have the rights to those photos then? I don't want to get into any legal trouble for taking pictures of the protest or police at the protest. I really want to show people what happened though. Irisoptical (talk) 08:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, if you took the photos then you own the rights to them. As far as I'm aware there's nothing illegal about taking photos of a protest in Texas. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 11:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

thank you! I'll get to it right away. Any tips on adding them to pages? I know this page is locked but I would like to have one of my pictures added once I add them to wikipedia Irisoptical (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I can handle adding your photographs once you upload them. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

kk Irisoptical (talk) 23:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello there, I uploaded 3 photos just now and will link them below. I'd like at least one of them to be used, and feel like each of the three have some sort of use somewhere.

File:Protest Image UT Austin (3).jpg - Wikipedia

File:Protest Image UT Austin (2).jpg - Wikipedia

File:Protest Image UT Austin (4).jpg - Wikipedia

Again, thanks so much for your help! Irisoptical (talk) 00:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Irisoptical: I incorporated one of your photographs into the infobox. Thank you. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Glad to contribute. UnrealJett (talk) 06:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

what Irisoptical (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

We need to flesh out more of these university subsections

Obviously when this settles down of course, and while information is flowing in we can continue to fill in each subsection as necessary.

But some of these protests might have only one source referencing them and could probably be concatenated into a single section of "Other colleges", when this settles down (whenever that happens).

Some of these schools could probably be their own wikipages at this point too. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 02:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I am currently doing a rewrite now. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Uni of Copenhagen source(s)?

There's only a Fediverse video for yesterday's solidarity protest at the University of Copenhagen. Any proper sources? Boud (talk) 18:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

International-sources

Not sure how merge proposal or page scope will be dealt with; the article has no Outside US section so far but see above. So here are some sources if anyone feels like creating a section and adding them:

-Paris

1. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240425-french-police-break-up-pro-palestinian-university-protest
2. https://www.humanite.fr/societe/bande-de-gaza/sciences-po-paris-apres-leur-evacuation-la-veille-par-les-crs-des-etudiants-occupent-un-nouveau-batiment-en-soutien-a-gaza
3. https://www.liberation.fr/societe/education/rassemblement-pro-palestinien-des-etudiants-expulses-dun-campus-de-sciences-po-paris-dans-la-nuit-par-la-police-20240425_OZHD2EVAXJHFPJDGPCCP4DBP44/
4. https://www.leparisien.fr/societe/manifestations-etudiantes-pour-gaza-nouvelle-mobilisation-a-sciences-po-paris-un-batiment-occupe-25-04-2024-NKYTDGCFUZFGJIRQXGKAJGOIYU.php

-Rome

1. https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2024/04/17/sapienza-di-roma-studenti-incatenati-e-in-sciopero-della-fame-dopo-gli-scontri-di-ieri-con-la-polizia-noi-per-la-pace-e-contro-il-genocidio-a-gaza/7516548/
2. https://roma.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/24_aprile_17/scontri-nelle-universita-chi-sono-i-leader-dell-ala-dura-cinque-anarchici-storici-e-un-estremista-palestinese-8cffd9c4-ab27-400b-a694-b7d5dcd18xlk.shtml

Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

International section is here to add content to. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 09:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, I had missed it! -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done .....But now the page has been moved with a title restricted to 'US',,,,can we address this? @CommunityNotesContributor and Makeandtoss:-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC) (As for overcite, feel free to remove the sources you think redundant)

I think this is fine and was the right move by @Makeandtoss. It was premature to rename the article (without consensus) when the topic is predominantly US universities. Just because there has been a few international protests this doesn't warrant a name change, mainly because these international protests are not notable enough to have their own article. Pinging @ElijahPepe who made the original move. [2] CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am also unaware of any major student protests taking place outside of US that has garnered significant coverage. Either way, the US protests deserves a standalone article per the WP:Notability guideline. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

No one is arguing the U.S. protests do not deserve an article, but rather that this is a worldwide phenomenon. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I think at some point we should extend it to all protest once we have enough good coverage, but I’m not sure if that point has been reached. FortunateSons (talk) 12:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Agree I do not yet see significant coverage (for notability) of protests outside the US to have it's own article as it were. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Title needs to be updated.

The student protests are ongoing in May 2024. The title needs to reflect that (or eliminate the month). Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

We're getting there, slowly but surely. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Requesting image addition for Oregon section

Hello, I am requesting that my own photo taken at the University of Oregon’s encampment protest be used in the Oregon section of this article. I think that given the size of the encampment (as it has grown in recent days), it would be a useful addition to this article.

Here is a link to the image page for use: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Student_encampment_at_the_University_of_Oregon.jpg Spacemace1 (talk) 21:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks, it's been included. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024

In the Missouri section of the article:

Police from Richmond County, St. Louis Metro and the University

should be changed to:

Police from Richmond Heights, the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department and Washington University

The main reason I make this request is because Richmond County does not exist and was very clearly a typo. I also noticed that the other two noun phrases were rather awkward as well (there probably isn't a good reason to keep the shortened version, especially since it doesn't link to St. Louis the city, and "the University" has weird capitalization and doesn't flow very well), although those latter two changes are not strictly necessary. Bruberu (talk) 01:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for noticing. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 03:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024 (2)

Remove Turkey from Locations where the student protests are taking place TreachCriss (talk) 07:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC) The source doesn't mention Turkey. Either remove it or add a better source that mentions Turkey.

 Done. However, please try to stick to the "change X to Y" format in the future. Thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 07:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024 (2)

Remove Turkey from Locations where the student protests are taking place TreachCriss (talk) 07:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC) The source doesn't mention Turkey. Either remove it or add a better source that mentions Turkey.

 Done. However, please try to stick to the "change X to Y" format in the future. Thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 07:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Barnard College and Rutgers University

Alongside Columbia University, Barnard is taking action to suspend those involved with the encampments. Additionally, there have been encampments occurring at Rutgers University in New Jersey.

These are possibly worth noting in the article 69.74.33.158 (talk) 17:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Add Smith College

• Add Smith College in Northampton MA to the list
• The protest there has been going on longer than most of the more publicized ones
• https://theshoestring.org/2024/04/10/shut-down-this-genocide-inside-the-smith-college-sit-in/

Rmacleod18 (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

That's from April 10th, before the Columbia encampment started this. The encampment had already been boing on for two weeks so it started in March. It does raise a good question about the title of this article. Is this page just for the Gaza protests that are in solidarity with the Columbia encampment that started on April 17th? or is it for anything that happened in April? If it's for the former, then this Smith College story should go to Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States. What's the consensus? Kire1975 (talk) 01:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The title of the article doesn’t mention Columbia. This is an on campus protest against the war that happened in April 2024. Just because Columbia was the first school to make headlines doesn’t mean we should ignore whatever campus protests happened before. Maybe there should be a section of other related protests 2601:193:8380:1630:7107:BA7B:B602:D8C2 (talk) 12:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

It appears the encampment part ended on April 9 or 10, but since then there has been a non-encampment protest on April 21, after April 18. (source) I would say that qualifies Smith to be mentioned in the article (possibly with the earlier encampment briefly mentioned). TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 02:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

References

New encampment at Sonoma State University in California

Hi, could someone with edit access please add Sonoma State University in Rohnert Park, CA? SSU SJP set it up yesterday, April 26, and we're trying to get the word out! So far the campus police have left it alone. https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2024/04/26/18865416.php AlynWolves (talk) 17:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Are there any reports on this aside from the link you provided? This appears to be a self-published source, which are generally discouraged from being cited. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 19:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Found a source and added it. Thanks for the heads up Alyn. Kire1975 (talk) 01:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, indymedia was the only source at the time of writing but they got an actual reporter there today. 107.209.18.166 (talk) 05:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit request - Dickinson College

Students at Dickinson College began a Solidarity protest on the night of 4/25

https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2024/04/dickinson-students-stage-sit-in-to-show-solidarity-with-arrested-palestine-protesters.html Fernmyne (talk) 05:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States article

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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As an FYI, due to a notable fork issue (as well as other issues), I was planning to WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT the Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States to this article. Please respond on the talk page if you disagree and it can go to AfD if necessary. This is merely a courtesy notification that can be ignored. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 19:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Edit request - Haverford College

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pro-palestinian-protest-camps-show-up-on-local-campuses-but-calmly/ar-AA1nL2nC Fernmyne (talk) 18:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit request: Students 4 Gaza - A Global Map of Encampments and Demands List of Participating Universities (students4gaza.directory) / Internationalize the Article because the Article is too U.S.-Centric

The website “Students 4 Gaza - A Global Map of Encampments and Demands” ( https://students4gaza.directory/ ) has more participating colleges and universities listed on the website including cited sources used to make the determination. Many such participating institutions in the United States and around the world have yet to be added to the list and map here on Wikipedia. So I request that you please add the missing institution, including the ones outside the United States to the list on Wikipedia.

As of 5:02 AM Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) on Monday, April 29, 2024, the participating institutions are as follows (for new updates check original source):

List of colleges

American University Joined DMV SJP encampment at George Washington University Arizona State University Demands Barnard College Demands at the co-organized Columbia/Barnard encampment Berkeley College of Music Joined Northeastern University Encampment Boston University Joined Northeastern University Encampment Brown University Demands Bryn Mawr College Demands California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt Demands City College of New York Demands Claremont Colleges Demands Columbia University Demands at the co-organized Columbia/Barnard encampment Community College of Denver Demands at Auraria Gaza Solidarity Encampment Concordia University Joined McGill encampment Cornell University Demands Dickinson College Demands Drexel University Joined UPenn encampment Duke University Demands at Triangle Gaza Solidarity Encampment Emerson College Demands Emory University Demands Fashion Institute of Technology Demands Gallaudet University Joined DMV SJP encampment at George Washington University George Mason University Joined DMV SJP encampment at George Washington University George Washington University Demands Georgetown University Demands | Joined DMV encampment at George Washington University Hamline University Demands Harvard University Demands Haverford College Documentation, will join Bryn Mawr College encampment on 4/28 Indiana University Bloomington Demands Indiana University Indianapolis Demands İstanbul Teknik Üniversitesi Documentation Massachusetts Institute of Technology Demands McGill University Documentation Metropolitan State University of Denver Demands at Auraria Gaza Solidarity Encampment Michigan State University Demands Middlebury College Demands New York University - Main Campus Demands North Carolina State University Demands at Triangle Gaza Solidarity Encampment Northeastern University Demands Northwestern University Demands NYU Berlin (New York University - Berlin Campus) Documentation NYU Buenos Aires (New York University - Buenos Aires Campus) Documentation Ohio State University Demands Portland State University Documentation Princeton University Demands Purdue University Demands Rice University Demands Sciences Po Paris Coverage Sonoma State University Demands Stanford University Documentation Swarthmore College Demands Temple University Joined UPenn encampment The New School Demands Tufts University Demands University of Alberta Documentation University of California, Los Angeles Demands University of California, Santa Barbara Demands University of California, Berkeley Demands University of Colorado -Denver Demands at Auraria Gaza Solidarity Encampment University of Connecticut Demands University of Florida Demands University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign Demands University of Mary Washington Demands University of Maryland, College Park Joined DMV SJP encampment at George Washington University University of Maryland, Baltimore County Joined DMV SJP encampment at George Washington University University of Melbourne Demands University of Michigan Demands University of Minnesota Demands University of New Mexico Demands University of North Carolina at Charlotte Demands University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Demands University of Notre Dame Demands University of Pennsylvania Demands University of Pittsburgh Demands University of Quebec in Montreal Joined McGill encampment University of Rochester Demands University of Southern California Demands University of Sydney Demands University of Texas at Austin Documentation University of Tokyo Documentation University of Vermont Demands Vanderbilt University Demands Virginia Tech Demands Warwick University Demands Washington University in St. Louis Demands Wesleyan University Demands Yale University Demands

Best regards,

~~ InfoWiki01 (talk) 05:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done as this website (while interesting) isn't a reliable source. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 15:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done Went through the list and found reliable sources for most of it. मल्ल (talk) 22:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Addition of contrarian opinion to introductory paragraph?

Hello, I was reading over the page and noticed that the paragraph starting with "Several protests have been criticized for antisemitism" feels a bit empty to me.

Would it be alright to add in opinions from the group Jewish Voice For Peace especially their articles on how the movement is being accused of anti-semitism even though some of the actions against the movement according to them are making jewish voices feel less safe?

There has always been an anti-zionist jewish movement, as this own website acknowledges by having articles on it, so it would not feel out of place in my opinion to places these articles here to ensure neutrality of information. Yeastmobile (talk) 11:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

For deeper analysis into anti-Zionism and claims that it is/is not antisemitic would probably be better suited for the anti-Zionism and weaponization of antisemitism pages. This page should focus on the protests at universities and link to pages where these claims and counter claims can be described in full. Also, secondary sources and news articles are preferred for references over primary source statements from political organizations. BootsED (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Israel Genocide Against Palestinians

Include that this is a protest against an active genocide and ethnic cleansing perpetrated by Israel against the people of Palestine sponsored by and funded by the United States 2600:8802:4511:A500:F0E1:76B9:82B9:7CD8 (talk) 04:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done It's already referenced in the infobox CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 26 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses Given that the protests have already lasted past April, and numerically, there are only two opposes (one of which seems to support the new title, anyways), it seems appropriate to WP:SNOW close this. (non-admin closure) ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 16:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on university campuses in the United States → 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses – Opening this move request to gauge consensus on a better title. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Support changing the title, specifically by merging the article into Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 22:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

This is the wrong place to suggest a merge. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Global University movement for Palestine
• Global University protests for Palestine

There are protest reported from all over the world’s univercities, not only from US!

sources to back my claim:

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/26/are-us-campus-protests-against-israels-war-on-gaza-going-global

Australia, UK, France, Italy. Grabup (talk) 04:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Support 2024 US college anti-war protests for conciseness. Maybe replace "anti-war" with "anti-Israel" or "Israel–Hamas war" here. The current title is definitely too long. NasssaNser 06:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

That's a good alternative in terms of concision if there's support for "anti-war" and "date + protests". Iskandar323 (talk) 06:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Support 2024 Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States as per prominent RS referencing (assuming this leads into May). RS are not calling these "Israel–Hamas war protests" as they are overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian. The pro-Israel protests referenced in the article are considered counter-protests and only notable within the context of the the pro-Palestinian protests. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 12:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Support, but remove 'in the United States'. While most of these have been in America, there are a significant amount of global protests as well. Personisinsterest (talk) 20:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Support 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses without "in the United States" – the protests are pretty commonly referred to as pro-Palestinian in the sources, as noted. It's also misrepresentive and false balance to present the protests as being generically about the war, when the specific phenomenon in question is overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian protests, with whatever counter-protests only representing a minor and reactive phenomenon by comparison. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Support Snokalok (talk) 02:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Support Fernmyne (talk) 04:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC) Struck per WP:ARBECR

Oppose - The proposer did not state any reasons for the proposal. Kire1975 (talk) 21:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Can't you think of some yourself? That it's lengthy, crap and imprecise all seem like prominent examples. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

What's your rush? One will emerge eventually. Kire1975 (talk) 00:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment — The correct title would be 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses, not 2024 Pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses. I generally support this title, but the 2024 is ambiguous. A proper title should be ideally decided before May 1. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ambiguous how? What other 2024 pro-Palestine protests on university campuses could it be confused with? If anything, all 2024 (pre-April) protests should be included as a background to avoid confusion. I otherwise agree that at this point, with several international protests, your suggestion seems the best and most supported so far. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 13:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Support 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses under the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability, naturalness and conciseness. While most of the protests are at US universities, several are in other parts of the world. While the protests do object to the war and are opposed to the genocide, describing them as pro-Palestinian is common in the sources. Boud (talk) 01:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Support renaming the title, Oppose attempts to merge this with larger scale pages because this has quickly evolved past a few college protests Irisoptical (talk) 01:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Struck per WP:ARBECR

Support renaming: my suggestion is Pro-Palestinian encampment protests on university campuses. Even though some protests mentioned in the article aren't encampments, the encampment aspect is without a doubt the defining aspect of the movement and should be in the title. As a bonus, using "encampment" instead of just "protests" avoids having to use the year to disambiguate IMO. WikiFouf (talk) 20:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Support renaming to 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses (possibly with the addition of 'encampment'.) Astronomyfortwo (talk) 21:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Struck per WP:ARBECR

Support 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses per Boud and Iskandar323. There are additional notable protest encampments popping up now in Canada and the UK; I don't see any reason to limit the article title to only the United States. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment Looks like WP:SNOW for 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses. Recommending a WP:BOLDMOVE here. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Would Support Astronomyfortwo and FlipandFlopped's proposals as well as all similar ones above. Would also note that based on recent posts from national and international organizers, 2024 Student Intifada should be considered - the other titles are probably better, but had to throw it out there. Amyipdev (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Struck per WP:ARBECR

Support 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses. The protests have moved beyond the United States. The word "encampment", specifically the title Gaza Solidarity Encampment, is relatively common already but sometimes means just Columbia University. MarkiPoli (talk) 08:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Support The People's University for Palestine (College protests) (also referred as " The People's University for Gaza", "The Popular University for Palestine" or "The Popular University for Gaza"). Many college encampments are referred as "The People's University for Palestine" or other variations as it encapsulates both the protest aspect but also the teach-ins that are carried out, religious events, dances, artworks, improvised libraries... One of the goals of these protests is to create autonomous and independent spaces inside the premises of the Universities where pro-Palestinian discourse can be carried out. Stanford: [3][4] Columbia: [5] Cornell: [6][7] here are some links, I can provide more. Hstoops (talk) 20:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Support 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses User:Sawerchessread (talk) 00:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support, strongly prefer 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses per Iskandar323. Altorespite 🌿 15:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Support - As it stands, this title is yet another example of Wikipedia's tendency to uphold a cumbersome title whilst hiding behind ulterior motives instead of admitting there is any POV being enforced in these cases. The vast majority of these students are not protesting against Israel's going after hamas as the current title implies, they are protesting for Palestinian human rights, period. I agree with GraziePrego; 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses Jester6482 (talk) 01:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Support, however, some of these university campaigns started in 2023. Starklinson (talk) 02:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose United States shouldn't be mentioned in the title, given these protests aren't just local, but are happening in several countries. Nfitz (talk) 22:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Support I would support changing the article to "2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on university campuses in the United States" by simply removing the April in the title. This way it is separate from Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States and Israel-Hamas war protests. BootsED (talk) 02:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Support change to 2024 pro-Palestinian student protests. The current title is way too lengthy. These are (mostly?) student protests, that became prominent recently (i.e. this year (April would be more precise, but there is no need for so much precision and it is likely to continue in the next month, i.e. tomorrow)) and in support of Palestine. Hence the title suggestion. Niokog (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Although protests are predominantly student-based, faculty members have also been involved, as well as "outsiders", so not convinced this would be an accurate title to reflect the content. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

In that case, maybe "student" should be replaced with something like "college". Niokog (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

The problem with college is that it's too broad a term; "In most of the world, a college may be a high school or secondary school", hence why university campuses is used at present. The U.S. definition is completely different from the rest of the world, as it's not even widely accepted that a university is a college. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there has been either college or high school protests here. Simply the senior institutions. Nfitz (talk) 18:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Support Pretty clearly there are plenty of instances of such protests occurring outside the US, so 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses is much much more appropriate. GraziePrego (talk) 08:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Support per the reasons already given by others in this discussion - most obviously, the fact that the protests have lasted beyond April. Professor Penguino (talk) 07:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Issues with move

@CommunityNotesContributor: As an involved user, you cannot close a move request on your own. Please revert it, or I will do so for you. Let the discussion take its course. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That's news to me, where in guidelines does it say that an involved editor can not move a page based on request? As far as I understand based on WP:RM: "Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves". Personally I didn't see this as a WP:NOTRM or WP:PCM issue, and it wasn't an WP:RM#T. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Revert if you feel the need to, and re-open the discussion, but otherwise I think the discussion did take it's course — specifically directly into the title the article was moved into. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

CommunityNotesContributor, to answer your question, WP:RMCI#Conflicts of interest states that involved editors aren't allowed to close requested moves, which is also touched on at WP:RM#Closing a requested move. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 14:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@CommunityNotesContributor, ElijahPepe: I've snow closed this discussion as moved. Seeing as I'm uninvolved, I hope there are no issues with this? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 16:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The issue was not with the snow close, but CommunityNotesContributor's involvement. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

A new page on global protests on university campuses

Unaware of this ongoing discussion, I created a new page on global protests on university campuses. I am not sure why the unique developments in April in US universities should be moved to a global title. I oppose such a move, rather think we can also have a stand alone page on the global one. --Mhhossein ^talk 20:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

There is general consensus for a move. WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 21:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose such a move, as this article from The New York Times states, "Experts say the partisan political context in Washington is a driver behind the spread of protests at American universities even as overseas campuses have stayed relatively calm" and that "campus protests overseas have been sporadic and smaller, and none have started a wider student movement." With this in mind, having a smaller section on the page for "spread to other countries" is appropriate. BootsED (talk) 23:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request - UT Austin

I would like to request that the following material and sources, or some variation of it, be incorporated into the "In Texas" subsection, specifically the paragraph discussing the protests at UT Austin. This can replace some outdated information, such as that discussing the arrests on campus:

On April 24th 2024 non-violent protests were planned on the University of Texas at Austin campus by the Palestine Solidarity Committee, a registered student organization at the university. The protests drew a large crowd, which was later dispersed by Austin Police Department officers and Texas Department of Public Safety troopers, who were there as the request of the university and Governor Greg Abbott, who claimed the protests were anti-Semitic and unauthorized. 57 individuals were arrested for criminal trespassing, all of whom were later released without charge by mid-day April 26th. The law enforcement presence and subsequent arrests at the protests have since drawn criticism from both students and professors at the university.

Durchbruchmüller (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Durchbruchmüller (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks like an overlap with paragraph 3 of the Texas section. You may want to consider ... specify[ing] what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it, i.e. show the current version of paragraph 3 and what you propose replacing it by. If you want to remove other people's words/references, then it will either need to be obvious why your proposed text is better, or else you will need to explain why you have proposed the changes. Boud (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

The Texas subsection was much, much smaller when I originally suggested this edit. But even looking at it just now, there is sourced information in my suggestion that more up to date than some of the article text. Specifically the fact that criminal charges were dropped against all 57 individuals arrested at the UT Austin campus. Durchbruchmüller 20:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

At this moment, outside our dorm windows, UT is experiencing another mass protest today where students are even camping out on the main tower lawn. Could this be added to the page? UnrealJett (talk) 21:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@UnrealJett: If you can find a source, sure. On a side note, would you be able and willing to take a picture of the protest to illustrate the Texas portion of this article? It's fine if you can't, though. Thanks. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I have a lot of pictures personally taken and I can give you two or three to choose from if you'd like. I would really like others to see what's going on on our side. Irisoptical (talk) 10:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Irisoptical: Hi, that would be great, thanks.

Feel free to upload them at c:Special:UploadWizard. If you're more comfortable with social media sites, you can post it to Twitter/Reddit/whatever with an accompanying message saying "I agree to publish this image under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International licence."

Please review Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials#What_it_means_to_donate_material_to_Wikipedia. lmk if you run into any difficulties. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 12:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

aweomse Irisoptical (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Requesting editor was blocked for sockpuppetry. — Newslinger talk 22:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

References

The "April 2024 Israel-Hamas War Protests" Map

Hey all,

With regards to this map, I think we should somehow indicate for the readers what the difference is between the red icons, blue icons, and the green icons (what do the differing colour labels even mean)? At present, the labels are not explained even when you click on or enlarge the map.

In addition, I noticed that we mention encampments at the University of British Columbia, Washington State University, Whitman College, and Evergreen State College in the main body of the article, but for some reason there are not any flags within Washington State nor British Columbia indicated on the "April 2024 Israel–Hamas war protests on university campuses map".

I'm not familiar with how the data is inputted and populated into these maps. Could someone either share how to edit the map with me, or alternatively, add it themselves? Cheers, Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I've been doing most of the editing on the map. This map's data is stored on Wikimedia Commons here, while the display is on Wikipedia. The green represents colleges with encampments (aside from Columbia) and the blue represents colleges that had other protests. I had written that in Wikimedia Commons, but didn't realize it didn't display that on Wikipedia. I just edited the template on Wikipedia and so it should display the key now.

As for the colleges that don't appear on the map, I think that just has to do with a delay in the map display. I noticed a few times that I would add an item to the map, but it wouldn't display that point unless the map was enlarged. If you click the map to enlarge it, it should display the up-to-date info.

Hope this helps! TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 21:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Great work, it's already much more clear. Thanks for editing it. Flip^andFlopped ツ 23:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Great map! Although might I suggest making the pins smaller dots? As many locations are so close together, especially in the Northeast, a lot of them overlap and lose their utility without zooming in. Having small, different colored circles/dots, I believe, would greatly help with legibility. BootsED (talk) 01:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I like the idea but I'm not sure how to change the size of the points. If anyone reading knows how to change the size of the points could you do that? TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 17:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Marker sizes are already set to small, not sure what else we could do. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 13:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Anti-Zionist in first sentence

The MOS:LEADSENTENCE was recently updated to: "On April 17, 2024, a series of anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian Israel–Hamas war protests began on university campuses in the United States." diff

For context, the quote in the reference: "Pro-Palestinian student activists say their movement is anti-Zionist but not antisemitic" This comes from Columbia protesters, that aren't representative of all the protests for starters. refarchive

So should we be describing all these protests as anti-Zionist in the opening sentence based on protesters from Columbia's opinion?

We could do with more sources to back up this description in a non-ref bomb type way at minimum. It doesn't seem accurate to label all the protests as anti-Zionist, which is why you don't predominantly see reliable sources referencing the protests as such.

"organized by anti-Zionist groups" would be more accurate in my opinion, with suitable RS to cover those claims, as well as better suited to the MOS:OPEN for context sake and to avoid an overloaded first sentence. Thoughts?

PS - @BootsED was there any reason you reverted the cite bundle I created in the diff reference above? The reference for anti-Zionist isn't even an accusation of antisemitism either, it's a discussion and defence of it, so at present it's WP:REFBOMB territory, hence why I excluded it when creating the ref bundle. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 15:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Community!

As to the cite bundle, it was not my intention to revert it. (My mistake!) I actually think it's great and thanked you for the edit.

Regarding the anti-Zionist claim, a couple of sources in the media have referred to the protests as anti-Zionist. This article from Reuters goes into how "decades-old anti-Zionism advocacy groups that protest Israel's military occupation have chapters across the country that have been key to protests on other campuses." We also have multiple news sources describing how protestors on other campuses have said things such as Globalize the Intifada and espouse anti-Zionist phrases and demands. Furthermore, the protests are part of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement as cited by the page, and which the movement self-identifies as anti-Zionist. With this in mind, I included anti-Zionist in the lead, although your proposal of "organized by anti-Zionist groups" also is accurate. It was my reasoning that putting "anti-Zionist" would be more succinct and cover both the groups, phrases and demands used by students at the protests. BootsED (talk) 16:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Another follow up, it is my understanding that the NYTimes article that was removed from the cite bundle should be included in it, as it goes quite in depth over the claims of antisemitism levied against the protestors by a variety of groups and individuals. BootsED (talk) 17:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Where specifically in that article does it reference protesters criticised for antisemitism? Also the second reference used, [8]archive is an opinion piece by a Columbia professor. Per WP:NYT this comes under WP:RSOPINION, hence should only be included with WP:INTEXT. More problematic though is the extended quote from the author is: "I find it very hard to imagine that they are antisemitic". That's definitely not criticising the protests as antisemitic at all and should be removed as is false attribution. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Community,

In regards to your second comment about the opinion piece, I never wanted to state in wiki voice that the protests are antisemitic, but that "several protests have been criticized for" antisemitism. Not that all protests or protestors are antisemitic. In the same piece you point out, it is true that he says he finds it hard to believe that all protesters are antisemitic, but right under that he says "some of the rhetoric amid the protests crosses it" and describes how not all have been peaceful and some have specifically targeted Jewish students. In the other pieces provided in that cite bundle, more specific claims of antisemitism have been made. I agree, that potentially writing something along the lines of, "In an opinion piece for The New York Times, Columbia professor John McWhorter wrote that in regards to protestors, he found it "very hard to imagine that they are antisemitic" but that there is "a fine line between questioning Israel’s right to exist and questioning Jewish people’s right to exist" and that "some of the rhetoric amid the protests crosses it." This I think can deliver some more nuance to the statement that you pointed out.

In regards to the NYTimes article Universities Face an Urgent Question: What Makes a Protest Antisemitic? it discusses the claims of antisemitism multiple times throughout, including mentioning this incident that should probably also be added to the cite bundle.

BootsED (talk) 18:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Per this edit [9], I've added in this article, removed the opinion piece, and added in this one(archive) as well. If anything, this article would be better as a counter to the claims. I.e. "the protesters say they are anti-Zionist but not antisemitic." I otherwise think are only so many articles from the same publisher to add to a cite bundle. Adding more references from the same source doesn't add any extra weight to the claim imo. Usually cite bundles are made up of references from different sources for specifically this reason it seems. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That sounds perfectly reasonable! Thank you for your insight and work on this page. BootsED (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Great. I've added moved the "anti-Zionist" description from the first sentence to the opening paragraph regarding the Columbia protests: "The protests emerged in response to mass arrests at the Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupation, where protesters sought for the university to divest from Israel, as part of a movement organized by anti-Zionist groups", given your reply that "your proposal of "organized by anti-Zionist groups" also is accurate". Both Reuters and NYT appear to attribute this to Columbia, as opposed to the broader protests, so for now I'd say it's due related to this only. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Could we come back to the claims of "calls for the destruction of Israel"? The sources all document antisemitism, but I didn't see anything specifically for the destruction of a Israel, hence tags added for now. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Re-added the reference. It was for some reason previously removed. BootsED (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I see this was part of the ref bundle, but better with it's own quote and ref it seems. I've added WP:INTEXT for this claim in the body in order to WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, as this is the opinion of one U.S. representative. As with all other very specific opinions documented in response, I don't see it as lead worthy. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Once I have more time I will get some additional references for that claim. BootsED (talk) 10:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2024

Comrade Toaster (talk) 03:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Protests were held and encampments were established at the University of Wisconsin–Madison and University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee on April 29.

Edit to: On April 29, a protest was held, and an encampment was established at the University of Wisconsin-Madison by the University of Wisconsin-Madison Chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine and the Young Democratic Socialists of America. University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee established their encampment on the same day.

Sources: https://www.instagram.com/p/C6NXFnTgxRb/ (Joint instagram post by the protest's organizers which woudld turn into the encampment)

https://www.wortfm.org/what-happened-last-night-at-the-uw-student-encampment/

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Edit Request: Expand on Law Enforcement and Possible Army National Guard response to College Protests and Counter-Response by Protesters.

Edit Request: Expand on Law Enforcement and Possible Army National Guard response to College Protests and Counter-Response by Protesters.

1) What tactics did police/LEOs use in response to protestors? How they treated peaceful obedient protestors, violent protesters, non-violent civil disobedient protesters, the press, and neutral bystanders.

2) What tactics did protesters (and possibly counter-protesters) use against police or other governmental authorities or university authorities? For example, the California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt (Cal Poly Humboldt) barricade where police were pushed back and had to withdraw until a later time. DC Police declining George Washington University President's request to remove or forcibly remove peaceful protesters (see Washington, D.C. section for more details).

3) Politicians talking about or threatening to call in the U.S. Army National Guard to quell protests. Historical taboo of deploying the National Guard at college protests in the aftermath of the Kent State shootings at Kent State University and Jackson State killings at Jackson State University during the Vietnam War.

Police / Law Enforcement

Gaza protesters occupying California university building arrested in police crackdown (The Guardian): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/30/protesters-arrested-cal-poly-humboldt

D.C. police rejected GWU's plea to sweep out university protesters (The Washington Post): https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/04/26/dc-police-george-washington-university-protests/

Lawmakers question D.C. police for not moving on GW protesters (The Washington Post): https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/04/30/congress-dc-police-pro-palestinian-encampment/

Crackdown or compromise? A tale of two US campus protests (BBC News): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68909953

Do Democrats want the Columbia campus protests and encampment to get shut down by the Texas National Guard? / The Democrats Are Wasting the Campus Protests (Slate): https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/04/columbia-campus-israel-protests-texas-police-crackdowns-democrats.html

'Decisions Under Fire': Campuses Try a Mix of Tactics as Protests Grow (The New York Times): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/27/us/college-protests-police-response.html

Campus protests: Hundreds arrested at universities across US as Gaza demonstrations continue (BBC News): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68915021

US colleges where students have been arrested over anti-Israel protests (New York Post): https://nypost.com/2024/04/30/us-news/us-colleges-where-students-have-been-arrested-over-anti-israel-protests/

Free Speech Advocates Urge Restraint From Colleges Amid Protests (Forbes): https://www.forbes.com/sites/meglittlereilly/2024/04/30/free-speech-advocates-urge-restraint-from-colleges-amid-protests/?sh=4cc72aeb61e8

U.S. Military / National Guard

Senators Wary of Sending National Guard to Quell Campus Protests (Bloomberg): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-28/senators-wary-of-sending-national-guard-to-quell-campus-protests

Why Republicans think the National Guard is a solution to pro-Palestinian protests (MSNBC): https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/columbia-protests-mike-johnson-national-guard-rcna149329

Sen. Kaine says sending National Guard to college campus protests would be ‘very, very bad idea’ (The Hill): https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4627388-tim-kaine-national-guard-college-campus-palestine-protests-bad-idea/

Johnson demands Biden send in National Guard during raucous Columbia visit (Politico): https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/24/mike-johnson-columbia-national-guard-00154199

At Columbia, Johnson Suggests Military Could be Needed to Quell Gaza Protests (The New York Times): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/us/politics/johnson-columbia-university-president-protests.html

InfoWiki01 (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Edit Request: University of Utah sources

I wanted to add some additional sources to the protest currently occurring in Utah. Original reporting from local students:

• https://dailyutahchronicle.com/2024/04/30/mecha-protest-night-2/
• https://dailyutahchronicle.com/2024/04/30/u-president-taylor-randall-releases-statement-on-monday-nights-pro-palestine-encampment/
• https://dailyutahchronicle.com/2024/04/29/u-students-encampment-solidarity-with-palestine/

The main group organizing the rally and encampment I think:

• https://www.instagram.com/mechadeuofu/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperContraptionGuy (talk • contribs) 04:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request: Florida State University Update

It seems as though 5 protestors got arrested on FSU's campus encampment Monday morning. Judging by further news articles that have come out since the original source was used, it seems the sprinkler incident caused the protest to simply relocate and continue, not ending it.

• Article showing protest going throughout Thursday [10]https://www.wctv.tv/2024/04/25/tallahassee-students-democratic-society-protest-israel-hamas-war-fsus-campus/

• Arrest article [11]https://www.wctv.tv/2024/04/30/protester-reportedly-handcuffed-florida-state-amid-nationwide-demonstrations-against-israel-hamas-war/

• More about sprinklers https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/04/30/desantis-on-campuses-after-arrests-they-turn-the-sprinklers-on-so-thats-just-how-its-gonna-be/ KapnKetchup (talk) 05:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Pro-Israel Counter-protesters + Article Title Change, accusations of espionage, doxxing, and advocating/lobbying for warrantless surveillance of college students by Pro-Israel groups.

Pro-Israel Counter-protesters + Article Title Change

We need to flush out some more information about Pro-Israel counter-protesters and also change the name of the article to "2024 Israel-Palestine protests on university campuses."

Accusations of Espionage on college campuses by U.S.-based Pro-Israel group on behalf of Israeli government, intelligence services and foreign affairs.

Deploying spies on campus in the US: The 'Israel on Campus Coalition': https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/deploying-spies-on-campus-in-the-us--the--israel-on-campus-c

Israel’s War on American Student Activists: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-spying-american-student-activists/

Accusations of Advocating/Lobbying for the warrantless surveillance of Pro-Palestine college students

Pro-Israel Groups Pushed for Warrantless Spying on Protesters: https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-04-26-pro-israel-groups-warrantless-spying-protesters/

InfoWiki01 (talk) 01:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 13:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Providing historical context

There appears to be little historical context in this article, to include (1) a brief history of Israel and its forced migration of Palestinians and (2) the history of US higher education, its long-standing role in supporting establishment causes (genocide, slavery, wars, global climate change), and the history of student movements to counter oppression (the Vietnam War, South African apartheid and divestment). Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources directly relating this to the current protests? The background isn't supposed to be a history of the Israel-Palestine conflict nor the history of higher education. There are otherwise references to Protests of 1968 that were available from RS. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Keene State College to be added to the Wikimap of protesting colleges

Students at Keene State College in Keene New Hampshire organized a protest and it must be added to the Wikimap of protesting colleges with a blue marker. Quertie420 (talk) 14:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Encampment beginning at La Trobe University, Australia next Tuesday, 7 May

Hi, there's not currently a WP:RS for it, but La Trobe University will be holding an encampment from 7 May to 9 May (I've been told there's a potential to extend it, but its not a large uni such as University of Melbourne or University of Sydney so there might not be as many people to sustain it for weeks as they are doing. Here is an instagram post announcing it, there should be WP:RS in the future. MarkiPoli (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

References

"Occupying campuses"

First sentence of the second paragraph of the lead section contains the phrase "began occupying campuses" when it more accurately should read "began occupying spaces on campuses". Current phrasing implies students physically occupied entire campuses in protest. Gorvus the thumb (talk) 03:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Protests at SUNY New Paltz

At Suny New Paltz, a peaceful protest was forcibly broken up by riot police after they refused to disperse:

https://www.timesunion.com/hudsonvalley/news/article/suny-new-paltz-palestine-encampment-arrests-19436848.php

At least one person injured: https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/cbs-6-speaks-with-new-paltz-student-hurt-in-college-protests-gaza-pro-palestine-israel-hamas-war-encampment-injury-camp-protesting-suny-campus- Wikiwikiwawa (talk) 13:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Google

Please let me know which article of Wikipedia this https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/technology/google-firing-israeli-cloud-contract.html news should be added to.-4Zion2Do (talk) 20:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

That ref is already used in Project Nimbus#Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Boud (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request: Washington, D.C. section -- University of Maryland, College Park (UMD) missing from DC section + MPD response to GWU President + other changes [Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2024]

Change the following sentence:

"On April 25, students from Georgetown University and George Washington University established a joint encampment ... ."

"Protesters were joined by Howard University, George Mason University, University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and Gallaudet University students."

To: "On April 25, students from Georgetown University and George Washington University established a joint encampment in Foggy Bottom ... ."

"Protesters at Foggy Bottom were later on joined by Howard University, George Mason University, American University, University of Maryland, College Park, Gallaudet University, and University of Maryland, Baltimore County students."

Here are additional sources for this change:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eight-colleges-join-together-to-protest-the-war-in-gaza-at-george-washington-university_n_662aa8fde4b0bd041d771f10 .

https://www.ajc.com/news/dc-police-refuse-universitys-pleas-to-remove-protesters/G3KTS5QXLZB5ROFGGENK7JCTGA/

https://gwhatchet.com/2024/04/25/live-coverage-pro-palestinian-demonstrators-erect-tent-encampment-in-u-yard/

-- Also, let's add more information about why the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia (MPD) rejected George Washington University President's request to remove the protesters. Some of the sources that have already been cited, plus others we can cite, say that MPD/D.C. officials rejected the request because the protesters [(at least at the time)] were protesting peacefully and police did not want to antagonize them nor recreate the same optics surrounding the Teargassing and Clearing of Peaceful Protesters at Lafayette Square during the Donald Trump photo op at St. John's Church. --

[Note to Talk Page Readers: American University (AU) and the University of Maryland, College Park (UMD) are mentioned twice in the whole article because they had protests on their campus but later on joined the joint DMV SJP encampment at GW's campus in Foggy Bottom. In UMD's case, its on-campus protest is mentioned in the Maryland section while its joint protest at the Foggy Bottom, Washington, D.C. encampment should be mentioned in the Washington, D.C. section. Also keep in mind that University of Maryland, College Park (UMD) and University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC) are two separate universities with similar names that joined the Foggy Bottom protest (this may have confused an editor which may be the reason why it was omitted).]

InfoWiki01 (talk) 00:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Being mindful of the history of student protest

It's good to see so much effort included in this article. I hope that in documenting and editing this phenomenon that we do not lose sight of history, much of which has been lost through questionable (uncritical) scholarship and selective editing. I am particularly amazed at how poorly student protest and other forms of student resistance have been documented in Wikipedia, but perhaps I shouldn't have. Student protests in the 1920s and 1930s, for example, have barely been examined, despite their historic role in US civil rights. What happened in between those years and the 1960s is made invisible. Even student and faculty resistance from the 1960s to the present is poorly documented. How this article is edited, and possibly included in higher-level articles on Higher education in the United States and History of higher education in the United States will be interesting, especially if the events are part of a broader popular movement. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources to reference? Have you seen the Analysis section? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 21:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and I appreciate the work that's been done. Let's see what this article looks like in 3 months and 3 years. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 23:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

If you have sufficient high-quality sources to create an article on US student protests of the 1920s and 1930s and their notable role in US civil rights, then please go ahead. Student protests in October 1964 in Sudan and police repression evolved into a general strike and the October 1964 Revolution, the first of three protest-triggered revolutions (2nd = 1985 Sudanese coup d'état; 3rd = 2018/2019 Sudanese revolution), but the first is only barely covered in a few paragraphs of Wikipedia. There are plenty of Wikipedia articles on significant content that nobody has had the time for or found the sources for - yet. Boud (talk) 12:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 May 2024

Additional schools have been added to the protest list. In Illinois, we have protests at the University of Chicago, Northwestern University, and the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, the final of which experienced multiple arrests today. I am requesting to add these schools to the list Hsmorgane (talk) 07:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 07:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 University of Virginia pro-Palestinian campus occupation

2017 Unite the Right rally compared to student protestors nationwide, and in this community especially

• 2024 University of Virginia pro-Palestinian campus occupation

I just started this article. One of the weird aspects of this protest was that Donald Trump had been saying that pro-Palestinian demonstrators were the same as the hostile actors in the Unite the Right rally. Bluerasberry (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Separate article for the May 1st Pro-Israeli attack at UCLA?

Since it was a notable event in the campus protests across the United States. There is also so much more information not included in the section of the UCLA article. I feel like The New York Times did a great job depicting the timeline of events (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/us/ucla-protests-encampment-violence.html), which can be used as a reference. Seeing as the governor of California and the UC president are expressing desire for an investigation of campus police and the LAPD, we could see much more information in the coming months. I also posted this on the UCLA campus occupation article's talk page. Thoughts or suggestions? Kokaynegeesus (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Given there is already the 2024 University of California, Los Angeles pro-Palestinian campus occupation article, I don't see this event needing to be split from there per WP:SIZERULE: Length alone does not justify division or trimming.. What's your reason your wanting to split and not improve the current article about UCLA campus occupation? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 20:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Articles for certain individual encampments

I already posted this on the List of protests article here, but I figure I'd repost here.

I see that aside from Columbia, articles have been written for the encampments at Portland State, Sciences Po, UCLA, and University of Oregon. Are there other individual encampments that have gotten enough coverage to have their own seperate articles? Personally, I think USC, Cal Poly Humboldt, UT Austin, and maybe a couple others have enough notability for articles, but I'd like to hear what others think. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 May 2024 (2)

Add "At Fordham University, fifteen students including law students were arrested in front of the Leon Lowenstein Center on W 60th St the morning of May 1st." Laughtermaster (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 May 2024

Change the short description from "Series of war protests on US campuses" to "Series of war protests on campuses in North America, Europe, and Australia" because this is no longer just in the United States. Mariwlqs (talk) 03:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Asia, Africa and South America too. Kire1975 (talk) 06:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

UCSD police action

Should material be added about today's police raid at UCSD on their encampment? Their encampment had been entirely peaceful with no incidents between protesters and outside individuals, and yet, after needed expansion of the encampment due to overcrowding due to the university canceling the annual music festival due to the protest and people joining the protest in solidarity who otherwise would have been at said music festival, the university cited this expansion, as well as the encampment refusing entry to police and fire marshalls, as an act of aggression and sent in armed riot police and border patrol, arrested 40 students and 24 non-students, and dismantled the encampment, and the chancellor basically shut the entire west campus down, forced all classes online-only, and instituted a state of police martial law for the following 25 hours. 68.8.84.138 (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Please add what you have, with sources, on the list page here. I've already added some, but not as much as you have. Kire1975 (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Some of the relevant information comes from administrative emails to students. How would I cite these? 68.8.84.138 (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yemeni Public

At the end of the other countries section it says "This was met with ridicule from the Yemeni public." but that's not in the source at all. Anyone with permissions wanna change that? Gabecube45 (talk) 17:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done by an astute editor during copy editing in this edit CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Effects - divestments?

As this article is now evolving to a more encyclopedic format, one of the key questions a reader will ask is "To what degree did the protests lead to divestment from Israel?" At least some US universities have to some degree accepted this demand by the protestors. Some of this info is probably in the Reactions section, but would be worth a section either in the Overview section or as a subsection of Responses / United States. Boud (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I never found must content on this, but slowly it's surfacing, even if in a very vague manner [12]. I think it'd make sure sense as a sub-section of Overview, as an Effects section, rather than in Response (which is broadly more opinion based than fact based). CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Overview/Effects sounds reasonable. That ref states "Brown, Northwestern and Rutgers" agreements as "standing out". A couple of other refs adding depth to that and that look usable:

• Brown: https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2024/04/brown-university-to-vote-on-divestment-at-october-corporation-meeting-encampment-to-be-voluntarily-cleared
• Rutgers: https://dailytargum.com/article/2024/05/encampment-ends-peacefully-despite-police-presence-students-reach-deal-with
• Minnesota: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/05/02/university-of-minnesota-protests-divestment-agreement
• Glasgow apparently has had divestment (in this context and other ethical contexts) ongoing for a long time (refs = ...?)

Boud (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

• https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/05/06/trinity-college-dublin-to-divest-from-investments-in-israeli-companies-that-feature-on-a-united-nations-blacklist

Boud (talk) 12:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

• Al Jazeera English has a 7 May list "Which universities have agreed to specific student demands?": https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/7/pro-palestine-protests-how-some-universities-reached-deals-with-students

Boud (talk) 17:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for that last reference, that covers it well, so I made a start on an Effects section. Possibly it should be renamed to Impact though. Will add content from Irish Times when I find a moment. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to feed me any other reliable sources to improve the section. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Add Netherlands and Belgium to the list of "other countries" in infobox

Please change the list of other countries in the infobox from:

Other countries

• Argentina
• Australia
• Canada
• Egypt
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• India
• Ireland
• Italy
• Japan
• Kuwait
• Lebanon
• Mexico
• Spain
• United Kingdom
• Yemen

to

Other countries

• Argentina
• Australia
• Belgium
• Canada
• Egypt
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• India
• Ireland
• Italy
• Japan
• Kuwait
• Lebanon
• Mexico
• The Netherlands
• Spain
• United Kingdom
• Yemen

Source: [13]

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 07:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I added Belgium and the Netherlands to List_of_pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses_in_2024#Other_countries. I'm not sure how adding just them to the infobox on this article is going to improve anything. Thanks for the new source. Kire1975 (talk) 08:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Looks like they've been added to the infobox. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Section on student expulsions and due process?

Should there be a section on student expulsions and due process? [14]https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/05/06/college-protests-suspensions-expulsion-arrests/ Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If there is enough content sure. Otherwise it should probably go into the Participants section. One reference doesn't look like it'd be enough for an entire section though. Do you have more sources available? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

CNBC is another source. They report 100 students being suspended. [15]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/07/college-protests-some-students-may-also-face-financial-setbacks.html Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

And the NY Times reported on suspensions and expulsions as an administrative tactic. [16]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/us/politics/colleges-protests-israel-war.html Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 May 2024

• What I think should be changed: Change all instances of "Israel-Hamas war protests", such as the one in the map caption, to "pro-Palestinian protests".
• Why it should be changed: Many protestors would say that they are not protesting the Israel-Hamas war, but rather the genocide and war crimes committed by the IDF and the occupation of Palestine. Further, the article title already uses "pro-Palestinian" instead of "Israel-Hamas war", and the rest of the article should be changed to align with that.

Amyipdev (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The Israel-Hamas war is a biased frame that favors the Palestinian genocide. Israel is a nation state while Hamas is a political party. Most of the casualties have little or no affiliation with Hamas. Do we know what percentage of US protesters support Hamas? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Disagree. From searching the term, the references to Israel–Hamas war include "as a part of wider Israel–Hamas war protests" in the lead and in the background, which is very much accurate. Do you have other examples I'm missing? Pro-Palestinian protests is otherwise references numerous times, more so than Israel–Hamas war protests. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. At this point, I think a lot of readers would have trouble considering "Israel-Hamas War" as neutral framing, no matter how many NYT articles say otherwise. Snokalok (talk) 10:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: This talk page has been archived. If you still want the requested edit to be made, Please create a new request at the current talk page of the article. Shadow311 (talk) 15:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Can we make a table of universities, number of faculty arrests, student arrests, etc?

I think it'd be useful for organizing information Snokalok (talk) 23:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. That would be a valuable addition. But maybe it should be in the other article that lists the protests? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Could I get a wikilink to that article? Snokalok (talk) 03:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

It's List of pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in 2024. CNN has one of the best lists at the moment [17]. Given the size of that article, a list of arrests could well be a standalone article. Something like "List of pro-Palestinian protest arrests on university campuses in 2024", or it could fit here for now I think. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Vanderbilt University Occupation in Background Section?

In this chronology, the Vanderbilt University 20 hour-occupation, which involved multiple arrests, suspensions, and expulsions seems to be ignored. It's mentioned in a NY Times article that discusses administrative tactics. According to the NYT "Vanderbilt University issued what are believed to be the first student expulsions over protests related to the Israel-Hamas conflict." While the NY Times did not tell the full story from a student perspective, it does seem to be important. [18]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/us/politics/colleges-protests-israel-war.html Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 01:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done added to Background, thanks for info and reference. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2024

Please add this:- It was claimed that Rockefeller Brothers Fund, WESPAC, George Soros and Howard Horowitz were funding the protests through the Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and others but these were denied by the foundations of Soros. DieAchtung (talk) 19:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done If correct, this doesn't seem directly relevant to the protests, only to some of the participating groups. I suggest you create this request at the relevant articles: Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP); for inclusion there if the information is accurate and considered relevant. Also WP:DAILYMAIL and WP:NYPOST (where the claims originate from) are far from reliable sources CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: This talk page has been archived. If you still want the requested edit to be made, Please create a new request at the current talk page of the article. Shadow311 (talk) 15:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Request title change to include the word "college"

I suggest that the title be renamed "2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university and college campuses." This new title would be more inclusive, and it may also be easier to find using search engines. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 13:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Please look up the word College and understand the differing meanings between the U.S. and the rest of the world. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What's your point? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

College doesn't mean universities most of the time, the term in the U.S. is different to the rest of the world, so the title would be inaccurate. It mainly describes further and secondary education. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 09:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking about people using search engines. Adding the word "college" could increase the number who find the article. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Images of arrests?

Are there any images in Wikimedia that show campus arrests that could be included? I thought this Time article was outstanding in terms of photojournalism. https://time.com/6975991/campus-protests-student-photojournalists-cover-story/ --Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 16:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Counter protests

Should there be mention of counter-protests, like this one at the University of Mississippi? [19]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/06/university-of-mississippi-palestine-counter-protest-investigation Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to let you know, now that I've established the Impacts section, it's on my radar to include a counter-protests section as is very much due. If you you could provide any more RS it'd be much appreciated. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Here's another story about right wing counter protesters and right-wing activists infiltrating the pro-Palestinian side. [20]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/10/college-campus-protests-far-right Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Why was "student protest" removed from see also section?

Why was the student protest link removed from see also section? The US already has such a myopic understanding of the situation in terms of time and space. The media can only go back to Columbia University 1968, if that, to make comparisons. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 16:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't remove this from the article but we typically only include articles in a "See also" section if they're not already included in the body of the article. Student protest is linked in the body of the article. ElKevbo (talk) 22:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

So how do readers make connections between the present and the relevant past if it relies only on the memories of those who are living? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 23:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 May 2024

In the Violence against protesters section, add kettling 4.39.220.106 (talk) 19:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 01:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 09:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Add citation need after the protest "led by anti-Zionist groups"

As the title suggest, the framing of the pro-palestine protestors as anti-zionist is misleading and there are no secondary sources supporting that's was the reason for the protestors 212.29.194.49 (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

References 11 and 12 both have quotes to support the label EvergreenFir (talk) 17:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

The headline of 9 sources disagree with it and labeled them as "pro-palestine", not ant-zionist, this is clearly not how the protestors wish to be labeled and in face a "white wash" label of the protest. 212.29.194.49 (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

This is why in the lead it says "led by", elaborated in the body, not that the protests are inherently anit-Zionist, see discussion here: Anti-Zionist in first sentence. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 01:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Faculty Encampment at New School

Worth including in this article? [21]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/nyregion/new-school-faculty-protest-encampment.html Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 18:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)