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Introducing my parents/family to being a wikipedian

Hello! i have been a wikipedian for a while now and it's fun but my parents don't know yet, they use WP but don't like the editing aspect, my brother uses it the most and once said he would never have the guts to edit WP articles in case he makes a mistake, and my other brother doesn't think much of what he calls "wikifolk", he would be the hardest.

What would be a good way introduce WP maintainence to my parents? maybe sending them the WP:CANTBREAKIT? how do i explain to them that's its not all new articles and major edits? that you are free to fix any little mistake you see and revert vandalism? i'm a photog and my parents do know that so maybe i should introduce them to the commons first.

Or should i just straight up tell them i patrol and edit WP?

OGWFP (talk) 21:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP Well, if you wanted to tell them I’m sure they wouldn’t mind, as Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. You may wish to tell them you edit, although not necessarily tell them the pages or your username? I personally have told people in real life I edit Wikipedia articles although I don’t tell people my username as I like to keep it separate. Blanchey (talk) 23:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP And make sure that each person editing uses their own, individual account name. If any of you share a computer or other device, like a tablet or cell phone, everyone should log out of WP when they leave the computer (don't stay signed in and let anyone else edit using your usernane). Good luck! David10244 (talk) 06:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP Hi. Your family should be aware of Wikipedia content disclaimer. One of the downsides of Wikipedia is that Wikipedia is not censored. Sorry. You can also learn how to hide an image (see Help:Options to hide an image). If you see something offensive or disturbing, you can even avoid visiting the article. When you visit an article, there is no warning template nor a rating system. There is a warning template on the talk page of the article. Cwater1 (talk) 05:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cwater1: are you sure you posted this message in the correct section? The original question has nothing to do with concerns about how they feel about seeing certain material, a desire to avoid certain images, or the general idea of content-quality. DMacks (talk) 06:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I know what the conversation was. I was pointing out a fact. Now I think about it, it was pointless what I said.Cwater1 (talk) 09:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @OGWFP. Here is a better reply. You can ignore what I said above. Anyways, there is nothing wrong with introducing your family to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is made possible by contributors like you.Cwater1 (talk) 09:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

lol bro they'll be fine trust me Jondvdsn1 (talk) 13:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I would go ahead and bring up the subject. You can then address any specific concerns they may have about you editing. Draw up a list of all the positive things that you can gain from it and present them to your parents. I can think of far worse activities on the Web than this one. Good luck!!Rogermx (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has ups and downs. we should focus more on the ups and not the downs.Cwater1 (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Renaming John Henry Peyton to John Howe Peyton

 Courtesy link: John Henry Peyton

Before my wrist surgery (and although the very competent local genealogist was out sick that day), I started a new article about a long-dead Prince William County, Virginia delegate whom I thought was named John Henry Peyton, per a post-2000 published Peyton family genealogy at that library (which unfortunately did not give his birth and death dates). I expected to write a second article about his cousin (both sharing the same paternal grandfather) John Howe Peyton, who served in the Virginia Senate representing Augusta and Rockbridge counties significantly to the west a couple of decades later. However, when the genealogist got back, he pointed me to a family biography available on Project Gutenberg which demonstrated that John Howe Peyton actually held both legislative positions. So I revised the article briefly one-handed to include the correct refs and mention the confusion. For what it's worth, while that long-ago published family biography does not meet modern research standards (i.e. gets both dates of legislative service slightly wrong), the wikipedia article's title needs to be changed to meet the revised infobox and contents generally. I'm still trying to track down John Henry Peyton's vital statistics (his index entry in the recent Washington family genealogy incorrectly cites 2 pages or missing genealogical entries and the Virginia Historical Society library/archive has no index entry for him), but it's clear to me he doesn't otherwise meet wikipedia's notability standards. On the other hand, John Howe Peyton does meet those criteria, and I plan to work on the article when the genealogy library opens Saturday, even if still typing one-handed. Thanks for your help. And sorry for the confusion.Jweaver28 (talk) 22:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Jweaver28, I've moved "John Henry Peyton" to John Howe Peyton -- a minor chore that I think could have been accomplished with just one hand. I do note that the article is prefaced with an announcement that it's being reworked; I hope that it will be augmented, because as it is I can't see how Peyton is significant. (Yes, he held a series of posts, but what did he propose, how did he vote, what did he do, etc, while he held them?) -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

My two cents is too much genealogy about family members. David notMD (talk) 04:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Hoary. I thought I had changed the article's name when I made the postsurgical article changes, but clearly did not. Then yesterday evening's changes got stuck/lost in a display driver update, and today proved a bit crazier than I had expected. As for notability, all members of state legislatures meet wikipedia's guideline. I understand they're not as sexy as rock band members or professional athletes, but figuring out who they were is important for historians. For Virginia legislators of previous centuries the genealogy is important, for this was an oligarchy. Then there are the quirks, like "forgetting" those who freed slaves, opposed slavery or for decades after the Civil War (a/k/a War between the States) were Republicans.Jweaver28 (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Jweaver28 If the family members meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, then create articles about them. Until then, it is too much. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Finding sources on an article

I'm having trouble finding sources on Rawson Stovall, the first syndicated game journalist in the U.S. For example, I found an article on him in The Wall Street Journal on the Wikipedia Library, but said article is so old that I cannot find any copies of it online. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Sources don't need to be online. Just include the relevant parameters in the citation; usually easiest to fill in the appropriate parameters in the {{cite news}} template. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I meant that I saw a record of the Wall Street Journal article on the Library, however, I couldn't access it from there - it was only a record of its existence. When I tried searching for it, I couldn't find any trace of it. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427 Have you tried asking at WP:RX? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I found this article on him in the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/08/us/youth-s-column-makes-him-popular-with-top-minds-in-video-games.html?searchResultPosition=2 Rogermx (talk) 15:40, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Visual edit: value (help), website= (help)

Using the Visual Editor Manual tab (after "We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above." appeared) I added a live URL citation and its archived copy to an article, filling in the appropriate fields but " {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Check |archive-url= value (help); External link in |website= (help)" appears after "Retrieved 9 November 2022.". What do I need to do? Mcljlm (talk) 16:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@mcljlm: i'm assuming this is about party lists for the 2022 Israeli legislative election. the archive url is the exact same as the non-archived url, and the website parameter takes the name of the website, not the url. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 16:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ Thanks. I hadn't noticed my mouse hadn't copied the archived version. Now half the problem is solved but "{{cite web}}: External link in |website= (help)" still appears (I only added {thought I was adding} the archived version 2 days after the original edit). What do I need to do now? Mcljlm (talk) 00:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mcljlm. The citation error was due to you (I'm assuming it was you) trying to use add a url address for the |website= parameter. You should use the name of the website instead. I don't understand Hebrew; so I simply replaced the url you added with "gov.il". If you know the name of the website, you should use that instead. Another thing I noticed is that you're citing non-English websites as sources. While this is allowed as explained in WP:NONENGLISH, it can be confusing to readers sometime since they're reading English Wikipedia and, thus. expecting sources written in English. Many governmental websites have multi-language versions and you should cite the English version of the source if one exists whenever possible. If no such page exists or the source in the original language is preferred, you can still make things a bit easier by using the parameters |script-title=, |title=, |language=, and |trans-title=. Most of the documentation pages for the more widely used citation templates like {{cite web}} have examples on how to use these parameters, and it's not too complicated to figure out. The |script-title= parameter is particularly useful when the source being cited uses a non-Latin script like Hebrew does because it helps with MOS:ACCESSIBILITY. In such cases, the |title= parameter should be used for the Romanized version of the source's title, with the |trans-title= parameter then being used for the English translation of the source's title. The |language= parameter is just the two-letter code for the source language. I reformatted one of the citations you added using these parameter (I left the |title= parameter empty because I don't read Hebrew), and it would be big help if you could go back and finish the citation I started and then also clean up the rest in the same way. Finally, I also noticed that the |page= parameters for some of the citations seem to have dates added to them instead of page numbers. The date the source was published should be added to the |date= parameter, and the page of the source being cited is what should be added to the |page= parameter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly. Are you saying I should have entered gov.il as the website name rather than https://www.gov.il? I didn't use Central Elections Committee as the website name since the CEC is only a government department as its home page URL https://www.gov.il/en/departments/central-elections-committee/govil-landing-page indicates and its name doesn't always appear in its webpages (see below). Would it be preferable to gov.il despite that?

I'm not sure why you say I'm citing non-English websites. I cited the English-language page https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/guide/candidates-lists-25/en/candidates_candidates_lists.pdf which I accessed from the hyperlink Names of the Candidates in the 25th Knesset Elections at the foot of https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/candidates-lists-25 (it's actually there twice), en indicating it's the English version. Mcljlm (talk) 03:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

​The reason you were seeing this type of citation error was because the url address www.gov.il had been added for the |website= parameter of the {{cite web}} template that was used for the citation. I replaced that with "gov.il" because I didn't know what the name of the website was. Ideally, if the website has a name you would add that name for the website parameter. For example, if you were citing a Washington Post article, you would add "Washington Post" or maybe even "Washington Post.com" as the website and not the url address www.washingtonpost.com. As the non-English citations, I mistakenly assumed that you had added them, but they were actually added by someone else; so, my apologies for that. If, however, you're able to understand Hebrew, then perhaps you can help clean up the citations to non-English sources. I can use something like Google translate for the names of the sources, but I can't read Hebrew which means I can't convert the Hebrew script to Romanization for the |title= parameter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly What non-English citation do/did you see? Mcljlm (talk) 19:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

​ Look at Party lists for the 2022 Israeli legislative election#References because it looks like there are eight citations to websites written in Hebrew. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

​Now I realize what you meant; I thought you were referring to the citation I added.

Dealing with the Hebrew citations will need a lot of work. Most are to CEC pages which appear to exist only in Hebrew listing individual lists. The citation I added is a document which theoretically includes the candidates on all the lists but also include the names of candidates submitted who aren't on the final lists. The others are to Hebrew news sites (neither necessarily the most appropriate). Most of the names mentioned in the article may be in the lists published by English-language sites (which would be preferable to Hebrew CEC pages but it'll take time to find them.

I notice there are Hebrew citations in several other election-related articles as well.Mcljlm (talk) 01:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Username change

Can i cancel a request for username change? Quantum XYZ (chat) 17:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Quantum XYZ, just revert the request. Sungodtemple (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Sungodtemple: I cant find ot at my contributions, and on the request page it only allows me to make a requests. Quantum XYZ (chat) 05:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The request page is Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Quantum XYZ (chat) 05:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

disambiguation query: page= My Uncle Napoleon

i'm copy/pasting/rewriting my talk page question here because i think this is a better place? the article is My Uncle Napoleon. i want to work on the article more in general, but this is my main question atm. (very first time editor!)

"Mash Qasem is said to be from Ghiasabad. that is listed on the page with *Disambiguation Needed*. i don't think this can be disambiguated! given the tone of the novel, that seems to be a joke, given his compulsive lying tendencies, about there being so many different Ghiasabads! what would be the best way to resolve this? do i need to find a citation confirming his being from ghiasabad is a joke about ambiguity [something i do not know if is possible]. much thanks" 2600:6C67:6E7F:5AD1:0:0:0:3 (talk) 22:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd just remove the link and the tag. If it's not possible to pick one Ghiasabad to link to, but there's no source saying it is an intentionally ambiguous joke, linking to the disambiguation doesn't really help the reader. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

You might add an explanation along the lines of ". . . from Ghiasabad (which Ghiasabad, of the several places so named, is never specified)." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.64.163.219 (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Problems editing a discography and adding a new title.

Column formatting problems. I am trying to add the 1975 single "Calypso" to the John Denver discography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles Packzap (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

"Calypso" is the "B" side to John Denver's single "I'm Sorry" and peaked at position #2 in the US Billboard Hot 100 chart in 1975. The problem is in getting the columns to line up properly as I don't have chart info for the other columns. The song is from the same album "Windsong". Packzap (talk) 04:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Is there a good resource on how to format these funky Wiki table columns correctly? Packzap (talk) 04:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I'll sort of answer my own question (talking to myself in the tea house {grin}. I just noticed on the John Denver discography page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver_discography#Singles that an entry was added to the bottom for "Charted B-sides" and contains "Calypso". Hence there is no need apparently to add it to the listing of singles farther up the page from 1975? Packzap (talk) 05:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I tried adding an Endnote to the 1975 single "I'm Sorry" to alert readers about the B-side single listing of "Calypso" farther down the page, but all that came thru was a "carrot" symbol. :( How does one insert a proper Endnote? Packzap (talk) 18:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

writing a biography

I want to write a bio of a well known commercial artist who is deceased. Is it correct that every fact, such as his employers, places of residence, and so on, must be publicly documented? Some of the information I have is from personal knowledge, such as that he was a Scoutmaster for the Boy Scouts. Can I not write that because it isn't documented? Entwalker (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

That is correct, yes. If you know something personally, that is original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia. Look for reliable sources that contain the information, and make sure there are sources establishing notability as well or else the article can't be written at all. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Entwalker (talk) 06:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Where can I find the criteria for acceptable source material? Someone said there are 4 criteria. Entwalker (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Entwalker So that you don't have to read this entire Teahouse page, I'll just copy some of what Fiddle Faddle said above: A source must be reliable, independent, and have significant coverage of the subject or topic. I think the fourth criterion is that the sources must not be primary sources; they should be secondary. Those pages have a LOT of information. David10244 (talk) 06:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Entwalker Many people have personal websites which can be archived at the Wayback machine. Citations to these are allowed for simple facts in biographies, as detailed at WP:ABOUTSELF. However, none of that contributes to notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability is not an issue, as I have several sources listing achievements etc. But for my subject's personal life, can I reference a book that I helped write, once it's published? It includes details from his heretofore unpublished autobiography. Entwalker (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Entwalker, If your unpublished book you want to cite is based on parts of his "unpublished autobiography", the answer is no, as your book would not be considered a reliable source. If parts of your book are based on material found in reliable sources, then use those reliable sources themselves. Quisqualis (talk) 00:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

serious question on global locks

so i came across an account called "wikipedia sucks" which is LOCKED for having an abusive username. really...? i understand a block, but not a lock. seems a little sensitive. as far as im concerned, locking an account should have only been used if they have an offensive user name, is a cross wiki abuser or spambot, sockpuppet or an LTA. locking an account for dissing wikipedia in what is probably more polite then what most people would say, seems ridiculous to me. 50.109.187.59 (talk) 04:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome. Maybe the account was locked because it was used by an LTA and it just wasn’t announced? Sometimes, when the abuser is so notorious, we deny recognition and just block without connecting them. Blanchey (talk) 09:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

ahhh ok 172.78.180.225 (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

changing an edit message

Is it possible to change the message of an edit ? Vincent-vst (talk) 06:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

If you mean the boxes that appear above the edit window, (these are called edit notices) yes, although doing so requires admin privileges (see Template:editnotice), with the exception of pages in the user/user talk namespace, which can be custommized by creating a page named Full Page Name including Namespace prefix/Editnotice. If you mean the edit summary, no, once an edit has been submitted, the edit summary cannot be changed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Vincent-vst, if you made an error in your edit summary, you can make a Dummy edit, noting your correction in the next edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 07:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Vincent-vst There have been proposals to allow editors to revise their edit summaries, for example WP:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive 30#Being able to edit your edit summaries but they have never been implemented for various reasons. However, you can set Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing so you will never forget to use an edit summary, which I do find helpful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

My article not posted

Dear Sir, please help me post my article.. I am not able to post ImranOne Shaikh (talk) 07:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@ImranOne Shaikh: If this is about Draft:LATE._PROF._DR._(COL.)_A._BALASUBRAMANIAN, that particular draft seems to be substantically identically to https://biibpune.edu.in/About/our_chancellor, a copyrighted website, and as such is a violation of Wikipedia's coopyright policy. Ill post more about this on your talkpage in a second. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

ImranOne Shaikh, leaving aside for now the issue of the violation of copyright (which is extremely important), your draft now says How would you describe the greatness of a person when he is incomparable? Maybe a metaphor would justify his larger-than-life character. But then a metaphor of what class and generation? Your mind would simply embark on a journey of emotions when you soulfully explore the life of . . . Please be aware that the Neutral point of view is a mandatory core content policy, and that this language is non-neutral and utterly inappropriate for inclusion in this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lethal Slime

you should allow my article draft:lethal slime i think my sources are fine Chait21 (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21 Hello, and welcome. The declining reviewer left an explanation as to why your draft wasn’t accepted. If you read that, you will know what needs adding/improving. Thanks, Blanchey (talk) 08:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21 I see that your draft was rejected, not just declined, which means it is unsuitable for Wikipedia in any form and you should stop wasting your time on it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21: - No, those sources are not "fine". Read through the criteria that are listed in the rejection notice carefully. I cannot see a single reference that meets those four criteria. In order to be accepted, the article would need multiple sources that meet those criteria. If you have questions about why any particular source is not adequate, please ask here or the editor who declined it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Chait21: Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• We can't use either YouTube cite (Unknown provenance, connexion to subject). YouTube as a source is unusable unless the video being cited is both (1) produced by an outlet we would ordinarily consider to be credible and (2) uploaded to their own verified channel.
• We can't use Instagram (no editorial oversight). Social media in general is useless as a source for notability on Wikipedia due to its unfiltered nature.
• We can't use GoDaddy (connexion to subject, no editorial oversight). Website registrars are practically never going to be any good as a source.
• The Patch source is a non-sequitur.
• We can't use lyrics on Genius (copyright violation or no editorial oversight or connexion to subject, one of the three is going to apply). In general, citing lyrics is both irrelevant and a waste of time.
• We can't use Illroots (too sparse). This looks like the It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine) of news aggregators, and we don't cite news aggregators to begin with.

Nothing you cite is any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

How make a page title italicized (DISPLAYTITLE not working)

I am creating a taxonomy article and I want it to be italicized. I referred to the DISPLAYTITLE function and it is giving error: 'unsupported character {'. Could someone give a working example of DISPLAYTITLE and point out what was going wrong? Also, how can I edit the title of articles (I didn't italicize some other article titles)? PrathuCoder (talk) 11:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

If you only need to italicize the title, you can use {{Italic title}} rather than trying to use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} manually. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 11:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Maddy from Celeste Ok, but how can I change the title of previously made articles? PrathuCoder (talk) 11:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

For italics, you simply add the aforementioned template to the top of the page. If you want to actually change the article title, see Wikipedia:Requested moves. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 11:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrathuCoder: Things often depend on the circumstances so please always be specific in questions. Which page do you have in mind and which name do you want? Some things are deliberately impossible with DISPLAYTITLE and require a move. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

No, I don't have anything like that but a situation like that may come later so I asked it for more information since I'm relatively new. But now I'm autoconfirmed so I can do a move on my own. Thanks for your concern though. PrathuCoder (talk) 04:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Article

Can the name of an article be changed after it has been published? Can admins do it? Wikipedian10282 (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Any autoconfirmed editor can move a page, unless there already is a page at the destination, in which case either a page mover or administrator is needed. If you think someone might disagree with a move, you should start a discussion as detailed on Wikipedia:Requested moves, and if you think the move will be uncontroversial but can't perform it yourself, you can post on Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 12:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

About page protection

How can I request for page protection which template is used for this 2023 Indian Premier League Can someone ask for protection for this page on my behalf, this page is created by me. Jisshu (talk) 13:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

You created this article yesterday. You reverted an editor's good faith edit. There is no history of vandalism or controversial editing that would warrent page protection. There exist articles about previous seasons, for example 2022 Indian Premier League. If it is valid to have an article about a season that has not yet started (a real concern) then your short article can be improved by being modeled after the other articles. David notMD (talk) 13:43, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I also have concerns that for some of the ten teams in the Indian Premier League you have created short articles specific to the 2023 season, for example Sunrisers Hyderabad in 2023, Punjab Kings in 2023, Chennai Super Kings in 2023 and Kolkata Knight Riders in 2023 rather than add information to the existing articles about the teams: Sunrisers Hyderabad, Punjab Kings, Chennai Super Kings, Kolkata Knight Riders. David notMD (talk) 13:54, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

User:David notMD I haven't copied from an article. I have created my articles and added my own sources which I found through cricbuzz and ESPN. and even I deleted my article about IPL auction for good faithand help editor

I did not state nor imply that there is a copyright infringement problem. Copying from one Wikipedia article to another is allowed as long as there is attribution in the edit summary. And my understanding is that if an editor is copying content they created from one article to another that copying attribution is desired but not required. If I have this wrong, perhaps other editors will comment. The intention of my second comment - which should have been made more clear - is that I disagree with the value of a 2023 article for each team in the IPL versus adding updating content to the existing articles. However, I have not tagged any for deletion. David notMD (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Future productions

I'm not super familiar with guidelines surrounding media that has yet to be released. I think that WP:NFF and WP:CRYSTAL suggest that Wikipedia pages can be created for soon to be released productions if it has been confirmed by reliable sources that the show has already undergone a major phase of production. And of course, there must be reliable secondary sources that demonstrate notability. I was working on Draft:Quiet Part Loud and I was wondering whether I should move it to mainspace or wait a few days until November 15. I don't want to run into the hassle of someone else writing the page in mainspace and having to figure out how or what to merge, but I don't want to move it to mainspace prematurely either. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Also, are the current sources considered too routine to constitute notability? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm, I did some more reading and it looks like this would probably violate WP:NOTNEWS because the sources are WP:ROUTINE. I'd still appreciate someone else's input though so that I know I'm interpreting guidelines properly. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Stubsensor seems to be inactive

We need more stub dumps and I’m the only one active in the project. I don’t want to stop yet I feel more people should be in. How do I get more people to help? SikiWtideI (Speak to the backwards police) 16:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with a submission

Could someone assist with my submission that needs to be more encyclopedic?

Here are the reviewers comments: This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject. WikiEditor242 (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anar_Simpson — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor242 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Separate from that comment, there should be no hyperlinks in the article. You have included dozens, which all must be removed. Also, use her full name at first mention (first sentence), and thereafter only her surname. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! WikiEditor242 (talk) 17:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@WikiEditor242 I don't understand what the "digital inclusion of women" is supposed to mean, in normal English words. David10244 (talk) 06:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah ok!

So digital inclusion means ensuring the benefits of the internet and digital technologies are available to everyone. Digitally-excluded people can lack skills, confidence and motivation, along with having limited or no access to equipment and connectivity. And for women that means very little economic opportunity.

I can re-word it in the article submission WikiEditor242 (talk) 17:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I have now linked to the Wikipedia article on Digital Inclusion. Thank you for highlighting the need for clarification. WikiEditor242 (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

How much should I wait till someone renames a category?

Hello everyone!

I requested a rename for the category which I just created. The rename is not because of a spelling error but it's a linguistic error anyway. How long it would take till someone does the rename? Because I want to add some articles to this category after rename.

Regards, Farooq (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Farooqkz, you can do it yourself by moving the page. See Wikipedia:Moving a page. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:34, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

It's a category so I cannot move it myself. Farooq (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Farooqkz: A user has moved Category:Uninvented electrical components to Category:Non-invented electrical components on your request. The name still sounds odd to me. It appears to be intended for examples of Category:Hypothetical technology. A better name may be Category:Hypothetical electrical components. How many articles do you have in mind and can you give examples? If it's just a couple then maybe you can use the existing category. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I was unsure about the name, too. "Hypothetical" seems better than "Non-invented" as it is also parallel with this other category you just mentioned. I currently know two pages which fit in this category(whichever its name is): Trancitor and Memristor. Both have been theoretically deduced but not invented, yet. Farooq (talk) 06:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter I think I will keep the current name for the category and add pages. We can decide on the category name later. I will add a section in category's talk page regarding this. Farooq (talk) 13:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Farooq, don't forget to add appropriate parent categories to this category before you are done. Categories on Wikipedia are nested within larger, less specific categories to form a hierarchy and it also demonstrates relationships so that this category doesn't remain isolated. Within fitting within the category structure, it's unlikely that anyone will come across it or knows how it relates to similar categories (whatever those might be!). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah thanks for reminding. --Farooq (talk) 04:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox Vandalism

If a user (for instance), 'deliberately' vandalises my sandbox to write untrue and derogatory remarks about me, what should I do? @ Wikipedian10282 (talk) 19:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikipedian10282: if that happens, you should revert the vandalism and report the user to WP:AIV. However, it doesn't seem like anyone besides you has edited your sandbox; is this in reference to a specific situation? — VersaceSpace (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@VersaceSpace Thank you. Indeed, I'm talking about a specific situation, even though this hasn't occured to me personally. Internet safety matters. Wikipedian10282 (talk) 20:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

VersaceSpace, WP:AIV "is intended only for reports about active, obvious, and persistent vandals and spammers" (my emphasis). -- Hoary (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: I took the bolded "deliberately" and the plural "remarks" to mean there were several instances of such conduct. —VersaceSpace (talk) 03:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Meeting Notability/Significance Requirements & Reliable Sources

I was interested in adding a page for the song "Sex Dwarf" by Soft Cell, from the Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret album. I felt the track alone has generated enough controversy to be note-worthy, such as its music video being banned in the UK, being covered by Nine Inch Nails, etc. I've read the Wikipedia:Notability (music) article but wanted to seek more opinions.

My main reason for hesitating was the lack of proper sources--the song's controversy is mentioned in BBC documentaries about Soft Cell (like in the Young Guns: Go for It series) but those same documentaries also feature interviews with Marc Almond and Dave Ball where they discuss the song/music video. There are articles about the song online, but they seem to be mostly editorials by publications such as Vice News. (https://www.vice.com/en/article/9ajkk5/soft-cell-sex-dwarf)

Apologies if similar questions are asked often, basically just looking for input on if this is a viable topic for a separate page and if so, are there any recommendations for sources? Or could I add more information to the album's wiki instead, or do nothing? Cheers Yalocalgaynoah (talk) 20:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Yalocalgaynoah, The Vice piece seems objective enough in parts that you should be able to use it as a source for some of your article. It's kind of a review and partly a memoir, if I read it correctly. Wikipedia says, "There is no consensus on the reliability of Vice Media publications", therefore, be selective in what you use from it. Quisqualis (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

My problem with the Vice item is that it's written in such an arch style that in places I don't know what it means. But perhaps that's just me. Yalocalgaynoah, could you perhaps specify two other good sources? -- Hoary (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

[1] might be usable, at least as a starting-point to info and other better refs. DMacks (talk) 06:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Reference questions

Hi all. Apologies -- I'm totally new to Wikipedia. Been trying to put together an article in my Sandbox and it was not accepted when submitted -- the reason was that the references "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". I'm thinking (hoping) that the basis for this is that the most appropriate references I created are not "reliable" because I can't seem to create links to the articles in the original publication Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly -- a professional publication that is only available online via subscription. I suppose I could create images of the articles that I could share somehow, but they are copyrighted material, so I'm not sure how to proceed. I suspect that others have had this problem and apologize if it's been asked a lot of times before. Any help appreciated! Henry01301 (talk) 21:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Henry01301: Thanks for your question, and thanks for taking the matter of sourcing your article seriously. Obviously it is good to have a link to an online version of a source where possible, but it is not required. Where the source is behind a paywall, there are a couple of options open to you. If you can actually get a URL, but it requires subscription, then you can mark it as such: see the description at Template:Cite_journal#Subscription_or_registration_required. The other alternative is just to not have a link. This is often the case when citing a book, for example. The source still needs to be reliable, independent of the subject, and give significant coverage of the source.--Gronk Oz (talk) 21:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Henry01301: Looking over the article, which is at Draft:Wendy Sibbison, it is coming along nicely, especially for your first article. It still needs to be edited for tone. At the moment, it is written in quite a promotional way: for example, the opening sentence says that she "carved out a specialty in appellate litigation" instead of simply saying that she specializes in appellate litigation. Similarly, beware of statements like she is "likely the first to [do something]" unless a reliable source says that she is likely the first; it is not up to Wikipedia to make a judgement on matters like that. This is mostly a problem in the lede section; the body of the article is better at being neutral statements of fact.--Gronk Oz (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Henry01301 What Gronk Oz said, but when you cite a book, you don't need a URL, but you need to fill out the citation template with the publisher's name, the book title, page number, etc. WP:REFB has a link to the Cite Book template. David10244 (talk) 06:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

A protection filter: scirp.org prevents me from creating the page

Hi ! How to override this protection filter: scirp.org when I try to create the page War on COVID-19 ?

Here's the text of my article :

[article text removed]

-Etienne M (talk) 00:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Etienne M, welcome to the Teahouse. Remove the link to scirp.org. It's https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=113299. See MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/September 2022#scirp.org for a discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

That's a remarkable wall of text, Etienne M, but in no way is it a contender for an article titled War on COVID-19. Instead, it's more like Bibliography of the metaphor of a "war" on Covid-19, although this is only my first stab and I'm sure others here can improve on it. Incidentally, I wonder what "scientific" means here, and I'm surprised by the seeming lack of mention of the "war on drugs" and "war on terror". -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Etienne M: I would seriously consider finding a different topic to write about - one that isn't under discretionary sanctions - as this area, as with every other one listed here, is not someplace an inexperienced user should be editing in right away. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much, PrimeHunter, the error indication had lost me, I didn't understand it but now it's ok.

Thanks Hoary for your contribution. Sorry if my level in english is bad (I'm French man). The title is in effect not the more appropriate (I thought this title: "War on COVID-19" to look like: War on cancer, War on coal, War on drugs, War on gangs, War on poverty, War on terror, War on women). Metaphor of War in the Covid-19 Pandemic would be more accurate, but other appropriate titles could also be found if you have ideas (Political militaristic communication in the Covid-19 Pandemic, or as the french article: Political rhetoric of War in the Covid-19 pandemic...)

About discretionary sanctions, Jéské Couriano, this new subject don't be a target because it doesn't deal with COVID-19 as medecine, but with Social engineering (political science) produced by political discourses introducing a lot of sanitaries mesures. It is an article I want be a humanities sciences contribution on rhetoric by scientifics papers.

--Etienne M (talk) 10:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Etienne M, two points. First, you say About discretionary sanctions, Jéské Couriano, this new subject don't be a target because it doesn't deal with COVID-19 as medecine. It very much would be a target. That's because sanctions apply: For all edits about, and all articles related to, COVID-19, broadly construed. Secondly, I don't think that anyone here will doubt that there is much literature about the war metaphor. No need for you provide any bibliography in any teahouse thread. -- Hoary (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Bonjour, Etienne M, et bienvenue au salon de thé. This is not an answer to your question, but a linguistic note: "in effect" is a faux ami for French speakers: it means almost the opposite of en effet. "In effect, A is B" means that A is not B, but may be treated as B for present purposes. A better translation of en effet is "actually" (which of course does not correspond to actuellement'!) ColinFine (talk) 14:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, I apologize to you for my lack of understanding. Thank you for giving me the precision that For all edits about, and all articles related to, COVID-19, broadly construed. Does this mean that one has no right to open a new article about Covid-19? Since no one doubts that there are many scientific studies focused on the subject, why should it be subject to sanction? I delete my examples of scientific literature to unclog the page, and since I don't have to prove to you the legitimacy of the subject.

Etienne M, no, you can start a new article related to Covid-19. However, the subject attracts so many crackpots, fanatics, and well-intentioned but gullible people who believe in the crackpottery, and the stakes can be so high, that drafts and articles have to be policed. If you're creating an article about, say, Cimabue, everyone hopes that you make no mistake; but if you do make a mistake then someone will fix it or amiably nudge you to fix it. Don't expect anything similar with a new article related to Covid-19. Jéské Couriano's advice was sound. You'd better get experience of successfully creating Covid-unrelated articles before essaying anything that's related to Covid-19. -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine : I was mistaken, indeed ! I thank you for this point of language that I have not mastered. It reminds me of some old course already far behind me. I will strive to remember that translation of en effet! --Etienne M (talk) 14:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Volca Modular

Hi there! I received a notification that my article Volca Modular was reviewed, but it isn't indexed on any search engine. I'm pretty new so would like to clarify when an article is listed on search engines. Thanks! Schminnte (talk) 01:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Schminnte. It has been reviewed as you say so it allows indexing by external search engines but we don't control when it happens. It's up to each search engine to detect the page and see it can be indexed. Some search engines may watch our edit logs and detect it if any edit is made after the review (there are currently none) but I don't promise anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter, it has appeared in the search engine I use now. Schminnte (talk) 14:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

One of my article nominated for delete

I noticed that an administrator requested to delete an article name Ridoyanul Hoq. Because as a creator, I moved the article directly from the draft space to the main space, and he also said that the references are from the blog site. Although this article was reviewed by 2 administrators before. I respect his opinion, but one thing to note here is that: while moving the article from the draft to the main space with mobile, I didn't see the option like WP:AFC and the references are not of any blog site. I have told about this on his talk page, but he is not replying. What should I do? I don't know too much about Wikipedia policies. Someone please help me, either delete the article or if my article suitable for main space, please remove the delete notice. Frryan404 (talk) 02:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

The article is already up for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ridoyanul Hoq. Therefore that, rather than here, is where comments should be added. -- Hoary (talk) 02:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Could Imdb be a helpful

Well can it be?, it's trust by almost everyone and I believe that is it rightful. Or The madnesscombat officals website?:http://www.krinkels.net Thegibuspyro (talk) 03:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hey, there. According to WP:RS/IMDB, the Internet Movie Database is not really considered a reliable source. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:38, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes IMDb has the same content as Wikipedia; as IMDb is user-generated and has no visible history, it is impossible to easily know which came first. What I'm suggesting is that contributors to IMDb can copy content from Wikipedia, so no, not helpful.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 04:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sjones23 IMDB is considered unreliable because anyone can write whatever they want there. Errors might, or might not, get corrected by someone else. All "user-generated" websites are considered not reliable for that reason, including blogs. David10244 (talk) 06:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Thegibuspyro I meant to reply to you, not necessarily @Sjones23, in my previous comment. Sorry about that... David10244 (talk) 06:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

No hard feelings. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Thegibuspyro. I've used IMDB for clues to help improve articles about actors. If IMDB states an actor was in several well-known films I then start looking for published film reviews or movie reference books for a reliable source to show the person was indeed in the film. (I've only edited articles about actors working decades ago, so reference books are often helpful, if I know the names of films to look for.) Karenthewriter (talk) 13:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Karenthewriter makes an excellent point that also applies to other websites that are not themselves reliable sources for use on Wikipedia. This includes fan sites, hobbyist sites, blogs and sites like Quora and Reddit. These sites may say that something is factual and may mention an actual reliable source that can be cited, although you need to read that source first. Or the information there may provide clues that can be used to refine a search engine query to lead to actual reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 20:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

computer sabotaged help fix please,

comp haked cant open apps. cd player is tweaked. everything help.

cant uninstall anything,apis,drivers,no backups.powershell,domain, 3 network services , helppppppppppppp 2603:9000:8A00:25A:34C2:62A5:71BC:9994 (talk) 04:41, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! unfortunately we aren't able to fix your computer, although you might want to check your local search engine about if the most recent apps you used (or any suspicious apps or processes in the installed program menu or task manager) are suspicious and how you can remove them. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

When I would be able to make my own articles on wikipedia

When I would be able to make my own articles on wikipedia Atalanta Enthusiast (talk) 04:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @Atalanta Enthusiast and welcome to the teahouse! you're able to create articles right now, although it may take a lot of learning so it may be best if you learn the ropes first by helping edit existing articles before starting your own. if you still want to learn how, please read Reliable sources which discusses the sources you can use to cite your statements, Notability which determines if the subject is eligible for an article, and Your first article which gets in the process of sctually writing the article itself. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Help:Referencing for beginners provides guidance on how to format refs. Refs first!! Given that in the end, content needs to be verified by references, finding valid refs before diving into content is good advice. And there is no "owning" of articles. Once an article is created, anyone can edit it, as long as the new content is true, relevant and referenced. For any existing article, click on "View history" to see the editing history. For high profile articles there can be thousands of edits by hundreds of editors. David notMD (talk) 12:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

What do you think makes a really good article?

Putting aside featured article and good article criteria, what other criteria do you think would make a good article that is fun and easy to read? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 04:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm sure that there are many excellent math(s) related articles, but they'd be a lot easier to read if only I studied math(s) at university. ¶ Articles would be slightly more enjoyable if their creators avoided certain ponderous de facto conventions of Wikipedia writing. One among many: It seems that most writers will avoid saying that a building is on a road, river, etc when they can instead say that it's located on that road, river, etc. (And they always can.) To me, "located" seems to add nothing whatever; but it's clear that other writers are devoted to it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Imho the use of "located", and worse "hails from", is not a convention of Wikipedia writing, rather the reverse. I remove such expressions when I notice them. Maproom (talk) 12:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Maproom, I'd guess that the article New York City is about as carefully written and vigilantly watched as any. A quick count gets me nine superfluous tokens of "located". I'm too sleepy now to risk removing them myself; if you removed them, I've a hunch that most or all would be swiftly reintroduced. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I did it. Let's see how it goes. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

This is a good question, CactiStaccingCrane. I think it comes down to stakes: Who (or what community) is invested in the subject, why does it matter to them, and if the subject were slightly different, what would that mean for them or for us? These don't need to be explicitly addressed, especially the last one, but it's a question of uniqueness and importance. Looking at some random articles: William Rehnquist's lead says he is remembered as an important Chief Justice who changed the landscape of American law; Stage pin connector says it is a standard cable type for theatrical lighting in North America; Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi says his four sons are simultaneously present in all three Legislative forums, which is a record. Those articles all demonstrate that their subjects have unique, ongoing (or recent) importance. One of 'my' articles, Astri Aasen, has not been important in several decades, but I mention a scholarship in her name to illustrate her enduring value to Norwegian art, whether or not that is of great value. Not all articles have ongoing or recent importance, and that's fine, but for those that do, I find that to be part of why I read them and why I enjoy them. Urve (talk) 18:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

what is the first 17 values of pie

Pi 106.201.141.118 (talk) 07:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

3.14159265358979323. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 07:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Ask Google (not Wikipedia:RD, that would be a waste of time). Better yet, scroll down to the external links section. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 07:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

See Pi, in the infobox at the top right. Maproom (talk) 08:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

If, instead, you meant "pie," then I propose Apple, Blueberry, Cherry, Peach, Pecan, Walnut, Pumpkin, Key Lime, Lemon, Lemon Meringue, Rhubarb, Strawberry, Sweet Potato, Raisin, Chess, Shoofly and Turtle Pie (does not contain turtles). See List of pies, tarts and flans for more. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Current sources

How do I find more non-contemporary sources for Rawson Stovall, an article I am working on? As far as I know, the only source backing up his main assertion to notability, which is that he was the first syndicated video game reviewer in the US, ( I have added plenty of references, though, so he easily meets GNG) that isn't primarily based on an interview is the PC Gamer source. Surely, this would result in plenty of coverage on this fact. Most of the useful sources I've found are all from the 1980s. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 07:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Article assessment classes

Hello once again. I created another article, Nigel Boddice which has been reviewed as C class. I have two questions: 1. I have added significant amounts of detail more than when it was reviewed, so when or how does it get rereviewed? 2. How much difference would I have to include to get to B class, or even A class/GA? Thanks again everyone. Schminnte (talk) 14:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Schminnte Up to "B", these ratings are informal, and anyone who feels they understand the relevant guidance, in this case Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_Kingdom/Assessment#Quality_scale, can change the "This article has been rated as". You can change it yourself, if you think it's a good idea. WP:GA however, is different, you can read about that at the link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I would really like your opinion on the rating, as I'm quite a new editor and don't want to interfere with any processes that I might not fully understand. I would like a second opinion on the article's quality as, as I said, I have added much more content including an infobox and picture. It would be great if you could check it out. Thanks! Schminnte (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

That's a respectable position, walk before you can run etc. I've been editing for 10+ years, but this aspect of WP is not one I've ever looked into. Perhaps someone else seeing this will. If that doesn't happen, you can try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom. Or why not ask the editor who reviewed it:[2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

For B class, there are six criteria that need to be met. The process for reviewing these criteria is informal and can be done by any editor. To get the article to a WP:GA, you have to get your article reviewed formally by another editor. A-class is not used much these days, but it is supposed to be given via a formal review process by the Wikiproject the article falls under. Most Wikiprojects do not have A-class review processes nowadays though. For more details, see Wikipedia:Content_assessment. 2601:647:5800:4D2:8CC2:482F:97D0:56AB (talk) 20:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

And what would your own opinion of the article's class be, if you could check it out I would be much obliged. Schminnte (talk) 22:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Authors in external links, bibliographies, further reading

Are books/articles and their authors given names and surnames in external links, bibliographies and further reading sections supposed to be mentioned in specific order? If yes should the order be the same for each section? If not is there a preferred order? Mcljlm (talk) 15:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm Good question. Some attempt at logical order would seem reasonable. I see no guidance at WP:EL. MOS:FURTHER says "usually alphabetized". And I think a bibliography like Historiography_of_Christianization_of_the_Roman_Empire#Bibliography will usually be alphabetized. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

In External links it seems logical that an item from a person/organisation directly connected to an article's subject should precede items totally unconnected. I try to include an item's original publication date {probably from being a retired librarian and archivist} and sometimes wonder if that should affect a list's order.

Is the order [title] by [given name surname] OK in External links though not bibliographies? Mcljlm (talk) 17:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk page

Hello there. I want to leave a statement on another users' talk page, but I have been endlessly figuring out on how to do so. How do I leave one? Wikipedian10282 (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. There should be an "edit" link at the top of the talk page, just as with articles, at least in desktop mode. 331dot (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

If the user's talk page already exists, you will usually find a "New section" tab. If the page does not exist, you should find an option to "Post a message to ..." when you try to read the non-existent talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks both of you - much appreciated. Wikipedian10282 (talk) 18:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Using newspaper/book scans

Hi there! I have newspapers/book articles critical to show the notability of a person about whom I want to write an article. I can scan it and upload, surely, but I'm afraid it would be copyright violation. To what extent can I use it? Thanks in advance. - KhinMoTi (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@KhinMoTi, see guidance at WP:OFFLINE. A weblink to the WP:RS is nice to have if possible, but not mandatory. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, KhinMoTi. Unless you are certain that the book or newspaper is in the public domain, then it would be a copyright violation to upload scans. This usually requires that the newspaper or book was published over 95 years ago. But it is not necessary that a reliable source be online in order to use it as a reference. Just cite the complete bibliographic information. For a book, that would be the author, the book title, the year of publication, the publisher, the page numbers, and the ISBN number. If you use Template: Cite book, you can also include a relevant quotation of a sentence or two, as well as a link to the appropriate Google Books page. Cullen328 (talk) 18:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

While these above answers are quite correct, there may be another option for online links. Newspapers.com. Generally speaking, wikipedians who qualify may obtain newspapers.com access at no cost through the fully searchable The Wikipedia Library and be able to create, modify, and link clippings from the thousands of newspapers available. Based on a cursory look at User:KhinMoTi's profile, they may well qualify for access to the library. In addition, there's a helpful resource exchange board here, where users with more and/or alternative access may assist folks who need sourcing help. BusterD (talk) 19:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for all your answers! KhinMoTi (talk) 21:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Education level

I know that Wikipedia has some policy page that states a topic should be written for an audience that is one education level lower than the topic is commonly thought at. What is the name of that page? Thanks. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, PhotographyEdits. I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Writing better articles, especially the section that can be found with the shortcut WP:AUDIENCE. Cullen328 (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Where to request edits on Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons? Also what are the Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons versions of Teahouse?

What page/pages can you request edits on Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons?

What are the Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons versions of Teahouse? Danstarr69 (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Commons:Help desk is the closest I know on Commons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

d:Wikidata:Project chat is the equivalent on Wikidata. As for edit requests, on Commons you post on the talk page using c:Template:Edit request. I can't find any analogue on Wikidata though. Wikidata also has d:Template:Edit request. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

New page issues

Hi there! Hope you're all well.

I'm creating a wiki page for up-and-coming actor/screenwriter Alex Lane (www.imdb.me/alexlane), am his assistant Julie. He has more than a handful of verifiable TV, film and commercial credits, and more.

The following issues are coming up:

• {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
• {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
• {{cite web}}: Text "Trailer" ignored (help)
• {{cite web}}: External link in |title= (help); Text "cite web" ignored (help)

Can anyone help, please? I'm new here. Alex is a really nice boss, and he is setting up a major TV series. Am just trying to do my job here. Appreciate any help I can get!!

Take care, Julie Cleanmean (talk) 19:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cleanmean: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating or editing an article about one's boss, while generally allowed, is one form of what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest and has to be disclosed. As for the error messages, each of these has a blue link labeled "help" which should explain what the error is and how to fix it. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Victor!! Cleanmean (talk) 21:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cleanmean Hello! WP:TUTORIAL has guidance on how to add add references correctly. Recommended reading: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and WP:conflict of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

See also Help:CS1 errors, for the page where all the help links mentioned above will link to. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Where the word "help" in the error message is in blue, this is a wikilink to specific help on that type of error. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

As well as the guidance on conflict of interest, referred to in one of the earlier replies, there are also further requirements regarding paid editing when you are editing Wikipedia as part of your job. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks David! Cleanmean (talk) 21:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Cleanman, issues like "missing or empty title" are easy to deal with. But Draft:Alex Lane has a more serious problem. To establish that he's notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, you'll need to find and cite several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of him, and base the draft on what they say. The draft cites only two sources, and they tell us very little about him. That he is "up-and-coming" suggests that there may not yet be any acceptable sources. Maproom (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Julie, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you're more or less starting your Wikipedia journey by taking on the most difficult task there is - creating an article - and making it even more difficult by writing about a subject you are connoected with. Please remember that what you are doing is not "creating a wiki page for" Lane but writing a neutral encyclopaedia article about him. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Neither of your current references says more than a few words about Lane. (The Filmthreats one says more about one of his films, but you are trying to write an article about him, not about Within). ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cleanmean, "up-and-coming" is an expression which Wikipedia editors see as a red flag, because notability is conferred by being already covered in depth in reliable, published sources. See WP:TOOSOON to see why promoting "up-and-comers" is contrary to the purposes of Wikipedia. Quisqualis (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks all! This guy has film, TV and commercial credits, and just produced an A-list film. Am resubmitting with more info in place. Appreciate all your help!! Cleanmean (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Cleanman, as you have told us that you are Lane's assistant, you are contravening Wikipedia's terms of service by continuing to edit without first making the mandatory formal declaration of your status as a paid editor (See that link for how to do so). If you continue editing without making the declaration, you are likely to find your account blocked.

Once you have made the declaration, your first and only priority in working on your draft should be finding at least three sources, each one of which is simultaneously reliably published, independent of Lane, and contains significant coverage of him (see those links for exaplanations of what they mean). If you cannot find at least three or more such sources, then every bit of work you do on the draft will be wasted effort, because it will never be accepted into Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

hello

ive heard that the coffe lounge from esperanza failed but is there anything similar you could recommend? Allaoii ^talk 22:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Allaoii. Is this a question about editing WIkipedia? If not, then this is not the right place for it, because this page is for new Wikipedia editors to ask for help and guidance in doing that. ColinFine (talk) 22:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

the isnt anywhere else to ask this where i might get an answer Allaoii ^talk 22:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoii This is the Coffee Lounge from WP:Esperanza. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

stop lieing Allaoii ^talk 22:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Allaoii I'm not; read the link above. The Teahouse is the Coffee Lounge's direct descendant and fills the same role it did. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

what link and i read the afd for coffee lounge it was a chat room Allaoii ^talk 22:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

If you can't see the link in my message above I'm not going to waste more time yelling at a brick wall. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

nvm thought you meant something else now please reply to the other part of my message Allaoii ^talk 22:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @Allaoii! the closest thing I know of to a socialization place like the former coffee lounge is the #off-topic channel of the discord and #wikimedia-social ^connect and #wikimedia-offtopic ^connect in IRC, both in external, unaffiliated places. happy editing!

i should probably check out and be more active in IRC too 💜  melecie  talk - 23:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

actually i just remembered something that could work but its never been used can you tell me how to get it going?

to find what im talking about go to department of fun and scroll to activities its the campfire one(im sorry i dont know how to do links) Allaoii ^talk 03:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Log in

I have 2 accounts. While trying to log in to my 2nd one, I placed all the username and password precisely and correctly. However, it displayed an error message and would not let me log in. I hadn't even changed my password. What is happening? I am getting worried Persura (talk) 22:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

What error? Being vague here doesn't help you or anyone trying to help you. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

It displayed incorrect username or password despite me adding the correct password and username Persura (talk) 22:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Usernames are case-sensitive (minus the first letter); is it possible you unwittingly added a different case letter on the username? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Although the problem has been resolved now (must've been a technical or background error, i'm no expert in software), I wholeheartedly appreciate you taking the time of your day to help me. Thank you, and have a great week. Persura (talk) 02:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

maybe you used the username or password for this one Allaoii ^talk 22:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Essays

Hi! I joined Wikipedia a month ago, and I would like to know: how you do you make an essay in your user namespace? Thank you! Professor Penguino (talk) 01:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

You create a user subpage to host the essay (User:(username)/(subpage title)), and then you just write it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Professor Penguino (talk) 02:12, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I didn't know how to create a user subpage. Could you tell me where I can find the option? Thank you so much! :) Professor Penguino (talk) 02:49, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Never mind! I figured it out! Once again, thank you! Professor Penguino (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I figure out what I'm good at contributing to?

Hello! I want to add to Wikipedia, but I'm not sure what I could contribute to, it feels like many articles that need help are stuff that's already been covered by others, or are not in my field of knowledge (or beyond what I currently know). Noilaedi (talk) 03:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Noilaedi: Surely there are subjects that interest you academically, professionally, or as a hobby. Look at some articles on those subjects. If you see vandalism, fix it. If you see a claim that needs a citation, find a reliable source and cite it. If you see spelling errors or grammar errors, or you can rephrase the prose in a more compelling (but neutral) way, then change it. Make small changes to start out. If a topic that interests you doesn't have an article, then go to WP:AFC and start one in draft space. See Wikipedia:Requested articles for a long list of topics that don't have articles. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will keep that in mind! Noilaedi (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I need help how submit my draft for review

I need help how submit my draft for review Troba4 (talk) 04:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Troba4: You don't have a draft article. You have a page in your sandbox with no content. You need to write an actual article draft before you can submit it for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Source with markup like [[rfc:9110]]

Source [[Banana]] renders as Banana, a link to the "Banana" page.

But source [[rfc:9110]] renders as rfc:9110, an external link to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc9110

Just curious, where can I find documentation about this behavior?

Thanks, netjeff (talk) 05:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi netjeff, welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Interwiki linking and meta:Interwiki map. The latter has the entry RFC //tools.ietf.org/html/rfc$1. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Contributions

Hi! Some time back I signed up recurring small contributions. I use wikipedia enough that I felt I should help a little. But, even though I have ongoing monthly contributions, I keep getting nags to make a contribution.

Not really a question, unless that would be why am I being nagged to do something I'm doing. FrogEggs (talk) 05:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@frogeggs: i'm pretty sure wikipedia doesn't nag you do edit wikipedia. are you talking about banners? you can shut those off in special:preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 05:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)