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Vandalism

Neil_Cross_(cricketer) is repeatedly being vandalized by 2 anonymous users. What should I do to report this? The last legitimate edit was [1]. I'm going to stop frivolously reverting edits, the page will just stay vandilized until the user is blocked or the page is locked. Fwaff (talk) 23:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Fwaff: You can request at WP:RFPP for the page to be protected against IP user edits (called semi-protection) RudolfRed (talk) 00:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Fwaff: Since all the recent vandalism occurred yesterday, I've protected the article for only a week. If the problem reoccurs after that, leave a message on my talk page, and I'll reprotect. Deor (talk) 17:31, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

VPN IP Block Exemption Userbox

Hello, I have recently acquired an VPN IP block exemption. Is there a userbox for this, I haven’t been able to find one. If so would someone please make one? I will invest my time for the next day after the custom box is made and I will invest it in editing a topic or article the person chooses if they make me a custom userbox.🙂 SmileyTrek (talk) 03:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

SmileyTrek, unfortunately, there is not. Feel free to create one though! Enjoy your stay at the teahouse! Heart ^(talk) 05:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@SmileyTrek: At Wikipedia:Userboxes there is a list of users who will create a userbox if you ask. RudolfRed (talk) 05:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@HeartGlow30797 and RudolfRed: Thank you to both of you (Sorry for two pings I accidentally forgot to log in so I erased my IP signature)! SmileyTrek (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

SmileyTrek, you might want to consider suppression so nobody can identify you... edit history is still a thing! Heart ^(talk) 04:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797 Thank you for the advice! I am new and very much value my privacy, so I will follow your example. SmileyTrek (talk) 20:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new category

Hi. How does one create a new category? Please, just a simple, user-friendly, short "how to", as I'm not technically very well-versed. Thank you very much, Arminden (talk) 05:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Arminden, there are multiple ways, however, I think the simplest way is to go to your URL and type "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:" and after "Category:", type in the title of the category and click go. Alternatively, create a red-link by typing [[:Category:]] in a sandbox, and after ":Category:", type in the title of the category and publish. Click the red-link. Both will get you to a page, click "Create" and you can create a category. If you instead need help assembling a category, please let me know! Enjoy your stay at the teahouse! Heart ^(talk) 05:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797, thanks again! Your advice was as useful as it was prompt. The first option worked like clockwork. Have a great day, Arminden (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Arminden I'm afraid HeartGlow30797 forgot one absolutely critical bit of advice. All categories must have at least one parent category. I have added to the category you created, Category:Architects in Ottoman Palestine the parent category Category:Architects of the Ottoman Empire. You will notice there that your new category is the only one that subdivides Ottoman architects by the various countries/regions of the empire, which is a somewhat lopsided situation. Given the fairly small number of Ottoman architect articles we currently have I'm not sure such subcategorisation is really needed. The question "how to create a category" only covers one part of the issue, one must also consider whether creating a particular category is really justified or neccessary. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Dodger67, thank you. I've been editing for quite a while, just haven't bothered much about the more technical aspects. I think I can quite easily deal with the question of "whether creating a particular category is really justified/neccessary". Israel has the issue of a) being a very young country, with lots of buildings dating back to a time when the State of Israel didn't exist yet, and b) of being a very much contested piece of real estate, with many militant editors keeping an eager eye out on real or alleged errors of "political correctness", even where one would least expect it, so... Arminden (talk) 15:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Gravity acceleration. Question: What readings would be obtained if a gravimeter is theoretically placed 2000 km below the earth surface? Will the mass above it affect the reading?

Gravity acceleration, Will the mass above a gravimeter theoretically placed at 2000 km below the earth surface affect the generally accepted reasoning of a vertical vector acting from that position to the centre of the earth? 197.91.242.132 (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 197.91.242.132. While your question sounds interesting, the Teahouse is really a place for asking questions about about Wikipedia editing or other things related to Wikipedia. Try asking your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk and perhaps someone will be able to help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes adding every vector for every bit of mass surrounding the gravity sensor will require summing all forces and directions using integral calculus, but yes drilling deep into the Earth will change the gravity measured. The deepest mines ever dug are still less than 4 km deep while the center of the Earth is 6000 km deep Electricmic (talk) 15:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Stopping a red link going to a disambiguation page

If I write [[author name]] and the author does not exist, it goes to the create an new page. However, if the [[author name]] is not unique, it goes to a disambiguation page. I don't want to add the new name to the disambiguation page - no red links. If I Leave the link disambiguating, a kindly bot writes on my talk page. How do I stop a red link that needs disambiguating, diambiguating? What is the best practice here? Sciencefish (talk) 10:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sciencefish, welcome to the Teahouse. You could pipe the link to a target other than the dab page. Example: [[Name of person (author)|Name of person]]. Regards, Zindor (talk) 10:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that's what I've seen. The trick appears to be to make the new link unique.Sciencefish (talk) 09:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia images

I have an issue with wikipedia the website feels out of date and old to be precise - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SmashingPumpkins-SiameseDream.jpg - this image is from 2007 - i think it should be updated to a much bigger one and as i am not allowed to edit that page - i guess the right person at wikipedia needs to be notified of such an issue i'm sure in 2007 it was a bandwidth issue to have such a small image - but in 2020?

i have noticed this with a lot of images on wikipedia - but this one made me want to do this
so if you can tell your boss to get it sorted that would be swell
it's kind of embarrassing to see a major historical website have such poor image quality frankly 62.228.224.203 (talk) 14:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@62.228.224.203: There is no "boss" here. Wikipedia articles are created, edited and updated by thousands of volunteer editors each day. If something is out of date, it probbably means that nobody came to update it yet or that there exist no reliable sources for a change. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The default image size is small for people reading Wikipedia on phones and other small screen devices. If you don't like the default image size, you can create an account and alter the image sizes that you see in "Preferences" "Appearance" - Arjayay (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

With respect to the specific image you are referring to, that is a copyright image, used under a claim of "fair-use" which means we cannot, legally, use a larger px size, as that would be a copyright violation - Arjayay (talk) 14:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) When it's about images, there's an even bigger problem: copyright. Most images on the net, or published anywhere, are copyright in ways that Wikipedia cannot use them consistently with its policies. Because this limits the available images, there are certain exceptions whether images are used under "fair use": typically for logos, album and book covers, and posters. One of these conditions (3b in WP:NFCC) is that they should be small and low resolution copies where possible. So where appropriate an image could be replaced by a newer one; but replacing it by a larger or higher-resolution image would be contrary to Wikipedia's policies, and risk infringing somebody's copyright. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Bias

Could you possibly be any more biased towards the left? 40.137.48.226 (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia; this is why the sources are presented to readers so they can examine and judge them for themselves. If you are willing to collaborate with others regardless of political viewpoint, and have independent reliable sources to support information you feel is needed, you are welcome to offer your suggestions on article talk pages. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes. But Earth's inner core obviously needs a more anti-left perspective. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure we could. There's far too much right wing propaganda in the corners of Wikipedia than there should be. Unfortunately, we live in a world right now, at least in the U.S., where correct, empirical facts are considered leftist pinko commie propaganda by many people living in a Fox News-Rush Limbaugh echo chamber, and the mainstream media (the most unbiased, just-the-facts corners of it), are branded leftist because they report reality. Actually they too have been compromised by the conservative movement into at least sipping the Kool-Aid, too scared to call out alternative facts as lies when they butt up against reality, and who think being unbiased is trotting out the kooksiest lunatic fringe to give their opinion on reality, on science; uggg, it makes me sick.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I am completely baffled regarding how to leave a comment on an article

I am trying to comment on the articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Industrial_Revolution I go to the talk page and then click on edit and I go the bottom and i see a line saying "

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate "

I cannot work out where to make my comment. Basically my comment is to say that the article is mostly quite good except that the para above the heading "German strategy" is totally dire and needs rewriting completely.

Thanks for all help

JontheDuke (talk) 16:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC) JontheDuke (talk) 16:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@JontheDuke: Just insert a blank line and type your section heading and comment beneath the last line of the talk page. That "The discussion above is closed" line refers to the move discussion that's currently the last section on the page. Deor (talk) 17:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

And, JontheDuke, thank you for wanting to help us improve it. Unfortunately, a comment like "XXX paragraph needs rewriting completely" probably won't have much effect, as we're all volunteers, and people work on what interests them. We have six million articles, and probably at least half a million of them have portions which need rewriting completely. If you have an idea for improving the paragraph, how about rewriting it yourself? Or if you're not confident to do that, suggest specific improvements to it on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Lester J. Brown

How do I write the reference and then publish? Rochellacooper (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rochellacooper. (Just for your information: you managed to remove a lot of questions on this page with your first edit; so somebody reverted your edit, and I then added back your question. Nobody will hold this against you, but you should know that this happened). Looking at Draft:Lester J. Brown, I'm afraid you have made a number of classic beginner's mistakes. (Again, don't worry: we all make them). One is trying to plunge in and create a new article, possibly the most difficult task there is in editing Wikipedia, without having spent some time learning how Wikipedia works. The second is writing an article from what you know: Wikipedia isn't interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). It is also not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves. It is only interested in what people who have no connection to the subject of the article, and have not been prompted or fed information by or on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish in WP:reliable sources. It follows that the first task in creating an article, before creating a draft or writing a word, is to find such reliably-published independent sources which discuss the subject at some length; because if you can't find such sources, then it is not going to be possible to write an acceptable article, and it is a waste of everyone's effort going any further. (The Wikipedia jargon for this is whether or not the subject is notable). Please have a look at your first article; and for references specifically, look at CITE. --ColinFine (talk) 17:40, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Setting up a personal page

Could you please follow through and set this up as a personal page. Julie Dee Bell (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Dr Julie Dee Bell Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "personal pages". It has articles, as this is an encyclopedia. Your user page is not article space, but a place for you to tell the Wikipedia community about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user. It is not a place for you to tell anything and everything about yourself. People merit a Wikipedia article if they receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to offer it, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, or in your case, a a notable academic. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged under the autobiography policy, as people naturally write favorably about themselves. Wikipedia is primarily interested in what others say about a person, not what the person says about themselves.

If you truly feel you can write about yourself in such a manner, you should first review Your First Article, then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft article for review by an independent editor. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

My first work

Hello, My first work was observed by Nathan2055. And it couldn't be accepted because of the language. I'd like to ask how can I transfer my article " Ծրագրակազմի Ճարտարագիտություն" from the English Wikipedia into Armenian Wikipedia ? GJ-artist (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

There is no such thing as Armenian Wikipedia. However, you can have your article translated to English by a professional. Put {{Not English|language|article or section|listed=yes/no}} at the top of the talk page, and fill out the sample text to notify the article needs translation. Le Panini ^Talk 18:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

What? Of course there is an Armenian Wikipedia – what made you think there wasn't? It is here. --bonadea contributions talk 18:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Wait, hold up. Did not know this existed. Sorry about that.

I figured out why I assumed there was no Armenian language. For some reason, I looked at the front page and saw those ten languages and assumed those were the only ones available. I clearly know that there are others if you literally just look to the left sidebar, but for some reason I forgot those existed. Le Panini ^Talk 20:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, GJ-artist. I don't think there's a way of transferring an article directly: you'll need to create an article hy:Ծրագրակազմի Ճարտարագիտություն in whatever way hy-wiki allows you to create articles, and then paste the source into it. (If you "edit" your sandbox with the source editor, you can then copy the whole content of the edit box). --ColinFine (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

GJ-artist and ColinFine I think that m:Help:Transwiki may give the answer. —teb728 t c 23:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

GJ-artist. The transwiki method has the advantage of preserving page history as required by copyright. But I see that you are the sole author; so ColinFine's copy-and-paste method would be easier. —teb728 t c 00:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Civilization

what is first civilization in earth 88.230.195.39 (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for asking questions about Wikipedia. Instead, go to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Le Panini ^Talk 18:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Limited info in English

Please tell me how a user can edit or add an article if the information related to the subject of the article is limited. Can one use information from the other languages? Polito.tashkent (talk) 18:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Polito.tashkent! WP:RS not in English are ok, see WP:NOENG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Trivia and pop culture sections on articles for everyday subjects

Hi. If anyone wants to take a look, a lot of our articles for numbers (ex. 20 (number)) are loaded with trivia sections pertaining to their usage in popular culture (like music, sports teams, and overall non-mathematic and irrelevant topics). Almost all of these are trivial things like a certain sports team containing a certain number of players (seriously?) or an album being named after a number. It's basically just an incorporation of the disambiguation page into the article, which is really redundant since we already link the disambig at the top of the article for readers to find different topics; we don't need repeats. Not helping is the fact that a majority of this information is unsourced.

There's also sections dedicated to certain privileges attainable at certain ages. Those might be helpful as we don't have certain articles for the ages (ex. "20 (age)", but then again there's nothing much to say about being a certain age and we already have separate articles denoting the various age spans from birth to old age), but they also suffer from the same problem of uncited statements, and we already mention these facts in the articles for the various stages of aging.

That said, is it really necessary to dedicate whole sections in number articles to its trivial details in culture? I think only stuff about the numbers' impact in mathematics and the history behind said numbers should be documented. Bearswitch (talk) 19:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bearswitch: This is something that you should bring up on the article's talk page and get consensus from other editors. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Bearswitch, I find that the information quite interesting in general although I can both understand that it can be overdone, and other editors would prefer less of it. while I can appreciate a mindset that believes an article about a number should restrict itself to the mathematical properties in the history of the number qua number, I suggest that members exist in many fields other than just mathematics, and that made sense to talk about the usage of the number in other contexts. Where else would you put such interesting information? I have more sympathy about the items that relate to the rather than the number, but I fear I am venturing into points that deserve to be made on the talk page rather than here. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Userbox Editor

How do I become a Userbox editor - meaning someone that can process requests into Userboxes? Charles Juvon (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC) Charles Juvon (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Charles Juvon. Providing you already know how to create Userboxes, and genuinely want to help other users, you can add your name here. At a hasty glance, I didn't see you've made any of your own, yet, though I'm probably mistaken. They're not too difficult to master. In a fit of lockdown madness the other day, I made this for a bit of entertainment:

This user is bike-curious

Enjoy! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Nick, Thank you for that answer. I thought Userboxes were under some sort of "bureaucratic" control to prevent misuse. So, I will try to make one. Charles Juvon (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: No. Within reason, you are free to create a userbox for your own, or others' use, although there are many that do exist already. Just avoid creating something that others may deem offensive, as that would almost certainly be deleted. Good luck. Let us know what you eventually create! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I don't see a tool for including an image from Commons. Charles Juvon (talk) 02:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: I'm a bit confused by that question - can you explain what you want to do? Adding a Commons image to a userbox is done manually - no 'tool' is needed to do that. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thank you again. I am starting to figure it out by copying and mutating current Userboxes.Charles Juvon (talk) 22:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

This user is a retired spook.

@Charles Juvon: That is a very sensible approach which I have deployed not only here, but on many other sites where my skill levels aren't quite up to the job, de novo, but where I can certainly contribute by following those who have gone before me! Weird userbox you've created, there! Although on my userpage I declare having worked for the CIA, I would never admit to having been a 'spook'. Who would do that? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: It's meant to be humorous. I disavow ever having worked (knowingly) for John_Deutch! LOL Charles Juvon (talk) 00:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: I know - I know! I like it. My own humorous declaration of my bipedal orientation falls in roughly the same vein. Keep it up. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

HostBot

I'm sorry about what happened, HostBot but i was trying to be a new member and trying to help Wikipedia. Pricegeorge212 (talk) 19:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Pricegeorge212, HostBot is a bot. They can't respond back. davidwr and ZimZalaBim are not, however. Le Panini ^Talk 20:38, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Infobox not working

Can someone tell me how to fix the infobox on Jermaine Johnson (basketball). He was elected to State Congress, but it's not showing up in the infobox. Please help. Thank you!  Pennsylvania2 (talk) 20:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Fixed here, Pennsylvania2. You had embedded the template in another one, but only closed one of the two. I also fixed an error with a parameter. --ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 21:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

GOP

I made a change. See below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)

This is not correct " GOP losing the presidential election and lead to significant GOP losses in other races. In one of the largest upsets in American political history,[116][117][118][119] Trump went on to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election."

How is it possible that the GOP lost the presidential election and then go on to defeat Hillary Clinton?

I wrote a correction "GOP won the presidential election and lead to significant GOP winning in other races. In one of the largest upsets in American political history,[116][117][118][119] Trump went on to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election." which is factual.

Why was it changed back? Gorrillawarfare changed it back an said it was not constructive. How is the truth not constructive? Suppressing the truth is censorship! Is that what Wikipedia stands for? 67.171.36.238 (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

You did not read the entire sentence – you changed a statement about Republicans being worried that their candidate would lose the election to say that they were worried that the candidate would win the election. (here is your edit). --bonadea contributions talk 21:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Someone put up an account in my name.

I found an account on here in my name "Fred Batt" but a lot of it was either just making a mockery of me or was wrong information so I altered the parts that were wrong or bad but they kept being changed back. I alyered it about 3 or 4 times.

I have just opened up another account in the same name but in capital letters, "FRED BATT" and altered the othe page,in my name "Fred Batt" to how it should be.

How can I make this permanent so nobody can just go on there and alter it.

I am the demonologist in the TV show Most Maunted so I probably get a lot of visitors on there. Hope someone can help.

Thanks

Fred FRED BATT (talk) 22:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

FRED BATT Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. So you have your terminology crossed a bit- someone created a Wikipedia article about you, not an account. You created an account for yourself. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that has articles. The vast majority of articles on this encyclopedia about people were created without involvement of the subjects(Donald Trump did not write the article about him). You should avoid directly editing the article about yourself per the autobiography policy, but if there are changes that you feel are needed and you can source them to a reliable source, please make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@FRED BATT: Hello from Derby - home of Richard Felix - who, I believe, also used to do some presenting on the Most Haunted TV show - though I've never watched it myself. (In fact, he used to pop in from time to time at our city's Museum where I worked for many years.) Hey, I'm sorry to hear you've encountered an article about yourself which you think needs correcting. However, the advice given above by 331dot is spot on. Obviously, if there is wholly malicious and uncited content about Fred Batt, you, like anyone else is free to simply delete it (explained at this page). We take very seriously anyone messing around with biographies of living people, just as we do if someone should choose a username of a famous person and use it to edit under. Please don't take it personally, but I feel I am obliged to give a 'SOFTBLOCK to your account - purely to protect the real Fred Batt. OK, that's probably you - but please understand that we have no way of knowing that, except that the message that will be left on your talk page will explain how you can send an email from a valid account to prove that the account is, well, legitimately you. Once that's done, your account will be unfrozen for you. You will be in good company - I did precisely the same thing to BBC TV news journalist, Mark Easton, a year or two ago (see here). He then simply sent in an email from the BBC to what we call our 'OTRS' Team to prove that, well, he was who he claimed he was. He wanted to remove cited content which gave a very biased picture of himself - which was probably quite justified. But we had no way of knowing without first blocking (and then unblocking) his named account. I hope you won't mind this inconvenience, which (honestly) is designed to protect you, and certainly not to not frustrate you. (See the third paragraph at WP:REALNAME for further explanation). Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2020 (UTC)      

Cite error references missing key

Hi there, the article I am working on for a Wikipedia Education class - Commercial Radio Australia, has just received a notification of a "cite error" at the bottom of the page, saying that two references are not used in the content. I am confused as to how this is the case - as both references are used in the article. Could someone help me with how to address/eliminate these?

I have also noticed that this Wikipedia page is flagged as having an "unclear citation style". This flag appeared before I cleaned up the notes and references sections. I have since polished the references to ensure there is a clear citation style - is there a way in which I can remove this template?

Thanks SM9237 (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

No, the references with those names are not used (i.e. there is nowhere in your article that contains the sequence <ref name="ACMA"/>). You have a similar reference (the same title, but a different URL) as reference 9. I haven't looked at the other one.

If you are happy that you have remedied the problem in the cleanup tag, you may remove it: simply find the template at the top of the source and remove it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

​@SM9237: As I previously advised you in Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1082#References appear in Notes section upon using "Cite" Tool, you should not just unilaterally change the citation style of an article to something you prefer per WP:CITEVAR. You should’ve at least tried to discuss this on the article’s talk page first or tried to adopt the style already established in the article. This kind of thing can sometimes lead to problems between editors, particularly when one of them is a new editor (like a student editor) who may not be very familiar with Wikipedia. The reason I tagged the article with {{Unclear citation style}} was because you were formatting the citations you were adding using a citation style different from the one established by earlier contributors. — Marchjuly (talk) 04:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

help me for contribution

HI... Guys Can any of you help me make articles about tv series such as making a list of characters and main articles per season, if any of you can contribute, I will be happy to contribute properly and correctly. besides that I also need a mentor related to that.

Thus I thank you Natean12 (talk) 00:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Natean12 (talk) 00:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a TV series you have in mind? In general, Teahouse hosts are question-answerers but not co-authors. David notMD (talk) 02:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

James Davidson, the Ornithologist

I have the proper picture of him as he is an ancestor of mine and I have a couple photos of him. The one I would recommend is part of a group photo of himself, his brother and sister and step sister, and father with his second wife. I think this Thumb link will work??

File:James Davidson -son.jpeg

/var/folders/nj/nc9vhss97td99m1_tf3wdgnr0000gn/T/com.apple.Preview/PreviewTemp-WrT8Dn/W4Y0m.jpeg

96.244.245.118 (talk) 01:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP, the file paths you've added look to be from locally on a Mac, i.e. only you can see them because they are stored on your computer, not anywhere on the internet. Dylsss^{(talk • contribs)} 02:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The article in question is James Davidson (ornithologist). Since he died in 1925, any photos you have are probably in the public domain. Please upload the photos to Wikimedia Commons. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Australia

Our town in Australia , NSW , Gwydir Shire Council 2402 have started to post council meeting recorded onto your site . claimed as being democratic . But the other day when I found them and listened to them , I reported some concerns with statements made during the meeting . Now this seems to have been removed and others can't hear the same comments , is this correct for them to remove sections and yet claim its being done to comply with the democratic ideal .

It's all new stuff here , but should they be able to remove information .

Thanks for any helpful information , its better we can at lest hear these parts .

Thanks David Goode 1.129.105.21 (talk) 02:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor "David Goode". I looked at the history of the Gwydir Shire article and do not see anything about council meeting records. There is no discussion at Talk: Gwydir Shire, which is the proper place to discuss changes to the article. Am I missing something? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Article Approval and Making it Encyclopedic

Hey there fellow editors, I had recently written an article on ELGi Equipments which got deleted for sounding to 'promotionalish' I wish to state that I do not have any connection to the company and I realized that I added too much citation by linking websites of the company and it's subsidiaries. I request you to help me out on this particular article in making it wiki friendly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elgi_Equipments

Thanks and Regards Fibrointech (talk) 04:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Fibrointech. An acceptable Wikipedia article neutrally summarizes what independent, reliable sources say about a topic, and references to those sources should be included, so that readers can verify what is in the article. Your draft includes only one reference and there are many paragraphs that are entirely unreferenced. That won't fly. Please read Your first article and follow the advice you will find there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

My article was not accepted

My article was not accepted so how can i ?? Madhav rabari 6464 (talk) 07:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Madhav rabari 6464/sandbox

Welcome to the Teahouse, Madhav rabari 6464. You can't! First, your draft doesn't say anything at all about you. Also, instagram is not an acceptable source. And finally, Wikipedia is not the kind of website that welcomes a Wikipedia:Autobiography. —teb728 t c 08:47, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

British Columbia

(This is the first time I have used the teahouse.) Hi there, you dont know me and I dont know you, but I'm currently involved in an edit war on the article British Columbia, I put a fact on there about the capital of BC, so I wrote that Victoria is on Vancouver Island, which is completely true. An administrator rejects my contribution and reverts it. He also emails an administrator on his talkpage regarding another one of my problematic edits on Donald Trump, I put it back up there (the fact about Victoria) when I noticed what he had done, so i wrote it again, a different admin reverts it. I dont want to get banned for edit-warring, and I have no idea why two admins would revert my edits on BC. If any of you guys could help me with this problem I would be extremely grateful. Thanks

82.40.130.75 (talk) 08:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC) 82.40.130.75 (talk) 08:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. Just because something is true doesn't mean it needs to be said. If someone reverts your edit, do not reassert it. Instead discuss the change you want on the article talk page, Talk:British Columbia. —teb728 t c 08:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The fact that Victoria is on Vancouver Island is stated in the geography section. The Wikilink to Victoria, British Columbia has the same information. In my opinion, it does not also need to be in the lead of British Columbia. As advised by teb728, if you disagree, try to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Pictures of notable people on Wiki articles that are not about those people

Is it appropriate to put a picture of a notable person (who has his own Wikipedia page) on other pages which are relevant to that person? For instance, in the case of Rodney Atkins, the country musician, I put a photo of him on two schools that he attended where his name is mentioned as a notable alumnus: Walters State Community College and Tennessee Technological University; plus on his hometown of Cumberland Gap, Tennessee; but another editor, AppalachianCentrist removed those pictures. Please tell me what the policy is for placing pictures in such cases, because I have seen many pages where notable alumni or people from a small town who became well-known, do have their photos on those related pages. Thanks. 64.90.222.203 (talk) 09:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse IP user. Page content is determined by consensus of the users editing the page. If someone reverts your edit, do not reassert it. Instead discuss the change you want on the article talk page. See WP:BRD. —teb728 t c 09:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Meta data in my photos can lead to my address. Can it be deleted?

As the subject says: can the meta data with my location be deleted from my pictures? Or can someone do this for me? Maybe it can be automated or something? I obviously don't feel too comfortable with the knowledge that people can find my home and get access to the things I photographed! Marc NL (talk) 09:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Marc NL: Three points: Firstly, in future, try to remember to delete exif data before uploading if youve set you camera to add personal information. Secondly, your question needs to be asked at Wikimedia Commons, which is where I assume your images were uploaded to. Thirdly, it's always best to approach an administrator there by email with your concerns, rather than using a public forum, as this tends to advertise the issue and thus make people go and look. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Translation in other languages

Hello dear ladies and gentlemen, my name is Sayyid Mir Israfil and am contributing to the following pages:

• Hazrat Ishaan
• Moinuddin Hadi Naqshband
• Sayyid Mir Jan
• Sayyid Mahmud Agha

I will be grateful, when you could add the translation of these articles from english into other languages, like: Arabic, Bahasa, Turkish, Russian, Urdu, Farsi etc. etc.

I am looking forward with thanks.

For easement you can also reach me per <redacted>

Thank you very much.

Sayyid Mir Israfil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayyid Mir Israfil (talk • contribs) 08:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Sayyid Mir Israfil. I have moved your post from the top to the bottom of the forum, which is where users expect to find new posts. I have also removed your contact information because Teahouse hosts do not contact guests off-wiki and because it is not a good idea to post it on this highly visible website. —teb728 t c 10:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Sayyid Mir Israfil. Everyone here is a volunteer. And This Teahouse is not a place where people who could make translations will see your request. But according to Wikipedia:Translation: To request a translation of an English Wikipedia article into another language, see the page in the foreign-language Wikipedia project corresponding to that page. You could use the sidebar links in the desktop version of that page to the foreign-language project page. —teb728 t c 10:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

My wikipedia pages stuck in review?

Hi I have submitted two pages one on a public figure/author!/activist called Scott McGlynn and a TV show called Car and Country. I submitted them nearly a month ago with no response, is this normal? To top it off Scott has had an email from a freelancer saying they spotted his page in review and have offered to perfect it so it will get reviewed/sorted quicker for a fee. This doesn't seem right, can someone offer advice for next steps? 146.90.58.149 (talk) 11:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

(Remember to log in before posting). On your draft it states "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,398 pending submissions waiting for review." I'm not sure how you are aware of a freelancer contacting the subject of your draft(do you have a conflict of interest?), but we cannot stop that from happening. Wikipedia does not endorse or encourage paid editing, but it is not against policy as long as the paid editor complies with the paid editing policy and declares that they are being paid. It's doubtful though that a paid editor could speed up the process, as there are a limited number of editors who review drafts. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The original poster is also being paid to edit Draft:Scott McGlynn. Theroadislong (talk) 12:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I can see no draft for a Car and Country article here [2]? Perhaps it is a different user?Theroadislong (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Why is the font so small and page format does not lend itself to font enlargement in Chrom browser?

 2605:B100:E014:C52B:41E8:DDED:6BB3:CBC7 (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

No one? Okay, I'll try to decode this.

2605:B100:E014:C52B:41E8:DDED:6BB3:CBC7, you can zoom in by holding down the ctrl key and + key. Could you please describe your issue? If its not Wikipdia related, go to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Le Panini ^Talk 20:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Parler Social Media Article/Page

Hello, I would like to edit the Parler article (specifically the "useage" section) to reflect Facebook and Twitters growth in their first 2 years of operation. This would be to provide contrast for Parler's performance since their founding and would provide fair and balanced projections to future investors and users.

How would I go about doing this? I have done the research and most of it is posted on the respected wiki articles about the history of facebook and twitter.

thank you 172.58.188.12 (talk) 16:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. With all due respect, you appear to be one of the IPs from this discussion. Please read WP:SOCKPUPPETRY for an explanation of Wikipedia's policies on this. If I am incorrect for assuming this, please reply with a valid reason. Thanks! Heart ^(talk) 16:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Using different IP addresses is not sockpuppetry- many users have dynamic IPs, so their IP addresses frequently change. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, I am not a puppet or a robot, I use my cellphone right now but I can create an account if I have to? It is understandable that my question might offend you as wiki articles and its users are known for bias, but none the less it is a legit question and I would like to know what I needed to to to have said contrasted information added to the Parler article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.188.12 (talk) 17:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

It appears I have been mistaken, you can request an edit by reading WP:EDITREQUEST as the page is protected at the current moment! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Heart ^(talk) 17:07, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Registering an account not necessary, but per Heart's answer, article currently locked. At Talk for the article, be specific as to your proposed changes, including references. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. That sounds like original research to me. If you can find a reliable source independent of both companies that compares the growth of two companies, then that comparison may possibly be appropriate in either or both articles, but in the absence of an published independent comparison, it would be quite improper to talk about another company's performance in an article. Note that providing "fair and balancecd projections to future investors and users" is no part of Wikipedia's mission. The fact that you want to do so makes me wonder if you have a connection with Parler? If so, please read Conflict of interest carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there... "it would be quite improper to talk about another company's performance in an article" Yes that is quite ironic because that is all the "usage" section on the Parler article I am referring to does, all that it talks about is Facebook and Twitters performance lol, so you see the irony? In fact reading the "usage" section prompted me to my investigation of the first two years performance of Facebook and Twitter.

Thank you both for your help, I will research further and see what I can accomplish.

Steven

Not Autoconfirmed?

Hello, I was recently trying to fix a very simple and uncontroversial error on this page and found it was semi-protected. Only autoconfirmed users can edit. My account is many years old and I have made many edits, but my activity has been sporadic. (I have gone years between edits occasionally.) Is there some way to find out why my account is not autoconfirmed? Thanks! Apollo reactor (talk) 18:48, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Your account is autoconfirmed. Ruslik_Zero 19:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Richard Miller (cryptographer)

Link: Draft:Richard Miller (cryptographer)

What could be done to improve this draft? Is there anything I can do to make the review process easier or expediated? Anthonymarvinogallagher (talk) 22:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Here's how it starts: "Richard 'Z' Miller is an American cryptographer, and composer. He has been influential in the development of cryptography throughout the 2010’s and is an active researcher in the field." The draft thereafter seems to say nothing whatever about his compositions or research, to say nothing that's both clear and referenced about his cryptography, and to say nothing about his influence other than something obscure about "Qanon". There is something about his cryptography, but it's sourced to an obscure website that seems to have taken what it says from 4chan (oh dear). All this seems utterly unconvincing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Anthonymarvinogallagher: Improve? Yes, of course: please read this page. You wrote: "Miller is known for being a ‘privacy freak’." Doh! That's really going to piss him off, then, isn't it. This looks like a hoax article, with pictures taken by you claiming to be him. (Clearly a lover of privacy). Certainly nothing that would meet WP:NBIO. Move along please, everyone. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Well said, Nick Moyes; but before moving along, I started commons:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:RichardZMiller.jpg. Somebody may wish to examine the second illustration too. -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary: Interesting. This second image is attributed to secrecy freak, RichardMiller, but uploaded by Anthonymarvinogallagher, who has redirected the author link for Miller to their own userpage on Commons. But it claims to come from a mysterious group called Cicada 3301, on whose page mystery man Miller is not mentioned. Even if genuine, the image must belong to Cicada 3301, and not one or other of the project users involved in this weird draft. There is already a non-free image rationale on that page for the Cicada logo, and a second image, even under a non-free rationale, seems inappropriate. I have therefore nominated it for deletion as a copyvio. There really is too much 'woo-woo' in this draft (and nothing linking to properly published WP:RS that meets Wikipedia notability criteria) for it to do anything but linger as a draft until such time as it is deleted. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:22, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Rollback permissions for alternate account

Hi fellow Wikipedians,

I currently have two accounts - an alternate one and a primary one. My primary one's been granted the Rollback user right. Does this implicitly suggest my alternate account should automatically have the same privilege when (or if) I ask at WP:Requests for permissions/Rollback? Please ping me using {{ping}} when you post a reply. Thanks. Silikonz (alternate account) (💬│🖋) 00:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Silikonz-alt: Not automatic. Your main account only just got that right, so I would suggest use it on your main account unless you can demonstrate a need to have it on two accounts. RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Silikonz (alternate account) (💬│🖋) 00:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Need help with Judge Roy Bean episode section

I've just spent most of today trying to add an Episode section to the article Judge Roy Bean. I've added episodes to other TV series articles, but today I kept getting formatting messes, and finally ended up with something that wasn't horrible. But there are two mistakes.

When viewing the article there are two }} at the beginning of the section, and I can't figure out why. Also, the References title was appearing before the Episodes, so I deleted ==References== temporarily, planning on putting it back in once I got the Episodes straightened out, but now I can't figure out how to put it back into the article so that it appears in the proper place.

Right now I can't think straight, so could some kind soul go to Judge Roy Bean and fix my mistakes for me. Thank you in advance for correcting my problems. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I just checked Judge Roy Bean and the problems have been fixed. Thank you to all the Teahouse experts who help editors, like myself, who know many things, but sometimes get stumped by problems we can't figure out how to fix. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Is Warren Zevon's "Accidentally Like A Martyr" notable or should I move on to something else?

Hello Wikipedia Editors! I am new to this so please excuse anything odd I do here. (And polite advice correcting my behaviour is welcomed!)

I created a DRAFT Article on Warren Zevon's song 'Accidentally Like Martyr'. I did this because on the main Warren Zevon article there is a list of five song in the opening paragraph: "Poor Poor Pitiful Me", "Accidentally Like a Martyr", "Mohammed's Radio", "Carmelita", and "Hasten Down the Wind". All of these songs except "Accidentally Like a Martyr" have separate articles. I felt possibly it should also have a separate article -- but I'm still new at determining notability. So I wrote of the draft. In doing so I found significant references from different sources. The article was rejected for lack of notability by a very knowledgeable editor (WP.NSONG)

So my question is: Should I work to improve the support for the draft article or should I forget it and move along to something else?

Thanks! Rob J RJHeron (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

RJHeron Your draft Draft:Accidentally Like a Martyr was Declined actually, which is less severe than Rejected. Reasons given by the reviewer, including not meeting the guidelines at WP:SONG. Be aware that some of the songs you listed as examples are in fact articles, but criticized for lacking references. David notMD (talk) 02:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Magazine cover

I tried to insert the cover of a magazine in the page that belongs to that magazine and it does not let me. Why? Newseditorusa (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Newseditorusa. What happens when you try? Does the problem happen when you try to upload the cover image or when you try to use it in the article? See Help:Files. —teb728 t c 03:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Editing changes nothing

Every time I try to edit the gallery of this page, nothing happens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Dandini I want to add links to the people in the gallery and add dates of the paintings. I fill out the edits like normal, and when I click preview it shows that I have edited, but once I publish they disappear and nothing in the article is changed. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Welcome to the Teahouse, Helpfulwikieditoryay. What are you trying to do? I was able to add a Wikilink with this edit. —teb728 t c 03:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Most of the titles need links, such as St Ines, St Cecilia, Armida, Magdalene. I want to add dates to the works as well. I try to edit and nothing happens. I publish the changes and it just stays the same as before. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. So what specifically are you trying to do with St Ines. Presently it is

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''St Ines''</center>

—teb728 t c 04:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I want to make it link to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome while it stays titled as St Ines Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)Helpfulwikieditoryay

Helpfulwikieditoryay. Done with

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''[[St Ines]]''</center>

If you tried

File:Cesare Dandini Santa Inés.jpg|<center>''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Rome St Ines]''</center>

That probably would fail because bracket inside a gallery tag can only be used for "wikilinks", which maybe do not include external links. If St Ines were not redirected to Agnes of Rome, the wikilink would be [[Agnes of Rome|St Ines]]. —teb728 t c 06:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Article full of jokes, false information

Hey, I just thought I'd leave this here. Many lines are obviously a joke. Not sure if this is the right place for this. This place seems to be the closest I could find to a centralized message-board area for people who are interested in cleanup or whatever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matball 108.3.158.104 (talk) 02:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome to the teahouse and thanks for bringing this to our attention! I've restored an old version of the page with the vandalism removed and have warned the editor involved. Many thanks, Ed talk! 02:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Acceptable sources

Hello fellow wikipedians! I am currently writing an article on a YouTuber, and used "unacceptable sources" such as Twitter and SocialBlade. I was wondering what sources would be acceptable because other sources that I could find were all dubiously unsourced. Cheers! Azpineapple (talk) 05:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Azpineapple: see WP:RS. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

And WP:BLP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Azpineapple I'm afraid very few proposed articles on YouTubers succeed in establishing their notability. I suggest you read WP:NYOUTUBE for guidance.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you all so much! Azpineapple (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Please review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kin_Lane

I would appreciate another review on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kin_Lane. Both European Commission and the US Supreme Court are used as independent sources. Thank you. GoodNickBB (talk) 07:47, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB, An amicus curiae brief is not a reliable source that shows notability. If this person is going to have an article, you must show that they are notable by using sources that talk about Lane, not just by Lane. Has Lane been covered in a major newspaper? Gotten a profile in the NYTimes? Won a prestigious award? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

GoodNickBB Comment on those 2 sources. The European Commission one is a passing mention, not what is demanded at WP:BASIC. The AB thing is not independent since he's a part of it, presumably he wrote the text about himself at least partly himself. See also WP:BLPPRIMARY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted

Why is talk thyme removal of copyrighted images erratic?
From my talk page:
" Most but not all copyrighted are marked for removal. A ROBOT was my erroneous postulate because, for example, AGATE_IMG_4478 image is marked for removal with a stated reason that author and source are not identified, HOWEVER, just below the removal warning is a template which identifies the author and source as me. -- Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC) " ( PROBLEM LIST https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=50&user=Mawcowboybillsbrick7&ilshowall=1 ) Please help me remove my violations which I have yet to be accused by talk thyme for copyright violation. I AM LOCKED OUT OF COMMONS BY HERBY BUT HERBY IS OUT! -- Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 09:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

If you've been blocked on Commons, then you will need to appeal your unblock over there, as English Wikipedia has no control over Commons. But I can see that many of your uploads contain copyright and all rights reserved on them, which is not compatible with a free licence that Commons requires. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

And as explained on your talkpage, Herbythyme is not a robot- they are a human who has been reviewing your images. Please stop calling them a robot, as this could be perceived as a personal attack. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Again: you have a temporary block at Commons. Have you tried to post to your Commons user talk page? According to your block log, you are not prevented from doing that. In case you are in fact not able to post to your Commons user talk page now, you can address that by email to the blocking administrator, as described here, but since your block will expire in a couple of days, you could also simply wait it out. --bonadea contributions talk 09:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Trump Nobel nomination

Hi, I want to mention the two Nobel peace prize nominations to Donald Trump’s profile. I have no idea how to find the admin who can approve this, can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactfinderNZ (talk • contribs) 10:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

FactfinderNZ Admins do not approve or deny edits. Wikipedia does not have "profiles", it has articles. You are welcome to make the edit yourself, or if you cannot, make an edit request on the article talk page. Please check the article carefully, I'd be surprised if that hasn't been mentioned yet, though. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Since anyone can be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, this is somewhat meaningless.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Note: this user is now blocked. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Blocked for making legal threats concerning a different article. Has withdrawn legal threats as part of request to have block removed. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Editor on my page

Hi! Could someone please inform me, whether I can make someone else editor on my page? Thanks a lot! Helen Schott (talk) 11:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Helen Schott. Pages on Wikipedia do not have just one editor: almost anyone can edit almost any page. Does that answer what you want to know? —teb728 t c 11:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Helen Schott, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that you have done what many new editors do, and plunged straight into possibly the hardest task there is - creating a new article - before having learnt how Wikipedia works. As teb728 says, almost anybody in the world can edit almost any article (or other page): nothing belongs to a particular editor. However, the page where you have tried to create an article is your User page, which is not for articles, but for you to share (if you choose) some information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor.

The article you have started to write there shows another very common mistake for new editors: you have written it without including any references. This is like building a house and expecting to add the foundations afterwards: the references are, in a very real way, the foundations of any Wikipedia article. Please have a look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine (talk), thanks for the information. I know I did not put references, but I have not finished at all yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen Schott (talk • contribs) 13:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Helen Schott: Just to try to help you understand: It is convention that nobody edits another person's sandbox article(s) unless the user who created it explicitly invites someone/others to do that (or if another editor spots unacceptable content such as copyrighted material). Whilst Draft articles are more open for others to edit, it is still also common practice for most other editors to stay away. But if any do spot errors or want to add suggestions, they are free to do so, and I hope you'd be understanding of that. Once a draft article has been accepted into the main encyclopaedia, absolutely anyone is free to contribute to its improvement, of course.

BTW: When drafting articles it is always better to start by collating the references, and then only to use what they say to write article content. That way (and especially when you have a conflict of interest, or know someone personally) you don't fall into the trap of writing what you happen to know, rather than only what existing sources say. I admit to having done both, myself, but the second way is better. Here's a helpful guide on citing sources such as books, journals or websites: WP:REFBEGIN.

Also: I have re-enabled your main Userpage for its intended purpose (i.e. to say a little about yourself and your editing interests, rather than being a redirect to your draft) and have copied your COI declaration from Draft:Ron M.A. Heeren to that page for you.  Does that all make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nick Moyes thanks again for the information, although it sounds very complicated, but I will try to manage. I would like to invite a colleague who is copywriter and has more experience with this to my sandbox so that she can edit. Could you tell me how I should do that? Or where I can find that instruction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen Schott (talk • contribs) 15:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Why submitting the draft for review

If editors can move a page from draft to article directly, then why there is the process of submitting the draft for review. Adishere (talk) 12:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Adishere. I think there are a couple of reasons for this.

1. Not all editors may be able to move a page. I believe only WP:AUTOCONFIRMED accounts can do so, but there might be other reasons as to why an editor might not be able to do so.
2. Not all editors should be moving a page. Lots of poor articles are created by editors who might mean well, but just don’t know enough about creating a proper Wikipedia article to do so; so, lots of articles (particularly by newer editors) often end up being draftified or otherwise tagged or nominated for deletion. There are also editors who might be trying to create articles about subject for which they have a WP:COI or maybe even are subject to WP:PAID; so, even though these editors might mean well, they might not have a good understanding of WP:NOT and there effort might be too promotional or too soon for a Wikipedia article to be written.

Submitting a draft for review is optional, but drafts accepted by experience reviewers do seem to have more staying power when it comes to Wikipedia notability because reviewers generally don’t accept drafts that they think will end up quickly nominated for deletion for lack of notability. It’s not a 100% guarantee that a draft approved by a reviewer will never end up nominated for deletion, but there does seem to be less of a chance of that happening. Even so, many good articles have been created that were never submitted for review as a draft. So, if someone thinks they can create a proper article without submitting a draft, then they’re free to give it a try. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adishere: I'll just add, if I may, that everything put into what we call 'Mainspace' (i.e. the live encyclopaedia that everyone can see) needs to be of encyclopaedic quality right from the very start. If it isn't, it's highly likely to be deleted - often 'speedily deleted' - as 'promotional' or 'non-notable'. Only if a poor article is deemed to have a degree of merit worth improving might it be moved into draft space. By contrast, an editor submitting a draft via Articles for creation process is able to receive helpful feedback as to what needs to be addressed to make it acceptable. It can be submitted multiple times (providing genuine steps have been made to improve it between each one). Using a metaphor of an athletics track, whilst going via AFC might initially seem to be placing extra hurdles to jump over to reach the finishing line of Wikipedia Mainspace, the alternative is that someone trying to reach that finishing line by taking a shortcut is quite likely to simply find themselves disqualified, and with no leeway given. Whichever of these two routes are taken, all the new articles arriving in Mainspace still have to go through one further 'New Page Review' process before we allow Google to index them. At that point it can be deleted, draftified or send for a deletion discussion. Each step has its backlogs, so patience is always needed, as everything here is done by volunteers who give their time generously. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Do I always need third-party sources

If I want to update numbers for a company, like revenue or AUM, which on the Wiki article are outdated, but the only place I can find more recent numbers is the company's own website, can I use the website as the source for the new numbers? Thanks. Pollstart (talk) 13:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Pollstart. Yes, for minor details like staff numbers, number of fleet vehicles, turnover, it's normally accepted that using links from the company's own website is acceptable if no other source can be found. Please make sure you don't forget to check any existing link is also updated to reflect newer content. Such sources should not, however, be used to write about the company in broader terms. Here, as you clearly understand, reliable third party sources are needed, and not those based upon press releases from that company. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Upload image

Hi, Is there any body who can tell me how to upload my image on wikipedia. Tahirabbasbaig (talk) 14:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tahirabbasbaig: Try the Upload Wizard at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Tahirabbasbaig: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't try to upload an image of yourself to accompany the page you created about yourself (Tahirabbasbaig). I'm afraid I have just deleted it. You might have been under the impression that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit and that anyone can create a LinkedIn-like profile about themselves here. The former is true; the latter is certainly not. We are not a free hosting site for people, and any image of that sort would be deleted, as would any such article. Sorry this sounds harsh, but this encyclopaedia is only for articles about Notable topics or Notable people. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahirabbasbaig (talk • contribs) 16:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Athletic Newham FC page

We would like to change the club badge 84.67.93.11 (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP user, I have uploaded the new logo File:Athletic Newham Logo.jpg for you, and changed the logo on the Athletic Newham F.C. page. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Image question

I uploaded an imaged that had a mistake and said it was copyrighted but it is a free content image Waarmo (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Waarmo. Please make our lives much easier by kindly linking to the image you uploaded and also linking to the source from where it came from. How do you know the image was incorrectly copyrighted, may we ask? I assume this relates to images you want to use at Draft:Paul F. Yount. It's worth adding (having looked at your talk page) that 'fair use' images can only be used in mainspace articles, and not in drafts or userpages. If that's the issue, you would need to wait until your draft is accepted at AFC review, and only then upload an appropriate image. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Here c:File:Paul_F_Yount.jpg is the image i wan too upload and there is no legal copyright on this image. I typed copyright on the image but the artist has told me that there is no legal copyright on the image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waarmo (talk • contribs) .

@Waarmo: What the artist "tells you" is irrelevant. If there's no Creative Commons commercial re-use licence (or equivalent) on the site you took it from, you may not upload it. It's especially annoying that you've now uploaded the same image twice, as the first time it was marked for deletion (see here).

If the artist genuinely wants to release the image for commercial reuse, we can't just go on their say so from you. They may, however, follow a set procedure that Wikimedia Commons has, which will involve them sending in an email to what is called their 'OTRS' Team, including a set form of words which the experts there will check and approve the image for Commons -reuse. If you are in close contact with the artist, the alternative is for you to ask them to release it with an appropriate CC-BY-SA licence statement on their own website. You didn't give me a link to it, so I'm unable to check if they've done that, and am not willing to spend time wading through websites on the off-chance of finding it. Of course, if you do know the artist, please ensure you declare your Conflict of Interest on your talk page, if you've not already done so. I would suggest it best to wait until your draft has been accepted before asking anyone to jump through all these hoops. I should also point out that we here at English Wikipedia don't deal with images - the administrators over at Wikimedia Commons have a help noticeboard where you can seek more detailed advice. Does this all make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Why do edits disappear after "preview" is selected?

I spent about an hour doing proposed edits to an article, selecting "preview" to look at my progress. When I returned to "edit" funciton my edits were gone. Did I hit the wrong link? Vernon Miles Kerr (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Vernon Miles Kerr, It seems you probably used your browser to navigate out, instead of using the 'x' button in the preview window. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 16:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@Vernon Miles Kerr: That can be really annoying. Another cause (where I sometimes lose edits myself) is when I use my mobile phone to edit from. I might pause for a while and then return, only to find the phone's first action is to wake up, refresh the screen for me, and thus lose all my edits. It is never wise on any platform to spend an hour editing without saving - and the same goes here on Wikipedia. Previewing is always sensible, but I'm sorry you lost your hard work and that it doesn't put you off from contributing. Making smaller edits and saving each one with an edit summary really is the best way to proceed. It also allows you to find and perhaps revert specific edits you don't like without removing all the rest. Every page here has a 'View History' tab or link which lets you see the history of every (saved) edit made to it from the day it was created. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Unreferenced editing at Mitch Craft

Hi All! I'm unsure how to deal with this. The BLP article at Mitch Craft has been heavily edited today by one or more IP editors (the IPv6 addresses are very similar but not identical), mostly without citing any sources. I was going to revert it all back to the last edit before today (from Feb 2018), but that was also pretty poorly referenced; in fact, the article has had the BLP refimprove tag on since 2014. I then thought of proposing it for AfD on notability grounds, but I couldn't work out whether it satisfies WP:NGRIDIRON or not. Any advice welcome. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: I can only address one point, and will leave it to others to answer the rest (as I detest sports articles - sorry). All those edits were made by one user (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1700:5030:28B0:113D:6743:97CD:2413/64)

Many IPv6 users have systems that regularly, and without them knowing, switch addresses within what's know as the '/64 range' Normally this is innocent - unless you can see damaging edits and a person switching to avoid detection. All you ever need to do is add /64 to the end of the url of an IPv6 editor's list of contributions to see all the edits they've made, irrespective of precise address details. Obviously, uncited and disputable new content should be removed immediately if it is damaging to the person or their reputation. Or you could flag areas of concern with a {{cn}} template. I must leave others to comment on the edits themselves or further actions on notability you may take (Dinner is also calling). Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)    

Where to put references

In Wikipedia, what is the classic way of placing references? In other words, should I put references before or after the period? D4135t (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC) D4135t (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

If you mean whether <ref> tag comes before or after punctuation, it's after. In other words, first close the sentence, then reference it: ...end of sentence.<ref> -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)