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Recusing....

Okay, have thought about this one for a few days. I think it's best if I recuse due to significant interactions with multiple parties in the request. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:10, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

As soon as I find time, I shall, then, be emailing ArbCom to reinforce my request that DGG should also recuse, now that some of my evidence of the problem with WPMEDF is on the Evidence page. Alternately, they might consider this request sufficient, and review what is on the page already, and take up that request without gumming up the arb-maillist. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:10, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Casliber are you able to call my evidence re WPMEDF to the attention of the arb maillist, or does bureaucracy require that I formally send an email? I was not aware of the correct process when I initially made the request, until it was pointed out to me, and I have held off from doing this until my case could be better explained in evidence (and there is more still). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I am also recusing; I had told Cas I would recuse also if he thought it necessary to recuse. I am not at this point planning to testify, as I have no involvement with the issues and therefore nothing to add. DGG ( talk ) 18:51, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Darn it ... I just put my request in the mail to the arbs, so please disregard. Much appreciated, DGG. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Must be a network delay, it's time-stamped 2:59, which is 18:59 ETC. DGG ( talk ) 20:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Odd ... the "sent" time on my email says :51. I had just pushed the send button when I came here and saw this. But there is something dreadful going on with Wikipedia servers that is seriously impeding my ability to put my evidence together, because all of the tools are freezing. Something is pretty messed up. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I've seen the same. There were some real problems last night, especially with anything involving complex templates. And since the clerks had not yet moved me to recused, or perhaps it had not yet gotten through the servers, I just edited the template to do it myself. DGG ( talk ) 22:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I am relieved to hear that, because I have been so exasperated. First, waiting up to 15 minutes to get a diff, then repeatedly not being able to preview posts, then finally just posting whatever I could get through in exasperation in between outages, knowing I would have to fix it later ... explains the last two days for me, and a good part of today as well. I feared I would have to call for tech support or to upgrade my internet service, at a time when I don't want to let a strange technician in my house. I hope tomorrow is better. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: Resigned to the realization that part of the problem is WMFLabs lagging, so that I cannot adequately access the tools for finding diffs, a bigger problem is my internet connection speed. I have spoken with the tech department of my provider, and might have a faster connection by tomorrow. I apologize for the delay in finalizing my evidence; this has been very slow going and frustrating over here, but I hesitated to upgrade when I feared it would mean having a technician come out during the pandemic (when I switched providers, they did the install wrong). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I've been having similar problems with lag for editing history and diffs. You have much more patience that I. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, don't laugh too hard at my expense, but it turns out I am operating at 30/10, and they can move me to 125/125 for the same price. (I don't actually know what those numbers mean, but I can see there is a big difference :) But ... I am uncertain if a change in speed will solve the problem, because I was not home when the technician first installed service here, he did it wrong, and I have to connect all of my computers through a thingie that transmits Wifi, rather than being direct. To solve that, I need a new install-- guy did not run the cables around the house as he should have. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikiblame, when I can get it to work, has repeatedly given me the error Resource Limit Is Reached. I've never seen such problems before over a period of days. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Motion: Removal of Unused Contentious Topics, Medicine (October 2023)

Original discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Remedy 2 of Medicine ("Contentious topic designation") is rescinded. Any actions previously taken in accordance with the contentious topic authorization remain in force and are governed by the procedures.

For this motion there are 9 active arbitrators, not counting 1 recused. With 1 arbitrator abstaining, 5 support or oppose votes are a majority.

Majority reference

Abstentions	Support votes needed for majority
0–1	5
2–3	4
4–5	3

Enacted - –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Support:

1. The CT has never been used --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 19:45, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
2. Primefac (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
3. Izno (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
4. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 23:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
5. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
6. Cabayi (talk) 11:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
7. I suspect that the user-specific remedies issued in this case more or less dealt with the problem on their own. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

1. I'm recused on this as I was the party who filed the case. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
2. SilkTork (talk) 22:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Arbitrator views and discussions (Medicine)

• Drugs have prices? Thank goodness for the NHS. Cabayi (talk) 11:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Community discussion (Medicine)

Can confirm what Guerillero says - this CT has never shown up at AE. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 16:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you to the Arbs for taking the time to reduce the CREEP from these unnecessary CTOPs. I'll miss SAQ, though. And Cabayi, if it costs money to touch your own baby after giving birth, of course we are going to charge ridiculous prices for drugs. HouseBlaster^talk 14:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.