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Middle East[edit]

2023–24 Porsche Carrera Cup Middle East[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. Stats-only article for a season with no sources other than themselves about a series which doesn't have an article. GNG sourcing of the season per se is unfindable and unlikely to exist. The series itself would probably be a good topic for an article. But there is nothing here to move to it. North8000 (talk) 13:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The series are new. I'm guessing an offshoot of the Porsche Carrera Cup Germany? The lack of sources is dire, but are you sure none of this was written about? Geschichte (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First to reinforce, this article is not about the series, it's stats for 1 season of the series. There is no article for the series. On your question, I'm never sure that something doesn't exist but I looked and couldn't find any real coverage of the season, much less GNG coverage. North8000 (talk) 00:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The Porsche Carrera Cup Middle East could be notable, but I don't see enough coverage for this collection of stats. Cortador (talk) 12:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some sources mentioning PCCME - Australians talking about Walls and Jones (here), or Middle Eastern sources referring to PCCME as a F1 or WEC support event (here). The series is notable as a support event on two Formula One events, as well as WEC support during 1st Bahrain round. Apart from that, a lot of notable drivers took part in the races including Theo Oeverhaus, Harry King, Harri Jones, Robert de Haan or F3 Charlie Wurz. The series doesn't have an article, as it's very new, but it may be created by me in coming days. So, I think that the season is notable enough to not delete the article. Maceekim (talk) 13:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of a parent topic isn't passed down to articles of the same topic. Cortador (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, seasons are not presumed notable under the SNG. So the the relevant definition of wp:notability is having suitable GNG coverage, not the elements which you are listing. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify in anticipation of the series article being created. It is new and looks pretty notable, and having this in draft space is completely fine. Geschichte (talk) 08:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bahrain[edit]

Bahrain Proposed deletions[edit]

Egypt[edit]

New Capital Sports Hall[edit]

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Small sports stadium lacking in depth coverage in reliable independent sources. Mccapra (talk) 07:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep What do you mean with small sports? Handball is the second biggest team sport after football in the world. For your information the WC 2019 which was played in this hall hat at cumulative TV audience of 1.2 billion. Now to the hall if you google the Arabic name "الصالة الرياضية بالعاصمة الإدارية الجديدة" there are some stories like: [1], [2], [3], [4] 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 09:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that the hall itself is small, not that the sports it hosts are small. As to the sources you’ve provided above, none of them offers in depth coverage of this particular hall. They just confirm it exists, that it seats 7500-8000 people and it’s part of the larger Olympic complex. They are either about the handball matches or about the Olympic city. The sports complex as a whole looks notable and therefore potentially a redirect target, but it doesn’t seem to have been written yet. Mccapra (talk) 14:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I think the sports hall is good enough with sourcing and notability to be kept here. While Arabic sources may not be the best, they do help fill the gap in sourcing. Old-AgedKid (talk) 10:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, If the article stays, it should be on the proviso of improving it and adding a lot more to it. Shouldn't stay as 2 lines. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There isn’t really anything to add though, that’s the problem. It’s not an expandable stub. Mccapra (talk) 15:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nothing at all? MaskedSinger (talk) 16:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Osirica[edit]

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Purported masonic order that is briefly mentioned in some afrocentric books from George G. M. James, Asa Hilliard and Yosef Ben-Jochannan. The concept is spelt as either 'Osirica' and 'Osiriaca'. Although tagged as a possible hoax, it doesn't seem to be one. The idea exists, though it's not notable enough and the works it appears in are rejected by most historians. Sgubaldo (talk) 12:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep -- In addition to the (probably not RS) books mentioned above this order is also discussed in C.H. Vail's "Ancient Mysteries and Modern Masonry" and "African-American Artists and Art Students: A Morphological Study in the Urban Black Aesthetic." which is a Penn State dissertation by M.N. DePillars. This is enough to meet the GNG even though these sources aren't currently used in the article. Central and Adams (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, as per Central and Adams. -Samoht27 (talk) 18:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Egypt Proposed deletions[edit]

Iran[edit]

Road 89 (Iran)[edit]

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Contested PROD. I cannot find any evidence that Road 89 actually exists. The Google Map between the purported termini does not show any road labels (where it does show others in the area. One of the two provided sources is a map that shows multiple labels on the route, none that match the Farsi script for 89. The other source appears to be about the paving of a road in Gowharan, Hormozgan, but it says nothing about Road 89. The Wikipedia article List of roads and highways in Iran has nothing on it. With the sources failing verification and no other sources to be found, even if it exists, it's certainly not notable. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Per nomination. GeographicAccountant (talk) 01:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ario Eslamshahr[edit]

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No WP:SIGCOV to establish notability per WP:ORGCRIT. If sources are found, please ping me. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akbar Shandermani[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:NPROF, and not enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can’t read Farsi but he may be a GNG pass. A Google books search brings up his name in multiple publications though I can’t judge which are in-depth or independent. Mccapra (talk) 12:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mccapra Yes, these are things I did as WP:BEFORE, they're mostly not about him directly but about events he's involved in or something of that nature. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Atefeh Khademolreza[edit]

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WP:BLP of a filmmaker, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing notability criteria for filmmakers. The strongest notability claim here is awards from minor regional film festivals that aren't prominent enough to confer instant notability freebies on their winners -- that only attaches to a narrow tier of internationally prominent film festivals whose awards get reported by the media as news, such as Cannes, Berlin, Venice, Toronto or Sundance, and not to just any film festival on earth whose awards you have to source to the festival's own self-published content about itself because media reportage treating the award as news doesn't exist. But the awards here are the latter, not the former.
It also attempted to claim a "nomination" for a more notable award, but I had to strip that as inaccurate marketing torque -- TIFF's awards simply adjudicate and consider every film present in the entire festival lineup, and do not release any special shortlists of finalists before announcing the winner. So being a "nominee" for a TIFF award that the film didn't actually win is not noteworthy, because there isn't a functional distinction between being a "nominee" for a TIFF award and simply having one's film be present at TIFF.
As for the sourcing, there is one solid and GNG-worthy source here (#1), but that isn't enough all by itself -- everything else is cited to primary sources that are not support for notability, such as the self-published websites of directly affiliated companies or organizations, pieces of her own first-person writing, and interviews in which she's talking about herself in the first-person.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have a lot more than just one GNG-worthy source. Bearcat (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battles of Inje and Qalaburun[edit]

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One of many poorly created articles translated from the Azeri Wikipedia (for more details, see [5]).

Nothing comes up when searching "Battles of Inje and Qalaburun", which makes me fail to see how it meets the notable criteria. And the most cited sources here (5 out of 6 citations) is by a genocide denier [6] Jamil Hasanli, who is also closely connected to the Aliyev-ruled Azerbaijani government, notorious for its historical negationism/revisionism [7] [8] [9] and anti-Iranian sentiments [10], which is not really ideal for an article about the history of Iran. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iran Proposed deletions[edit]

Standardized Patient (via WP:PROD on 29 January 2024)

Iraq[edit]

Kadhum Auda[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. The current archived reference seems to only be a single sentence database entry, and a WP:BEFORE search revealed only similarly trivial mentions/database entries.

As an aside, I believe that this is the first article I have nominated for deletion, so please let me know if I have missed something here. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 01:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete– Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - in Arabic (كاظم عودة لازم), I can only really find Kooora, but not really anything with WP:SIGCOV. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laith Saad Abdullah[edit]

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No evidence of notability, no good independent sources about him, plus COI concerns. Fram (talk) 10:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Given his novels and play I think he may possibly be notable under WP:AUTHOR but I can’t search for reviews in Arabic without the original names of his works. It’s unfortunate when editors rush to create an en.wiki article when there isn’t yet one in the mother language. Mccapra (talk) 07:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Tash Garrison[edit]

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Cannot find any sources besides the one 2003 report. Given it seems to lack official government recognition, WP:GNG applies over WP:NPLACE and I can find basically nothing about this place. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:33, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but rename. There was a refugee camp there and I believe it was notable per 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and other sources. I think “garrison” is just a mistranslation of “مخيم” and the intended meaning is “refugee camp”. Mccapra (talk) 06:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem here is that, since this place is not government recognized, WP:GNG applies. The first four here are primary sources, 5 is WP:ROUTINE coverage, and 6 about another camp and only mentions this one in passing. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Rename to Al-Tash refugee camp. Several thousand people lived here, the refs are good and satisfy gng. Desertarun (talk) 19:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect or Merge to American occupation of Ramadi as an AtD. Agree with source analysis by the nominator. The sources applied and raised here verify the subject's existence, but do not support an article on it, none of them meeting IRS, imho. Better to send the redirect to an article which might give the subject needed context. BusterD (talk) 14:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israel[edit]

Blockout 2024[edit]

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Not relevant, random TikTok trend { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 13:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Adequately covered trends have a place on Wikipedia, e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TikTok Dabloons. No argument was provided for why it is irrelevant. The article sources its contextualization and the topic itself. Further references can still be added [11][12][13][14][15][16]. Per WP:GNG, it should be kept. XxTechnicianxX (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As the article creator, I went through extra effort to research and include enough references from reputable outlets to demonstrate it easily passes the general notability guideline. The sources that are reliable and constitute WP:SIGCOV include National Public Radio, Yahoo News, and the Miami Herald, among others. It is difficult to take this AfD in good faith when it does not reference any policy basis for the nomination. - Fuzheado | Talk 15:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No actual reasoning for this article to be deleted has been given. Cortador (talk) 16:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ongoing trend/news event, but already documented by entertainment and non-entertainment websites. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep pretty ridiculous to vote for the deletion of a massive protest movement that significantly impacted the social media presence of dozens of celebrities. Especially considering a political climate that refuses to acknowledge the protests as legitimate and actively contributes to censuring folks who participate. Should #MeToo have been considered a random twitter hashtag? <IP removed> 19:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep This is a significant ongoing protest movement and no adequate reason has been given for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a0a:ef40:61c:2c01:ddfc:1250:79c0:64d (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:GNG. S5A-0043^Talk 11:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Since this AfD was created, even more reliable sources have published stories about this, essentially making this a WP:SNOW situation. Might Jjj1238 be willing to kindly withdraw the nomination so that we can close this? Sources: Al Jazeera, Newsweek, Buzzfeed, Deseret News, NBC News, NBC Today.com, Jerusalem Post, South China Morning Post, Times of India, et al. - Fuzheado | Talk 12:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it covers a relevant protest movement linked to a conflict that is redefining the whole international system. 185.120.125.4 (talk) 01:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is notable and reliably sourced. WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 03:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Connecteam[edit]

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Sources available in the usual searches seem to be a mirror of what's already in the article, funding announcements, which are excluded under WP:ORGTRIV, and the product reviews on miscellaneous sites which do not have the requisite reputation for fact checking to be considered RS (Forbes Advisor and Investopedia both also fall under this latter category). Searches for קונקטים appear to be more or less the same (e.g. [17], [18]) though I just dumped it at the usual English language search engines, I'm not sure if there is a more comprehensive index for Hebrew language web sources outside GBY.

With these sources, it is not currently possible to write an article to our current standards (i.e. more than just a list of funding announcements) so unfortunately this company might not be suited for this encyclopedia. Perhaps it might be able to find its home on a more specialised or comprehensive publication or database, or back here at a later date. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as the basic media coverage contributes to the subject’s notability. Also, the famous and influential Israeli newspaper the Globes named the it as the most promising station in the country. Given the power of Israel tech and venture industry that is significantly in itself. Prhinohoursers (talk) 22:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per nom if not A7. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This company also seems unremarkable. Why should we have an article on them? thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per good reliable sources I've just found and added and the remaining ones. Also the company has quite noticeable/notable achievements, some industry impact and notability, demonstrated by the available references. 扱. し. 侍. (talk) 09:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What. You can't possibly think a random self-published book is a reliable source. It's not even in Italian. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets WP:SIGCOV. MeltPees (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hayley Anne Sacks[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find more than some trivial mentions, and as such, this subject does not meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Please ping me if any significant coverage can be found. Let'srun (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sabra mosque airstrike[edit]

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Atrociously sourced article. The only sources are Hamas's military wing and the PA's state-run news agency, with the other citations simply regurgitating these reports. No WP:SUSTAINED coverage in multiple independent WP:RS to establish WP:GNG. Also fails WP:PAGEDECIDE justifying its own article. If the only sources of information for an article were the IDF and the Israeli Ministry of Communications, we would rightly AfD that article as well. Longhornsg (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom, fails GNG, NEVENT, NOTNEWS, WP:SUSTAINED. // Timothy :: talk 23:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete (alternatively merge) per nom FortunateSons (talk) 07:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Based on news event. No lasting coverage is speculated. X (talk) 19:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yonatan Steinberg[edit]

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This appears to be a WP:BLP1E instance. There appears to little to no meaningful coverage of this individual as a subject before or after the one event involved, and all of the coverage on the en-wiki page is essentially obituary material and coverage. Based on this material as it is, as an encyclopedic entry the page devolves more towards WP:RESUME or WP:NOTMEMORIAL than anything else, with the material also largely coming from government and military obituaries, not independent RS. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Looks like a significant figure, and we have managed to write a significant biography about him. PatGallacher (talk) 14:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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:delete: this is one of about a dozen articles that seem to be violating WP:NOTMEMORIAL and linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7. i've nominated those that i can, but many of them are additionally marked extended protected, which seems like an abuse of the designation in an effort to protect the pages from (rightful) editing and deletion. 814jjs (talk) 20:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC) not EC FortunateSons (talk) 09:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The last comment may not have been encyclopedic, but I will reply anyway. These other articles may or may not be notable, but they should be considered on their own merits. If they are at the wrong protection level then I suggest raising this at WP:RPP. PatGallacher (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. WP:NOTMEMORIAL says "Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet" [[{WP:GNG]]. This does not apply here. There are multiple secondary independent RS (Walla, Times of Israel) that provide coverage of the subject. Longhornsg (talk) 22:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan[edit]

Sohaib Al-Malkawi[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NJOURNALIST. Couldn't find any articles or independent information about him online. The article is mostly puffery. Probably a COI - draftifying might be an alternative, though I can't find any coverage about him at all. Clear friend a ^💬 02:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: It is full on a promotional article, and if no sources can be found it should be axed. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 03:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I didn't want to write here since I wrote the article. Anyway, I wanted to draw attention to the fact that since he's an Arabic figure when you search for him in Arabic (صهيب ملكاوي), you will find many sources. From a promotional standpoint, I admit that the article contains some promotional words, which I have now deleted. In terms of notability, I see that he fulfills the first rule. He is seen as an important figure or widely cited by his peers or successors. This is an interview of his on YouTube that shows it, and here's another one. According to RanksArabia, a website that ranks according to the votes of the Arab public, Suhaib Al-Malkawi is ranked 30th among the best Arab media professionals, and 24th among the best broadcasters and program presenters on Al Jazeera. He is one of the most prominent broadcasters on a channel considered to be one of the largest channels in the Arab world. Clearfrienda mentioned that "Probably a COI" . This is a bad assumption. For some time now, I have been writing and contributing articles about important Arabic figures, poems, places... etc, here in the encyclopedia, there is a similarity with the family names. Malkawi99 (talk) 05:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: probably meets G11, nothing found that meets WP:SIRS. // Timothy :: talk 13:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific Reyada School[edit]

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WP:UNSOURCED school with no good place to redirect. A quick search reveals nothing more. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The nomination is incorrect in that the school has a reference. When the article was crerated I believe this scraped through as a "Highschool" because it was judged at the time that such a school was inherently notable. Today I have my doubts. A diligent WP:BEFORE finds that some sources have potential, but do not meet WP:NSCHOOL. I choose to remain neutral in this discussion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of schools in Jordan where it is listed. It is not notable for a page, which is the bottom line. If there were a more focussed redirect target I would suggest that but it gets no mention on the Amman page, for instance. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kuwait[edit]

Lebanon[edit]

NSA (basketball)[edit]

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Not one source meets WP:GNG criteria. Toadspike (talk) 15:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Khalil Rahme[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. Participation-based SNGs were deprecated in 2022 and BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 20:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC) I am changing my recommendation to a redirect to 2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup squads#Lebanon. JTtheOG (talk) 01:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: World Cup quarter finalist, several references (though more needed), suggesting player has had/having a career in Australia's first and second tier. Article needs expansion. Mn1548 (talk) 16:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Played at the RLWC, nine sources, every line sourced.Fleets (talk) 16:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any WP:SIGCOV? JTtheOG (talk) 22:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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redirect to 2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup squads#Lebanon. LibStar (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per above Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any SIGCOV? JTtheOG (talk) 18:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oman[edit]

Palestine[edit]

Blockout 2024[edit]

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Not relevant, random TikTok trend { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 13:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Adequately covered trends have a place on Wikipedia, e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TikTok Dabloons. No argument was provided for why it is irrelevant. The article sources its contextualization and the topic itself. Further references can still be added [19][20][21][22][23][24]. Per WP:GNG, it should be kept. XxTechnicianxX (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As the article creator, I went through extra effort to research and include enough references from reputable outlets to demonstrate it easily passes the general notability guideline. The sources that are reliable and constitute WP:SIGCOV include National Public Radio, Yahoo News, and the Miami Herald, among others. It is difficult to take this AfD in good faith when it does not reference any policy basis for the nomination. - Fuzheado | Talk 15:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No actual reasoning for this article to be deleted has been given. Cortador (talk) 16:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ongoing trend/news event, but already documented by entertainment and non-entertainment websites. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep pretty ridiculous to vote for the deletion of a massive protest movement that significantly impacted the social media presence of dozens of celebrities. Especially considering a political climate that refuses to acknowledge the protests as legitimate and actively contributes to censuring folks who participate. Should #MeToo have been considered a random twitter hashtag? <IP removed> 19:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep This is a significant ongoing protest movement and no adequate reason has been given for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a0a:ef40:61c:2c01:ddfc:1250:79c0:64d (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:GNG. S5A-0043^Talk 11:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Since this AfD was created, even more reliable sources have published stories about this, essentially making this a WP:SNOW situation. Might Jjj1238 be willing to kindly withdraw the nomination so that we can close this? Sources: Al Jazeera, Newsweek, Buzzfeed, Deseret News, NBC News, NBC Today.com, Jerusalem Post, South China Morning Post, Times of India, et al. - Fuzheado | Talk 12:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it covers a relevant protest movement linked to a conflict that is redefining the whole international system. 185.120.125.4 (talk) 01:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is notable and reliably sourced. WC gudang inspirasi (^{Read! Talk!}) 03:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sabra mosque airstrike[edit]

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Atrociously sourced article. The only sources are Hamas's military wing and the PA's state-run news agency, with the other citations simply regurgitating these reports. No WP:SUSTAINED coverage in multiple independent WP:RS to establish WP:GNG. Also fails WP:PAGEDECIDE justifying its own article. If the only sources of information for an article were the IDF and the Israeli Ministry of Communications, we would rightly AfD that article as well. Longhornsg (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom, fails GNG, NEVENT, NOTNEWS, WP:SUSTAINED. // Timothy :: talk 23:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete (alternatively merge) per nom FortunateSons (talk) 07:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Based on news event. No lasting coverage is speculated. X (talk) 19:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mubarak Al-Breik[edit]

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Had a brief career filled with cameo appearances before disappearing in 2020. No sign of any WP:SIGCOV. The closest that I can find is a press conference quote in El Sport, which contains no significant independent analysis of the player. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Arabia[edit]

AfD debates[edit]

Najd FC[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Unsourced article, nothing found in BEFORE meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth from independent sources. Found name mentions, routine sports mill news, listings, nothing that meets WP:SIRS. // Timothy :: talk 01:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdulelah Al-Zahrani[edit]

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Played only a handful of professional games with no apparent WP:SIGCOV. My searches in Arabic don't yield anything other than social media posts, which do not indicate notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. As the athlete played for Al-Ansar for several years, if sources are located, I will change my vote. Svartner (talk) 04:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no sufficient sourcing meeting BLP and other guidelines. --Old-AgedKid (talk) 10:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Syria[edit]

Turkey[edit]

Hüseyin Baş[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Never elected to any political office that makes one inherently notable, not enough source to establish GNG too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This article appears to be a direct translation of tr:Hüseyin Baş. I tried to move some of the sources from there to here after it was translated without the references intact. There is one additional source used on that language wiki here but I don't know if it's of any use. (After review I can see that a user script marks that link as unreliable - this one has low hopes but I don't think I will be weighing in as someone with no context otherwise.)Recon rabbit 23:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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BBX Music[edit]

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An article for a non-notable record label that was created by the owner of the record label himself. Not only is this article a clear WP:COI, but is a total WP:GNG failure as well. λ NegativeMP1 17:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Malhun Hatun (fictional character)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Having hard time to find any valuable source per WP:BEFORE + character has no reception at all. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FedEx Express Flight 6238[edit]

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This article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline ImTheAvidPheasant (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it doesn't meet the notability guidelines. there where multiple gear collapses this year with some of them made into articles. all those articles got pulled. this falls in the same boat, this and the JSX. IDKUggaBanga (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. Newsworthy at best, but WP:NOTNEWS. Fails WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. Rosbif73 (talk) 04:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable, even run of the mill, aviation incident. TH1980 (talk) 02:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Mosque of Bucharest[edit]

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This is a cancelled proposal. Wikipedia is not a repository for unrealized projects without lasting coverage. Aintabli (talk) 05:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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That's not the best reason for deletion. The tangible topic that exists is the controversy around the plan. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I said without lasting coverage, which addresses that. If this proposal is still discussed years after its cancellation, please let me know. I was unable to find any mention of it past its cancellation in 2018. The Romanian version of this article is even more lacking. Aintabli (talk) 06:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The closest thing to a keep I can go for at this point is a merge unless someone comes with a better reason to keep. Aintabli (talk) 06:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A merge with what? Iskandar323 (talk) 11:06, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islam in Romania for example. Aintabli (talk) 15:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others[edit]

United Arab Emirates[edit]

Salem Al Shamsi[edit]

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BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE fail WP:SIRS, nothing found addressing the subject directly and indepth meeting WP:SIGCOV. Source eval:

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Government About page, fails WP:SIRS	1. "UAE Embassy in Abuja-About the Ambassador". www.mofa.gov.ae. Retrieved 2023-11-13.
Mill news about official presenting credentials, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth for WP:SIGCOV	2. ^ Jump up to:a b "United Arab Emirates Ambassador Presents Credentials to President of Nigeria". African Business. 2023-08-25. Retrieved 2023-11-13.
Mill news, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth for WP:SIGCOV	3. ^ "FCT Minister, Wike receives UAE ambassador, urges swift reversal of visa ban on Nigerians". ThisNigeria. 2023-11-13. Retrieved 2023-11-13.

BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 02:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete coverage is routine and not indepth for meeting WP:BIO. Amabassadors are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saeed Hizam[edit]

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Only had a brief professional career with no evidence of passing WP:GNG. The only mention of him that I can find from independent news sources is Arabian Gulf League, which is merely a passing mention. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. A transactional announcement here and not much else. JTtheOG (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleeze Nasser[edit]

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I don't see her meeting WP:ACTOR criteria, as I am unable to verify major roles in films which require as required per WP:ACTOR. I tried evaluating it based on WP:GNG, but there's not enough coverage to pass that either. AUTOBIO by Aleeze nasser (talk · contribs) —Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Clear case of an unsourced bio. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a WP:NACTOR. Plus not much available on Google search as well.Sameeerrr (talk) 16:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uzma Beg[edit]

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So at first glance, this BLP looks legit but upon but digging deeper, I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows or movies as required per WP:ACTOR. Also, when I tried to find more about the subject per WP:BEFORE, I didn't come across enough coverage to meet WP:GNG either. Plus, it's worth noting that this BLP was created back in 2021 by a SPA Sahgalji (talk · contribs) and has been mostly edited by UPEs so there's COI issues as well. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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XPANCEO[edit]

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Spammy article on company that, as far as I can tell, struggles to meet WP:BASIC, let alone the more stringent WP:CORP. None of the sources in the article contribute to notability:

Ref 1: A Forbes Contributors article.
Ref 2: An advert on the website of what looks to me to be a dodgy award.
Ref 3: An obvious PR/paid-for piece.
Ref 4: A Forbes profile of the company founder that, if nothing else, is obviously not significant coverage of the company.
Ref 5: The source contains a few lines about the founder, again; nothing about the company.
Ref 6: More or less the same as Ref 5, and therefore the same issues.
Ref 7: Most of this TechRadar article reports what the company has to say about itself, or peripheral information about the field - not independent reporting on the company's work.
Ref 8: This looks like a version of a press release subject to churnalism by multiple other outlets as well. Searching on Google for the headline of this article unearths other articles such as this press release.
Ref 9: not significant coverage of the company.

Searching the company on Google doesn't yield anything better, as far as I could tell. I mostly found interviews, blog posts, passing mentions, PR pieces or churnalism. Java Hurricane 12:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Genuinely, I do not think that it is appropriate to say the article is Spam while in the reality that it represents something true. Over google there could be plenty of PRs. But, here I used references from reliable sites and non PR ones I have also included some more references and will continue to add more if I am getting time. And for your information this article was created and was live on Wikipedia's main-space for a long time but, for unknown reason the main contributor of the article made it blank and that is why it was removed and I tried to make it happen again. Joidfybvc (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. UPE spam. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete under CSD G11 (unambiguous advertising or promotion). Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 04:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that works too, but it's a bit moot. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 17:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yemen[edit]

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The result was merge‎ to Terrorism in Yemen. Star Mississippi 00:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wadi Dawan attack[edit]

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All the coverage is from the time of the event in January 2008. No lasting coverage or impact to meet WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 03:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Terrorism in Yemen, there was some coverage the next year from Belgian publications over the perpetrators getting the death penalty for terrorism, but I don't think it's in depth enough to justify an individual article. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This event article meets the requirements of the GNG, EVENT, and LASTING by plenty of coverage at the time of the event and since. For more recent coverage, see "Voice of a Voyage: Rediscovering the World During a Ten-year Circumnavigation" by Doann Houghton-Alico, from 2016, in Google Books. Not sure why this has been nominated for deletion. The research leaves to be desired. Furthermore, the merger suggested above my opinion would create a situation of undue and should also be rejected. Wadi Dawan attack is a proper SPINOFF. gidonb (talk) 03:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"plenty of coverage at the time of the event" does not meet WP:EFFECT and WP:NOTNEWS applies. You've found 1 source, are there others? LibStar (talk) 03:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement is untrue. I found plenty of sourcing AND ESTABLISHED LASTING WITH AN RS! This nomination is a clear BEFORE failure! There needn't be more sources than one since 2008 because the event was less than 20 years ago. However, there are two. It also appears in The Last Good Man: A Novel, page 33, A.J. Kazinski, from 2012. Libstar, you frequently claim fact-free that events are not LASTING. Why would you do that? gidonb (talk) 07:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of sourcing? you've mentioned a mere 2. If this nomination is a failure it would be a unanimous keep which it isn't. LibStar (talk) 07:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please supply actual text from the 2 books you cite? I'm interested in what it says. Thanks LibStar (talk) 07:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"There needn't be more sources than one since 2008 because the event was less than 20 years ago." You're now inventing rules for notability. LibStar (talk) 07:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of contemporaneous sourcing for the GNG. Really big numbers. Enough to visit the articles in the other wikis to see that. In addition, there is more than sufficient sourcing from books to prove that this has a LASTING impact just as well. Therefore meets the GNG and EVENT. gidonb (talk) 07:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please supply actual text from the 2 books you cite? LibStar (talk) 07:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you look in Google Books and withdraw this nomination after you do? You should have done a BEFORE upfront! gidonb (talk) 07:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please supply actual text from the 2 books you cite? Why can't you provide this? LibStar (talk) 07:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there something you're hiding by not producing text as requested? LibStar (talk) 07:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I try to lead a life also beyond your failed nominations. Some 10 books write about this incident beyond the contemporaneous coverage that is also extensive. I gave 5 examples. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that the article meets the GNG based on contemporaneous coverage and that all your fact-free nominations of terrorist incidents under your assumption that these get forgotten – this isn't so and LASTING is met. Terrorism is a real problem and these events get revisited time and again. gidonb (talk) 11:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTNEWS trumps GNG. Otherwise we'll be creating articles for every event reported in the media. There was a factory fire near my home, should I create an article because it meets GNG? LibStar (talk) 07:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or a few weeks ago, Australia's east coast received a lot of rainfall, well reported in all the media, but why isn't there a Wikipedia article for it? LibStar (talk) 07:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NOTNEWS DOES not apply to terrorist events with a LASTING IMPACT. You are wasting the valuable time of the community by making baseless claims, and then arguing under the opinion of everyone who disagrees with you, after it is found that haven't done a thorough BEFORE. You have already written eight times under my opinion while you should have invested time before nominating instead of wasting mine. gidonb (talk) 07:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well at least one other editor (PARAKANYAA) doesn't agree with you. Everyone's time on WP is voluntary, how you choose to spend yours is your choice. LibStar (talk) 04:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question Which page number of "Voice of a Voyage: Rediscovering the World During a Ten-year Circumnavigation" are you referring to? it's a 276 page book. so page number would be helpful. LibStar (talk) 07:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's on two pages in the book. There are more book mentions. About five, not counting other languages than English. gidonb (talk) 07:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two pages in the middle of Chapter 9. Google Books does not provide page numbers for this particular book.

Which pages? LibStar (talk) 08:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I finally found the text: About a month prior to that in Wadi Dawan,...two Belgian tourists and their driver were killed by a group of insurgents. A 1 line mention in a 276 page book is hardly WP:SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 23:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned. Coverage continued on the next page. gidonb (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also here:

Doctrine of Terror: Saudi Salafi Religion - Page 214, Mahboob Illahi, 2018
Yemen Mineral, Mining Sector Investment and Business Guide - Page 189, IBP USA, 2013
Yemen: Dancing on the Heads of Snakes, Page 230, Victoria Clark, 2010

Hang on, closer to ten. This nomination ranks among the more failed ones. gidonb (talk) 07:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked p.230 of "Yemen: Dancing on the Heads of Snakes". the slaughter of the two Belgian women tourists and their driver in the Wadi Doan A 1 sentence mention in a 300+ page book is not WP:SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 23:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly in Doctrine of Terror: Saudi Salafi Religion - Page 214, Al-Qaeda militants opened fire on a convoy of tourists in Hadharmauy, killing two Belgian tourists... A 1 sentence mention in a 324 page book is not WP:SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 23:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's irrelevant. The SIGCOV is contemporaneous. The article meets the GNG based on contemporaneous SIGCOV in RS. However, since it is an event, that's insufficient for keeping. In addition, there also needs to be interest in this event over time since for LASTING. Lasting has also been established. Instead of arguing more, this failed nomination should be withdrawn. gidonb (talk) 23:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree, and I think your statement is contrary to NEVENT (which is somewhat confusing but still). There isn't enough to keep this as standalone.

I'm of the opinion that terrorist attacks are almost always notable as part of a pattern, and should be mentioned somewhere: a merge accomplishes this. To warrant its own article there must be enough coverage on something to write besides "it happened, people got arrested". None of the later sources you provided are enough. IMO, the most important factors are a mix of both quality and distance of coverage in writing these kinds of an articles. A single high quality retrospective on an event would do a whole lot more for convincing me to vote keep than say, continuing legal developments. This isn't even that, these are just one or two sentences! Not sigcov. I also doubt this would pass on "effect" grounds. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, PARAKANYAA LibStar (talk) 00:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, there was lots of coverage of this event when it happened. I never went in to that. Only discussed coverage since. gidonb (talk) 00:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:NOTNEWS, WP is not News reports. Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion and Wikipedia is not written in news style A spike in coverage at the time of the event is not a good indicator of notability. For example, there was a factory fire near my home covered in the media, should I create an article because it meets GNG? LibStar (talk) 00:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also irrelevant. This is an event with global and lasting coverage. gidonb (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lasting coverage which is not indepth as pointed out by PARAKANYAA. LibStar (talk) 00:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From Yemen Mineral, Mining Sector Investment and Business Guide - Page 189, Belgian tourists and their Yemeni driver were killed in Hadhramout governorate in eastern Yemen. Again, another 1 sentence mention (in a book of 260 pages) that isn't WP:SIGCOV. None of these 1 sentence mentions in the 4 additional sources given establish WP:EFFECT, An event that is a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance is likely to be notable. LibStar (talk) 04:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the other keep !votes for this "failed nomination"? 2 editors have agreed with me about the lack of WP:SIGCOV for the additional sources. LibStar (talk) 10:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 17:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Terrorism in Yemen: Strongly unconvinced by the arguments for keeping the article with only passing mentions that the event happened. As part of the broader topic of Terrorism in Yemen this may warrant a mention or brief paragraph, but I don't see the lasting impact from this event that establishes notoriety for an article. Shazback (talk) 04:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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