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Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria[edit]

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The result was: not scheduled, withdrawn by nominator

Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria (The Return of Ulysses to his Homeland), SV 325, is an opera set by Claudio Monteverdi to a libretto by Giacomo Badoaro. Considered one of the first modern operas, it consists of a prologue and three acts. The story, taken from Homer's Odyssey, tells how constancy and virtue are ultimately rewarded, treachery and deception overcome. After his long journey from the Trojan Wars, Ulisse returns home, where he finds that a trio of villainous suitors are begging his faithful queen, Penelope, for her hand. With the assistance of his son, a friend and the gods, he vanquishes the suitors and recovers his kingdom. Il ritorno is the first of three full-length operas which Monteverdi wrote for the burgeoning Venetian stage during the last five years of his life. It was first performed at the Teatro Santi Giovanni e Paolo (floor plan pictured) in Venice during the 1639–1640 carnival season. Forgotten for centuries, the work was generally accepted as Monteverdi's by the 1950s. After revivals in Vienna and Glyndebourne in the early 1970s it became increasingly popular. Monteverdi expresses the emotions of a great range of characters, divine and human, through a variety of musical styles. (Full article...)

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Main editors: Brianboulton
Promoted: 2010
Reasons for nomination: should appear during Carnival, latest day this year 17 February
Support as nominator. Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Looks good; I made minor changes. - Dank (push to talk) 15:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: removed claim that the suitors have seized the kingdom, which is not in synopses I've read or translations I've seen. (Will remove from article as well.) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Floorplan has nothing to do with this article, and should not be in the blurb. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:17, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Define "nothing". It gives me an instant feeling for the long-ago time. - Needless to say, it could also go without image. - The author is still on vacation, please wait two more days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is the opera about the floorplan? No. Does the floorplan depict something the opera is about? No. The floorplan illustrates nothing related to the opera itself, but to the theater. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I will not argue about the theatre of a premiere being of relevance to the opera, possibly not, but rather remind that there are only two days left this should appear, if 2015, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
One day, I should think. I doubt this would go well with Ash Wednesday. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As soon as I wrote two, you scheduled, and I was too lazy to change ;) - To the wording: It now sounds as if the modernness had to do with the structure. I would still prefer "modern" at the end where the different expressions of mood are mentioned, - that's what makes it modern (and what should make people want to read more). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Before my edit, that sentence read "is considered one of the first modern operas, with a prologue and three acts set by Claudio Monteverdi to a libretto by Giacomo Badoaro." That gives the same impression. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about my lack of English. Why not wait for Brian? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I was quite surprised to see this nominated as TFA. I haven't looked at the article seriously since its promotion in March 2010, and a swift glance just now leads me to think it will need a fair amount of attention before it can grace the front page. Chris, I'd be pleased if you don't schedule this for the moment. I can't see that the carnival dates are a particularly relevant hook, and it seems to me that the article could equally well run on other dates, e.g. Monteverdi's (official) birthday on 15 May . As I have a lot to do in the next few days (having been away), and won't be able to give this matter my immediate attention, I think the best solution, with due respect to Gerda, wouldt be to defer its nomination for the moment. Brianboulton (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, especially if it will be finer then ;) - I am back to project opera and love this one, seen on stage in a Ponnelle/Harnoncourt production. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ps: having looked at dates: what do you think of L'Arianna 28 May 2015, Bartered Bride 30 May 2016 (150 years after premiere) and this 15 May 2017? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That seems like an excellent idea, against which few, I think, will argue. As you instigated this nom, can I leave it to you to withdraw it? Brianboulton (talk) 21:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]