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Vishaal Elias Manesh

Vishaal Elias Manesh (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

08 August 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

All accounts perpetuating a hoax about a "royal' family (cross wiki as well. See here and this among others. Switching to CU request for sleepers since there seem to be a lot. Praxidicae (talk) 18:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  •  Clerk note: self endorsing. Praxidicae (talk) 18:16, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do like it when they make it easy for me. All are  Confirmed to each other, no obvious sleepers. They're all globally locked but I'll go ahead and block them locally so the local admins will have something to go on; if it persists, let me know and I can put down some IP blocks that don't have much collateral. Katietalk 21:10, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

13 August 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

See deleted contribs, same family history nonsense. I blocked already but requesting CU for a sleeper check/block of the underlying range (per KrakatoaKatie a rangeblock looked feasible last time. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:38, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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02 October 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Same kind of content addition (a specific family name) made by master sock Vishaal Elias Manesh.[1] and [2] Outlander07@talk 14:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  •  Clerk note: Based on what I can see, it's not immediately clear this is socking, but ALIRINKAL has already been indeffed for other reasons, so doesn't seem worth investing much time to investigate deeper. Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

31 October 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Either socks or WP:MEAT. All are new users contesting the deletion of Ainatu family, created by User RICK CORNWALLIS. See Talk:Ainatu family. Requesting CU to check for sleepers, especially given the Rick account is a declared paid editor so could be part of a larger coordinated effort. S0091 (talk) 21:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a couple more. Note Outlander007 is a spoof of Outlander07 who nominated the article for deletion. S0091 (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Outlander07 (the real one) gave me some additional accounts here so adding the unblocked ones. These were already blocked: User:Ubhayogrithanamam, User:RAMARAGHAVA IYYER and User:സംകൃതപമാഗരി.

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Please check the above comment before closing the case. Thank You. Outlander07@talk 16:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  •  Clerk endorsed - SHOUTY SOCKS with similar shouty user pages & strange format to their {{paid}} declarations. Cabayi (talk) 19:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Checkuser note: - this is a messy farm, will take a bit of time to catalogue... Maxim(talk) 01:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • All above are  Confirmed to Vishaal Elias Manesh, and are  Blocked and tagged. Clerk assistance might be necessary because I may have botched a case merge and can't find the instructions for doing it. Maxim(talk) 02:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk assistance requested: - see above. I don't have time to look at it right now. TheSandDoctor Talk 14:44, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Requested locks on all of the new socks except Outlandar (blocked them as a username violation since I can't see anything that definitively ties them to this group). Closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:20, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

03 December 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

see edits here following SHAM TRIVEDI. Same Ainatu idiocy. Praxidicae (talk) 15:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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30 March 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Compare [3][4][5]

Wasteful edits in user page compare [6][7][8] 2402:3A80:515:CA35:0:4D:1681:4501 (talk) 08:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Praxidicae: You started an investigation about this account before. What do you think. 2402:3A80:50B:BEC8:0:5E:DA8A:6201 (talk) 16:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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It was very unfortunate for the senior editors not to identify AARYA SAJAYAN as the working sock of VISHAAL ELIAS MANESH who is into the ideology of Brahmin Syrian Conversion myth. He mentions himself a Brahmin lady but mostly into Syrian christian pages also deliberately fooling the fellow editors by friendly chats so they will come with the sympathetic advocacy of ignorance [like this] once he gets blocked. Already informed ~Oshwah~ regarding the same weeks back. He is now on the way to raise his edit count by irrational edits with some intentions like framing his ideology on the semi-protected articles. 103.146.175.91 (talk) 16:50, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a general note - the CheckUser tool is limited in its capacity to connect users, and so just because a user isn't confirmed (in this instance "possible") to another doesn't mean that they are unrelated. Giraffe (who stole my "r"?) 16:55, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

103.146.175.91 Hello, I got notified that my name has been mentioned here. I'm from Kerala, specifically Muvattupuzha where the Nambudiri community, Syrian Christian community and the Mappila community all live. So I'm literally surrounded by all of them. So I've asked and heard about the historicity of these communities. I've been recently working on the history of Syrian Christians. I've been reading many books on them. I am also currently working on the geographical characteristics of Kerala. And I was also aware of the fact that not all Syrian Christians are Nambudiri Brahmin converts, But the problem is that nowhere is it specified about backward castes being converted. Maybe it's there casteist agenda. But I just added what is given in the sources.AARYA SAJAYAN (talk)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

15 April 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Recently blocked sock Aarya Sajayan made edits on similar pages as IP above: [9] ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 04:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ThaThinThaKiThaTha, Please point out some specific pairs of edits which demonstrate this is the same person. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:13, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  •  Check declined by a checkuser. Checkuser cannot confirm accounts to IP addresses - only accounts to accounts. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:03, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Request for additional information unanswered after three days, closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

06 May 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Pro forma report. See below. Mz7 (talk) 19:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please merge Vinay Chekavar & Aarieesa with the Vishaal Elias Manesh SPI case before archiving. R.COutlander07@talk 16:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  •  Confirmed.  Blocked and tagged. Redirect arrow Global lock(s) requested, closing. Mz7 (talk) 19:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  On hold - @Blablubbs and Zzuuzz: it looks like you guys know the most about the history of Vinay Chekavar & Aarieesa, so could you look at the merge request above? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    RoySmith, there doesn't really seem to be anything to merge here, since these two appear to have been blocked outside of SPI – it's good to have them noted here (and I guess they can be tagged), but I don't think there's a lot to be done from a clerking perspective. --Blablubbs|talk 16:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The blocks of those two accounts were based on recent data only (and indeed outside SPI) - definitely confirmed to User:AARYA SAJAYAN. I don't currently' know much history beyond those 3 accounts. Since they weren't confirmed by Mz7, I'd keep them listed below the confirmation, though technically, it wouldn't be surprising. -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Zzuuzz, OK, thanks. I'll just leave this and archive it as is. Outlander07, thanks for noting the connection, having it listed here may be of some value to future investigators. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

11 May 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Both AARYA and Perthirvin are interested in religion related articles. Perthirvin recently edited the article Chattayum Mundum which was created by AARYA. Perthirvin also have interest on Talk:Malayalam which was extensively edited by AARYA. [10] Bethany Argus and Salamaashu had interest on Kashmorwiki's article and both are blocked now. Bethany was blocked on May 6 whereas Perthirvin joined on May 7.Thanks Poppified talk 17:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: I have added more evidences. ThanksPoppified talk 18:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment I'm not sure whether Perthirvin is the same editor as Salamaashu, who was quickly blocked, but it's crystal clear they're not a new editor. They seem to have made some unrelated edits and then quickly moved to ask in multiple places whether Kashmorwiki's articles were eligible for speedy. They border line edit warred with me, and were forum shopping for a different admin opinion, but not at the level of sanctions for that behavior IMO. The church articles in their contributions as well as those of Vishaal_Elias_Manesh's may be worth exploring, or may be nothing. I can't look at this time. StarM 18:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • More Evidence: One of the confirmed socks in this chain of socks Bethany Argus had only 20 edits in overall out of which 3 are overlapping with Perthirvin [11]. The contributions of Bethany makes it sure that they are interested in religious related contents.[12]. AARYA SAJAYAN is also interested in religion related articles especially this one.Poppified talk 18:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: Challenging others with ~400 edits in just 2 days, he returns with a new account Micahhadar. R.COutlander07@talk 08:04, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

Also found and  Confirmed:
AARYA MUVATTUPUZHA (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
 Likely:
Vishaal Elias Manesh (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Bagging and tagging accounts. This SPI can be closed... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:31, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

22 June 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Micahhadar is popped up 22 hours after AARYA SAJAYAN was blocked for sock [13][14]. Adding jewish syrian origin with fake sourcing [15][16].

Christianity in Kerala- Micahhadar continued editing information added by User:Perthirvin- [17][18].

Architecture of Kerala- Micahhadar continued editing information added by User:Perthirvin- [19][20] [21][22]

Christianity in Kerala- Micahhadar continued editing information added by User:Perthirvin-[23][24][25]

Dhwaja Stambha - Same edit with AARYA SAJAYAN - [26][27] 42.109.145.230 (talk) 12:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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12 July 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

the other half of the argument on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pesaha_appam&action=history

this one is restoring edits that match those of Micahhadar, a confirmed AARYA SAJAYAN sock.

Seems likely that there are other socks about so requesting CU. Pipsally (talk) 09:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I've blocked Libraedit without tags. The account can be tagged after a check is run or declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Confirmed.
Also found and  Confirmed:
Latchcurve (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Lislecowls (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Jennaiowan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Micragolds (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Bryanbrace (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Chargutsy (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Zeroswhen (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Micahhadar (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Bethany Argus (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
All accounts will be bagged and tagged. This SPI can be closed... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

29 July 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Quacking. Comments on User talk:Outlander07 openly admit to being a sock, picking up where other accounts have left off. This comment specifically owns this comment from a known sock.

Vishaal Elias Manesh has been tagged as a sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AARYA SAJAYAN, although Vishaal Elias Manesh is the older account.

Simonjoust has the same heavy focus on and ownership of Syrian churches of Kerala and Latin Catholics of Malabar as multiple previous socks. In all cases, the accounts add incremental addition content based on either OR or existing source, often very poor sources. These accounts also restore this content with little or no discussion when challenged. Grayfell (talk) 07:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Cochikkaran. Same tedious pattern of multiple incremental edits at Latin Catholics of Malabar. Same very chummy WP:NOTFORUM interactions with User:Outlander07 as previous socks. Grayfell (talk) 08:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Had a good time here, bye!!! Thanks to everyone sincerely❤️❤️... Wikipedia was really fun for a person stuck in Quarantine..And I'm really sorry for disturbing Wikipedia and making others feel bad...User:Outlander07 really did change my mind!!! God bless everyone (Ps:I know this comment would be removed soon, but just for my peace of mind😌😌😌) Bye!!!(Simonjoust (talk) 08:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC))[reply]

@Blablubbs: I think you have missed one, someone hiding in the dark. R.COutlander07@talk 15:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Might need to tag and include the sock accounts Alisjohn, Vinay Chekavar and Outlandar07 (talk · contribs) to the list. R.COutlander07@talk 13:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  • I've requested a CU because based on the history in the archive, there's a reasonable possibility that more accounts will be found. I also am mightily confused about the tagging in this case and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AARYA SAJAYAN. Apparently back in August 2020 Katie tagged Vishaal Elias Manesh as a master, and then more recently in May 2021 Oshwah tagged the user as a sock of AARYA AJAYAN. The relationship between the two accounts figures in the archives of this case and the other case with findings of less than confirmed. If the CUs believe that these are two separate cases, then I believe the cross-tagging should be eliminated somehow, or we need to have more complex tags.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @TheresNoTime: Forgive me if you've heard this before, but have you not reviewed the entire case history because there's no time?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given TNT's comments, plus the fact that this combined with this ties the cases even more strongly together, I'm merging the cases. Overlapping histories, so manual archive merge only. I'm also retagging everyone in that archive as confirmed to Vishaal Elias Manesh. I'll close once I'm done. --Blablubbs (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Blablubbs: I'm no expert, but wouldn't a WP:Histmerge be better?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23, as far as I know, histmerges are not usually performed when case histories overlap, but I may be misremembering. The archive is a cut and paste affair anyway, so I will keep that merge manual. Paging resident histmerge wizard @GeneralNotability: Should/can the main casepages be merged? --Blablubbs (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If there's any overlap in the two cases (read: was there any point in the history where both pages had an open case on them), histmerge should not be performed, since that will make the history a garbled mess. Use copy-with-attribution instead in that case. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

01 October 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

As with previous socks, extreme focus on adding spammy galleries of images related to Catholicism in parts of India. An example is this edit. As with previous socks, this account is including images uploaded to Commons by another account. That Commons account has also uploaded copyvio duplicates of images previously deleted as part of this farm. (I have mentioned that here: Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism#Brigbuds

See also the new article Ancient Churches of Kerala. This is an inappropriate copy/paste move/redirect of Churches of Kerala.

A checkuser is requested due to extensive history of coordinated socks across projects. Grayfell (talk) 01:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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  • This user has been blocked as a sock on Commons. Citing (talk) 13:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

This case is being reviewed by Spicy as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

  •  Clerk endorsed - The user has already been blocked as a sock, but endorsing for a sleeper check since it seems to have been fruitful in the past. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 10:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  In progress - ~TNT (she/her • talk) 17:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Styxolash is  Confirmed to Simonjoust and Cochikkaran.  Blocked and tagged. There are sleepers, but I've just been called away a moment so will return! ~TNT (she/her • talk) 17:46, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also found the below as  Likely
  • but, this is a fairly busy range.  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation ~TNT (she/her • talk) 18:11, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks :). LatinNadar is already locked, Devoncarts is blocked (and is clearly them per e.g. [30][31]), and Rootcrags looks like a duck based on the focus on Catholicism in Kerala and the weird markup (see [32], [33]). Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - please indef Rootcrags. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 00:24, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Blocked and tagged, Redirect arrow Global lock(s) requested, closing. --Blablubbs (talk) 10:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

07 December 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Focus on spamming image galleries of Catholicism in India, as with previous socks. This diff provides evidence. Note that it added the content only after making ten dummy edits to reach autoconfirmed status. This account is coordinating with a Commons account in uploading what are likely hoax images and/or copyvios, seen here. Checkuser is requested as this user has a long history of using multiple accounts across multiple projects. Citing (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

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Some of which were previously known, but retagging as confirmed -- RoySmith (talk) 15:20, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

27 December 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Similar behaviour on articles related to Catholicism on India, adding low quality images of questionable origin as here. Sockmaster has edited this page as here and another known sock here. Requesting checkuser given the long history of cross-wiki abuse. Citing (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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