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17 October 2019[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


Confirmed by Alison at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mochee, but appear unrelated to Mochee so filing here. TheSandDoctor Talk 04:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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17 October 2019[edit]

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Bilby blocked as a suspected sock of Ross kramerov. Kosherplanet is non-stale, could we see if this could be confirmed by a CU? TheSandDoctor Talk 04:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Kosherplanet is  Possible to the set of socks Alison has blocked from the other case. As they're already blocked, I think this case can be closed, unless one of you intended that it be left open for some reason? ST47 (talk) 18:08, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

24 November 2019[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


ticket:2019112410000185 ST47 (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged. ST47 (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Cleanup finished, closing. ST47 (talk) 19:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

25 February 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Jada1234 was registered a day after BhasSpeak was blocked. I have shared some evidence with Yunshui to confirm BhasSpeak's connection with the master. GSS 💬 14:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • This edit makes it pretty clear that Jada1234 = BhasSpeak, and the off-wiki evidence makes it equally clear that BhasSpeak = Skyfallbvm = Ross kramerov. Blocked without a CU check; the behavioural evidence is sufficient. Yunshui 雲水 14:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

20 July 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

As per off-wiki evidence user Healsbeat belongs to the same sockfarm and was hired to create Keishorne Scott. Rhetorician1217 and Bingley Bates were registered recently after Healsbeat was blocked by MER-C to vote on the AfD. Requesting CU to see their technical relation and for accounts, they have in their sock drawer. GSS 💬 08:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The connections are mediocre at best with CU, but the evidence indicates that the accounts are comprised or being shared in some way...I don't exactly understand how. That said, Healsbeat = Sophiedub = Bingley Bates. Seperately, Simeonscott = Rhetorician1217 = DamselDove. Bring me back more possibles and i'd be happy to check for other relateds. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 07:00, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    AmandaNP, any preferences on how you want these tagged? Do you want the subgroups (Healsbeat/Sophiedub/Bingley Bates/Michaforde/WikiFixer337, Simeonscott/Rhetorician1217/DamselDove/Michaforde) tagged as separate groups or do you want these all tagged as suspected socks of kramerov? GeneralNotability (talk) 20:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @GeneralNotability: How ever you wish to mix and bake is fine by me. I don't even have an idea myself with the CU results. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 04:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: I'll just block them all as a group, since they clearly are working together in some way. Before I do that - GSS, could you please send me the off-wiki evidence linking Healsbeat to the kramerov farm? Want to make sure they should be part of this case. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC) GeneralNotability (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per GSS's email, agreed that this group is related to kramerov. Retagged everyone as "proven" to Ross kramerov (per DQ, the relationships are wonky here, so I'm not ready to say "confirmed," but I am certain that these accounts are somehow working together) and filed for global locks. GeneralNotability (talk) 15:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

03 August 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Same person as per this and Draft:AwardWallet. @GeneralNotability: please match the details I sent you last week with this link on my talk page. @AmandaNP: any idea if it worth using your tool again? The user is inactive since June 30th. GSS 💬 04:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GeneralNotability: do you mind hitting the button as proven based on evidence in hand? Thank you in advance. GSS 💬 06:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible because I have seen these freelancers subconracting on various platforms. GSS 💬 13:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - Based on GSS's information, Offalsiang is almost certainly part of the kramerov farm. Might as well take a look with CU, they have enough jobs in progress on Upwork that there are probably more out there. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • GSS, yeah,  Blocked and tagged. I'm wondering if the job was subcontracted out or something since previous CUs have at least come back as "possible". GeneralNotability (talk) 13:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

18 September 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

As per off-wiki evidence, this account linked to the same freelancer profile which Ross kramerov use for paid editing and was hired to create Spencer Charnas. As per their work history, they completed a number of projects this and last month so I was wondering if a CU can look into their sock drawer using their special goggles. Bothering @Ivanvector and GeneralNotability: again. GSS 💬 19:18, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @L235: Yes Sent with subject "Ross kramerov SPI" - no ticket number yet. GSS 💬 04:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @GeneralNotability and L235: As per the CU result, it's possible that either they have subcontracted someone to post this page or they are now using different ISP and devices so meat puppetry is possible IMO. Thank you, GSS 💬 05:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - Acknowledging that I've seen an email from GSS with the evidence (upwork post which ties this particular page to the upwork account connected to this sock group), so I'm convinced that Draft:Spencer Charnas is a paid job and UstoKusto is likely related to the kramerov group. Self-endorsing for a sleeper check. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  On hold - @GSS: If Ivanvector is able to see the evidence and is willing to run a check based on it, he's certainly able to, but if you would like the next available CU to run this check it would be helpful to send the evidence to paid-en-wp and link the ticket here. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 16:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technically Red X Unrelated. Sleeper check inconclusive. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 04:57, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blocked as suspected UPE, closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 14:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

30 October 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Alanzie appears to be another sock in this spam farm, they've recreated Dimetri Hogan, known to be a paid for piece, previously by Rxypro, and their first edits to start gaming for ACperm was to Chethallur making the same pointless "fixes" as UstoKusto. They also share a lot of the same weird grammar with JigzoJo who tried to get around the Hogan salt by creating Dimetri Hogan (creative director) like Alanzie did initially with Dimetri Imani Hogan. Praxidicae (talk) 14:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Alanzie  Possible JigzoJo, UstoKusto Red X Unrelated. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

17 November 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

This belongs to the same sock farm as per off-wiki evidence that I have shared with paid-en-wp as well as with GeneralNotability and MER-C. GSS 💬 15:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Clerk note: Blocked as suspected Kramerov sock (or someone he sub'd the job out to)/UPE. GSS, in future emails it would help if you can also include a screenshot of the job. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

17 August 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Extremely strange editing behaviour by Cookiethepug - they have made several hundred edits, almost all of which are trivial typographic changes made with the summary "Grammar correction" or "Word correction". These changes are generally additions of optional commas or changing false titles (neither of these are "errors") or minor genuine corrections. Many of their early edits were in draftspace. This would strike me as a covert attempt at getting extended confirmed rights had the user not made more than 500 edits in less than 30 days.

I see exactly five things they've done that are not of this form (and one deleted edit, presumably trivial). First, creation of a userpage. Second, two Teahouse questions ([1][2]) about drafts that they were making these minor "corrections" to. Third, a response to a talk page message. Fourth, constructive (but imperfect) edits to a page I created. Fifth, these (partially constructive) edits to James Veitch (comedian) with a clear intention towards whitewashing of sexual harassment allegations, on a page with a history of very suspicious activity in the same direction (including doxxing of an accuser).

I slept on this to think about if I was being overly paranoid, but there are too many red flags being hit here.

  • Creation of a userpage very early on (done by socks to minimise scrutiny).
  • Trivial draft edits as the primary early contributions (where would a newbie discover indices of drafts from?; also seems like a way to make very low-profile edits).
  • Mass typographical changes at rapid pace.
  • Familiarity with Wikipedia lingo on first usage at James Veitch (comedian) ("undue weight"), without having participated in discussions where it was mentioned.
  • Consistently referring to BLP wrongly as "BPL" was what the IP did in discussion, even after correction. I have never seen anyone else refer to the policy as BPL, ever. It's not a common mistake.

"BPL" is the strongest and indicates to me at least meatpuppetry. I wouldn't be filing the SPI without it.

Note that Tompg has not been connected to the IP, though the IP was CU blocked (I think with a rangeblock as I'm struggling to find the block notice) and though a CU won't connect an IP to an account, I think the connection there is obvious. Bromberg721 was blocked as a sock. Some of the connections between accounts could be meatpuppetry (I'm suspecting UPE because we know Bromberg721's owner was engaged in it), but something suspicious is happening. — Bilorv (talk) 14:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I categorically deny all the accusations in sockpuppetry listed by Bilorv and I have no relation to Ross kramerov - I haven't heard of the user until I discovered Bilorv's notice on my Talk page. Also, I'm a new user and don't have much experience in the disputes but it looks like a personal attack of Bilorv based on my edits. I have a good faith in what I'm doing and my intentions were to improve the article of James Veitch and make it more neutral. I believe Bilorv's accusations are ridiculous at best or "paranoid" as the user called my edits:

  • Trivial draft edits as the primary early contributions (where would a newbie discover indices of drafts from?; also seems like a way to make very low-profile edits). - I'm doing my best to help to the best of my knowledge and experience, mostly getting used to complex Wikipedia code.
  • Mass typographical changes at rapid pace. - When did Wikipedia forbid doing grammar corrections?
  • Familiarity with Wikipedia lingo on first usage at James Veitch (comedian) ("undue weight"), without having participated in discussions where it was mentioned. - I encountered the page accidentally and read the discussions on the Talk page of the articles also learning about the terms from the links.

Consistently referring to BLP wrongly as "BPL" was what the IP did in discussion, even after correction. I have never seen anyone else refer to the policy as BPL, ever. It's not a common mistake. - This is indeed paranoid. I did misspell it and this is proof of sockpuppetry? Is Mr. Bilorv a forensic expert or something to make the conclusion? All I do is try to find my pace here. --Cookiethepug (talk) 17:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk assistance requested: This should be merged into Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ross kramerov. Bromberg721 was blocked as a sock of Ross kramerov. The behavior of Cookiethepug looks very much like the Ross kramerov socks. Special:contributions/2601:1C0:CB01:2660:0:0:0:0/64, which also looks like an Rk sock, was CU-hard-blocked for six months on November 20, 2020 (the block expired before Cookiethepug started editing). I don't think we need concern ourselves with Tompg, who is older than the master and is now very stale, unless they resume editing.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both share a number of behavioural similarities with the account above and the Kamerov farm, they have near-identical user pages ([3][4]) and Habibiroyal overlaps with the /64 on this obscure draft talk page. --Blablubbs (talk) 18:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • (edit conflict) Cookiethepug is  Possilikely (a mix between possible and likely) to Ross kramerov via sharing a range with WikiFixer337 and Healsbeat, but it's a pretty large range with multiple sockmasters and even more likely-legit users.
  • Soggydemur (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (not originally reported) is  Likely to Ross kramerov via logs for Sictransitgloriamundi7, on a much smaller/more personal range. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Habibiroyal is  Unlikely. Rupertdonovan is  Inconclusive. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @L235: What about the technical connection between Cookiethepug and Soggydemur, although I realize that Soggydemur has only two edits? Behaviorally, I should point out that one of Soggydemur's two edits was to a draft also edited by Cookiethepug.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:32, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Bbb23: No technical connection between those two that I can see. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:36, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've blocked and tagged Cookiethepug and Soggydemur based on the CPU log evidence and the strong behavioral evidence. I'll leave the fate of Rupertdonovan and Habibroyal to Blablubbs. Bbb23 (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that Habibiroyal and Rupertdonovan are suspiciously similar, and both have the whiff of UPE. Blocked both as UPE, uncertain of their connection to this farm. Closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 15:55, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

03 September 2021[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Active
Possibly stale
Already blocked


-- MarioGom (talk) 20:49, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

--MarioGom (talk) 21:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Moved Beltroad714 and Gunkhalve to possibly stale. Added Chartwind to the active section. Chartwind is relatively old and even better connected to older socks. MarioGom (talk) 16:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added Riperminus, which overlaps with other blocked socks on drafts, has consistent timecards, and shares style quirks. Moved Siftsirwin to stale. MarioGom (talk) 20:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There's a decent amount of weirdness in the logs here, I'm pretty sure that some of the accounts in the archive aren't Ross kramerov (though my notes in the archives suggest subcontracting...so maybe that's what's going on?). Paisavassul, GreenPastures17, Chartwind, and Riperminus are  Possilikely (a mix between possible and likely) to each other (they geo to the same general area, but common UAs and wide ranges are involved). I'd also call  Possible-possilikely on the relationship between these accounts and the archives (particularly Gustav Stockton and, to a lesser extent, Soggydemur). I'll block this lot, leaving tagging to a clerk. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tagged, closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

25 December 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]


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  • CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk to compare to the case logs and check for sleepers. Note that I'll probably be requesting blocks for the first 2 anyway. MarioGom (talk) 18:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rothwarms7 is stale. I'd say both of the other two are a  Possible to the group in the 3 September 2021 archive based on historicals, but no higher confidence than that. Izno (talk) 19:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - Please, indef Bormenthalchik82 and Onetimememorial as suspected to the master. Rothwarms7 can probably be left alone as long as it's stale. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 10:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Vanjagenije (talk) 11:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing. MarioGom (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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