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April 18[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 18, 2023.

Dr. Jenner[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 25#Dr. Jenner

Tobha[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 21:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. Also, seems this redirect contained an article in 2008 prior to being subject to a WP:BLAR (this redirect is a {{R with history}}), but the content seemed to be a WP:DICDEF, and per the redirect's history, this redirect targeting where it does seems to be a WP:FORRED issue. Steel1943 (talk) 19:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:FORRED. It's the Punjabi term for village pond according to this document. --Lenticel (talk) 02:20, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. There's nothing salvageable in the unsourced 3-sentence stub that existed there for 6 months in 2008. – Uanfala (talk) 10:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Loose horse[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 25#Loose horse

A List of Feminist: Women of Color[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 21:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This was the original title of the page before it was moved in 2016, but the format (especially the colon) makes it seem like a title or something, so I'm not sure this title makes sense. Regards, SONIC678 17:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Gru (Despicable Me)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Nominator has not provided a valid reason for deletion. PLEASE see WP:CHEAP and WP:RFD#KEEP before nominating any more redirects. (non-admin closure) Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 13:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Useless redirect. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 12:28, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Quotient map[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 26#Quotient map

Rock Johnson[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 10:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Either retarget to Rocky Johnson since Rock is a nickname for Rocky, or delete it, because I believe Dwayne Johnson was never known as "The Rock Johnson". ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 09:17, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Wildfire (Magic: the Gathering)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For an opinion on the pre-redirect content history.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as unhelpful. It'd be deleted at AfD handily, that 2007 unreferenced fancruft. J947 † edits 07:14, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 13:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The material in the history is not even supported by cites. I think it's safe to assume that it will be deleted even if sent to AfD. --Lenticel (talk) 02:12, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Max fosh[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. While there may not be a firm consensus on whether to keep a correctly-capitalized Max Fosh, there is clearer consensus to delete this title. signed, Rosguill talk 16:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His name is Matthew Fosh, so having a redirect at Max Fosh doesn't make sense under the current justification of "miscapitalisation". Paul Vaurie (talk) 05:53, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Skyshroud[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 25#Skyshroud

Panemonium (D&D)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. And refine to Outer Plane#Pandemonium. Jay 💬 08:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely typo, very few pageviews. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CycloneYoris: But it's a typo (and in my estimation not that unlikely), so it's not supposed to be mentioned at the target, right? Daranios (talk) 07:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Another detail, I think if we point the redirect directly to Outer Plane#Pandemonium, that should resolve more or less all cases of confusion, voiding the need to search. Daranios (talk) 10:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Daranios: Yes, I agree. Refining to that section is preferable. I've updated my rationale above. CycloneYoris talk! 15:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 05:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as a typo redirect per Gracefool. J947 † edits 07:11, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Pazunia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Outer Plane#Abyss. Jay 💬 08:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - I added a mention to the article. BOZ (talk) 18:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as mention has been added. Daranios (talk) 10:32, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: No mention of "Pazunia" was added to the target AFAIA. CycloneYoris talk! 03:52, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not mentioned at the target as of this relist, which means that both keep !votes have essentially no weight at this time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 05:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Plane of Infinite Portals[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Outer Plane#Abyss. Jay 💬 08:28, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Alternative name for Pazunia, now included in the article. Daranios (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Term is not mentioned at the target, which makes it confusing. CycloneYoris talk! 03:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Instantaneous travel between any two points in the universe[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 26#Instantaneous travel between any two points in the universe

Untitled Super Mario Bros. film[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete on the first and no consensus on the second. Stifle (talk) 08:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No longer untitled. Pageviews have fallen significantly. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 15:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Per nomination, dead redirect. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Dead redirect is dead. Mike Allen 15:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:UFILM. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Untitled Super Mario Bros. film, which is no longer receiving significant traffic. Keep Untitled Mario film for now, because it's still getting hundreds of views per day. It's probably linked on external sites. - Eureka Lott 16:18, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and keep per EurekaLott. The first redirect is more confusing than helpful now, whereas the second one is more helpful than confusing. J947 † edits 03:52, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No longer untitled. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and keep for now per EurekaLott. The daily views for Untitled Mario film rose to thousands. Delete it after it decreases. 2NumForIce (speak|edits) 19:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both per WP:UFILM. In such cases, page views are irrelevant. Steel1943 (talk) 20:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good to see someone for once address the point here. Right, so guiding the reader from an external link to their intended destination – while with a slightly confusing redirection message –, is better than guiding them to a blank, remote, no-page-here message with a link to the search result lottery. No? J947 † edits 23:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. Veverve (talk) 22:44, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and keep per EurekaLott. Regardless of what UFILM says, we should always do what is best for our readers. When thousands of readers are using a redirect that is unambiguous, the only justifiable thing to do is to keep that redirect pointing to the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is a clear consensus to delete the first redirect but not the second.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 05:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the second one. While I totally do understand the desire for tidiness here, every time I look at these discussions there ends up being no convincing refutation to claims about page views, merely a series of bare assertions or references to other discussions consisting of the same. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the second. I tend to ignore pageviews, but this amount I cannot. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:17, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both The Mario movie is no longer untitled. It is established that it is "The Super Mario Bros. Movie". All of it's page views were converted into The Super Mario Bros. Movie once the page moved. It's a dead page. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 19:04, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete first keep second per J947. Not in hundreds any more, but the second has got 80, 80, 70, 70 views in the past 4 days, and has been steadily decreasing. Alternately, relist and wait a week. Jay 💬 07:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposed 2017 'In/Out' Referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 08:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

The rationale given for deleting Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union broadly applies here too; the fact this one specifies a year in the past in which no referendum took place makes it more confusing raher than less. When this was previously discussed at RfD in early 2016, discussion focused on the incorrect year, but today the use of "Proposed" is more misleading. It also seems plausible that a reader who follows a link to this might expect it to be about a proposed second referendum that would have followed the one in 2016. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting rather than soft deleting given the prior no consensus discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 05:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Herwarth von Bittenfeld[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 08:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Appears to link to an arbitrary person, incoming link expects an article on a noble family Tollens (talk) 05:41, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Target starts with "Hans-Heinrich Herwarth von Bittenfeld"; does not seem arbitrary at all. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:23, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The El (disambiguation)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. In the absence of a separate disambiguation page, the current target (which includes all the pages suggested for a separate dab) seems to satisfy the arguments of those arguing for both keeping and disambiguating which between them have a clear consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 13:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a valid term for or on the target page. There is no indication that the phrase "The El" specifically refers to trains. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak retarget to El, although the use of the definite article makes it seem somewhat implausible. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Retarget per Presidentman -- 65.92.244.151 (talk) 03:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not clear why MB created this. The El targets Chicago "L". Looking at the history of The El, it was never a dab, so not sure why we need The El (disambiguation). El won't make a target because of the definite article per Presidentman. Jay 💬 07:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 06:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget The El to El train as no primary target. Delete The El (disambiguation) as redundant. The El train dab is fine as it is, and I don't think a split is required. Add "The El" to the lead of the dab. Jay 💬 02:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate: From my research it seems like the only things consistently referred to as "The El" are elevated trains. Everything else for "The El" that I have found otherwise seems to be a WP:PTM, for example, The El Paso Kid. While this is a slightly unconventional redirect, it does redirect to a DAB page, just not one with the same title as the redirect, but it's similar, and I think there is some utility in it. Having said that, the page it targets to also includes train lines that would not be referred the as "The El" itself. I think it would make most sense to move Market–Frankford Line, Chicago "L", and Elevated railway. After the splitting of El train out, it would probably make sense to move that to L train and possibly delete or retarget the El train redirect, but that's outside the scope of this RfD. TartarTorte 13:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 05:14, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate along the lines proposed by TartarTorte. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget The El to El train and delete retarget per below this per Jay -- I don't see any reason that the Chicago L would be any more of primary topic than the MFL, I agree with TartarTorte that only railways are referred to by "the El", and I find it a complete non-issue that the name only applies to a subset of the articles (especially since "the L" can easily be misheard and the same can apply to other dab redirects.) eviolite (talk) 00:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (unless a viable separate disambiguation page is drafted) - regardless of whether or not The El is retargeted to El train, this redirect should be kept. If The El is kept as targeting Chicago "L", then this disambiguation is necessary as it could refer to other trains on that page. If The El is retargeted to the disambiguation page then of course this should be kept as a link to a disambiguation page. "Redundant" is not a reason to delete a redirect with a disambiguator. A7V2 (talk) 01:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's fair, it completely slipped my mind. I've changed my comment accordingly. eviolite (talk) 12:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Indivisible Productions[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 08:12, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete this redirect. There is no mention of Indivisible Productions in the target article about Chris Pratt. 2607:FEA8:761B:C900:D82D:6B98:AC2D:981C (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - It is not mentioned anywhere, so I agree with you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.209.40.250 (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural, not tagged for discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 05:08, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Chris Pratt's article now has a mention of Indivisible Productions: "In February 2020, Pratt founded the production company Indivisible Productions. It's first project, The Terminal List which stars and is executive produced by Pratt, was released on Amazon Prime Video on July 1, 2022." vistadan 10:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Per vistadan - target now includes mention of the subject of the redirect. Tollens (talk) 04:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Benalia[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 25#Benalia

Avernus (Dungeons and Dragons)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 08:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus While thematically Avernus is (possibly the most relevant) part of Baator and therefore contentwise the current redirect makes sense, it is not mentioned there, and possibly does not need to be added. It is defined at Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus, which links to the Nine Hells, so currently that makes sense as a target. Daranios (talk) 07:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Alternative theories of the Outer planes[edit]

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Etiene[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 25#Etiene

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