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January 22[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 22, 2021.

Moral Government Theology[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. There's clearly a consideration that the terms are related in some way, but the obscurity of the topic and the lack of clarity of the nomination statement has not lead to a discernable consensus as to where the line is. Having been relisted twice over the course of several weeks, it does not appear further consensus is going to develop from this nomination. ~ mazca talk 17:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Moral Government Theology" is a theology that Alan Gomes found taught in YWAM from the 1970s until the 1990s (cf. his book: Lead Us Not Into Deception, page 1). It incorporates some theological distinctives: Open theism, Pelagianism, Governmental theory of atonement and specific teachings about the attributes of God. This redirect is misleading because it can lead to think that Governmental theory of atonement includes all what is included in "Moral Government Theology". I propose then to delete this redirect.---Telikalive (talk) 12:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Thryduulf: I used the redirect name you are talking about only to emphasize an additional factor of confusion. But, I tried to make my explanation clearer.---Telikalive (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm now completely uncertain what you are proposing. Thryduulf (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf: Realy ? then I rationalized it a little more. ---Telikalive (talk) 15:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seventyfiveyears (talk) 22:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Not having read every word of Gomes's paper, it still seems to me that he's basically in the same camp as everyone else who connects the phrase with Grotius's ideas; he literally says that the people he's writing against go beyond Grotius. My impression is that Gomes's accusations are not notable (there's no indication of that in GScholar). The huge caveat I have to this analysis is that there is every indication that the term is unique to Gomes and that other references on line derive from WP, and that on a scholarly level nobody really cares except for a bunch of apologetics sites. Mangoe (talk) 00:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Allma[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. signed, Rosguill talk 20:35, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect can be considered confusing, going against WP:POLA. I looked for more appropriate pages to link to, but came up short. I also realized that I removed the only instance of this redirect from List of meat substitutes so I don't know if this should even still exist. There are no mentions of "Allma" except a single short mention on the Chlorella page. Sfern824 (talk) 21:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Almost all of the first two pages of google results for "Allma" relate to a construction company in Glasgow, and the only two relating to food are from the manufacturer's website. This, combined with the lack of any information on Wikipedia means this is not a useful redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There is a company Allma [1] that is a manufacturer of chlorella, and there is a relevant mention in the article supported by a legitimate reference. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seventyfiveyears (talk) 22:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Shhh. MB 19:57, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Admiral Benbow[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nom before any substantive comment. (non-admin closure) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:57, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced the two-entry dab page this pointed to with a redirect to the primary topic. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Twinkle betrayed me. I actually want to delete Admiral Benbow (disambiguation). Clarityfiend (talk) 21:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Clarityfiend: Happens to me too. Do you want to withdraw this then? You can use WP:G14 for Admiral Benbow (disambiguation). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:47, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, withdraw this nomination. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Second impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 30#Second impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump

James MacQuarrie[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. I'll go ahead and refine it to the Crew section which seems logical to me. -- Tavix (talk) 01:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Potter: Book Six[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Hog Farm Talk 18:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The two directs are not needed anymore; nobody types these types of titles with a colon, followed by the book number. Also, none of the other books in the Harry Potter series have this type of redirect (such as Harry Potter: Book One.) Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 17:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - they're unambiguous, correct and harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 17:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both per Thryduulf. To add onto that point, some people might use this terminology to search for the books. Regards, SONIC678 19:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously correct, obvious keep for both. Enjoyer — talk 11:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Correct and unambiguous, and a somewhat reasonable search term. These are ancient redirects from page moves - the articles for the 6th and 7th books started out at these titles before their name was publicly released - so there may be some incoming links out there in the internet. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 18:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Why bother nominating harmless redirects for deletion? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Yaugt[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep and tag as {{R from misspelling}}. -- Tavix (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't seem to be particularly plausible, suggest deletion. Hog Farm Talk 17:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Per "Category:Redirects from misspellings". Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 17:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Perfectly plausible misspelling - there are literally hundreds of examples on the internet of this exact spelling being used to mean "yacht". Thryduulf (talk) 17:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this an alternative spelling in another language? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think so - all the results I looked at were in an English language context (although many in places that suggests it was written by non-native speaker, not that that matters and not that there weren't also examples from probably native speakers), Wiktionary has no entry at wikt:yaugt. Google Translate detects it as Hmong but I think that's incorrect - when I ask it to translate the English word "yacht" alone or in a sentence ("the yacht has yellow sails.") it gives me "yacht" ("lub yacht muaj daj daj.") suggesting it doesn't have the word in its lexicon, and a google search for "yaugt" "hmong" finds nothing relevant (mostly pornography for some reason). Thryduulf (talk) 19:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks like a phonetic spelling to me. Some people just pronounce the word this way, unlike the Monty Python pronunciation. -- 70.31.205.108 (talk) 05:01, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, plausible typo. As to why it's plausible – on the QWERTY keyboard G is next to H. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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South Africaà[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A quick search is not bringing up anything that suggests that the special character is frequently added to the end, will withdraw if proof of common usage can be found. Hog Farm Talk 17:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete implies this is different from South Africa, and is not a variant like Hawaii / Hawai'i AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete implausible as a typo (t · c) buidhe 19:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I believe this typo is caused by holding the letter A down too long on a phone keyboard. This redirect has been surprisingly helpful – so why delete? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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G Horned Owl[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 30#G Horned Owl

Noldorin[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 29#Noldorin

Menas Teroth[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 17:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not an actual name of the subject, or even as a draft name so far as I can tell. Possibly a butchered spelling, this doesn't seem like a likely attempt. Hog Farm Talk 15:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Warren (near Mojave), California[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. The outcome of the discussion was keep, but the redirect is now eligible for WP:G8 speedy deletion as the target has been deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 17:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

delete as an unnecessary disambiguation from a now-deleted page. In all likelihood the target is going to be deleted as NN anyway. Mangoe (talk) 15:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Recommend withdrawal - The target page was at this title for over 10 years, so it would likely be kept per WP:RFD#KEEP #4. It's better to wait for the Warren, California AFD to close (it looks NN to me), in which case this redirect can be deleted per WP:G8. Hog Farm Talk 15:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Hog Farm. If the target page is kept this should be kept to preserve any links, etc., if the target page is deleted this will be speedily deleted per WP:CSD#G8. Thryduulf (talk) 17:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Over 90% of the links to this were in the Kern County places template where it was piped through for "Warren"; eliminating that and one other case of the same ilk eliminated all of the article space examples, leaving only some admin references in discussion of the renaming itself. Even if the target is kept, there is no need for this redirect, and there's no need to keep it so that it can be used anew. Mangoe (talk) 00:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Whatlinkshere only shows links from current revisions of pages on the English Wikipedia, it does not and cannot show links from anywhere else on the internet. As a former article title such links are not unlikely. Thryduulf (talk) 01:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if target is kept else delete. It's not an unreasonable Search term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per those above. The redirect's been getting views since the page move, which shows that old links do exist and we shouldn't break them. The AfD's likely about to close as delete anyhow. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Tubb tubb[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G5. Thryduulf (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible search term. A Google search brought up nothing about Teletubbies. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Real teletubbies[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G5. Thryduulf (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what "Real" means. This isn't The Real Ghostbusters. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy Delete G5. Implausible redirect created by a bambifan sock. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 14:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Nonsensical redirect; there are no "Fake" Teletubbies. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 17:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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SPIRE Institute and Academy[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. OP was a sock and no one else has clearly supported deletion, no prejudice against an editor in good standing opening a new discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

spire is NOT related to or considered an official Olympic training center. this article should be moved to draft to be fixed. Thatcontentcreator96 (talk) 13:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I've been watching the back-and-forth of the article/redirect movement and have these quotes to contribute:

"The facility is home to Spire Academy, a sports performance program for international, high school and postgraduate students."
"The Plain Dealer reported in 2013 that Spire had been selected to be an independent U.S. Olympic and Paralympic training site."
The Plain Dealer, Dec. 9, 2019, "Spire Institute sports complex in Geneva sold to Baltimore investment group; expansion planned"

The latter quote is interesting in the fact that it identifies SPIRE as having "been selected" yet doesn't confirm that it was at the time of the newspaper article; however, I have not seen a source that disproves that it is or that it was and no longer is. In spite of the ambiguity, there seems to at least be enough evidence that this is not spam and would be legitimate enough to mention on the training center page if it can be confirmed that at one time that it was affiliated, if not still. The former, while not directly related to this discussion, seems to me to convey that the facility is on the level of, say, a charter school, and therefore could be eligible for an article, assuming guideline adherence within WP:EDU or similar project, and therefore the need for a redirect would no longer be an issue. Mapsax (talk) 23:20, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Existential threat[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 29#Existential threat

Glanduin[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 29#Glanduin

Gaius Julius Caesar I[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 29#Gaius Julius Caesar I

Aulus Postumius Albinus Magnus[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 29#Aulus Postumius Albinus Magnus

Abbas Nouri[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. I'm just now realizing I closed this a day early. Especially given the WP:SILENCE closure, please feel free to request a reversal, though the nominator seems to have identified a very straightforward error. --BDD (talk) 22:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete good faith redirect, as Abbas Nouri competed for Iran at the 1992 Summer Paralympics#Athletics (in Long jump J4 and Triple jump J3–4), thus cannot be the redirect targeted to Mírzá ʻAbbás Núrí, who died in 1839. Jmg38 (talk) 01:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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