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December 16[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 16, 2021.

Phi Kappa Alpha (local)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Phi Kappa Alpha. ✗plicit 00:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are now six groups with a reasonable claim to the name Phi Kappa Alpha, and for clarity I've created that as a DAB (setindex). The Freed-Hardeman University group had captured two variants of the name for an article that merely goes to a section of the university's article. It will be more clear to delete these so readers have to choose at the DAB page level. Jax MN (talk) 23:33, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Phi kappa alpha[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Phi Kappa Alpha. ✗plicit 00:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We've determined there are at least six groups with this name. I've created a DAB (setindex) page with all of them, at Phi Kappa Alpha, including "Freed-Hardeman". It makes this redirect unnecessary and confusing on two counts. First, the use of lower case is confusing here, and normally not done for Greek Letter Organization articles. Second, because Phi Kappa Alpha (local) already redirects to it, it is duplicative and would certainly merit a merger, if not deletion of both. (Note: In light of the DAB I will ask to delete that second redirect, also, with an additional request.) Jax MN (talk) 23:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:YELL[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#shouting. ✗plicit 00:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, this page has only be referred to once but it's strange because it occurred in 2013 and this page was only created in October 2021. I don't think it is known to be a redirect or what the connection is between yelling and assuming good faith. Liz Read! Talk! 22:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that isn’t a good target. Maybe the target of WP:SHOUT would be better but I have my doubts.--65.93.193.134 (talk) 06:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Mr. Biggs[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 31#Mr. Biggs

Validity of Catholic Church Authority[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 24#Validity of Catholic Church Authority

Zero-level projection[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to X-bar theory#Projection. -- Tavix (talk) 21:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target, GScholar suggests this phrase is common across many disciplines, not just linguistics. Delete unless justification can be provided signed, Rosguill talk 18:49, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I have reverted the change of target done when the discussion was on.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget per Dragoniez, now that the term has been explicitly defined there. I don't see a lot of uses online that aren't related to generative grammar, and there appear to be none here on Wikipedia. – Uanfala (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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'nam[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 28#'nam

Simon Christopher Joseph Fraser, 15th Lord Lovat[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Simon Fraser, 15th Lord Lovat. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 05:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formerly used in Lord Lovat as redirect to the 13th Lord (which is by some considered the 15th): the fact is the actual 15th Lord Lovat is a different person (a WWII veteran born in 1911, as the text itself says). I fixed the link in Lord Lovat, now the redirect is quite useless as it is not mentioned as target by any page and IMHO should be deleted. Leofbrj (talk) 14:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Christmas parade[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 31#Christmas parade

Wikipedia:Size[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Article size. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 05:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I sampled pages linking to the redirect. I found that users refer it to the other page Wikipedia:Article size. Furthermore, WP:SIZE currently redirects to that page. To avoid confusion, especially from those wanting to just lowercase "size" while typing, the "Size" should also redirect, i.e. retarget, to "Wikipedia:Article size". Alternatively, it can become a disambiguation page, but I'm unsure whether it would be often referred to the "size of Wikipedia" itself. George Ho (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC); edited, 23:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 02:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate makes sense. I refer to article size a few times a year, and the size of Wikipedia is more of a fun-to-know thing that doesn't help editors. But it's pretty neat and worth not hiding either. Remembering that I need to type ARTICLESIZE insteaf of SIZE uses extra brain cells I can't spare. If no disambig, SIZE should go to the article size page. Herostratus (talk) 05:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Wikipedia:Article size and remedy the 94 existing links to the page as necessary. This would be an arguable case for disambiguation given the broad and simple nature of the term. However, over 3500 extant links exist to WP:SIZE (making it unwise to change both due to the required labor and the trouble it would cause for this who use this regularly; unfortunately this seems to have developed a primacy and it is therefore too late for what would be ideal projectspace disambiguation in this case), and the upper and lowercase version should practically point to the same place. WP:SIZEWP and WP:WPSIZE would serve well as projectspace shortcuts for the current target. Moreover, a hatnote listing the current target (and anything else relevant enough) can be placed at WP:Article size as a navigational aid for those who may be looking for a different page. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget: Per above. Aasim (talk) 01:04, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget to Wikipedia:Article size per Godsy. I also like the shortcut ideas, I will get them set-up shortly (as they would be useful no matter what happens with this redirect). -- Tavix (talk) 15:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Cyanide gas[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. There's no point in opening another RfD for this redirect when the previous one was closed just two weeks ago, and especially considering how everyone overwhelmingly supported the status quo. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 09:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

It seems to have multiple terms that called as "cyanide gas". Retarget to Cyanide, or Delete to search results. 49.48.147.206 (talk) 07:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Mobile-only bank[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 31#Mobile-only bank

Mucholapka[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Miłków, Lower Silesian Voivodeship for now. If the situation changes in the future, feel free to retarget or renominate. -- Tavix (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No idea why this is targetting Die Glocke (hoax) or Die Glocke. —Kusma (talk) 22:12, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per below. This is the nickname of a ruined structure in Poland that is apparently associated with urban legends (or hoaxes?) that may be related to Die Glocke [1]. Still, that's not discussed in the article, and as far as I can see is unlikely to ever be. – Uanfala (talk) 23:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC) This is being discussed at greater length below: #The Henge. – Uanfala (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. As SpinningSpark observed below, we have a mention of the topic at Miłków, Lower Silesian Voivodeship, so that looks like a potential target. However, there remains some uncertainty about the best place on Wikipedia for the topic to be described, and about whether this topic should be described in the first place. Better content may get added to a different article, or it may get removed from Miłków, Lower Silesian Voivodeship altogether – the search results would automatically reveal the suitable target, if there is one, and they also happen to provide a navigational path to the Wiktionary entry for the much more common generic meaning of the word. – Uanfala (talk) 00:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Miłków, Lower Silesian Voivodeship. This is a Polish word meaning Flytrap. It is referring to the same structure in Die Glocke called The Henge. The article on the Polish village is the best place to make that connection. SpinningSpark 17:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Muchotapka[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 18:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No idea why this is targetting Die Glocke (hoax) or Die Glocke. —Kusma (talk) 22:12, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I can see no relation to the purported weapon, and there's certainly nothing in the article (either now or in the version at the time the redirect was created) to suggest otherwise. – Uanfala (talk) 23:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The t in Muchotapka appears to be a visual misspelling for the ł in Muchołapka (see above). Still, that's not discussed in the target article. – Uanfala (talk) 23:41, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    This is being discussed at greater length below: #The Henge. – Uanfala (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a fan of misspelling ł as t. —Kusma (talk) 10:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: we don't seem to ever create redirects with t for ł. – Uanfala (talk) 23:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, we shouldn't encourage misspellings, especially stupid ones. SpinningSpark 17:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as implausible spelling. No results in Google search as well, except for one blog. Jay (talk) 09:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The Henge[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus but I will update the target to Die Glocke (hoax) due to the target's name change (and removal of a dedicated section for The Henge). The original concern about a lack of mention has been resolved, so this became a discussion of whether it is better to target the disambiguation or not. Due to concerns over the lack of entries at the disambiguation page known as "The Henge", consensus to make a change did not develop. However, I will add a hatnote so there is an easy link to the disambiguation. -- Tavix (talk) 18:18, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Target section in Die Glocke (hoax) (I just moved the article so Die Glocke can target the more notable real things at Glocke) was removed ten years ago. At present, this is just confusing. Delete. —Kusma (talk) 22:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, although this has been removed from an article about a hoax, I'm pretty sure this is a genuine Nazi-era structure of unknown purpose [2]. The Polish name Mucholapka (Fly Trap) redirects to the same place and appears to be a synonym for the same thing. I'm surprised that Wikipedia does not have an article on this. Miłków, Lower Silesian Voivodeship mentions "Mucholapka" and could make a suitable retarget for both redirects. I'm still looking to see if we have anything better on it. SpinningSpark 23:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment it can be retargetted to Henge (disambiguation), and both Project Riese and Die Glocke (hoax) can be added there. -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 02:46, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The Henge" is a proper name, so should have a proper target, and you can't add an entry to a disambiguation page that doesn't discuss it. SpinningSpark 14:32, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Henge (disambiguation). "Henge" is a common word so it's likely that any number of structures could be referred to as "the henge". I don't think the capitalisation is enough to disambiguate here (all the more so given that this particular henge appears to be extremely obscure). Even if we stick to proper nouns, there are other entities with the name mentioned on Wikipedia, for example, the sculpture by David Harding. The dab page can be expanded with an appropriate entry for the Polish structure if relevant content is added to an article (so far, Miłków, Lower Silesian Voivodeship seems like the best place for that). – Uanfala (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Something on the structure has been readded to the article after a discussion at Talk:Die Glocke (hoax)#Description section. I don't agree with retargetting to the dab page. If a reader searches for the capitalised title or clicks on a capitalised link then they are looking for something with that as a proper name, not something else called a henge. SpinningSpark 17:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • But keeping pointed at Die Glocke (hoax) implies that the structure in Poland is primary with respect to the other things that are referred to by the proper noun the Henge, like David Harding's sculpture. – Uanfala (talk) 22:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • There are no entries at all on the disambiguation page for "The Henge". SpinningSpark 23:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • If there are no entries worthy of including on the dab page, then the redirect should be deleted. If, on the other hand, it gets decided in in this discussion that any topics (like the one the structure in Poland) are worth providing navigation for, then, obviously, the relevant entries will be added to the dab page as a result of the discussion. – Uanfala (talk) 12:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • I don't think our decisions should be driven by the contents of a newly created dab page. SpinningSpark 15:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep targeted at Die Glocke (hoax) (which is the current target) which has a mention. Oppose retarget to Henge (disambiguation) which is about Henge, not The Henge. I have added David Harding's work there, and again, it is not called The Henge. Jay (talk) 07:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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