Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 16

April 16[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 16, 2021.

Template:Str index any[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Str index any → Template:Str index (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Obsolete template redirect, only one use. Can also get rid of its subpages. User:GKFX^talk 22:25, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Lastbut0[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lastbut0 → Template:P-1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Template redirect which is not transcluded. One incoming link refers to the old version of the page not the current target. User:GKFX^talk 21:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly cannot remember why I brought the pre-redirect version over from Meta Wiki. If it’s not used, then its deletion cannot have too many consequences. — Spike Toronto 07:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Aa[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aa → Template:RM top (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Now that {{zz}} has been deleted on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3#Template:Zz, there is no reason to keep this here. Same delete reason as in the linked RfD. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 20:07, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per deletion of {{zz}}, doesn't make sense by itself, unexpected redirect --DannyS712 (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unused, doesn't make sense without the matching redirect (not that it was particularly intuitive to start with), shorthand template shortcuts are limited and I'm sure that someone will come up with a better target for this. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 12:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete of course, same rationale as the other one. Elli (talk | contribs) 12:42, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The former guy[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The former guy → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I get where it's coming from, but this is not a helpful redirect. There are a multitude of things people could be looking for with this search term. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:04, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This phrase is unusual and, by itself, meaningless. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Could refer to anything and, in the context of US presidents, can easily change. Dominicmgm (talk) 22:40, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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LeBron Witness Shirt[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 23#LeBron Witness Shirt

Big 11[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 23#Big 11

Mid-range shawty[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mid-range shawty → Josh Smith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A fairly obscure nickname for Smith that isn't mentioned in the target or any other article. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Obscure and no mention at target.—Bagumba (talk) 05:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless someone can mention it in the target. As the redirect has been there for 9 years and still no mention in the target, and the discussion at the target's talk page has not seen a response, the name is indeed obscure. Jay (talk) 16:29, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Ion Bălan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ion Bălan → Ion Balan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ion Bălan (politician) → Ion Balan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete: Ian Balan (the target) is a Moldovan politician whereas Ion Bălan (the redirect) is a Romanian politician (ro:Ion Bălan). Having one redirect to the other is confusing. Gorobay (talk) 15:17, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:18, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fukuoka Asian Film Festival[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fukuoka Asian Film Festival → List of film festivals#Asia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target. Nardog (talk) 13:52, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Fukuoka#Festivals after adding a sentence or paragraph about the film festival there, then also add the (redirect) link to the list article. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 14:14, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, the thing just ended for good, and it's a very different kind of festival than those already mentioned in that section, so there's a good chance it'd be removed again even if we added it there. Nardog (talk) 18:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If the current redirect target doesn't mention it, that's the current redirect target's fault. The festival is almost certainly notable enough for a standalone article, let alone an entry in a list, Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:R#D10. The current target correctly does not mention it, because it only contains entries that have articles. A redlink notifies anyone who sees it that we need to write an article about it. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 61.239.39.90. And agree with Hijiri88 that it's notable enough for a standalone article. Jay (talk) 16:18, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to encourage article creation per the 61 IP and Jay. CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Caroline Henry[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:13, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline Henry → Carol Henry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete as misleading. Unlikely that any English first speaker would confuse the two variants. Page stats show that the few views that have occurred are consistent with Caroline Henry (wife of Conservative MP Darren Henry) being announced as a candidate for Police and Crime Commissioner. I checked per BEFORE when updating the PCC article. For me, there's nothing more frustrating that arriving at an inappropriate link. Old RfD = delete on 11 August 2018 refers to a non-notable Caroline Henry [journalist), can't understand why this was created 16 February 2019?

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Henry – delete

Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:22, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Name redirects are common — Jonathan may redirect to Jon, William may redirect to Will, Katherine may redirect to Kate, Charles may redirect to Charlie, Robert may redirect to Rob, etc. "Carol Henry" is contained entirely within "Caroline Henry", thus it may be of help to some users searching for similar names. On the other hand, no one would benefit if "Caroline Henry" were to become a redlink. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:16, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. No such person is listed on the disambiguation page, and we regularly delete "name variant + surname" redirects where there is no evidence that any person in Wikipedia actually uses the variant name: see e.g. RfDs for Samantha Leach, Billy Bentinck, or this whole bunch. Meanwhile, per WP:R#D10, a redlink is a valuable signal to readers & editors alike that we lack an article about the potentially-notable Police and Crime Commissioner Candidate. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 05:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I didn't think to check until reading the argument above, but Carolina Henry was likewise created 2 minutes afterwards. FYI only.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:00, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The target does not disambiguate Caroline Henry. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, along with Carolina Henry, Karolina Henry, and Karoline Henry. These are different names, and there is no evidence that anyone listed is a [K|C]arolin[e|a]. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 61.239.39.90.Jay (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Russian Automobile Federation[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 01:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Automobile Federation → List of FIA member organisations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nominating for deletion. The target provides no information on the subject. Literally nothing apart from confirmation that this is the official name and that it exists. This redirect therefore serves no purpose other than to remove red links. Given there is a draft, WP:RfD#D10 also applies.
SSSB (talk) 07:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No information whatsoever in the article about the Russian Automobile Federation other than perhaps what can be gleamed from the name anyway. Definitely better off as a redlink. A7V2 (talk) 12:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak~~ keep given the nomination premise is false. Redirecting to List of FIA member organisations doesn't give the reader a fount of knowledge, but it does show that the RAF is an FIA member responsible for sport and mobility. While that isn't a great deal, it certainly isn't Literally nothing apart from confirmation that this is the official name and that it exists and it is more informative than a red link. While WP:RfD#D10 could certainly apply here, the draft does not currently meet the WP:GNG threshold and isn't going to anytime soon. Simply that a draft exists is a pretty weak reason to delete a redirect if you ignore the quality of the draft.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It just wasn't necessary to create a redirect to avoid a redlink. That could have been simply done by implementing a piped link to the section in the article that mentions this subject. However since the text is a really self-explanatory and the subject does not appear to have the notability to warrant a standalone article, a link was really necessary at all.T v x1 22:12, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. As Nikita Mazepin competes in Formula One under an "RAF" flag given the WADA ban on the Russian flag, readers would wonder what the Russian Automobile Federation is. Reminder of WP:OTHERSTUFF - just because many other automobile federations don't have redirects doesn't mean this one should go. The redirect is here out of a need to remove an outstanding red link that has 32 mainspace links to it. Spa-Franks (talk) 12:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Spa-Franks: To remove red-links is not a valid reason to keep a redirect. Redlinks are desirable in cases where an article could plausibly be created as it makes it clear that no such article exists. Hence reason to delete a redirect number 10. A7V2 (talk) 22:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, but RAF is a viable search term, and addressing potential search terms is one potential role of a redirect. As I noted above (and Joseph2302 has mentioned below), the RAF draft is not showing promising signs so while RfD#D10 is applicable to the letter, it isn't useful in practice (WP:NOTBURO).
5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:17, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't responding to the claim it is or isn't a viable search term, Spa-Franks says "The redirect is here out of a need to remove an outstanding red link" which is a bad reason to keep or create a redirect. In any case, of course someone could search for "Russian Automobile Federation", but I do not feel they are well served by being taken to a list with no real details about the organisation (including a circular link, too). To me the quality of the draft is not relevant to the spirit of reason to delete number 10. There is "virtually no information" about the RAF in this article, so why should we redirect to it? Perhaps a better option if you feel that these organisations will never satisfy notability requirements would be to include short blurbs about the non-notable organisations on the list article? A7V2 (talk) 00:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nor am I saying "it should stay because there's 32 links to it", I'm just saying, as a statement of fact, why the redirect was created: I would humbly suggest removing all of the links if the redirect is deleted. Spa-Franks (talk) 22:55, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It serves purpose so people know what RAF means. Normally, I would suggest delete to encourage article creation, but there's no evidence the RAF passes WP:GNG- there's a draft article, but it's nowhere near showing non-inherited notability of this organisation. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:11, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment as people are bringing up that WP:RfD#D10 doesn't apply because it is a redirect, I wanted to clarify that I had not looked at the draft, or checked whether it would pass WP:GNG when I mentioned it in my rational.
SSSB (talk) 09:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete consistent with the dozens of other redlinks at the target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:31, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Wentworth (season 9)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wentworth (season 9) → List of Wentworth episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Initially created redirect given news of a ninth season at the time; this news later changed and there will be no ninth season, meaning this redirect is unnecessary as it links a topic that will not exist. -- /Alex/₂₁ 07:12, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Although the page has a different target now, and not what is listed, the new target is no better.Jay (talk) 15:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Bilgewater[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Bilge. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bilgewater → League of Legends#Setting and lore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article. Bilge (where Bilge water targets) is probably the better option. Hog Farm _Talk 06:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nominator. Worth noting that Category:League of Legends location redirects and Category:League of Legends character redirects to lists both consist almost entirely of {{R to article without mention}}s. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 08:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Arkansas Bay[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Bay, Arkansas. ✗plicit 00:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arkansas Bay → Louisiana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article, and a search of GNIS brings up no features in Louisiana named Arkansas Bay. I don't think this is really a logical redirect to point to Aransas Bay as a spelling error redirect, so this should probably be deleted. Hog Farm _Talk 06:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget to Bay, Arkansas since I suppose someone may search for it this way. Otherwise just delete per nom as there doesn't appear to be any place called "Arkansas Bay". A7V2 (talk) 07:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Bay, Arkansas per A7V2. A possible way to put it. Less Unless (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Alcare Hand Degermer[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 24#Alcare Hand Degermer

Шығыс Қазақстан облысы,[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:05, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Шығыс Қазақстан облысы, → West Kazakhstan Region (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:UNNATURAL. Note that Шығыс Қазақстан облысы exists. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 06:03, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The comma makes this implausible. Dominicmgm (talk) 06:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as implausible search term. Less Unless (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Alex Oliveira[edit]

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The result of the discussion was procedural close. Wrong venue. I've started a discussion at Talk:Alex Oliveira (fighter)#Requested move 16 April 2021. (non-admin closure) 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 22:04, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Oliveira → Alex Oliveira (footballer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nomination to delete the page to make space for a move of Alex Oliveira (fighter). A speedy deletion request was contested and denied. Rationale: The fighter is the more notable person under this name. The fighter competes in the premier organization of his sport, and was at least for a time being listed at least among the top 20 fighters in his weight division globally (as per this site). He has headed a main event in the UFC organization (UFC Fight Night: Cowboy vs. Cowboy). These appear to be overall more notable achievements than those of the footballer. The footballer played his career in 2nd and 3rd tier leagues in different countries. There seems very little media coverage on the footballer, despite competing in the overall far more notable sport. Recency should not be the issue as the footballer played well into the internet age, so digitally available media coverage should exist aplenty. It is difficult to evaluate as the footballer never competed in the English-speaking world, my research may indeed be biased. D-M (talk) 06:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RfD isn't the right venue for move requests, try WP:RM. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 20:25, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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April 16[edit]

Template:Str index any[edit]

Template:Lastbut0[edit]

Template:Aa[edit]

The former guy[edit]

LeBron Witness Shirt[edit]

Big 11[edit]

Mid-range shawty[edit]

Ion Bălan[edit]

Fukuoka Asian Film Festival[edit]

Wikipedia:NEW[edit]

🙌[edit]

Roman equivalent[edit]

Caroline Henry[edit]

Russian Automobile Federation[edit]

Wentworth (season 9)[edit]

Bilgewater[edit]

Arkansas Bay[edit]

Alcare Hand Degermer[edit]

Шығыс Қазақстан облысы,[edit]

Alex Oliveira[edit]