Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 10

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June 10[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 10, 2020.

Omar Williams[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 20:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Assuming good faith from the creator, any usefulness for this redirect is just too far a stretch. The name is not in the target article because it never was there and quite probably will never belong there. Omar Williams is the stage name of a real but very obscure porn performer, who is not likely to be notable for even a mention in Wikipedia. More important, Omar Williams is the name of multiple real persons unrelated to porn, who are more likely to be notable than the intended subject. • Gene93k (talk) 10:21, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Cannot fathom why this was created. Subject has only ever been nominated for 1 award, 7 years ago, [1]. Zaathras (talk) 15:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Brightest Messier Galaxy[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 18#Brightest Messier Galaxy

Shelley Luther[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to COVID-19 pandemic in Texas. I don't see any explicit blocks or objections to retargeting. There are only two !voters supporting deletion, and one of them is fine with retargeting. Therefore, I see consensus to retarget this redirect to COVID-19 pandemic in Texas. (non-admin closure) Pandakekok9 (talk) 02:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target. An internet search suggests that someone by this name was fined for operating a business in violation of a shelter-in-place order, but it doesn't seem like an incident likely to be DUE in the target article. I would suggest deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 19:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete or retarget to COVID-19 pandemic in Texas. Definitely not an appropriate redirect to the main COVID-19 page. It's unclear if her reopening of her salon may have spread the disease, but unless it's proven otherwise, she should not be considered relevant to the pandemic. Here is a news article if anyone wants some context as to her alleged relevance. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:09, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per Tenryuu. Looking into Shelley, her debate/decisions are considered notable due to the amount of media coverage. Captain Galaxy (talk) 21:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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L2 space[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Square-integrable function. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They should point to the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Caesar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Speedy keep and retarget. (non-admin closure) Consensus appears to be that Julius is the primary topic and that both variant spellings should go to the same page; and given the overwhelming margin and the already significant participation for an RfD, there's no reason to keep this running the full 7 days. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure these ought to go to the same place. Confusingly, the same user has been involved in both. Cæsar started as a redirect to Caesar (2005) and aside from disruption in 2010, it continued that way until 2013, when Xezbeth redirected it to the current target. Twenty-one minutes before retargeting Cæsar, Xezbeth moved Caesar to Caesar (disambiguation) and then recreated Caesar as a redirect to Julius, and aside from periodic disruption, Caesar has been at its current place except for a couple times in 2015 when someone retargeted it to the disambiguation page, and someone else reverted. So...should both go to Julius, or the disambiguation page? Or is there some compelling reason for keeping these at different targets, and if so, what is it? Nyttend backup (talk) 13:45, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget Caesar to Caesar (disambiguation) or, perhaps, Caesar (title). Caesar can mean many things, not necessarily Julius Caesar. I see little reason why Cæsar should not redirect to Caesar. Avis11 (talk) 15:17, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget Caesar to Caesar (disambiguation). Even in history, Augustus Caesar may be equally plausible, and there are many other uses that make Julius Caesar not a clear primary topic. ComplexRational (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changing !vote because of arguments that other instances of Caesar are in some way related to Julius, and he is more often referred to as simply Caesar. So retargeting both to Caesar per all arguments below instead seems like a good idea. ComplexRational (talk) 22:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I judged Julius Caesar to be the primary topic for the regular term, but not the one with the ligature, I forget why. Julius is the overwhelming primary topic as far as I'm concerned. Augustus, Claudius, Nero etc. are not ubiquitously referred to only as "Caesar", whereas Julius is. —Xezbeth (talk) 19:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Caesar as it is, and retarget Cæsar to Julius Caesar. Julius is obviously the primary topic, and the article already has a hatnote for those who came via Caesar. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 07:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Caesar at its current target and retarget Cæsar there per Pandakekok9, which would be the best course of action to help direct readers to their intended target. Regards, SONIC678 11:20, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Caesar at its current target, and retarget Cæsar there. Without further context, the meaning is unambiguous; if context requires a different target, it can easily be piped. P Aculeius (talk) 12:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Caesar as is and retarget Cæsar to Julius Caesar per Pandakekok9. Sharper {talk} 14:51, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Caesar and redirect Cæsar to Julius Caesar. In all likelihood, this is the primary topic, and the person that the title derives from. Jontesta (talk) 17:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Caesar and retarget the other, as several people have said. Alternatively, if for some reason the closer decides not to do that, please move the DAB page to Caesar and convert the (disambiguation) title into an {{R to disambiguation page}} redirect, per WP:DABNAME. --NYKevin 20:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Caesar and redirect Cæsar to Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar is the overwhelming primary topic for "Caesar" and probably primary for "Cæsar" - while individually an argument could be made for primary disambiguation of the latter, I think greater value is in having them point to the same place. I was very surprised at this result as I strongly to find no primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 02:13, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep n retarget per Thryduulf. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 04:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Sexual abuse of Aaron Carter[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Aaron Carter#Controversies. Note that the delete !votes have been made invalid by A7V2, see my relisting rationale. (non-admin closure) Pandakekok9 (talk) 07:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of sexual abuse at the target. If no sources can be provided to substantiate claims of abuse at the target, then this is a violation of BLP policy and should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 20:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom, possible speedy under WP:G10 (attack/libel). Narky Blert (talk) 14:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete G10 The redirect constitutes a massive BLP violation and IMO qualifies under CSD G10 as material about a BLP subject that is negative in tone and unsourced. Spicy (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete per above. --Stay safe, PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•AC) This message was left at 21:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it really that hard to find a source? (There's plenty more.) Also – the abuse may be highly unconfirmed, but note RNEUTRAL. J947 [cont] 21:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "No mention of sexual abuse at the target" - Are we looking at the same article? The last paragraph of the section the redirect points to is "Prior to her death, Leslie was planning to go to rehab to overcome her drug addiction with help from younger brother Aaron Carter.[8] In 2018, Aaron said his sister raped him for three years, from the ages of 10 to 13.[9]" I'm not claiming that citation number 9 is reliable or whatever but it is a link to Entertainment Tonight. Surely if there are BLP concerns then this section should be removed from the article rather than just remove this redirect? A7V2 (talk) 23:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Mea culpa, I used a ctrl-F search to look for "sexual" and came up with nothing. I agree now that the above comprises sexual abuse, and was simply unable to find it at first. I share Captain Galaxy's concerns below, however, and am unsure what the best solution is at this time. signed, Rosguill talk 22:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget. While there is plenty of evidence here to support the fact she may have committed sexual abuse, I feel it should be redirected onto Aaron's page, however as far as I can tell nothing about this information exists on his page, so it should only be redirected if the information is on his page. Captain Galaxy (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The delete !votes are based on the rationale that there is no mention of sexual abuse by the target, however this is proven wrong by A7V2, therefore the nom withdrew his support for deletion. Captain Galaxy suggests a retarget to Aaron's page, and the nominator seems to be okay with that. However I think we should go with a clear consensus first whether to keep the redirect as it is or retarget, especially that the delete !voters haven't clarified their stance yet after A7V2 pointed them out wrong. Courtesy ping for Narky Blert, Spicy, and Prahlad Balaji.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pandakekok9 (talk) 13:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, I should add if we are to retarget the redirect to Aaron Carter's page, somebody should add said abuse information onto his page, probably in the personal life sub page. Captain Galaxy (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There seem to be some fairly significant misunderstandings of policy and/or the underlying situation here. When a living person (here, Aaron Carter) alleges they have been sexual abused, it is not inherently a BLP violation to report this. Recklessly naming an alleged abuser certainly can be, but do note that Leslie Carter is not a living person! G10 could only reasonably apply if the redirect creator's intent was to baselessly attack her, which I see no evidence for.
Where does that leave us? I don't think any action is needed, as the redirect points to cited statements. I agree that the subject should be discussed in Aaron Carter's article, though, and that that would make a better target. --BDD (talk) 16:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BDD: Should I add something to Aaron's page, of course reliably sourced? Captain Galaxy (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds appropriate to me. Looking over the article's talk page, I don't see any discussion of this—I wanted to make sure there wasn't previous consensus to leave it out. --BDD (talk) 20:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BDD: I have added the information onto Aaron's page under Aaron_Carter#Controversies. that should make it eligible to go to that section of the page. Captain Galaxy (talk) 10:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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EXo Platform[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:33, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per a prior AfD, EXo Platform appears to be a non-notable example of a virtual workplace. As it isn't mentioned at the current target other than in a citation to a user manual for the platform (which is not the greatest citation to be including in the article), I don't see a reason for keeping this redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 20:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I have done a "What links here" and seen:
Extended content
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing ‎
  • Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion ‎
  • User:Trevj ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Business
  • Exo ‎
  • User:Tinucherian ‎
  • User talk:Tgrall ‎
  • User:Tinucherian/Watchlist
  • User:DoriSmith/ActionList ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Article alerts
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Business/Article alerts ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Java ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Java/List of articles ‎
  • Wikipedia:Pages needing attention/Java (platform)
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Java/Cleanup listing ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Java/Box articles ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Java/Article alerts/Archive ‎
  • Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Internet/Archive 1 ‎
  • User:Christian75/aa ‎
  • User talk:Robertsatya
  • User:NovelERP/sandbox
  • User:Ruud Koot/Feed ‎
  • User:Trevj/Alerts ‎
  • User talk:Benjamin Mestrallet ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/theserverside.com
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/Local/theserverside.com
  • User:Southparkfan/sandbox ‎
  • User talk:EXo Platform SEA ‎
  • User:Vipenm9/Books/ Wiki ‎
  • User:Vipenm9/Books/ Wiki ver 2 ‎
  • Book:WSSENTIAL CONCEPTS ‎
  • Book talk:WSSENTIAL CONCEPTS ‎
  • User:Helenphipps39/Books/@yahoo.com ‎
  • User:Helenphipps39/Books/[email protected]
  • User:RevelationDirect/Alerts
  • User:Paul.j.richardson/Books/Web-Dev-and-Hosting ‎
  • User:Paul.j.richardson/Books/LMS-Free ‎
  • User:Paul.j.richardson/Books/OpenLearn
  • User:JordanMussi/sandbox/Template:Internet forum ‎
  • User:Boomshakalakabangbang/sandbox
  • User:Kvng/Alerts ‎
  • User:Dnchapman/sandbox ‎
  • User:Jfuster/Books/Themes ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject WikiFundi Content/MediaWiki
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Article alerts/Archive 5 ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Software/Article alerts/Archive 5 ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies/Article alerts/Archive 11 ‎
  • Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 286 ‎
  • User:Nour-hm/sandbox/eXo Platform (Software) ‎
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies/Article alerts/Archive 12 ‎
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 February 19 ‎
  • User talk:Bjaouane ‎
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EXo Platform ‎
  • Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jaouanebrahim/Archive ‎
  • User talk:Hanover594 ‎
  • User talk:BoldLuis ‎
  • User talk:196.179.40.77 ‎
  • User:Ashref-naz/sandbox ‎
  • Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 1 ‎

It looks like important, related to virtual workspace and could merit an own section and article.BoldLuis (talk) 23:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A recent keep !vote came in with a good explanation. Relisting for further discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pandakekok9 (talk) 13:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost all of the above links are from automatically generated notices on talk pages or WP-space, most of which appear to be connected to a formerly deleted article by this title. The sole example of a link to this redirect in mainspace is at the disambiguation page Exo. I don't think that any of these links comprise a reason to keep. signed, Rosguill talk 20:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete AfD determined that the topic product is non-notable, and articles about general classes of products should not be turned into WP:EXAMPLEFARMs listing specific non-notable products. The sole incoming link to this topic in mainspace, from the dab page, should be removed as failing WP:DABMENTION - it doesn not demonstrate whatosever that this product is important. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:31, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-notable and an unlikely search term. We don't really want some random product to manipulate Wikipedia for their SEO. Jontesta (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Dopey Sugar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 20:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Target mentions multiple nicknames with "dopey", but not this. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - At AfD (of the target article), it was agreed that the list needed a trim. So, obviously, the redirects have to go too. --NYKevin 20:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Boris J[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 20:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:34, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: It was mentioned (with a tweet from Trump as the source) at the time of this redirect's creation. Glades12 (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment in its previous incarnation this was a redirect to Boris Johnson himself. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 01:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - At AfD (of the target article), it was agreed that the list needed a trim. So, obviously, the redirects have to go too. --NYKevin 20:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Fake News New York Times[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 20:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Target only mentions "Failing New York Times". 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Like Boris J above, this was mentioned at the time of creation. Glades12 (talk) 13:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - At AfD (of the target article), it was agreed that the list needed a trim. So, obviously, the redirects have to go too. --NYKevin 20:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Al Frankenstien[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Captain Galaxy (talk) 15:04, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this typo of "Al Frankenstein" worth keeping? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to the actual spelling. Much more useful than to a list of trivia. Nyttend backup (talk) 20:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is Trump's typo, not ours. HotdogPi 12:20, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-notable and an unlikely search term. Jontesta (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per HotdogPi. -- Tavix (talk) 17:48, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Trump's misspelling, not ours. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:15, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kinda weak keep. While that spelling isn't used very often in Wikipedia, and the E and I keys are five spaces apart, it's a sort of plausible one (as it sounds alike), like with Frankenstien (movie). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonic678 (talkcontribs) 00:19, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Crapitalism[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Jason Mattera. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No mention at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Melk concentration camp[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2 bare mentions at target, delete to encourage article creation. buidhe 11:30, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Entertainment industry response to George Floyd protests[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 18#Entertainment industry response to George Floyd protests

Glossary of group theory[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 17#Glossary of group theory

Responses to the 2019-20 coronavirus pandemic[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy retarget to Responses to the COVID-19 pandemic. Bot error. Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Responses to the COVID-19 pandemic. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 08:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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