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March 2[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 2, 2018.

Littleport Ice Stadium[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 12#Littleport Ice Stadium

1947 British winter[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#1947 British winter

Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709

Portal:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:41, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects are misleading as they imply a Portal where there is not one. -- Tavix (talk) 22:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (3rd nomination) for related information. Steel1943 (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    (Pinging Premeditated Chaos since these redirects' current state were essentially the result of their close to the aforementioned discussion, and to see if they have any input in the matter.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: We've been closing MfD discussions about dead portals as "redirect to parent topic" for awhile, I think, so there will be more portalspace -> mainspace redirects out there if that's of any interest/concern to the nom. In terms of this set specifically, I don't really care one way or the other if they get deleted; redirecting in this case especially was basically an IAR solution because the portal was unused except by occasional POV vandals. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: when people click on a portal link, they expect to reach a portal. When they don't, it's MOS:EGG. If someone wants to recover something useful from the edit history, there's always WP:DEL#Access to deleted pages. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete All I'm a major contributor to the ISIL page, related pages and even created some off the spinoffs so I watch a lot of ISIL related stuff. That portal was just a vandal and POV magnet with no one but me watching it. Happy to burn down the whole useless thing including the redirects that came out of the last MfD. Agree with the Nom the redirects are misleading and further, someone can easy reverse them restoring the unwanted portal. Legacypac (talk) 22:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Six of these redirects were tagged as G7 by Champion and subsequently deleted by various admins. -- Tavix (talk) 17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Faithfully-flat descent[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#Faithfully-flat descent

Hinduism in the Netherlands Antilles[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:41, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The Netherlands Antilles is now defunct, so current information on Hinduism in the Netherlands Antilles is impossible. There does not seem to be any historical information on Hinduism in the Netherlands Antilles anywhere on Wikipedia, so I don't see a suitable option for retargeting. -- Tavix (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete another pointless misleading hinduism redirect. Legacypac (talk) 22:36, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - while the Netherlands Antilles were located in the West Indies, none of the present countries that make up the former colonies are listed at the target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 07:27, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Cohort (biology)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Killiondude (talk) 03:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recommend delete. This has redirected to the Taxonomic rank meaning (see Cohort (taxonomy) for years. Plantdrew recently changed it to redirect to the Cohort dab page to prevent links for non-taxonomic biological uses being added by mistake. However, there are no other biological related entries in the DAB, so I think that is not an ideal solution. Delete the redirect entirely. MB 14:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A generational cohort as used in cohort studies is generally biological. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC).[reply]
"Redirects are used to help people arrive more quickly at the page they want to read". Is it unlikely that anyone would be searching for Cohort (biology); that is an unnatural disambiguation used within WP to title different articles. Generational cohort and cohort studies are both listed Cohort which might help someone find those articles if they searched on cohort. But this term is not useful. MB 20:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I went through all the articles targetting this redirect a week or two ago and retargetted all article space links to other titles. While most incoming links intended the taxonomic rank, this redirect was attracting a significant number of links that intended cohort study or generational cohort. Cohort (taxonomy) is a more precise term for the taxonomic rank. "Cohort (biology)" is not precise enough for the taxonomic rank. I also ran across Cohort (group) targetting Cohort (statistics) and retargetted that to the disambiguation page; (group) is hopelessly imprecise, it applies to all but one of the dab page entries. I don't see much point in generally retaining redirects from incomplete disambiguations; by nature, they are not natural search terms (bearing a parenthesized disambiguator). Plantdrew (talk) 03:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As Rich Farmbrough and Plantdrew show, there are at least two other articles listed at the disambiguation page to which this could refer. We shouldn't assume that readers are unfamiliar with parenthetical disambiguation or that the parentheses make this an implausible search term. I can see a marginal benefit to keeping this and no risk of confusion or inaccuracy, so no benefit to deleting it. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 22:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Former Baekje[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 12#Former Baekje

Former Mountain Lodge[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. I added the reference. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 17:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the target article, it is unclear what "former" refers to, considering that it is not used in any alternative name for the target, and apparently, per the target article, the word "former" is ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Olivier provided sources, does that change anything?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 21:09, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can you add those as refideas or external links? That would be helpful. The first study is promising since the government calls it that and uses the acronym FML in its report. I just don't know if other sources call it as such. Striking vote as now someone finds it useful. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:35, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Faithlessness[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 03:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Though an antonym of its target, wouldn't it be more appropriately an antonym of Faith? (Note: Neelix creation, see WP:X1.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:40, 2 Masrch 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete it is barely a valid word (there were many such Neelix constructions off adding double suffixes onto words). We don't need a redirect for every constructed word in English. Anyone searching this "word" is likely looking for a dic def or guidence on how to use the word which no target supplies. Legacypac (talk) 03:37, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete nothing actually by this name in Wikipedia, and per WP:NOT we shouldn't make a dictionary entry disguised as a dab page for its various possible meanings (adultery, lack of religious faith, or whatever). That said, it's certainly a real word (160k GBooks hits), not just something Neelix made up. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:01, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Faith per nom. WP:X1 aside, this one is actually a word. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 07:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not redirect. This is as likely to refer to a lack of trust, as it is to be used in a religious context. I think the redirect should be either deleted per WP:XY or turned into a two-entry dab page. – Uanfala (talk) 20:50, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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K=jtb[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#K=jtb

Newark Orioles[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Hudson Valley Renegades. Killiondude (talk) 03:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect is to another team that played in the same city but not the same franchise. Newark Orioles would be a separate article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Hudson Valley Renegades which is what the club is now affiliated as, but it may also be okay to create an article about the former affiliation in the 1980s, since those seem to have articles. Seems rather complicated though. But it's definitely not the Co-Pilots. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:18, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Kuryente[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:40, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:FORRED. Electricity does not have affinity to the Tagalog language. Steel1943 (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. As WP:R#DELETE also says, "redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created."Dialectric (talk) 16:55, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Smallest asteroid[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Asteroid#Size distribution. Killiondude (talk) 03:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects are WP:COSTLY since this is subject to change. I had originally considered retargeting these redirects to List of exceptional asteroids, the target of redirect List of asteroids by size, but the target article does not have information about smaller names asteroids. Steel1943 (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Water(molecule)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:40, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary and WP:COSTLY due to the lack of a space between the title and the disambiguator. Also, Water (molecule) exists. Steel1943 (talk) 19:16, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. The other dab already covers it correctly. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:14, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Importance of water[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:40, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since the redirect is not a title of a book or another media subject, but rather targets the subject which it claims to be important, the redirect is misleading since it sounds like the title of an opinion piece. Steel1943 (talk) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete lest someone starts a series of "Importance of topic" redirects Legacypac (talk) 22:38, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, redirect makes assumptions of importance rather than linking to a directly related article.Dialectric (talk) 00:12, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Life and water[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#Life and water

Water surface[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:39, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear what this is meant to refer to. The closest possible subject that this redirect may relate to is Meniscus (liquid), but I do not think that target is appropriate either. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would expect that to be vaguely associated with either Hydrosphere or with whatever article we have about the liquid–gas interfaces (Surface tension? Surface science?). In the absence of an appropriate target, deletion seems best. – Uanfala (talk) 17:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - my first thought was surface tension but I have to concede this could refer to a very large range of topics, not to mention also being ambiguous with surface water. The search engine will do a better job of this. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:00, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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A form of life[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#A form of life

Lifvera[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:39, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:FORRED. Organisms do not have affinity to the Icelandic language. Steel1943 (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Preety useless. Legacypac (talk) 08:33, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. As WP:R#DELETE also says, "redirects from a foreign language title to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created."Dialectric (talk) 00:15, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Organisms.[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:39, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely WP:COSTLY redirect due to the period at the end. Steel1943 (talk) 18:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirects to Organism[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 12#Redirects to Organism

Murder for profit[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#Murder for profit

Mostly adjective/adverb redirects to Murder#Degrees of murder[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Mixed. Opted to keep all three mentioned below — I'm convinced that the particularly common usage of premeditated makes it a reasonable redirect in addition to prepense and premeditate. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 17:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Out of this batch of redirects, all of them except Premeditate were created by Neelix (see WP:X1). They all originally targeted Premeditation, now a redirect that targets Malice aforethought. Over time, due to a few WP:BLANKANDREDIRECTs that were performed and bots bypassing the redirects after such edits occurred, the redirect now target Murder#Degrees of murder. (Please see the redirects' edit histories for further information.) At the least, all of the redirects in this discussion except Premeditate and maybe Prepense should probably be deleted per WP:TNT due to WP:X1's existence; the aforementioned two should probably be retargeted to Malice aforethought. Steel1943 (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect all per nom's plan to Premeditation / Malice aforethought. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:16, 2 March 2018 (UTC) updated 15:37, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and retarget per nom's plan. Silly effort to cover every possible version of a word. Legacypac (talk) 05:35, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget premeditated, weak retarget prepense, delete others. With all respect to the opinions above, we'd be better off deleting premeditate and retaining premeditated given the relative frequencies of the words (and hence their likelihood as search terms) as seen e.g. in Google Ngrams viewer [1]
    • "Premeditated" is a reasonably common word, whereas "premeditate" and the rest strike me as barely being words at all, at best back-formations. Among all the "premeditat*" words, premeditated is far and away the most common, with the others being 1/30th or less as common (and less common even than "prepense")
    • Prepense doesn't strike me as very useful given that it's just a WP:PTM for malice prepense which is already a redirect to malice aforethought, but I don't feel strongly about it either way.
    • The other prepens* forms are basically nonsense, archaic, or not used in this way. Ngrams Viewer has never heard of "prepenses" at all, and finds the rest in tiny fractions of a percent of "premeditated". "Prepensing" is used in ways that have nothing to do with premeditated murder, e.g. "a prepensing review", "prepensing for publication", etc.
59.149.124.29 (talk) 15:51, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Hang Tuah State[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Killiondude (talk) 03:15, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hang Tuah State is not mention in the current target article, and Hang Tuah is not mentioned in the article either (aside from the see also section). Hang Tuah is probably a better target, and Malacca Sultanate does mention Hang Tuah, but without the word state. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 19:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per 59.149.124.29's findings. Redirects for well attested alternative names are kept regardless of whether at present the name happens to be mentioned in the article. – Uanfala (talk) 20:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Koszykówki[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak Polish, but based on context I suspect that this is the Polish word for basketball. It seems rather silly, then, to redirect it to one particular league. I'm sure there are lots of basketball leagues in Poland. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Google translate says you are correct it is Polish for basketball. We do not need or want redirects from every language for every word to somewhat random pages. It's a Neelix redirect too and he made thousands of silly redirects like this. Legacypac (talk) 06:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Major League Baseball players who played for Arizona State University[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary redirect and implausible search term ONR (talk) 03:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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