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April 20[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 20, 2018.

Wikipedia:X[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix (talk) 13:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense redirect. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 23:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Retarget to WikiProject X - Seems a sensible solution even if I do say so myself. –Davey2010Talk 18:52, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep ~ This has been a redirect to Wikiproject Christianity for over 12 years. "X" is frequently used as a stand-in for Christ or Christianity (think "Xmas"). Wikiproject X is a comparative babe on the scene. Moreover, it has survived one of these efforts before. There's no good reason to change it.  ● Thane — 01:01, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I get X can be seen as in relation to the Cross and all that but in my eyes there's not really any relation between "x" and Christianity and in terms of Wikipedia WP:X redirecting to Wikiproject:Christianity doesn't really make any sense whereas as we have Wikiproj:X the redirect there would make more sense, I guess we could have WP: and the actual cross symbol redirecting back to Christianity but as I said the current target is IMHO meaningless. –Davey2010Talk 03:11, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some counter points (1) Wikiproject Christianity is a mature and fully fleshed-out wikiproject that has hundreds of members (not so regarding Wikiproject X), (2) Wikiproject Christianity has had the redirect "X" for its entire existence (again, over 12 years) with people referencing it and linking to it by the redirect X, (3) "Wikiproject X" is a meaningless name; "X" has nothing to do with its purpose (improving and streamlining other wikiprojects), it's just branding, and (4) Wikiproject X already has the redirect "WPX". Why isn't Wikiproject X named Wikiproject Meta, or Wikiproject Better (or something that relates to its purpose)?  ● Thane — 03:47, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thane - In some ways I still feel my suggestion would be better .... but on the otherhand
A) This has been a redirect since 2006 so has been a redirect for over 12 years,
B) The redirect is literally linked everywhere and so far is linked on over 1,000 talkpages
C) The Christianity project is more active whereas the Wikiproject:X is more or less dead by the looks of it
and D) It does state at the top of Wikiproject:Christiananity ""WP:X" redirects here. It is not to be confused with Wikipedia:WikiProject X."
So all in all I feel retargeting this will only involve a huge wikilink cleanup and in the end there won't be much to show for it .... If it's existed for 12 years without harm it may aswell carry on existing. –Davey2010Talk 13:25, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep' Given its widespread use and the disruption deleting it would cause. Also, Davey2010, I think you messed up the formatting striking your earlier !vote. Smartyllama (talk) 18:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ah somehow hit the wrong key, thanks Smartyllama, –Davey2010Talk 18:25, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Donald Trump gropes women[edit]

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The result of the discussion was deleted by RHaworth. -- Tavix (talk) 13:41, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not particularly plausible, and not particularly neutral either. And at any rate, I doubt this is the sort of redirect Wikipedia really needs... Thegreatluigi (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as creator - the article discusses Trump groping women, and redirect titles are not required to be neutral - see, for instance, Obama is the Antichrist and Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Smartyllama (talk) 18:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - unclear how this would be a plausible search. Also wrong tense for a title. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 01:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as BLPVIO, Inappropriate redirect that serves no meaningful purpose. Also as noted it's in the wrong tense anyway. Get rid. –Davey2010Talk 18:54, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tagged for speedy deletion per G10. May require courtesy blanking. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment G10 explicitly says redirects from non-neutral, plausible search terms are not covered. We can debate whether this is a plausible search term or not, but it's definitely not so implausible as to be eligible for a speedy. See also WP:RNEUTRAL - redirects don't have to comply with NPOV. Smartyllama (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'll pass on the G10 as it is opposed here, but yeah.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment RHaworth has deleted the page with a summary indicating that this RfD was closed as delete, but has not actually closed it. Also, it's only been six days, not the full seven. Smartyllama (talk) 17:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perhpas he groks G10 angle. Need not let XfD run seven days if page is speedied.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:00, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The summary explicitly said this RfD was closed as delete, not that it was speedied. Perhaps he misspoke. I'll let him answer that. Smartyllama (talk) 18:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:UNRELIABLESOURCE[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources that are usually not reliable. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see no good reason for this redirect to exist. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that this was originally a redirect to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources that are not usually reliable would that be any better or is is that a bad choice as well?--67.68.161.151 (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are already 13 different redirects to parts of that section. I don't think editors need another. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Cannabis protest[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Although protests or rallies related to cannabis may well be held in connection with the 4/20 "holiday"—the target article has the clunkily-named section "International day for cannabis-related protests and events"—it's hardly the only occasion on which such events are held. Is there a better way of treating these? I might've expected relevant content at Cannabis culture or Cannabis rights, but there doesn't seem to be. Cannabis politics is surprisingly red, especially given the existence of Category:Cannabis politics. (It's also worth noting that "Cannabis protest" especially could be a protest against Cannabis as well.) --BDD (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget, Legality of cannabis seems the best existing option, though creating a new page for Cannabis protests might be better. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    There's nothing about protests or rallies there either, though. --BDD (talk) 14:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:REDLINK, there is definitely a notable subject worthy of an article here. The current target is probably the best target available because it at least establishes that there are cannabis protests and rallies. However, it may be misleading since there are protests and rallies outside of the "holiday". Power~enwiki's proposed retarget is worse than the status quo because there is no information about protests there. -- Tavix (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Music lover[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:45, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there is a better target for this redirect, in its current setup, the redirect doesn't lead to an article that explains its topic. (The closest match I can find at this time is Audiophile.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Fan (person)#Music - Disam could work however I believe this option is the most beneficial to our reader although if one wanted to create a disam and add a hatenote to Music then I'd have no objections –Davey2010Talk 14:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as WP:COMMONWORD unless there's a specific media called "Music Lover" as with Dog Lover. Contrast to audiophile which has a specific description. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Kanako Itō (singer)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Weak consensus, but has been open for ~3 weeks so I doubt anything new will come from leaving this open any longer. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:53, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup of recently created redirect leftover from reversal of ill-conceived series of page moves; see User talk:Gonta-Kun#Moving pages to disambiguate TJRC (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Anguswoof, why keep the redirect if the singer is the primary topic and the singer's article is at Kanako Ito? That's what WP:TWODABS seems to say. We're just undoing and going back to what it was before the page moves messed things up. TJRC (talk) 23:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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List of feathered dinosaurs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:44, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This originally pointed to Feathered dinosaur but was recently directed to the List of dinosaur species preserved with evidence of feathers which was originally titled List of non-avian dinosaur species preserved with evidence of feathers. The part that bothers me is that the new list covers mainly non-avian dinosaurs, and that there are other feathered dinosaurs that might be classified as avian, although such a list does not exist of both avian and non-avian. If the new list can be expanded to include avian, then it can be kept there, otherwise it should go back to the Feathered dinosaur article. Thoughts? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Despite the list's shortcomings, I think this is will be the best target in the long run (once it's been expanded to include all dinosaurs). Redirecting a page that says "List of..." to a page that isn't a list is confusing for the readers. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Leadership versus management[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Unopposed ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:52, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that this may have been previously explained in the target, but it isn't currently. Steel1943 (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Xbox Live Arcade games[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 28#List of Xbox Live Arcade games

Bighouse (brand)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 April 30#Bighouse (brand)

FYROM in the Eurovision Song Contest 2017[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary redirect, as it was created almost a year after the contest was over. And as explained in WP:NCMAC, the acronym should not be used when referring to the actual country. CycloneYoris (talk) 07:25, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Also, there are no other redirects of this type (with the acronym involved) used for the contest, someone just decided to create this one out of the blue. CycloneYoris (talk) 07:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The naming conventions would be a reason that this shouldn't be the article title, which is not in question here. "FYROM" is unambiguous and means the same thing as the country of Macedonia, so there's nothing misleading about this. It'll take readers where they want to go. --BDD (talk) 16:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Naming conventions only apply to the article title, and this is a helpful redirect by getting people where they want to go. When it was created is irrelevant. I fail to see a compelling reason to get rid of it. Smartyllama (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this would only apply if during the contest or in coverage of the contest the country was referred to as FYROM. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Musical equipment[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Audio equipment. Although that should probably be properly dabified, since it's really just acting as one. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The term as described in the redirect is not exclusive to its target; devices such as the guitar amplifier could be considered "musical equipment", though it is not a "musical instrument." Steel1943 (talk) 23:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Audio equipment covers most of those so that could be an entry. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Chronic flatulence[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The word "chronic" is not mentioned in the target article. Thus, the target article is unclear on what "chronic" refers to. Steel1943 (talk) 14:11, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as related condition like "excessive flatulence". Term is used in some news articles. [1] [2] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:58, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Use in news articles doesn't mean the condition exists in the way they describe. "Chronic" generally refers to something that is recurring over a very long period. It's unclear whether the flatulence was due to something the passenger ate recently or a medical problem, but that doesn't make it "chronic". Unless it's explained in the article, it should be deleted.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:04, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It can be marked as an R from incorrect name then, as medically there isn't such a "chronic" condition, but plausible as shown in the news articles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff)
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Strength (trait)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Strength. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 12:38, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As a "trait", the term "strength" is ambiguous. The use of a "strength trait" is usually present in fiction and video games; thus, it could also refer to Superhuman strength. Steel1943 (talk) 14:28, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Strength which describes multiple possibilities of it as a trait. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As an unlikely search term, I see no need for a retarget. It's simply ambiguous and should be deleted.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Retarget to Strength per Angus. The top two sections are all "traits" and should satisfy the user of this redirect. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Strength] per above. I don't believe deletion is necessary. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:CHURN[edit]

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Fresh Air Camp[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget and delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Steel1943 (talk) 02:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget Fresh Air Camp, Fresh Air camp, Fresh air camp to The Fresh Air Fund, delete hyphenated versions and Fresh air Camp This is a particular program going on in New York. But mind that the Fresh Air Fund article is currently tagged for advertising. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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