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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 24, 2017.

Mindfulness Acceptance and Commitment Therapy

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 10:47, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

• Mindfulness Acceptance and Commitment Therapy → Acceptance and commitment therapy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The title of this redirect is not a legitimate synonym for the target article (acceptance and commitment therapy or ACT) and is an implausible misnomer for ACT. Yes, mindfulness is part of ACT, but nobody calls it MACT; similarly, mindfulness is part of dialectical behavior therapy (DBT), but nobody calls DBT "MDBT", and there is no redirect from Mindfulness Dialectical Behavior Therapy to dialectical behavior therapy for the same reason. Worst of all, this redirect gives the erroneous impression that MACT is a legitimate synonym for ACT. I nominated this redirect for speedy deletion per WP:R3: implausible misnomer, and User:Patar knight declined speedy deletion and suggested RFD. Delete for the reasons just mentioned. Biogeographist (talk) 01:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

• Keep. This seems like it does get some use either in its entirety, [1][2], or as part of a phrase constructed in a way where it would be very easy to misremember "mindfulness" as being part of the whole name. [3][4] If the usage is incorrect, then tag it as {{R from error}} ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:22, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Patar knight: A couple of the links that you provided do suggest that the term is a plausible misnomer, which could justify keeping the redirect, so I will tag the redirect as {{R from error}}. The first of the links that you cited, http://www.dummies.com/religion/spirituality/mindfulness-acceptance-and-commitment-therapy-act/, only uses the phrase in the title—notice that in the content of that web page, "acceptance and commitment therapy" is used; it's likely that the word "mindfulness" was only included in the title of the web page for search engine optimization, if it was not simply a mistake. The second link that you cited, http://stuttertalk.com/2015-world-congress-on-stuttering-cluttering-and-other-fluency-disorders-ep-515/, refers to "Mindfulness Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Somatic Stuttering Treatment", which is not the same as the title of this redirect. If this redirect is supposed to refer to that treatment, it should be renamed to "Mindfulness Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Somatic Stuttering Treatment". The third link that you cited, https://books.google.com/books?id=Y6-I96IcitkC&pg=PT66, says "mindfulness, acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT)"; note the comma—I suspect this is a mistake, since it is the only mention of ACT in this source. The fact that this is a published mistake does seem to demolish my argument that the title of the redirect is an implausible misnomer, since here we have a published occurrence of the misnomer. In the fourth link that you cited, https://books.google.com/books?id=Aa5GBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT178, which says "mindfulness, acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT)", the word "mindfulness" is clearly part of the preceding clause and is not intended to be part of the name of acceptance and commitment therapy. Biogeographist (talk) 03:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

• Keep. as it is a popular term and add link to the related topics. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 02:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Goodtiming8871: I do not see any evidence that the title of this redirect "is popular term" as you claim, although the term does now seem to me to be a plausible misnomer. As I noted in my response to User:Patar knight above, the title of this redirect is more relevant to "Mindfulness Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Somatic Stuttering Treatment". What do you mean by "and add link to related topics"? Biogeographist (talk) 03:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@Biogeographist: Concerning the popular term: I noticed the Mindfulness Acceptance and Commitment Therapy on web page of some counselling Centres and the published book or article links (Yep - it might be the published mistake) [5][6]. Regarding "add link to related topics":add the clarification of information with the topic: Mindfulness Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Somatic Stuttering Treatment Goodtiming8871 (talk)

• Keep and tag as {{R from incorrect name}} there are other news articles that use Mindfulness Acceptance Committment (MAC) [7] [8] which I would think would go to the same article. I agree though that ACT is the most consistently used term [9] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.