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December 4[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 4, 2017.

Josef Fritzl[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 17#Josef Fritzl

Redirects to List of dog crossbreeds[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was procedural keep. WP:TRAINWRECK. There was a consensus of deleting those that could not find an appropriate target, but it appears some could have an appropriate target with work and some have already been retargeted. Appropriate way would be to nominate a portion at a time with checks to make sure there is no appropriate target, and so that others can check too. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:08, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

None are mentioned in the target list article. Steel1943 (talk) 18:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The reason that so many of these exist is that, if they don't, they tend to pop up again...and again... and again... I'd prefer that we better clarify that there are a zillion possible invented names and they're not all going to be here in WP. Over time, clearly these articles have changed focus. In list of dog crossbreeds, we might want to better emphasize the link to Dog crossbreed, which discusses the whole portmanteau "designer dog" breed naming thing. We can't possibly list all of the possible crossbreeds, as there are hundreds of dog breeds and people aren't even consistent in how they refer to the breeds (once upon a time we tried, but soon became clear that there was no way...). However, by keeping redirects, we can (hopefully) prevent people from recreating the articles--if you check their history, they pretty much all started with some random person creating a new article for said "name" and we'd catch it and change to a redirect. Elf | Talk 20:05, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Elf: If an unwanted article is repeatedly recreated, the proper solution would be to apply WP:SALT. Someone can overwrite a redirect with an article, so keeping redirects simply to prevent article creation seems counter-intuitive. -- Tavix (talk) 20:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Along those lines--while trying to clean up some now-incorrect links that I found by pulling this thread and watching things unravel ;-), Chiweenie wa to be a redirect to dog hybrid (which would now be dog crossbreed) in 2008. That was quickly overwritten by someone replacing the redirect with "these dogs are cool" or like that, which since then has turned into a really bad stub article, most of which is opinion, no references--on the other hand, a web search 9 years after that redirect decision, chiweenie appears zillions of times on the web. How to proceed from here? Elf | Talk 20:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've been out of the loop for a while--how does SALT protection work? Prevents recreation and also redirects to an appropriate page? What's the template -- pp-protected? If so, I couldn't figure it out and I have to get back to actual work. Sorry. Elf | Talk 20:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Salt prevents anyone except administrators from creating the title. See Special:ProtectedTitles for examples. If there are reliable sources for the crossbreed, the best thing to do would be to create the article, or at the very least add it to List of dog crossbreeds. At least if it's added to that list, there will be encyclopedic content for the redirect to link to. -- Tavix (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If chiweenie isn't worth an article, you can bring that up separately for AFD. Right now neither the chihuahua nor weiner dog articles mention this crossbreeding, so it wouldn't survive this RFD. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Some comments that begin with the wording "Note: much more common name is" were added to the list of redirects above the nomination statement. These comments were added by Facts707. (I'm in the opinion that they should be moved down here for clarity, but am not going to do that myself as that may be considered refactoring.) Steel1943 (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Change two entries and keep Dorgi: Added comments to the redirect list to two entries that have another much more common name, which I will repeat here for clarity and at suggestion of OP (thanks). Facts707 (talk) 19:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: For "Chihueagle", a much more common name is "Cheagle" (Chihuahua/Beagle cross) Google
Note: For "Pompchy", a much more common name is "Pomchi" (Pomeranian/Chihuahua cross) Google
I also think Dorgis should be Dorgi (singular) and I think we should keep it too given its mention in a few hundred books on Queen Elizabeth's dogs.
Maybe the litmus test could be 100 references in Google Books and then the cross gets a mention under a new section "Other crossbreeds" such as "Cheagle | Chihuahua | Beagle". Just a thought. Facts707 (talk) 19:07, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget some at least boldly retarget ones that are spelling variants to breeds listed in articles. I've boldly retargeted Malt-A-Poo to Maltipoo. I've also retargeted Lhatese to Kyi-Leo. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:19, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • @AngusWOOF: I just withdrew the two redirects you mentioned. Thanks for resolving them. If you find any more, I'll withdraw those too. (Unfortunately, when I made this nomination, my ability to perform WP:BEFORE was limited; worse case scenario, these redirects can be recreated if the end up pointing to an appropriate target or if content identifying the redirect is added to the target article.) Steel1943 (talk) 02:31, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 17:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did a scrub of the rest of the list and highlighted some more to keep or consider. The rest can be deleted and if need be can be added back with references and mention. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:34, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete those not mentioned anywhere as someone searching these would not be able to find any information on what they are searching for. That being said, I think a lot of these could or should be mentioned at the target, it'll just take some effort to figure out which ones are attested. -- Tavix (talk) 14:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist so that Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 November 6 can be closed. Per WP:RELIST, this discussion can be closed at any time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:25, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think the rest can be deleted if they are not specifically redirected above. Some of the cross names are still vague like French pug: could be French bulldog x Pug or French poodle x Pug AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, most of those are non-notable hybrids created by people desperate to give their mutts some kind of cool Labradoodle name, and will never be searched again, nor have articles written about them. Athough I appreciate the sentiments of some of the comments dog articles on WP are positively plagued with this nonsense among other issues. --TKK! bark with me! 18:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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MLG parodies[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For the same reason as Montage Parody. Thankful for cooperation, thankful for Wikipedia, Gaioa (click to talk) 11:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment some editors added a paragraph on MLG parodies in August, but it was deleted for lack of sources then added a back again in November with a single source to a random blog (Cherwell), other than that, it still lacks secondary sources, so the notability is highly questionable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Unlike Montage parody, this is more specific. There is currently a section called "In popular culture", but if that gets deleted then I'm weak delete. Anarchyte (work | talk) 14:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Gamecast[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget the first two to Video game live streaming and the other two to Jean M. Muller. --BDD (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like these originally redirected to the Glog article deleted in 2006; Glog was recreated as a redirect to the article about mulled wine but these redirects are not useful. For "Gamecast" there's ESPN GameCast but it redirects to a page that doesn't mention it, and there's Gamecaster but that's the name of a company. There's also Broadcasting of sports events but that also doesn't mention these. Peter James (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • This appears to be originally about game logging or glogging, so I would recommend:
Retarget gamecast and gamecasting to Video game live streaming [1] There's also a non-notable GAMECAST concept but that didn't really take off. [2] Add hatnote to the ESPN GameCast which redirects to ESPN.com Gamecaster company can be a hatnote as well.
Retarget matchcasting to Jean M. Muller who invented the technique and tag as typo? alternative name? (term is technically "match-casting") . Add "redirects here" and hatnote for MatchCast to FIFA.com
I think this would work for now. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:22, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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URI scheme[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 22:23, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should bring the article back in some form. It is definitely a notable subject, and it would also help readers narrow in on their search. I am ok with having us start by using the version in the revision history, but it likely needs a lot of edits.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:25, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I'm not sure an RfD discussion is likely to attrack the needed feedback for such a proposal. Maybe discussing it on the talk page of the target could be more productive? – Uanfala 14:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 18:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Relisting comment: @Mr. Guye: You mention that "it likely needs a lot of edits". Are you volunteering to do that? If so, it might help to draft what the article would look like. I'll also ping Scott, who carried out the merge, to see if he has any input. -- Tavix (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the ping Tavix. Sorry Mr. Guye, but I'm not convinced. As you can see from my edits in the version history, what was there before was either awful (that giant table) or redundant to Uniform Resource Identifier (as evident when David Condrey proposed the merge in October 2014). To "help readers narrow in on their search" is kind of vague as well - can you show that anyone is really looking for some distinct subtopic of "URI schemes" that isn't well enough served by the main article? Let's not do unnecessary work on the basis of conjecture.  — Scott • talk 11:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Universiteit van Korea[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No relation with the Dutch language. feminist 14:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete could not find any affinity with the Netherlands or any other Dutch speaking country. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  19:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Annotated+bibliography[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I didn't think we had redirects where the plus sign replaces a space. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:07, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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" Royal National Institute of the Deaf"[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The quotes and the odd initial spacing warrant the deletion of this redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Too many implausibilities. Also the R name is not the same as the target, making it more implausible. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  19:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Unlikely stylization for the organization. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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List of video game mascots[edit]

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The result of the discussion was restore list. Also retargeted Video game mascot to List of video game mascots (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:39, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The target article isn't a list, nor describe video game mascots. NotCory (talk) 10:15, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It could use a severe pruning. Just because a character appears on the game cover or artwork does not make it a mascot. There should be sources that indicate it is a mascot for the franchise or the system. Top lists such as [8] [9] or [10] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Restore Couldn't agree more with @Tavix:. That version should be used, with some pruning. Lee Vilenski(talk) 11:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and add sources. --Ne0 (talk) 09:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've restored the history of the original article at this title. There may be material worth keeping in there if this list is to be rehabilitated.  — Scott • talk 14:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that the general topic of companies having video game mascots is a proper, encyclopedic thing to discuss. It merits its own page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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