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December 27[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 27, 2017.

Pamela Cox[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pamela Cox. -- Tavix (talk) 03:20, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Pamela Cox is the target Enid Blyton's ghostwriter, but this was removed from the article due to sourcing and notability issues, so this redirect no longer makes sense. Sro23 (talk) 23:44, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Disinfomedia[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 5#Disinfomedia

Ricky Aguayo[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Refine to Roberto Aguayo#Personal life (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 15:20, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While Ricky Aguayo is mentioned once in the article title "Roberto Aguayo", they are not the same person; they are brothers who played the same position, kicker, at the same university, Florida State. The fact that Ricky is redirected to Roberto's article is confusing, due to their identical positions and similar names. PCN02WPS 20:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Let Ricky create his own notability. They aren't twins. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refine to Roberto Aguayo#Personal life where it clearly states that they're brothers. All it takes is for someone to read literally one sentence and all confusion would be dissipated. There's a few other mentions of "Ricky Aguayo" buried in game summaries, but I think the current target offers the most and clearest information Wikipedia has on him. Of course, if he becomes notable in his own right, someone can always overwrite the redirect with an article, but I think WP:REDLINK deletion would be a bit premature. -- Tavix (talk) 02:56, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refine per Tavix, yeah there's enough information there to be useful. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Marko Kurdos[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 03:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No obvious connection to target PRehse (talk) 19:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Meteorological history of Hurricane Harvey[edit]

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The result of the discussion was draft moved. AngusWOOF is correct that RFD is the wrong forum. If you ever have issue moving a page due for technical reasons, the correct place to make such a request is WP:RM/TR. Alternatively, one can tag the redirect with {{db-move}}. As this is uncontroversial and does not require discussion, I'm going to go ahead and make that move. -- Tavix (talk) 23:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to be temporarily deleted to make room to move this draft into the aforementioned article title. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 18:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Change to Split Request This shouldn't involve RFD unless there was an issue with how it is phrased. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:05, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Abhilash Pudukad[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 5#Abhilash Pudukad

West Kowloon (KCRC)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 4#West Kowloon (KCRC)

WP:MAINARTICLE[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 4#WP:MAINARTICLE

CAT:RI[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as redundant files. Killiondude (talk) 06:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

“Redundant Images”. WP:RI is Requested Pictures, so this is confusing. I’d suggest CAT:F1 instead. 165.91.13.60 (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment If you want the Wikipedia and Category-space shortcuts to align, that might suggest a retarget to Category:Wikipedia requested images. That category already has a prominent shortcut and this one has been serving the current target for over a decade. If there's evidence of confusion, retarget, otherwise I don't see a pressing need to change the status quo. (Either way, I'll create the suggested redirect, it makes sense.) -- Tavix (talk) 19:56, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Deccan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Note that Deccania has been blocked as a sockpuppet; their opinion has therefore been discounted. There has been some support for a move of Deccan Peninsula and it's possible that a more focused WP:RM on the title of Deccan Peninsula may result in a consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A dispute has arisen as to whether Deccan should continue to redirect to Deccan Plateau, to which it has pointed for about eight years. An editor has sought to retarget the redirect to the disambiguation page, Deccan (disambiguation), which would be WP:MALPLACED, requiring the disambiguation page to be moved to Deccan if the current target is determined not to be the primary target of the term. bd2412 T 20:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

  • I think the underlying issue can best be solved by moving Deccan Plateau to Deccan, as suggested by Utcursch at Talk:Deccan Plateau#Target of the redirect Deccan. – Uanfala 20:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I had retargeted the page to the disambiguation in response to another editor tagging it for speedy deletion for the exact reasons described by the nominator. While I did not think of WP:MALPLACED in doing so, I am also not opposed to moving the disambiguation page to this title as well should consensus result in such. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 20:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do we have any evidence (pageviews, Google hits, references in books) from which to determine whether there is or is not a primary topic of the term? bd2412 T 20:50, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
      • This I cannot comment on. I will have to ask Deccania to back their case, as the user who's insisting on changing the primary topic. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 20:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, evidence is generally required to change a longstanding status quo ante. bd2412 T 20:56, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
          • Deccan is a word that is derived from the Sanskrit word Dakshina meaning Southern[1]. People who do not have in-depth knowledge of things will make errors that will end up creating disambiguation and new erroneous synonyms leading to the denigration of a language. In fact, calling our Wiki Disambiguatiom pages as such with so many unrelated words which start or contain the same name is also not something properly done because disambiguation means to remove uncertainty of meaning from a word or sentence, but we (including me) seem to be creating more ambiguity by creating the Wiki Disambiguation pages. These pages are mostly containing wiki article names that contain the title we are searching on, that is all, and not really removing any ambiguity of the word in context otherwise we would not be having this discussion. Deccan must not redirect to Deccan Plateau but redirect to the Disambiguation page as far as I think. What I said also holds true for the usage of the word Deccan and Deccan Plateau as synonyms, somebody made an interpretation mistake and the mistake is being continued. Deccan contains a plateau which is referred to as Deccan plateau. Deccan also contains plains and coasts and mountains and rivers and other geographical entities. Deccania (talk) 22:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
          • In all rightness, Deccan must redirect to a new article called Deccan Peninsula. Deccan Peninsula is the peninsular India located south of the the Satpura and Vindhya Ranges.[2] Deccania (talk) 04:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • From my British perspective, Deccan (or, rather, the Deccan) is the historical geopolitical region. Its human history (currently section 8 in Deccan Plateau) is the most important topic, and should be much nearer the top of the article. I find the title "Deccan Plateau" confusing; it misleads the reader into thinking that this is an article primarily about geography or geology. Support utcursch's proposal on the Talk Page, i.e. move Deccan Plateau to Deccan and keep Deccan Plateau as a redirect to it. Narky Blert (talk) 11:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with what you said, that is Deccan is the historical geopolitical region and about the title Deccan Plateau being confusing. If there is an article on Deccan, geographically and politically and historically it must include all about Deccan Peninsula in entirety and it should not be redirected to Deccan Plateau. Yes you are also right from my opinion that the current article on Deccan Plateau has to be moved to Deccan because the contents of it are that of the whole of Deccan Peninsula. Finally, Deccan Plateau and Deccan Peninsula must be articles only about the geography. Deccan must be an article about the geographical (briefly), political and historical aspects of Deccan Peninsula. At that point there will be no need for redirection at all. Deccania (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think that is an excellent solution - move Deccan Plateau to Deccan and expand its contents to be about the entire peninsula. bd2412 T 18:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
        • Comment. I agree with everything in Deccania's reply to my post, and note BD2412's concurrence. I failed to say in my earlier post a thing I had in mind: as Deccania has pointed out, utcursch's solution would free up Deccan Plateau for possible expansion into a standalone article. Narky Blert (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. See also Talk:Deccan Plateau#Target of the redirect Deccan for an alternative proposal about the topic structure. – Uanfala (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep as it always has been (probably) There seems to be some wierd POV effort to redefine "Deccan" to cover the WHOLE of southern India, ie South India. The disam page has been changed to begin "Deccan means Southern part in ancient India, south of the Satpura and Vindhya ranges. Deccan includes the east and west coasts and plains, the plateau and mountain ranges of the ancient Southern India." - a hugely contentious definition, and not very relevant to what most readers are looking for. A look at a google search shows that "Deccan Peninsula" may be defined this way, but is a term very largely restricted to geology and eco/biological sciences, and needs to be fully specified (ie "Deccan Peninsula" not just "Deccan"). Even in these uses, the definition seems to vary a lot, as to whether Tamil Nadu and Kerala are included. It is certainly not what people mean when talking about "the Deccan", even when dealing with ancient Indian history. Currently Deccan Peninsula redirects to the plateau, but there is a 3-line draft of an article (taking the same sort of definition quoted above). A section in Deccan Plateau, or a shortish article explaining the "Deccan Peninsula" concept would be useful. I don't at all mind moving "Deccan Plateau" to "Deccan" per se - there is probably a better case for moving to The Deccan - but not if that leaves User:Deccania to do a POV fork of South India at Deccan. People may find it instructive to look at his edit history - there isn't much of it, beginning on 1st December with arguing about redirects etc on this topic. Johnbod (talk) 04:28, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • hmmm, thank you for bringing a good point about South India. If you look into history, Dakshinapatha was the oldest term used in Indian literature and the term meant beyond Vindhya etc mountains. Then after hundreds of years, we see the term Deccan used by the Muslims rulers which also meant the same as Dakshinapatha. However, the use of the term "South India (literally may mean Dakshinapatha)" by the British and most people from then has been limited to the linguistic family, differentiating Dravidian people from the Indo-Aryan Northern and Central Indian linguistic people. So presently or from the time of British, Deccan was never used interchangeably with South India because deccan always included both Dravidian and Indo-Aryan linguistic regions. I therefore think Deccan (Deccan Peninsula) has to be a separate article from Deccan Plateau and South India. Deccania (talk) 09:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • What it might have meant in north Indian languages over 1,000 years ago is beside the point. The definitions you have added at Deccan (disambiguation) and the peninsula draft include Tamil Nadu and Kerala, which may indeed be part of the "Deccan Peninsula" in certain scientific usages, but not part of "the Deccan" in normal use in English. Johnbod (talk) 13:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=qh8UAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA167&dq=deccan+daksina&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWipuj5-nXAhUBUGMKHUCXA9QQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=deccan%20daksina&f=false
  2. ^ Gupta, Harsh K. (2000). Deccan Heritage. Universities Press. ISBN 9788173712852.
        • Here is the usage per some dictionaries, leaving aside oldest or true or sensible (seems like some dictionaries are using the sensible meaning) meaning of Deccan being South and so the entire peninsular India. In addition, I have already mentioned about the difference between a plateau and a peninsula. Geographically Deccan consists of Deccan Traps, Deccan Plateau, Deccan Peninsula, Eastern Ghats, Western Ghats, and the Coastal Plains, etc.

According to www.collinsdictionary.com: Deccan in British, noun, the Deccan (two meanings) 1. a plateau in S India, between the Eastern Ghats, the Western Ghats, and the Narmada River 2. the whole Indian peninsula south of the Narmada River According to www.ahdictionary.com (two meanings) A plateau of south-central India between the Eastern Ghats and the Western Ghats. The name is also used for the entire Indian peninsula south of the Narmada River. According to en.oxforddictionaries.com (only one meaning) A triangular plateau in southern India, bounded by the Malabar Coast in the west, the Coromandel Coast in the east, and the Vindhaya mountains in the north. According to www.merriam-webster.com (only one meaning) plateau region of south central India lying between the Eastern Ghats and the Western Ghats

Note, Deccan is used differently by different people, it may mean so many things for Historian, another thing for a Geographer, another thing for a Politician, another thing for a Teacher, another thing for a Poet, another thing for a truth-seeker, another thing for a Linguist, another thing for a debater.

Some maps: https://dome.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.3/20028/109528_cp.jpg http://www.deccanplateau.net/images/Deccan%20Plateau%20map1.jpg https://www.mapsofindia.com/history/deccan-sultanates-map.jpg Deccania (talk) 00:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly - the first 2 (I can't access the third) show the Deccan Plateau area. Johnbod (talk) 03:45, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong Keep as it has been since 13 April 2006, when Chezhiyan moved page Deccan to Deccan Plateau over redirect (This page is moved for clarification. "Deccan" means "Deccan Plateau".)
The idea that we might disambiguate this is a nonstarter, as there is no credible alternative primary topic for this. The lengthy Deccan (disambiguation) is filled with partial title matches, but no exact matches other than the former name of an airline whose name is surely derived from the plateau or region. As for the possibility of Deccan Peninsula, we have nothing more than an attempt by the now-blocked sock puppet Deccania to define yet another geographical subset of the Indian subcontinent. The distinction between "Deccan Peninsula" and Indian Peninsula, better known as the Indian subcontinent, escapes me. I suppose there might be some arbitrary judgement about where to place the northern border of this peninsula. As to whether it's simply called "Deccan" or "the Deccan", that strikes me as a British/European thing, like "the Thames", but that's actually at River Thames. Plateau Deccan? Hindi, kannada, tamil and telugu all have titles that Google translates to "Deccan Plateau". Most of the plateaus in Template:Plateaus of India have "Plateau" in their title. Now the German wiki actually has it at simply Dekkan, with a more specific article at Dekkan-Plateau, but the length of the latter suggests it could simply be merged into the former. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Greg Harvey (born 1954)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible redirect. Greg Harvey is Larry Duplechan's partner/husband, but he has no notability claim in his own right to support his own standalone article -- and no reason why anybody would ever actually search for him as an independent topic. Apart from a recursive link in Duplechan's article (which is entirely pointless, since anybody who clicked on it would just get sent right back to the same article they'd tried to click from), the only other link was from a dab page, and even there he was just listed as "Larry Duplechan's partner" rather than any descriptor that suggests an independent notability claim or a reason why anybody would be looking for him here. This is simply unnecessary: we're an encyclopedia of notable people, not just a directory of everybody who exists, so we do not routinely create redirects from the names of notable people's non-notable relatives as a matter of course. Bearcat (talk) 06:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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女性[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a dictionary word for "woman" in multiple languages redirecting to a genre of comic for which it is a WP:PTM in one of those languages. I'd prefer for this to be deleted as not having any natural target on English Wikipedia. If there's no consensus for that, then it should be a {{Chinese title disambiguation}} page for Women in China, Women in Japan, Women in North Korea, Women in South Korea, etc. (all the societies which use this as their word for "women"). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 04:58, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Spelljammer crystal spheres[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, there is no such list in the article, nor should there be one per WP:FANCRUFT. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 04:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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1868–69 College of New Jersey Tigers men's soccer team[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 06:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Confusing redirect. The current target article is about American (Gridiron) football, not association football. Sro23 (talk) 02:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sorry, I took the easy way out and blanked it. I didn't know there was a special AfD for redirects. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 02:47, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - The article was originally a redirect to the football team's article, because they shared early records, and it seemed redundant to have separate articles. Quidster4040 (talk) 04:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't two teams that shared records, there is only one team, and for mainly historical reasons, it is classified as American football, not soccer. So any wikilink to the soccer name article from soccer pages would redirect to the American football team, which is confusing. So the article should be deleted, not redirected. As I mentioned elsewhere, the listing of Princeton's American football teams on the soccer college championships navbox is the source of the problem. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 18:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, also no information about the soccer team from that time. The team that plays American football is more notable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:PASSWORD[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:User account security. Killiondude (talk) 06:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Password strength requirements, which discusses passwords specifically, is a more sensible target for this shortcut. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 02:39, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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