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December 1[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 1, 2016.

Buzzard (internet celebrity)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 19:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect makes no sense to me. If anyone can find a use for it, then I'll gladly go along. — Gorthian (talk) 22:56, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Burj, -al[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 14#Burj, -al

BEc[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Bachelor of Economics. I also added a hatnote at the target per Thryduulf's suggestion. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:07, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find this abbreviation on the target page, and have no idea what it might stand for. The combination of upper- and lower-case letters makes it an unlikely search term. Delete to free up any searches. — Gorthian (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Awan(Qutb Shah[edit]

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The result of the discussion was move without redirect to Awan (Qutb Shah). -- Tavix (talk) 04:23, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely mess of a single parenthesis and no space is not going to help any searchers. Delete. I like Thryduulf's solution below. — Gorthian (talk) 22:42, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move without redirect to Awan (Qutb Shah). This was originally created in good faith as an article in 2009 but a couple of days later was found to duplicate an existing article so the correctly spaced and punctuated title seems like it should exist. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Elder Scrolls skill redirects[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete all. JohnCD (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No longer mentioned in the target article. Anyone searching for this particular term will be disappointed in the non-answer. Delete. — Gorthian (talk) 22:39, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The original redirect nominated in this section was Athletics (Elder Scrolls) by Gorthian. I nominated the rest and merged them into this discussion afterwards. All of these redirects are skills used in the The Elder Scrolls universe that are not identified or mentioned at their target page, and since they are in-game subjects that are not notable for inclusion, should be deleted per WP:NOTWIKIA. Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all (Added by – Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)) per WP:NOTWIKIA. In fact, I'd say that most, if not all, skill-based subjects in the The Elder Scrolls universe fail WP:NOTWIKIA, so I might search for them later. (...And, on a related note, I'm probably going to play The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim later today.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Gorthian: In fact, I just found a whole bunch of redirects that should be bundled with this one. Is it okay if I bundle them with this nomination? Steel1943 (talk) 22:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Bundle away! But I see you're already adding a bunch. — Gorthian (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Gorthian: Yeah, haha. I was going to add them regardless, but it's good to know that I can bundle it here since your rationale applies to all of these! Steel1943 (talk) 23:06, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. These redirects are all obviously a bit on the pointless side. The skill system as a whole could be described in a gameplay section, but it's unlikely individual skills would be mentioned on the target page, as MOS:VG discourages that kind of intricate detail. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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1979 (number)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 12#1979 (number)

February 18, 1979[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 19:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:XY. Could target February 18 or 1979. Steel1943 (talk) 21:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The date does have some significance, but of course that's all relative. -- Tavix (talk) 22:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
An incomplete list of what happened that day
  • Comment Here's what I found that happened on that day (among others):
The only recorded instance of snow in the Sahara desert (according to the history of the redirect)
The Bangladeshi general election, 1979
The 1979 Daytona 500
Antiques Roadshow debuted
The CG-1432 Crash
The On Language column of the New York Times Magazine debuted
The final day of the 1979 Congoleum Classic
The final day of the 1979 Avon Championships of Los Angeles
Viktor Gruzenkin broke the world record in the Men's heptathlon
New York (state) recorded a record low temperature
The Boone-Murphy House was added to the NRHP -- Tavix (talk) 22:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:CSDG[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#General. -- Tavix (talk) 23:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#General. Follows suit with WP:CSDA, WP:CSDR, etc. Only ~25 links currently exist to this title. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 08:07, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I felt that we should notify Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Chemistry/Structure drawing for further input so I've done so and relisted this.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 15:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom, after fixing the current links of course. Not sure why "CSDG" is an initialism for the current target, and as I said in a recent discussion it's better for shortcuts to speedy criteria to be consistent across the categories. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:03, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom and Ivanvector. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Putin 2.0[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Patar knight's findings, unchallenged in over two weeks, seem to answer the objections raised by CoffeeWithMarkets and AngusWOOF and disprove the assumption in the nomination that the term is unlikely to be used. Thryduulf (talk) 13:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't seem like a likely way of referring to a politician's second administration, or for Putin himself. --BDD (talk) 22:08, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 11:56, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Cooking bananas[edit]

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The result of the discussion was as a result of a follow-up discussion to a requested move, consensus has emerged to move cooking plantain to cooking banana. The consensus that developed here is that there should be a disambiguation page, which is in the process of being set up at plantain (and is reflected in the aforementioned discussion). -- Tavix (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These were recently created and even more recently added to the lead of the "cooking" plantain article. These could seemingly equally refer generally to edible bananas depending on which source you look at. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

If you look at the bottom of the "Cooking plantain" talk page, it describes an effort to differentiate between plantains (AAB group) and cooking bananas (ABB group). But it looks like the term always excludes dessert bananas. --Bod (talk) 05:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Bodhi Peace: Take a look at this, it's not the greatest source, but it differentiates by stating "cooking bananas and plantains". — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:04, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Thanks Si Trew.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:13, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename main article to Plantain and organize from there. Article is a mess right now. It should be one Plantain article and then have the classifications explained like the Banana article. Cooking plantain then goes to the section pertaining to that classification. Cooking banana goes to the subsection in banana. If a subsection needs its own article, then create a clearer disambiguator like Plantain (AAB group) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:51, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd hold off on renaming/deleting the redirects until the editors get their act together. As it stands the plantain articles (true and cooking) even share the same picture. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:43, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@AngusWOOF: In UK, the WP:PRIMARY meaning of "plantain" is Plantago; except in communities with Caribbean heritage, in which it is what is currently titled cooking plantain. Narky Blert (talk) 16:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, basically per AngusWOOF. I'm not thrilled with that RM, but in light of it, just changing these redirects seems harmful. --BDD (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 11:56, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support disambiguate per AngusWOOF. Two (or more?) WP:PRIMARY meanings = readers best served by a DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 02:07, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguation is much better than the status quo.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Elizabeth Trump[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This name is most commonly used to refer to Donald's sister, whom we don't have an article about. Elizabeth Christ Trump is always referred to by her full name. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 09:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. If Elizabeth Trump is mentioned in an article, perhaps the redirect can point to that article.--Nowa (talk) 12:31, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Not even worth a hatnote, in my opinion. There's exactly one mention of Trump's sister in his article, and it's only to give her name. Other instances of "Elizabeth" in the article refer to this one. I don't doubt that she's more commonly referred to with her maiden/middle name, but the article does use the shorter form ("Elizabeth Trump was born as Elisabeth Christ..."). It doesn't look like Trump's sister is notable, and she isn't even mentioned at Family of Donald Trump. --BDD (talk) 17:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's much better to redirect to a notable person than one who's barely mentioned. Please don't forget about WP:RECENTISM. -- Tavix (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Ṣrimati[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 13:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

See previous RfD at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 October 3#Ṣrimati, where User:Tavix nominated this Neelix redirect and it was closed as retarget. I've re-rcatted it as {{R from other language|sr}}, but really it has no affinity to Serbian or Bosnian and is not at the target: Delete as WP:RFD#D2 confusing, WP:RFD#D8 foreign.

I note that Srimati also redirects to the same target, was also created by Neelix at the same time, and is not rcatted as anything right now. Really, that one should probably have been included in the original discussion: it was retarget (from Mrs. to Shrimati) way back in 2011 and so is not a "Neelix redirect" in the sense of WP:X1 etc. Si Trew (talk) 04:30, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Shrimati is a Sanskrit word, whose standard romanisation is Śrimatī, so Śrimati makes sense (although it lacks the macron over the last letter). The spelling with sh for ś makes sense too as it's a common way to represent that sound, and s (in Srimati) is how this is pronounced in a fair number of Indo-Aryan languages. ṣ on the other hand stands for a different Sanskrit sound which does not occur in this word and is otherwise rare in the modern IA languages. Ṣrimati can't be found in sources and I can't imagine a user going to the trouble of putting underdots in the wrong places when typing in the searchbox, so that's a clear delete. – Uanfala (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To make clear: I'm not proposing deletion (or anything else) for those in the basic Latin alphabet, only the one with the diacritics. Thanks for the explanation: Gtrans reports it as Bosnian, and I could see that it would be thus written (just as in Hungarian, if magyarised it would probably be just "srimati" because the letter "s" in Hungarian sounds like the digraph "sh" usually does in English, and the other vowels probably would be fine as they are). Si Trew (talk) 04:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Uanfala. I thought about closing this, but decided against it. I'm technically involved by being the one to originally nominate it. -- Tavix (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Native black thorn[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 12#Native black thorn

PooPoo[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Poo poo. JohnCD (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Neelix) Retarget to the DAB at Poo poo. This character is mentioned once simply by name at the target with the person playing it, and therefore is rather WP:RFD#D2 confusing, I think. I imagine this was created not with any idea that it made sense, but from a scatalogical enumeration and finding that one variant just happened to be used in one article. That information can be found via a search. Retarget to the DAB at Poo poo and fix up the link there to refer straight to the section in the target. Si Trew (talk) 03:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget per nom. That dab page has all the spelling variants. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Poo-poo (call)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 19:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I think, per WP:XY. (Neelix.) I can't believe this is the only bird whose call can be described as "poo-poo". According to WP, the Amethyst brown dove calls "poo-poo-pooh" and the Serendib scops owl calls "poo-ooo". Si Trew (talk) 03:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. The parenthetical "(call)" is misleading and unnecessary. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 20:26, 1 December 2016 (UTC) Post script: the Laurel pigeon article also says that the bird makes a "pu-pu-pooo" sound. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 08:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Mulberrycoloured[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted. SimonTrew, WP:X1 is still in effect. -- Tavix (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Neelix) Is WP:X1 still in force? Delete all of these. From User:Anomie/Neelix_list/6#To be checked. Si Trew (talk) 03:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Motherly[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 12#Motherly

Acraa[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to the disambiguation page at Acra, where the alternate suggestion Accra is listed. Thryduulf (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Neelix redirect). As the target notes, this is "{{hatnote|Not to be confused with [[Acra (disambiguation)|Acra]], [[Accra]], [[Akra (disambiguation)|Akra]], [[Åkra (disambiguation)|Åkra]], or [[Aqra (disambiguation)|other Aqras]].}}" Leaving aside the questionable wisdom of piping disambiguation pages in hatnotes, I am wondering whether this is so blatantly WP:XY that we shouldn't just delete it. An alternative would be to turn it into a disambiguation page listing all the other disambiguation pages, but I'm not sure that's such a brilliant idea. Perhaps retarget to the DAB at Acra as {{R from other spelling}}, {{R from ambiguous page}}? That seems to list most if not all of those mentioned in the hatnote. Si Trew (talk) 03:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: The target title was Mount Aqraa at the time the redirect was made, so "Acraa" seems reasonable for that, but of course no longer applies. I can't decide. Maybe retarget it to Accra, since that's exactly the kind of dyslexic mistake I'd make during a search. But you're right about WP:XY. Given all the separate dabs there are for all the separate spellings, even pointing it at Acra still seems like WP:XY. — Gorthian (talk) 03:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Si Trew, I also wanted to note that you seem to have a doppelgänger: the editor that wanted to move the article sounds eerily like you: humorous, long-winded, erudite. Go read it, if you haven't already.— Gorthian (talk) 03:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't erudite some kind of glue? I shall try to write more Taciturnly. Si Trew (talk) 04:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Trump sex[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vague redirect from partial title match, I doubt this is plausible at all for any topic for it can possibly refer to multiple topics. Whatever the reader is looking for, they will find it by search results. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Vague. I'm intrigued about the implications for euchre night .... Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:05, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. LOL. Is this his newest product? Nice sideline to the casino and "University". wbm1058 (talk) 04:30, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Google Turkey[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per consensus below and WP:CSD#G7. @SimonTrew: U1 is not applicable because this redirect is in mainspace; G4 is not applicable because the redirect was created before the previous RfD. Sometimes though we allow G6 when an XfD result necessitates deletion of another page not explicitly nominated. Deryck C. 10:47, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per precedent at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 22#Google Spain. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is fine to delete it. --Frmorrison (talk) 14:56, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Castro regime[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 12#Castro regime

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