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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 7, 2014.

List of World War II aces from Czechia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted. G8: target deleted (per A10); also created as part of a POV-pushing campaign. The Bushranger One ping only 02:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

non-existant country The Banner talk 22:46, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Chief Ministers of Sarawak/version 2[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. (Non-admin closure) — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 20:37, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely search term, and no links to it from other articles. It had some edit history to it, but that has since been merged into the main article. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 20:08, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Playground (Lindsay Lohan song)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as this is not mentioned in the article. The song's mentioned in two other articles - Pharrell Williams production discography and Wild Child (film) - but leaving it to search results would be better as it would find both, and apart from the current target there's no article that this title clearly belongs to. Peter James (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. I was thinking it would make sense to retarget to Wild Child (film)#Soundtrack, but the song wasn't actually on the soundtrack. I don't really know where the song comes from; it's not on Allmusic. --BDD (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: there is no appropriate target right now. Probably WP:RED applies (didn't look for sources). — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: nominator's reasoning makes sense.
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Yugoslavian language[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 10:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget or disambiguation w/ mentioning also Macedonian and Slovenian Lumi (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was Serbo-Croato-Slovene, and in 1945-1990 Yugoslavia it was SC, Slovene and Macedonian. Not SC only. --Lumi (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was "Serbo-Croato-Slovene" in Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (1918–1929); when the Kingdom changed its name to Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the language was renamed into Yugoslavian (1929–1944). I don't think the topic of languages in Yugoslavia requires disambiguation, but if consensus is that it does, such page may be created; in this case hatnote should be left in Serbo-Croatian article. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 15:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with you, we should mention also Slovene and Macedonian. We should make consenzus here for sure. --Lumi (talk) 01:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I added a hatnote to Serbo-Croatian and tagged redirect with {{R from historic name}}. I think this is it. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Now looks fine. Thanks. --Lumi (talk) 10:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For the record: hatnote was removed. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 16:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yugoslavian currently redirects to Yugoslavia, and would be another issue. And while Slovene and Macedonian were never called Yugoslavian (the noun), they were referred to as Yugoslavian languages (Yugoslavian being an adjective, as well). Sometimes they still are, though "former Yugoslavian language" or "ex-Yugoslavian language" seem more common. Agyle (talk) 08:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree if discussion was about Language of Yugoslavia, but titles "[Country name]ian language" normally refer to the language name, not the list of languages. As an example, Russian language is an article about the Russian language, and it does not have hatnotes about other official languages of Russia (compare Article 68 of Constitution of Russia to Article 42 of Constitution of Yugoslavia). Disambiguation could be appropriate if Yugoslavian language would not exist, eg. like in case with American language or Canadian language, although page Soviet language does not exist, and Israeli language redirects to Hebrew (Arabic is also official in Israel and Yiddish exists), so even for demonym-based titles this scheme does not apply consistently. But Yugoslavian is rightful alias to Serbo-Croatian. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 09:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are multiple meanings for the term; many reliable sources say that there is or was no Yugoslavian language, or "true" Yugoslavian language. Others use it as a synonym for Serbo-Croat. Others use it to describe Serbo-Croat, Slovene, and Macedonian, and still others to what are more often distinguished as dialects of those languages (e.g., Serbian language, Croatian language). A variety of examples:
  • Gevinson, Alan (1997). Within Our Gates: Ethnicity in American Feature Films, 1911-1960. University of California Press. p. 605. ISBN 978-0-520-20964-0. ...NYT reviews note that this is the first release in the U.S. of a film in the Yugoslavian language... (In reference to Ijubav I Strast, listed as a "Croatian language" film).
  • Jordan, Peter; Orožen Adamič, Milan; Woodman, Paul (2007). Exonyms and the International Standardisation of Geographical Names: Approaches Towards the Resolution of an Apparent Contradiction. LIT Verlag Münster. p. 139. ISBN 978-3-8258-0035-2. A Yugoslavian nationality never existed, and there was never a Yugoslavian language, nor a Yugoslavian culture.
  • Anderman, Gunilla; Rogers, Margaret (1999). Word, Text, Translation: Liber Amicorum for Peter Newmark. Multilingual Matters. p. 217. ISBN 978-1-85359-460-1. ...the three main ethnic groups in the city, Serbs, Croats, and Moslems, all speak Serbo-Croat, the most widely used Yugoslavian language.
  • Norris, Kenneth S.; Wursig, Bernd; Wells, Randall S (1994). The Hawaiian Spinner Dolphin. University of California Press. p. 161. ISBN 978-0-520-91354-7. This meant typifying sound types and how fre- 6. Note that there is no true Yugoslavian language, only Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian and so on.
  • Maher, Charles A; Zins, Joseph; Elias, Maurice (2014). Bullying, Victimization, and Peer Harassment: A Handbook of Prevention and Intervention. Routledge. p. 188quote=Forty-seven percent spoke a language other than German at home—34 percent of the students spoke a former Yugoslavian language (e.g., Croatian or Serbian)... ISBN 978-1-317-78722-8.
  • Blom, Gunilla (1992). Minority languages - the Scandinavian experience: papers read at the conference in Edinburgh 9 - 11 November 1990. Nordic Language Secretariat. p. 17. ISBN 978-82-7433-002-3. In order to underline its character as a specifically Yugoslavian language, the standard variety of Macedonian has been based on those dialects which are most unlike Bulgarian...
  • Municio, Ingegerd (1981). Split-report: family and position in the Swedish society. LiberFörl. p. 298. ISBN 978-91-38-06753-6. In this way, a text written in Slovene is not intended only for Slovenian children hut also for all the other Yugoslavian children in Sweden; conversely, a text written in some other Yugoslavian language is intended also for the Slovenian children...
  • Journal of Croatian Studies. Croatian Academy of America. 1961. p. 4. There is no Yugoslavian language either, just as there is no Swiss language.
  • Chevrel, Yves (1995). Comparative literature today: methods & perspectives. T. Jefferson University Press. p. 10. ISBN 978-0-943549-24-8. Similarly, there may not be a Yugoslavian language per se, but the inhabitants of the republics where the languages of literature are Croatian, Macedonian, Serbian, and Slovenian...
Following your example of American language, where multiple languages that could be meant, one might write:
Yugoslavian language or Yugoslavian languages may refer to:
  • Serbo-Croatian, the primary language of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro, officially called Yugoslavian from 1929 to 1945 by the Kingdom of Yugoslavia
  • Serbian language, a variety of Serbo-Croatian used mainly by Serbs in Serbia, Montenegro, and Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Croatian language, a variety of Serbo-Croatian used mainly by Croats, principally in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Serbian province of Vojvodina and other neighbouring countries
  • Slovene language, a language spoken mainly by people living in Slovenia
  • Macedonian language, a language spoken mainly in the Republic of Macedonia and by the Macedonian diaspora
See also:
Agyle (talk) 19:17, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So you present an evidence that majority of sources speak of Yugoslavian language as alias for Serbo-Croatian and conclude that it should be treated as toponym-based similar to "American language", which is not a language in any sence? I am afraid I don't follow your logic. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I listed reliable sources that use "Yugoslavian language" in reference to several different languages. Agyle (talk) 23:19, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Agyle: I drafted DAB on redirect page. I tried hard to avoid "spoken by" or "spoken in", because in this particular case it is very far from neutral in my opinion. Please, oversee and either approve or criticize, so that this discussion could be finally closed. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 08:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate: apparently both articles were wrong, and even officially the language wasn't called Yugoslavian. If so, disambiguating it between Serbo-Croato-Slovene, Serbo-Croatian, Macedonian, Slovene and language standard variaties of SC (Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian). — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't delete. The phrase gets tons of Google hits, whether things like this popular page (someone's confused here) or this (apparently) scholarly book. Whether we keep it as is, or whether we retarget it, I don't care, but since plenty of people think this is a real language, we need to be able to tell them "No it doesn't, but here's what the situation really is". Nyttend (talk) 22:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Serbian Cyrillic language[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. JohnCD (talk) 17:48, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like deletion, because it's not known as language, and probably unlikely search term. Lumi (talk) 11:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: this is likely search term, because in various operating systems the language selectors include Serbian Latin and Serbian Cyrillic, so one can conclude that "Serbian Cyrillic" is yet another dialect of Serbo-Croatian language. Given that every dialect of Serbo-Croatian is called "language" these days, the search term appears reasonable. The target article helps with fixing this possible misconception. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 12:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, dialects are dialects, and languages are languages. Everybody know that dialects are Shtokavian, Eastern Herzegovinian etc., and they are not called language. Same for Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian, they are considered languages, not dialects. And Serbian Cyrillic is not language, nor dialect. Cyrillic is known as wiriting script (letters). Redirect should be deleted. --Lumi (talk) 13:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but your claim about Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is opinionated: their status is subject to long-running argument, and I would ask you to avoid engaging me into discussion about the one true position in this argument. A language is a dialect with an army and navy. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This exists because of {{Lang-sr-Cyrl}} links to it, it can't be deleted trivially without adjusting that, and the language templates have some sort of a logic that caused the redirect to be created. I fail to see why this came to the chopping block, because it's entirely innocuous... --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I figured it out - the user account which nominated this appears to be a sockpuppet of a known abuser. *sigh* --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Moldavien[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Moldovan language. The default for redirects is to keep. This is a long-standing redirect, over 5 years old and the view of the commentators is that it is a plausible typo. Such redirects are only deleted if they are in some way harmful. WP:RFD#HARMFUL states "Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.". Conversely, deleting could be harmful due to breaking long-standing external links. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 12:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is in a language which is not official in the country mentioned in the article. Thus it should be deleted TheChampionMan1234 11:24, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Giappone[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is in a language which is not official in the country mentioned in the article. Thus it should be deleted. TheChampionMan1234 11:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Republic of Japan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep per consensus as potentially useful. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 02:43, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Japan isn't even a republic. TheChampionMan1234 11:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep: not an unlikely search term though. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:01, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Maybe I'm an idiot, but the Japanese people elect a group of people who then govern the country. Isn't that exactly what a republic is? Ego White Tray (talk) 20:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Japan is a constitutional monarchy as is the UK who also "elect a group of people who then govern the country". :-) The Whispering Wind (talk) 23:43, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And a constitutional monarchy is also known as a crowned republic. In every way that matters, Japan is a republic - the presence of a ceremonial Emperor with not governing powers doesn't change that. Ego White Tray (talk) 05:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Monarchy and republic are two (mutually exclusive) forms of government. The system where "people elect a group of people who then govern the country" is called democracy. "Constitutional monarchy" is strict subset of "monarchy" with no intersection with "republic". "Crowned republic" is a [very misleading] wording from the historical context of downfall of monarchies; it only serves descriptive purpose and does not make "constitutional monarchy" a subset of "republic". — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 08:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Not harmful. It can be marginally helpful: if you think Japan's a republic and type in this target, you'll quickly learn that you were wrong. Deletion would prevent you from learning this. Nyttend (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Giapan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is in a language which is not official in the country mentioned in the article. Thus it should be deleted TheChampionMan1234 11:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Jography[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. The default for redirects is to keep. This is a long-standing redirect, over 6 years old and the view of the commentators is that it is a plausible typo. Such redirects are only deleted if they are in some way harmful. WP:RFD#HARMFUL states "Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.". Conversely, deleting could be harmful due to breaking long-standing external links. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Screaming shits[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RFD#DELETE #8 and an unlikely search term. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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