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February 10[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 10, 2012

PC vs. Mac[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Retarget to Operating system advocacy, links to all posible targets.--Salix (talk): 22:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added similar redirects to nomination. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 11:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect page should be deleted for obvious reasons. Typing in PC vs. Mac redirects a user to the "Get a Mac" commercial page. Wikipedia is no place for "versus" pages, and that includes redirects. Apage titled PC vs. Mac is invalid for Wikipedia, as it is not something you can give information about. It may also confuse people and may lead them to believe Wikipedia is biased. Please delete this redirect page. OwnedU2Fast (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirects do not have to comply with the NPOV policy. Having said that, the history behind this redirect shows that the page was originally a screed against the bias in the Mac commercials. It was poorly titled for that purpose. It was nominated for speedy-deletion in 2007 but probably did not fit any of the criteria. The content was overwritten with the redirect when the page should have been sent to AfD. I concur that the current situation creates a redirect that is actively confusing to readers. Delete. Rossami (talk) 22:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Comparison of operating systems or Operating system advocacy. The latter may be even better, given that the query like that would be related to some advocacy-related content. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 23:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment don't forget Mac vs. PC , Mac & PC , PC & Mac ... the latter two might just retarget to Personal computer instead... 70.24.247.54 (talk) 05:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: The history behind the added redirect names is not as problematic as the first one. I'm not sure that either of the two proposed targets are perfect but I have no strong objection to retargeting either. Rossami (talk) 12:05, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep People commonly refer to the Get a Mac campaign by Mac vs. PC. Both of them are being heavily used so I don't think it would be wise to delete them because it would likely result in a duplicate article. Tideflat (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • "'Comment"' However, if you look at the history for "PC vs. Mac" you will find that the person who created the redirect was indeed a Mac fanboy, with biased intentions. People will criticize Wikipedia for bias. We wouldn't make a "Burger King vs. McDonald's" page redirect to "Burger King" right? We wouldn't even have the "versus" page to begin with because that is opinionated and has no place in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OwnedU2Fast (talk • contribs) 14:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Then retargeting these redirects to Operating system advocacy would be a good choice, as the page links to Get a Mac article but still is neutral regarding OwnedU2Fast's concerns. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 14:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Operating system advocacy. per Dmitrij D. Czarkoff.--Lenticel (talk) 00:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate to comparison of operating systems and to operating system advocacy with get a Mac as a specific example of the latter. Bwrs (talk) 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do something :-) I do not like the way it is now. But I do not have strong feelings if they should be deleted or re-redirected. --MGA73 (talk) 15:48, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Template:Wikicommons[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Delete virtually unused, see comment on transclusion counts below. Confusing for bots and people.--Salix (talk): 10:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unused redirect to {{Commons category}}. It will make it easier to maintain bots if this and similar redirects are orphaned and deleted. See Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_27#Template:Commonsme and 2 next discussions for similar deletion request that was closed as delete. MGA73 (talk) 20:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: such (template: to template:) redirects end up causing problems for bots and closers of XfD discussions. Now we have a chance to remove several painlessly. Don't see a reason not to use this opportunity. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 23:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Joined several similar nominations. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep some "Wikicommons" "Wikimedia Commons" "Commonscategory" "CommonsCat" are all reasonable for editors of Wikipedia to use. Bots can be programmed to take these into account. 70.24.247.54 (talk) 05:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
New editors will most likely copy the template/name from another category or article instead of guessing what the name may be. "Old" editors will either know the name of the template or it will only take them 5 seconds to look up the right name. So I doubt anyone will miss the redirects.
If en-wiki has a category of an article with a redirect and a user copy the category/article to another wiki to translate then there will be a red link on that other wiki or they will need the same redirect on xx-wiki.
So I still think it would make things much easier if we delete the redirects and use the correct template and one or tro well known redirect names. --MGA73 (talk) 08:41, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would also note, that target names are more intuitive then those of redirects'. Though any name is OK to use for template, I just fail to see a rationale to have several for one template. (With rare exceptions of shortcuts to maintenance tags like {{cn}} for {{citation needed}}, {{primary}} for {{primary sources}} and several similar.) — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 11:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete some "Pic" "Sisterlinkswp " are highly misleading. 70.24.247.54 (talk) 05:46, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I am the creator of some of these, such as Commonscat. There is no benefit to having multiple unused redirects to these templates, and it greatly increases the complexity and impact of bots that deal with the topic. – Quadell (talk) 13:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I strongly agree with MGA73. If en-wiki has a category of an article with a multiple unused redirect, other wiki or they will need the same redirect on their wiki. These unused redirects increase the complexity and inconvenience.--777sms (talk) 01:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. These redirects are confusing at best. Multichill (talk) 20:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment transclusions count: Template:Wikicommons - 3

Template:Commonscategory - 0 Template:Wikimedia Commons - 1 Template:Sisterlinkswp - 3 Template:Pic - 1 Template:Commonstiny - 1 Template:Commonspiped - 1 Template:Commonspar - 1 Template:Commonsimages - 0 Template:Commons-gallery- 3 Template:CommonsCat - 0 Template:Commoncat - 5--Salix (talk): 10:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
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