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March 8

How do I change the name of this page?

I mistakenley named this page draft: Louis Sandoval

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Louis_Sandoval

It should read Louis (Lou) Sandoval. How do I make that change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tenacity4life (talk • contribs) 04:21, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tenacity4life: You will probably have to explain why you want a diminutive of Sandoval's first name in parentheses. Policy is to title an article of a subject by its most common name. If the title is already taken, it will be disambiguated by the reviewer should the draft be accepted. Feel free to leave a comment on the draft's talk page (Draft talk:Louis Sandoval) explaining your rationale. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I added the dimunitive in the body, so that may suffice. Tenacity4life (talk) 05:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tenacity4life: The title (pagename) of the article should be the subject's commonname. I.e. 'Lou' if that is what he's most commonly known as and / or how most sources refer to him, or 'Louis' if more applicable. The 'boldname' should be the sunject's fullname without any diminutive or hypocorism and where a nickname *is* included it would go within quotes (which themselves would go outside bold) and not within parenthesis. I.e. '''Louis''' "'''Lou'''" '''Sandoval''' would be the markup which renders as Louis "Lou" Sandoval, but any diminutive of a given name should not be included; an example of this can be seen at Bill Clinton. See MOS:NICK for more information. Eagleash (talk) 05:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Probable typo: sunject → subject. --CiaPan (talk) 13:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@CiaPan: Yes, saw it just too late and didn't get around to changing it; fairly obvious what was meant I'd say... Eagleash (talk) 14:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

How to know if a page existed?

Hello, I’m told there was a page for the Forest and Stream Club in Montreal and that it has apparently been deleted repeatedly. How can I confirm and resolve?

Thank you

Montrealer5000Montrealer5000 (talk) 07:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

You can check the deletion log: Special:Log/delete gives you a form where you can input a page to check the deletion log. A deletion log looks like this. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 07:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Montrealer5000: I can find no sign of such a page at the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

How to filter revisions by tag filter

I reverted some of my edits. However, when checking my contributions, when I input Reverted in the tag filter box, it says "No changes were found matching these criteria." Why? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 07:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Try mw-reverted. See the first column at Special:Tags. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 07:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Coordinates on Wikidata but not on Wikipedia?

On Kestel, I wanted to add missing coords, than saw that Wikidata already has them. Shouldn't the data migrate to WP automatically?

trespassers william (talk) 10:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata isn't a reliable source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @trespassers william, they should but they don't. The Wiki-project is incomplete and always will be. There are many things in Wikidate that should be automated and moved to WP. Dutchy45 (talk) 12:23, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dutchy45, you mean the migration depends on manual (and bot-assisted) edits ? Why?? trespassers william (talk) 14:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@trespassers william, because of limitations on bots and because there are not enough editors capable of, or interested in, creating those bots. If you are capable and interested...have at it! Your edit count and impact on WP will skyrocket. Dutchy45 (talk) 14:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

The Wikidata item has no reference for the coordinates, and the map provided is essentially blank in the purported area of the tin mine. Why should we believe it? Jc3s5h (talk) 14:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Danny lost: You can add {{WikidataCoord}} to a Wikipedia article to display the coordinates listed in Wikidata. However, the lack of a reference is still an issue. GoingBatty (talk) 15:02, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the template. Regarding Kestel, the coords are also a bit off, as seen on OSM topo. The locations at vici.org (that have WD statements) have better data. I am trying to find a definite ref from the excavators. trespassers william (talk) 17:21, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

how to link to older revision

Hi guys,
For a discussion over a requested move, I would like to give a link to an older revision in the history of another article. How do I do this? Dutchy45 (talk) 12:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

See Help:Permanent link for different ways to do it. {{Oldid2}} looks to be the easiest way. ColinFine (talk) 12:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Dutchy45 (talk) 13:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

List of my GAN fails

Is there a way I can get a listing of articles of my failed GANs? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think we keep a list like this, but xtools keeps a list of all talk pages you've edited. You could then do a search for all the /GA pages. This wouldn't list which ones passed, and which ones failed, but it would be a start. I'm sure this could be done via a query on the contributions page, but I'm not sure how to do this.

The other way, is to check your talk page archives for the failed GA notifications. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I like the check your talk page archives for the failed GA notifications idea. That works for me.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Want to log in to old account

I set up 2FA some time ago and have forgotten my password. The login process asks me "Please enter a verification code from your authentication device." I have literally no idea what that means. I do remember that when I set up 2FA, I was given some "scratch codes" and miraculously I have found them. Can someone advise me how to get an "authentication device" to give me a "verification code"? Cheers --109.158.77.28 (talk) 15:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:2FA may have more information. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It had loads more information, but I'm still hopelessly confused, as it mostly deals with people setting up 2FA, not trying to access things again having long since forgotten how it all works. I downloaded the Win Authenticator. Can I use a 'scratch code' as the "verification code" to get into Wikipedia, or can I use a scratch code as a "Secret code" to get into Authenticator? It's confusing that none of the language seems to match. --109.158.77.28 (talk) 16:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not a 2FA user, so I haven't done this before, but this help page section appears to give the most specific advice. Yes, you enter the scratch code where you'd usually enter your verification code. Once you're logged in, you'll need to turn off 2FA at Special:Manage_Two-factor_authentication. If you then want to re-enable 2FA and re-generate scratch codes, you can. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 16:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

You can simply take one of the scratch codes and enter it when it asks you for a verification code. Then immediately remove the 2FA in Preferences -> User profile -> 2-Factor authentication -> Manage (this will require another scratch code). They are called scratch codes, because each of them can only be used once! (So you can 'scratch them from the list' after use). —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Very helpful, thank you all. I'll try this later. --109.158.77.28 (talk) 16:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

where to post?

hello,
I want to rename a lot (possibly hundreds!) of article and category names per WP:TITLECON. But before I do that I feel I need consensus. Where and how do I do this? At WP:RM I can only add 1 article at a time. Obviously that's to cumbersome a process. While WP:RFC/STYLE leaves me with the problem of where to place the tag. (or if everywhere; again to cumbersome) Dutchy45 (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: Hi there! WP:RMPM gives some guidance on this. If you provide more details about the articles/categories you want to rename, we can hopefully provide a more detailed suggestion. GoingBatty (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll ping you here if I need a more detailed suggestion. Dutchy45 (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Why are the help desk people so against comedy?

But seriously, I mean, putting "we're not a comedy club, if you're not serious, take it elsewhere." I hate to break it to you, but we all happen to be humans here, and Wikipedia is not a business. Formality is great! But so is a little bit of humor. If you don't want to answer a funny request (and I assure you, you probably don't get 100 a day), you can scroll past. It is bothering truly nobody, and I think a single funny help desk request is fine, and if you decide to delete this comment, please at least tell me where "elsewhere" is? Although, this is an actual request, not a joke one. Telefocus (talk) 16:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Telefocus: The issue with having "joke questions" is that they can waste the time of editors who think it's a legit question. Wikipedia is also not a webhost. See WP:JOKE for what is and isn't acceptable humor. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Also, "elsewhere" would be something that is not Wikipedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf:Oh yeah I understand, I guess we should put up all humorous articles in AfD, and forget about me properly using the template, made so that people scroll past if they don't want a joke, after all, it's an encyclopedia! We should probably get rid of those pesky user and talk pages too... Telefocus (talk) 17:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Quick side note, the webhost link says nothing about no humor. Telefocus (talk) 17:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

IT does. "The focus of user pages should not be social networking or amusement" while it says userpages, it might as well apply to most of Wikipedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Telefocus: I never said anything about that. Humor is fine on Wikipedia in small amounts. It's not appropriate on the help desk where people are asking legitimate questions looking for legitimate answers. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: You just mentioned how "elsewhere" is anywhere other than Wikipedia, meaning that humor should not be on Wikipedia. Besides, you should know that User pages are definitely not the same thing as the Mainspace. Also, once again, the template exists for the very reason so those who are not looking for a joke have to read one. Telefocus (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to continue discussing with someone who thinks disruptive humor (which is what your posts were) is appropriate for Wikipedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Telefocus: Some legitimate discussions here end up having some humorous responses (and the occasional trouting of each other). Humor is in the eye of the beholder. I think it's possible for someone to post a humorous question, but I don't think this post and this post of yours are funny. GoingBatty (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I concur with GoingBatty that your posts were not funny whatsoever. In fact, they imply that your intent here is to disrupt Wikipedia (however humorous they may be intended). There are places where humor is appropriate, however the Help Desk is not one of them. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm so sorry neither of you found my joke funny, unfortunately, you do not get to decide what is funny and what is not. Disrupting Wikipedia would be vandalizing it, not adding a joke. I clearly do not intend to add another joke here due to the amount of attacks and emails I'm getting because I tried to brighten up the help desk. Telefocus (talk) 18:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Read WP:NOTHERE. If you only intend to try and be funny them you might as well go elsewhere. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Thank you very much for telling me I'm not welcome on Wikipedia. I was kind of considering retiring anyways because of the amount of aggression, threats, and targeted attacks you get when you ask people to reach a consensus on the talk page for certain articles. It feels like as soon as I created an account I fell into a pit of toxic waste. Hopefully you have better luck then me trying to edit Wikipedia, Telefocus (talk) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I like humor too — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7E:34B8:6600:841:97F8:6D9A:7807 (talk) 18:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:John R.Falck

Hi:

My Draft: John R. Falck was deleted after 5-6 months inactive. How can I have it re-instated and be able to submit a revised version addressing points raised by its reviewers. Thanks Jmcapdevj (talk) 18:26, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Jmcapdevj

@Jmcapdevj: Hi there! See WP:REFUND. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jmcapdevj: Follow the steps at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/G13 RudolfRed (talk) 18:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia down

This site says Wikipedia was down. And on my computer it was down. I'm curious why it was down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.131.228 (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It's working just fine for me. Might only be a localized outage. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It was down for me a couple hours ago. But it's (obviously) working now. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:04, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! I've have no problems today. You might get a better answer at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). GoingBatty (talk) 20:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Updating Title/URL

Hi - our organization, Association of Pediatric Hematology/Oncology Nurses recently changed the title of our journal from "Journal of Pediatric Oncology Nursing" to "Journal of Pediatric Hematology/Oncology Nursing". Can anyone help or direct how I can edit the URL and Title on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Pediatric_Oncology_Nursing — Preceding unsigned comment added by APHONteam (talk • contribs) 20:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@APHONteam: I don't doubt that the name changed, since I can see the link in the article goes to the new name, but is there any sort of announcement that was made to substantiate the date of the change? That could also source the change itself. Also, you'll have to change your editing name since it suggests an organization and shared use rather than a personal account. See WP:ORGNAME. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@APHONteam: After changing your username, you could post your request (with the source) on the article's talk page Talk:Journal of Pediatric Oncology Nursing with the {{edit request}} template. Another alternative is to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks for helping us keep Wikipedia up to date! GoingBatty (talk) 21:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk page thread subscriptions

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I have not been receiving any notifications from subscribed threads, not sure where to report it, not sure if it's on my end, IDK :P - FlightTime (open channel) 20:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@FlightTime: Hi there! To check if it's your end, you can review your notification preferences. Presuming that's set up properly, could you please give an example of subscribed thread where you didn't receive a notification? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@FlightTime: If this is about using the Reply tool, you're going to want to go to Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project and let the maintainers know in a new section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty and Tenryuu: This is embarrassing , I did get the two notifications for this thread. I do know I have been noticing for about a week that I wasn't getting anything, I can only guess, it was on my end in the form of Synaptic malfunctions. I'll see how it goes. Thank you both for your time. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Acount

Will my username and password work at Wikipedia's sister projects? Thank you. Marc Informalmarc1 (talk) 01:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Informalmarc1: Hello Marc! Yes they will (for the most part, there may be a few where it won't work but those are exceptions). See WP:SUL for more information on this. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

In essence, it's similar-ish to how if you have a google account, you automatically have a Docs account, Sheets account, and Youtube account (there's a high probability I'm getting this completely wrong but I think you get the general idea). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Informalmarc1 (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Informalmarc1: No problem! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Contributions list

There seems to be no way of streamlining the Contributions listing, as one can with Watchlist. It would be nice to just see my latest edits (not necessarily current versions) on articles without spooling through fifty that look like

06:43, 8 March 2022 diff hist +15‎ User:Doug butler/Academy of Music, Adelaide ‎ →‎History

03:20, 8 March 2022 diff hist −2,406‎ User:Doug butler/Academy of Music, Adelaide

et cetera, which is seldom useful. Or am I missing something ? Doug butler (talk) 01:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC) ‎

@Doug butler: Hi there! I think you're asking how you can view your latest edits to articles without seeing your latest edits to non-articles. On Special:Contributions, expand the "Search for contributions" section and you'll see a field labeled "Namespace". Change this field from "(all)" to "Article", and then click the "Search" button. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 03:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Haha! How embarrassing! That box has been staring at me and I never thought to drop it down. It has what I wanted and more. much much more. Thanks GB Doug butler (talk) 05:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

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