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August 3

Template indicating additional info is available in a foreign Wikipedia article

My turn to ask a question. I know if you do a translation of a foreign language Wikipedia article, you can tag the talk page with something like {{Translated page|fr|Acerum}}, which I added to Talk:Acerum after starting the translation. But what is the template for alerting editors that there's info that can be found in another language Wikipedia? For example, I was about to AfD Sixten Korkman, but saw this [[1]]. I don't want to do the translation, but another Finnish reader might, and it might save people from doing an unnecessary AfD. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

{{Expand Finnish}} --2603:6081:1C00:1187:49B4:94C7:A931:F855 (talk) 01:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Tried to upload image; file name already existed

I changed the file name, uploaded again. Instructions said to "contact help desk" to reassign the new image (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/MilesPuppy.jpg) to the desired page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Terrier

Thank you! LRM100 (talk) 03:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi LRM100. Is File:MilesPuppy.jpg the file you uploaded? Do you want to replace the current image in Lucas Terrier with the file you uploaded? Is there something wrong with the file that's currently being used for primary identification purposes in the main infobox of the article? Is there some encyclopedic reason why you think the file you uploaded should be used instead? I apologize for all the questions, but the current image seems fine (at least at first glance); so, it's not clear why it needs to be changed (if that's what you want to do). However, I don't know much about that particular breed; so, you might want to try seeking feedback at Talk:Lucas Terrier or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs before changing the photo. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Both images are on Commons, not Wikipedia. Your image is c:File:MilesPuppy.jpg, so any renaming will have to be carried out there. If you follow the link to your image on Commons and click the Move tab at the top of the page, it will bring up a form to fill in and request it moved to a new name. - X201 (talk) 13:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. No, I do not wish to replace the existing current image; it was my wish to add this image to the section 'Appearance and Temperment'. As mentioned, there was already a file elsewhere in wiki bearing my original file name ("Miles.jpg) so my first attempt was rejected. Also, it it not appearing on the page as desired, obviously. (I am the president of the United Lucas Terrier Association, for whatever that is worth). I appreciate any guidance. Thanks again! LRM100 (talk) 18:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

To get a unique image filename, you might try uploading with a name which describes the image content and includes a timestamp from its Exif data; for example, Lucas Terrier puppy 2022-07-28. Bazza (talk) 19:01, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@LRM100 To use an existing image in an article, you don't need to upload it again. I am not completely sure about this, but I think you just put 2 left brackefs, then File:MilesPuppy.jpg, then two closing brackets, in the article where you want the image to appear. There are nuances about where the image will appear (left side, right side, etc.) that I am not familiar with. I hope a knowledgeable editor will help. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I am not trying to replace the existing image, which is a good example of three of the color types (tan, black and tan, and light tan) this dog appears in. I merely tried to add an additional image of a white example of this dog breed, down in the "Appearance and Temperament" section of the Lucas Terrier page. I successfully uploaded the image file to wiki, but apparently need approval granted to add it to the page.

And to address the potential 'conflict of interest' issue, if I might...Before I made corrections to this page a couple of years ago, it read like somebody had scanned a 1999 press release in here. Not to suggest by any means I am a brilliant writer, but at least the page is factually accurate now.

Thank you for your help.

Lisa

P.S. I tried to add my status in the footer as Connected Contributor, but couldn't make that work either. Not wishing to appear disingenuous, for the time being, I simply noted it in my profile here for LRM100. Thanks again. LRM100 (talk) 15:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Better Crunchbase deprecation citation

Is there a better citation to the statement Wikipedia deprecated use of Crunchbase as a source in March 2019.than the one now there? Nuts240 (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Nuts240, did you see that WP:CRUNCHBASE links to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 261#RfC: Crunchbase? TSventon (talk) 15:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Citing a Wikisource

Hi, what is the standard way to cite wikisource, specificlly this: [[2]]? Is there a template for it?scope_creep^Talk 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

According to the "cite this page" link on that page, it's "7" . Page:The third Huxley lecture.pdf – via Wikisource. Bazza (talk) 16:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Of course, its cite wikisource, what else could it be. Thanks @Bazza: I haven't ever used that "cite this page". First time I've seen it. I see its on the main page as well. Coolio. scope_creep^Talk 16:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

People alleging I'm using 'dogwhistle' language

No idea if this is the right place to post. Not new to Wikipedia, new to the technical aspects of it.

I've had several people allege to me on Talk:Transgender that the word 'transgenderism' is a 'dogwhistle' word and elaborating on its supposed connotations. The discussion -- which I initially opened to ask if the article warranted a criticism section -- has effectively devolved into discussion about this word. Is this incivility or an incident that requires any action? What should I do? -Adam (DeaconShotFire)^TALK 19:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I'd suggest you stop using the dogwhistle word — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 19:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@DeaconShotFire: It isn't - but the concerns they raise shouldn't be discounted as this falls under a topic that is under discretionary sanctions and is very volatile as a result. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Does their purely taking offence to it make me in violation of any kind of rule? -Adam (DeaconShotFire)^TALK 19:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Not at all, but ignoring the (generally good) advice of others on that talkpage may. FWIW, they're not just "taking offense", they're trying to inform you that a term with an "official" definition is actually used as a type of coded language by certain interest groups in furtherance of a specific socio-political agenda. I.e., a dogwhistle. If you continue to ignore that, then the editors on that talk page will ignore other points you may be trying to make. I'll strongly second @Newimpartial's advice: If you mean "transgender activism", say that. If you mean "transgender recognition" or "transgender accommodation", say that. And if you mean "transgender people", say that. Be specific. Alyo (chat·edits) 20:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Transgenderism, as in the state of being transgender in general. The paper you link to contains opinionated and highly emotive language in its opening, and I doubt it would pass as a reliable source.

And can you clarfiy how "ignoring the (generally good) advice of others on that talkpage" could be rulebreaking? Are you saying if I continue to use that word despite them asking me not to, it would be rulebreaking? Many thanks. -Adam (DeaconShotFire)^TALK 20:20, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

You've been told it's a dogwhistle, you've been asked to "Be specific." — continuing at this point is just to either be difficult, or push a point of view (which to be honest, given your other edits and reason for your previous block, is more likely). Stop it now, or you're going to end up blocked again. — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 20:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I've been told it's some people's opinion that it's a dogwhistle. I've also asked for clarification on the statement above, which I'm waiting on, then I'll be done here. Furthermore, I really don't appreciate the way you've worded this reply. -Adam (DeaconShotFire)^TALK 20:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't appreciate people repeatedly using dogwhistles, but life is full of disappointments like that :) — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 20:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I would expect especially courteous responses from any administrator. Unfortunately, that hasn't occured here. -Adam (DeaconShotFire)^TALK 20:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Whatever you say, Karen person placing exaggerated demands on the resources of the commons. Newimpartial (talk) 20:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC) revised by Newimpartial (talk) 21:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC) so as to offer precision while avoiding a possible slur.

My patience is really wearing thin with the thinly veiled POV you're trying to push. Stop sealioning, please, DeaconShotFire. — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 20:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

You're skating on very thin ice here, as you've been formally put on notice of the discretionary sanctions regime. Any administrator could, at this point, summarily topic-ban you from the area or block you outright based on this conversation and your wilful disregard of what you're being told. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not disregarding anything. I'm genuinely asking for clarification. Would you prefer if I ceased editing here? -Adam (DeaconShotFire)^TALK 21:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

You're completely disregarding the statements of others about the use of the word "transgenderism". See above. And then slightly further above, and then further above that. If you continue to ignore what other editors and sources say, you will get blocked. Hopefully that's clarifying. Alyo (chat·edits) 21:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Would you prefer if I ceased editing here?

Yes.

If you're going to continue with the transparent trolling and transphobia and edits laden with dogwhistles, yes. In fact, I think many of us would prefer that. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

(Outdent) OP has been blocked for the exact same things they promised not to do when unblocked. Probably for the best; I was in the middle of writing up a WP:AE request on them when I learnt about it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Struck down by a boomerang. As one of the sponsors of the unblocking, I feel ashamed.😥 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Don't (almost) everyone deserves a second chance, and you did the right thing by trying to help — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 22:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Shoulda told m to always drop the stick before he hits himself -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Nah, I prefer it much more when TERFs out themselves and get blocked. It saves us all a lot of frustration and time when they do so quickly. Wikipedia has no shortage of them. PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I second this. OP had the choice to not engage in the same behaviour that lead to his previous block, and he chose otherwise. It's not your fault he chose the actions that he did. Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Actually, he was blocked for doing what he promised he would do. Just misread it as not beating a dead horse or refusing to listen. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

behavioral messaging

Hello, I regularly give the small amount of money that you ask. I wanted to suggest that you read more on behavioral messaging. When you put up the message, "98% of people don't give money" that is shown by social science to be dissuasive. People look to social norms to decide what to do. You're telling people that you get along just fine with almost nobody donating. See Robert Cialdini. If you changed it to something like, "more and more people are giving to Wikipedia" you'll have a much better success rate. I'm happy to support what you do; I just really am bummed out that you use what to me seems like an ineffective fundraising message. Thank you for reading this message and considering. Have a good day. 2600:6C44:E7F:F0B7:E5BF:B8DC:738D:25A4 (talk) 20:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately we have little and less to do with the WMF's fundraising messaging and can't do anything about it here. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Unfortunately, this isn't something that us volunteers can help with; this is within the Wikimedia Foundation's (who runs the servers for Wikimedia projects like Wikipedia) purview. You may find this talk page helpful. Not all of us volunteers are happy with how the WMF has been running things. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I will say that the badgering is off-putting. I come here w/o logging in to look things up. They actually place cookies that tell them how many times you've been to Wikipedia without giving in to their badgering -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I think quite a few adblockers will let you manually block that element on the page (and hopefully that'll persist between different banners?) — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 22:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

One of the many benefits of creating an account is that you can turn off the ad banners. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)