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May 19

Infobox parameter confusion

Resolved

Hi! This is on Fadi Elsalameen, although I've seen it on at least one other article recently. The article was using President Infobox when I found it in a maintenance queue. In the course of normal editing I changed it to Infobox Person, which seemed more accurate, and hoped it would knock out the warnings below. It didn't. I looked at Template:Infobox_person#Usage and aside from birth date, which may be a formatting issue, I can't understand what's causing the errors. Is there any helpful resource on this? I know they're preview only errors, but I'd love to fix them.

• Warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown parameter "Birth_Date" (this message is shown only in preview).
• Warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown parameter "Nationality"
• Warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown parameter "Birth_Place"
• Warning: Page using Template:Infobox person with unknown parameter "Profession"

I'm going to check back here, but feel free to ping me when you reply. Thank you StarM 00:16, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: Your problem is that Template:Infobox person only accepts parameter names in lowercase. I've lowercased the parameters, which fixed all of them except "profession", which simply isn't supported by that template. See Template:Infobox person#Parameters for a list of parameters the template does support. (That error is shown whenever you try to use a parameter not on that list, which has no effect). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The infobox has an occupation parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The parameter names are case sensitive. Try it in all lowercase as shown on the documentation page and see if the warnings are cleared up. RudolfRed (talk) 00:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

fixing ping @Star Mississippi: RudolfRed (talk) 00:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Pppery: @PrimeHunter: and @RudolfRed:. Prime, I used that tidbit to fix/clear the last, although I'm not entirely sure businessman is a profession. That's not for here though. Thanks again all StarM 01:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Seeking advice on creating an article from a subheading

Hi brain trust. I'd like to create an article for Jerrabomberra Wetlands which is currently listed under a subheading on Jerrabomberra Creek. It is a nature reserve managed as part of Canberra Nature Park, has its own website, and is managed by the same Trust as Mulligans Flat Woodland Sanctuary. I know this isn't the place to argue for page moves but I wanted to provide background. My question is, how do I go about converting a subheading in one article into a new, independent article? I tried searching this and wasn't able to find instructions. Big thanks, SlinkySeahorse (talk) 04:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)SlinkySeahorse

@SlinkySeahorse: We actually have a documented process for that. See Wikipedia:Splitting. You can shorten this up if you are certain that everyone will agree that the split-out article's subject is notable, but it's easier to just do all the steps. -Arch dude (talk) 05:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

See also: WP:SPINOFF & WP:Summary style. If you are confident that independent notability is non-controversial and that simply expanding the section will cause "undue weight" (i.e. the section would contain too much information in relation to the article as a whole), then the process is fairly simple:

1) Create the article: Jerrabomberra Wetlands (making sure it is reliably sourced, etc.)

2) immediately under Jerrabomberra Creek § Jerrabomberra Wetlands section heading, add a {{main}} hatnote: {{main|Jerrabomberra Wetlands}}

—107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice, much appreciated :) SlinkySeahorse (talk) 01:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)SlinkySeahorse

Haneet Narang

Hello I'm creating a article on wikipedia "Haneet Narang" Who is a Indian celebrity and his name is already mentioned in articals on wikipedia Please review this article and help me to save this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuvrajraghuvanshiofficial (talk • contribs) 07:05, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Deletion is being discussed at WP:Articles for deletion/Haneet Narang. The article currently has no inline citations;see Help:Referencing for beginners. You need to demonstrate the subject's notability, see WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Template for excessively positive sources, esp. movie articles

One thing I have noticed recently is that a number of movie-related articles contain a lot of content from excessively positive sources, e.g. interviews with cast members (which IMHO is just thinly disguised advertising for the movie), the movie DVD extras, etc. Examples are Galaxy Quest#Casting and Star Wars: The Force Awakens#Cast, both of which present overwhelming positive impressions on every member of the cast, and how they all loved their roles and loved working on the movie; and there is not a negative word anywhere. Does this fit under Template:Third-party, or is there something which matches better? Because at least at Galaxy Quest, a number of the sources appear to have no direct connection to the movie. More generally, is there a WP policy against relying on movie publicity and cast publicity interviews, as major source material for WP articles? It just doesn't look encyclopedic to me. Adpete (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Nina07011960, There is no requirement that individual sources used be unbiased or balanced or neutral. Indeed they rarely are. Unless the bias is so strong that there is reason to doubt the reliability of the source, and t think that it actually falsifies facts, There seems no reason to use any template or other devise to m,ark the source. Interviews, of course, are often not independent, unless the reporter or interviewer makes significant comment or analysis.

But if all the sources used for info about a topic, or a particular aspect of a topic, are highly positive, they may not be representative of the gamut of mainstream opinion. In such cases the addition of sources with different PoV may help make the overall article better balanced. But that is not something that placing a tag can fix, in my view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC) {{U|Nina07011960} DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

How to edit on wiki ?

I'm Vuss VILANCULOS I created my WIKI account 1 month ago and all I wish to understand is how i will start editing on wiki ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vusi vilanculos (talk • contribs) 10:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I've added a few useful links to your user talk page, including to a tutorial. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

MOS:FOREIGNITALIC

I am currently improving Jasraj per feedback from a GA review. There are quite a lot of foreign language terms that I am looking to italicise per MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. I presume the words are of Hindi origin but I am no expert. Do I use the {{lang}} template or just the double apostrophes? Do I italicize every occurrence of the word or just the first? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer: MOS:FOREIGNITALIC says use the {{lang}} template and I would do so on all occasions (it doesn't say just do so the first time). I would suggest that you make a list of words you want checked, post it on Talk:Jasraj and then ask people on Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics if someone could have a look at the list for you. TSventon (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating an article in another language on the basis of an article existing in English

Hello. I would like to create an article titled "Xenute" for the Portuguese Wikipedia. I would use an article already existing in English titled "Shenoute" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenoute). The Portuguese version I would create would be a decal. I would use the English one as a template and then I would translate its contents (I was a professional translator for 29 years at the European Commission until I retired two years ago, so the translation would pose no problem at all). I just need some assistance on how to use the English article as a decal to create the Portuguese one. Thank you. LM&Namaacha (talk) 19:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, LM&Namaacha Yes, you can certainly do that: the only general requirement is that you attribute the source: see Translate us for the details. Note that it is your responsibility to make sure that your translated version meets the requirements of pt-wiki: each language Wikipedia is a separate project, and they each have their own rules and policies. I believe that en-wiki is stricter than many about notability and citing sources; but the current English article Shenoute is not ideal in that respect, as you can see from the tag at the top. The pt-wiki may be less strict, or it may be more. --ColinFine (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Procedure to report suspicious edits?

I'm not sure what the procedure for this is and would like understand it further. I noticed an editor's change (sorry, not sure how to link diffs) to pet friendly hotels which looked suspicious and then saw their contributions are pretty much only about that particular company that was added on the article in question and a lot of cross links to it. Looks somewhat suspect to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlepisto (talk • contribs) 21:09, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mlepisto: Looks like 331dot posted some related info on the editor's talk page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 21:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: thanks, and yes I often forget that because sometimes the visual editor does it and other times the text editor is active and doesn't and I forget. If you have suggestions for editor apps or how to not forget, I'm all ears. Thank you! Mlepisto (talk) 22:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Correction of a mistake on your search engine

Hello, I noticed a mistake in a word I came across in your search engine. Could you contact me on **************** so we can discuss further as I intend to volunteer to be an editor.

Kind regards Emeka Odukwe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.217.248 (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I have removed your email address to protect your identity. You can report the error here and we will be happy to point you in the right direction. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error empty references define

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.70.133 (talk) 23:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! Did you have a specific question about references we could help you with? (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 00:41, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

There were empty ref tags added to Public_domain, which another editor has fixed. RudolfRed (talk) 01:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)