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February 5

Kepco

I want to change document title "Kepco Nuclear Fuel" to "KEPCO Nuclear Fuel".

KEPCO is short for Korea Electric Power Corp. KEPCO NF is a subsidiary of KEPCO and it is important to capitalize on "KEPCO." I'm sorry to bother you and thank you for your help.

The link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepco_Nuclear_Fuel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.251.240.21 (talk) 01:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

• Note Earlier related request at #Request to change document title above. Eagleash (talk) 01:28, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

No, this should not be done. WP:TITLETM says "Article titles follow standard English text formatting in the case of trademarks, unless the trademarked spelling is demonstrably the most common usage in sources independent of the owner of the trademark. Items in full or partial uppercase (such as Invader ZIM) should have standard capitalization (Invader Zim)" --ColinFine (talk) 10:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

• Regardless of capitalization, maybe the article could/should be merged to the parent company article (Korea_Electric_Power_Corporation#Other_subsidiaries), since both are (relatively) short. On the other hand, Korea Electric Power Corporation is a prime example of linguistic bias - compare it to the much more detailed EDF Energy, for instance, about a smaller similar company but for which sources are in English. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

i have a idea

hi my name is karim i have an idea abt new show never before give me chance to rxplain u guys — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.248.230 (talk) 03:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello; this is not the place to share ideas for new shows. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 03:16, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

OK. I give up, please help me!

I am editing List of 7th Heaven episodes for Season 3 and I absolutely don't know what I did wrong. I compare the Edit Page for Season 3 to the Edit Page for Season 2 and I do not see any differences? but there sure is a difference in the results: they're all jumbled together instead of in the nice, neat table! All I did was concise-up and tighten-up the writing, get rid of clichés, and there actually were some spelling and punctuation errors. Please point out where I went wrong. Or set it back to where it was at about 11:30 PM EST on February 4, 2020. I tried to undo it but it didn't workBaeleigh (talk) 07:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps this edit cures your problem? --David Biddulph (talk) 07:21, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

To change the name of Temple, Tanjore, Tamil nadu, India

Hi Everyone,

   I just want to raise a request regarding to change the name of temple (From Brihadeeswara Temple to Peruvudayar Temple) in Tanjore, Tamil nadu, India. Why because Currently this temple name showing as Marathi Language, but as per history it is called "Peruvudayar Temple". When i am trying to search the name "Peruvudayar" it is showing "Brihadeeswara Temple". So Please change and maintain name in Tamil language.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.102.108.16 (talk) 07:16, 5 February 2020 (UTC) 

Note: asked and answered at Talk:Brihadisvara Temple, Thanjavur. --ColinFine (talk) 10:42, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

pending edits

I am an autoconfirmed user, yet my edits today of Asexual reproduction are marked Pending. Why is this happening?? Plantsurfer 09:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Plantsurfer, I'd say this is because Royhanna, who is not an autoconfirmed user, has made an edit prior to yours. Pending changes protection prevents all edits after previous pending changes, even by autoconfirmed users, from going live for the general readership until the first pending change is accepted by a reviewer or administrator. – Teratix ₵ 09:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

that's helpful, thanks. Plantsurfer 10:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Those pending edits have all now been accepted. Maproom (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

How to deal with a slow-moving POV dispute

This year there have been two IP edits at Tropic Seamount that aimed to advance the viewpoint that the Western Sahara is part of Morocco. I did revert them because from checking the other articles on the Western Sahara dispute it doesn't seem like it's a widely accepted viewpoint and the article on the seamount is hardly the correct place to argue the dispute. I dunno, what is the best way to resolve such a matter? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

• Well, I am pretty sure you know about WP:DR, so I assume the question is about "slow-moving". I would leave a post at the talk page (pretty much copy-pasting this edit summary, which I agree with FWIW) that clearly speaks of that edit (M vs SS). Assuming no discussion emerges, just revert on sight further insertions with an edit summary of "see talk".

Of course do not apply this advice if it brings you into an edit war; if the rate increases significantly, after you have established your version on the talk page, see WP:AIV / WP:RFPP. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, the question was about "slow moving". The problem with these nationalistic disputes is that they tend to last long even if of low intensity. I take that at the current stage, page protection is not warranted yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:56, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Nancy Pelosi bio

List Trump impeached 12/18/2020. Obvious error — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:9E0:56B0:B87A:1958:2C3:9151 (talk) 13:07, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

That error was corrected by this edit nearly 9 hours ago. Perhaps you were looking at a cached version? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Infobox selection

I want to develop a page on an upcoming entertainment complex consisting of casinos, dining, hotels, and theatres. What sort of infobox fit the description? StreetSoda_talk 20:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Streetsoda: please fix your signature so that it points to your user page. Currently it links to User:StreetSoda. RudolfRed (talk) 19:49, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Streetsoda: Template:Infobox casino may be what you're looking for. But as a note, you say an "upcoming" complex. If it hasn't been built yet, it might not be notable, so be careful. Also take great caution to keep the tone neutral, as it is easy to make these sorts of articles sound promotional if you don't watch out. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: Thank you for the pointers. I will look into it. StreetSoda_talk 21:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Streetsoda: Let me emphasize the need to demonstrate notability. If you cannot convince reviewers that the subject is notable, then the article will be rejected or deleted and your hard work will be wasted. You must find two or more reliable sources (see WP:NCORP). Do this first. Look at Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability) to see several ways people mess this up. -Arch dude (talk) 04:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I appreciate the concern but said article has been vetted by an admin already for notability. StreetSoda_talk 13:18, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Streetsoda: Glad to hear it. Please note that admins have no more (or less) authority to make that decision than any other editor, but since an admin is an experienced editor their opinion is likely to carry a lot of weight in most consensus-building exersizes here. -Arch dude (talk) 16:34, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Also, PLEASE fix your signature. it is missing a closing span, and this messes up any following stuff on the page. I am going to ask an admin to soft-block your account until you fix this. -Arch dude (talk) 16:38, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: It should be fixed now. StreetSoda_talk 17:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Issue with article preview re: Democratic Primary Elections

Several articles about the 2020 US Democratic Primary elections have Joe Biden's face as the preview image when he is not the subject of the page. I've linked to pictures of two instances of this, one from the 2020 calendar for the Democratic Primary when you scroll over the link to the Iowa Caucuses page (link to image) and another from the [Iowa Caucuses page] (link to image) when you scroll over the page for general information regarding the entire primary process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malogan95 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Malogan95, Hmmm I see your photos, but can't replicate the phenomenon. Its possible the page has been changed since then, but for me the page preview shows a picture of Pete Buttigeg (I am using Navigation popups). The software just shows the first image in the article, which tends to be of a candidate. Once the tally's of results are in, and the infobox is updated, it should show the winner on a rollover. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Malogan95: Your screenshots are from mw:Page Previews. CaptainEek uses a different feature Navigation popups. Page Previews uses mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice to automatically select the image. The image is not selected by editors. I don't know why the feature prefers the Joe Biden image but don't make edits to try to influence the automatic selection. An image can be blacklisted as page image but it's not done just because other images may be equally or more relevant. We have six million articles and have only blacklisted seven page images in MediaWiki:Pageimages-blacklist. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: It might be worth considering blacklisting images of candidates running in very high-profile elections from showing up as the preview image until the election is over, at least on the main page of a group covering an ongoing election. I understand very few images have fallen into this category up to now, but this kind of unintended behavior could be a problem down the line by creating the impression in users who don't understand the functionality of the preview system that Wikipedia is endorsing one candidate over another, and could potentially influence the decisions of some people who come to the site by giving a particular candidate's face as the preview image. Malogan95 (talk) 00:41, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

@Malogan95: The image is relevant to the article. We are not going to blacklist all images on selected articles just because none of them are more important than the others. With the way the blacklist works, it would also mean all the images were prevented from being the page image on any article, for example meaning that Pete Buttigieg couldn't display the preview image of Pete Buttigieg. This could theoretically be prevented by using different images on different articles but it's unreasonable work for something that doesn't seem like a real problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:21, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

New DAB page needs a lookover

I just made a DAB page to experience the process; did I get it right?

Le Pouce (disambiguation) --Quisqualis (talk) 20:49, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Quisqualis, I would say that the page is probably unnecessary. Disambigs are for disambiging multiple WIkipedia pages. A Dambig that links to only one Wiki page is not very useful. Now, if there were to be an article for the sculpture, then a disambig page would be reasonable. Thanks for having the courage to ask. I've seen you around a lot lately, keep up the good work! CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:42, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

To be more specific, CaptainEek, does it look like I set up the DAB page correctly (such as it is: about to be deleted) in other respects? Does it look technically "right"?--Quisqualis (talk) 22:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

You'll find the relevant MoS at WP:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages. Among other things, MOS:DABENTRY says that there should be only one link per entry. As you only have the two meanings, WP:ONEOTHER says that you won't necessarily have a dab page, but if you do it should include the {{One other topic}} template. The primary topic needs an {{about}} template to point to the other meaning or to the dab page. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:44, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph, would it be considered excessive to have the {{One other topic}} at the top of Le Pouce, to direct a reader interested in the artwork (in the absence of a DAB page)?--Quisqualis (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

I have reverted your strange change to my message where you put "John Glen Sperling" in place of {{about}}. To answer your question you need to look at {{One other topic}}; it goes on a dab page, not on the article for the primary topic. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:04, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Page

There was a page I created but it got a copyright issue after a while, I just wanna know what will happen to it now? Page is 'Devi (2020 film)' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kajolqueen (talk • contribs) 21:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Kajolqueen, Short answer, nothing. The article exists Devi (2020 film). It had a copyright issue, and the relevant text was removed.S Philbrick(Talk) 21:31, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Bondarenko: interlanguage linking failed

I have tried to link enwiki Bondarenko to uk:Бондаренко. Got a list of about 15 other languages pages, linked to the Ukrainian one already. I confirmed the linking is correct and I want to proceed, but linking failed.

I also tried to go to WikiData and merge d:Q31033336 with d:Q834443, but got an error:

The two items cannot be merged because one of them links to the other using the properties: P1889, P1889

How can I link the enwiki Bondarenko list with other languages? --CiaPan (talk) 21:53, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Merge failure reported at d:MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Merge.js#Merge failure. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:14, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, David. :) --CiaPan (talk) 22:16, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

You'll see the reply at the Wikidata page linked above. Another confirmation of the fact that the more complicated Wikidata becomes the less useful it is. I've tried another route at d:Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q31033336. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Yes, I saw it and followed it. Thank you! --CiaPan (talk) 10:32, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

How to remove an unpublished Article (Biography)

Hi,

This query is regarding a Page (Biography) I created in 2017 using the same login (with which I am writing the page)

The Page never got released as it never got the reviewers approval. I cannot find the text when I login to my page.

When I search the same in Google using the string '<name of the person> Wikipedia' it shows to full text.

If you type the string '<Name of the Person> wikipedia' the result show up in google as '<Name of the Person> - EverybodyWiki Bios & Wiki' - Which allows you to read the full Biography which was never approved.

I got a reply that it was deleted from Wikipedia in 2018 but I can still see it.

I would like to remove the complete Biography from the Wikipedia so it doesn't come-up on the Google search.

Since, the biography never got published/approved on the Wikipedia, I don't know why it is appearing on the search. I can't see on my profile either when I login.

Please let me know how I can make sure that it doesn't come-up in the search.

Many Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parampriti (talk • contribs) 22:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

• Parampriti, Draft:Priti Kaur was deleted in December 2018. Drmies (talk) 22:42, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

The page which you found in your Google search is not a Wikipedia page. It is https://en.everybodywiki.com/Priti_Kaur which is on one of many mirrors taking data from Wikipedia. At the foot of the page it tells you that the data came from Wikipedia, but the link is to Draft:Priti_Kaur which, as you have seen, was deleted. We have no control over such mirrors, particularly where they correctly attribute the source as being Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Is there a prohibition or difference in licensing against other's use of Draft or other non-mainspace content? It seems like that content is not meant for publication (yet) and might reflect poorly on Wikipedia. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:36, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

No, AlanM1, there is no such prohibition and there should not be such a prohibition. It would be a technical nightmare, and it arguably goes against our philosophy. Every time an editor adds an entry of any sort to any page on a Wikimedia server, they do so by clicking on the "publish" button. The text immediately above that button says

"By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license."

and this is precisely why the "save" button was renamed "publish". Putting different licenses on different pages would make it difficult for us and others. The problem here is that folks don't take this agreement seriously, so they try to use draft space and user space as a convenient private scratchpad. -Arch dude (talk) 04:16, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Page for: Terblanche Jordaan

Good evening ...

Will you please delete the page: TERBLANCHE JORDAAN

https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terblanche_Jordaan

I'm more than happy to proof to you that I am indeed Terblanche Jordaan, you can name it or request any verification. The page has so many chronological and fact errors that I would much rather prefer to NOT be mentioned on Wikipedia at all. The references are mostly from newspapers dating back 20+ years with no reference to battles won Italic textagainst opinions, rumours, suspicions, gossip, misrepresentation, sensation, and hurt that took years to overcome the pain. An article dating back more than 20 years should not be on Wikipedia. I'll rather ask someone to write something that is more current, well, at least of the 21st century.

Let me know how I can proof to you that it is me that's making the request.

Warm regards from Cape Town

Terblanche Jordaan

[login name: NeoSpektrum2020]

Each Wikipedia is separate. You will need to ask at that Wikipedia to have an article deleted. RudolfRed (talk) 23:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the template {{db-author}} from this entry, as it would not be appropriate on this Help desk even if it were in the right Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 00:00, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Question

I need to do a Bibliography or a Works Cited page and I cannot find who wrote the article I need to cite. Can you please tell me who wrote the article about Denmark? Here is the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark Thanks, 26durdahlb (talk) 23:58, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, 26durdahlb. Most Wikipedia articles have several authors. A high-profile one like Denmark probably has hundreds: you can see their Wikipedia user names by picking the "History" tab. See WP:Citing Wikipedia for how to deal with this issue. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

In fact this says that it has been edited by 5,953 different accounts and IP addresses. --ColinFine (talk) 00:06, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

26durdahlb In general, Wikipedia itself is not meant to be cited in a scholarly work, as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Instead, you should be using the citations found in the article itself. If it's not a scholarly work, I suppose you could just cite the edit history page as the author. 331dot (talk) 03:45, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

26durdahlb, the author is "Wikipedia". Your instructor will be telling you any day now why articles on Wikipedia are not proper sources to cite for your research.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

26durdahlb, additional to the above information, there is also a cite this page link in the left column of any page, which gives some suggested formats ~~ Alex Noble - talk 09:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)