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February 23

Which category of image?

Hi-

I have permission to use an image of musician Johanna Warren from Johana herself in her article. But I am not clear which of the three image categories to use.

And no, there is no COI, I am a friend of hers. Sethie (talk) 03:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sethie: What do you mean by "three image categories? If you're a friend of hers, you do have a conflict of interest - FlightTime (open channel) 03:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@FlightTime: Before we go into the 3 categories, lets see if I am not allowed to add a picture to her page?

WP COI says: "While editing Wikipedia, an editor's primary role is to further the interests of the encyclopedia. When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role, the editor has a conflict of interest. (Similarly, a judge's primary role as an impartial adjudicator is undermined if she is married to the defendant.)

Any external relationship—personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial (including holding a cryptocurrency)—can trigger a COI. How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Wikipedia is governed by common sense. For example, an article about a band should not be written by the band's manager, and a biography should not be an autobiography or written by the subject's spouse. There can be a COI when writing on behalf of a competitor or opponent of the page subject, just as there is when writing on behalf of the page subject."

As a friend of Johanna's I don't think WP:COI prohibits me from doing copy-editing on her page (already did one such edit, feel free to take a peak) and putting up an image?

If you feel it does, could you point to what part of the policy backs your position.

I could have just googled and found an image of her... maybe that would have been/would be better? As it is, she has sent me three images and I have chosen the one which I feel is most encyclopedic. Sethie (talk) 04:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sethie: We have no interest in "permission to use" an image. Instead, we need an image that has the appropriate copyright license. Unless there is a contract or other "writing" the photographer, not the subject, owns the copyright and is the only person who can license it. The image must have a CC-BY-SA (or compatible) license. This would have been true of any image you "found on the Internet" also: most such images have no copyright license and therefore their copyright is still owned by the photographer. The alternative is "fair use", and we accept a "fair use" image only under highly restrictive conditions that do not apply to images of living people. If your image is CC-BY-SA, then upload it to commons and add it to the article, and thank you for this. That is separate from any WP:COI concerns. Now for COI: unless you are being compensated in any way by the subject (see WP:PAID) you are not prohibited from editing the article, but you are very strongly discouraged from doing so, and you are required to disclose your relationship to the subject. It is much better to simply suggest the edits on the article's talk page. It's OK, we don't get nasty or anything, but experience as shown that it is all too easy to inadvertently bias your edits so the second set of eyes is useful. Please don't give up: we will get there eventually. -Arch dude (talk) 04:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thanks friend! I hadn't planned on editing her article other then adding a picture of my friend... as a birthday gift to her!

Actually, maybe it is best that I just step away from her page completely- me having to announce a COI on the talk page sort of "stains" the page.... and is contrary to the birthday gift energy I was trying to bring> :) :( Sethie (talk) 06:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sethie: The hard part is getting a validly-licenced image uploaded to Commons. This does not require a COI declaration. It does require the effort to track down the photographer and get that license. That's clearly a lot of thoughtful work of the type that should go into a great birthday gift. The COI declaration (which would be on your user page) would not be obtrusive enough to subtract, I hope, and your friend won't see it unless she knows enough about Wikipedia to know how to look for it. How can "I'm a friend of Johanna Warren" be negative? COI is not a bad thing, it just a thing. Getting good photos of living people is something we need. -Arch dude (talk) 06:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

One more thing, Sethie: it's great that you want to give your friend a birthday gift, but editing Wikipedia is often not a very satisfactory gift for them, because neither you nor they will control what happens to the article afterwards. In this case, if you found a picture with the right licence, it would almost certainly be an improvement to the article, so your "gift" would probably remain. But if later somebody else found a different picture of Warren (with an appropriate licence), they could replace your picture; and if the consensus of editors agreed it was a more suitable picture, then it would be used, even if both you and Warren preferred the picture you added. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Principal

Hi, Just want to get your opinion about a principal managing 2 private schools. if this is allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.6.136.138 (talk) 07:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, this page is for asking questions related to using Wikipedia; this is not a general question asking forum. 331dot (talk) 08:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

If this is a question about whether a principal managing 2 private schools is likely to be notable enough for an article if that is the main basis of the person's notability, the general response would be that , unless the schools are so very important or there is some other factor that the individual himself has been the subject of multiple references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements, that there would most likely not be sufficient sources for an article. DGG ( talk ) 16:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Fact checkers

Are fact checkers considered reliable sources for a Wikipedia article? Interstellarity (talk) 14:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

The people themselves, not for Wikipedia purposes, since they are not published and so can't be verified. If you mean, e.g., factcheck.org, see [1]. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 15:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: There are a lot of fact checking websites out there. Here is a Google search for some of them. Which ones are reliable and which ones are not? Interstellarity (talk) 16:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

​If it's published by a reliable source like AFP it is fine. If it looks like a self-published source it should be avoided. Some are listed on WP:RSP, for example PolitiFact is listed as being reliable. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:RSP has comments on a couple. You may be able to find more in the WP:RSN archives. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Þjarkur: What does AFP stand for? Would factcheck.org be considered reliable? Interstellarity (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

​I was referring to factcheck.afp.com, published by Agence France-Presse. Factcheck.org appears to have editorial oversight, but in the WP:RSN archives someone calls them a student publication [2] that should probably not be used. It is however used in 600 articles, including on our articles on Obama and Trump. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Þjarkur: That's clear to me. Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Referencing

Hi Helpdesk, I am struggling with finding how to do the reference tags, or even what those are. Do you mean the superscript numbers at the end of a phrase?. I clicked on "Cite your sources" at the bottom of the window, but I am not sure if that is how to do it. Please could you walk me through this? I tried to paste the requested edits together with superscript numbers in the text and the corresponding references, but no references or in-text citations appeared. I don't know whether to highlight the reference at the bottom and then click cite your sources, or click that when the cursor is next to the insertion point in the text. Both seem to just put a ref ref thing in the flow of the text. Maybe I am supposed to just put them in the flow of the text using the cite your sources and you sort it out into a normal looking reference? I just want to add references to the text correctly. Please help. thanks EMMALROSS (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please read Help:Referencing for beginners.   Maproom (talk) 18:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

​If you use the VisualEditor, inserting references is much easier. See this tutorial. You can use the VisualEditor in your sandbox but not on talk pages (so if you're requesting additions to pages you can just link to your sandbox instead). You just click "Cite" when your cursor is next to the insertion point in text, the reference is supposed to go in the flow of the text, when the page is displayed it will be shown as superscript numbers. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

    Thank you both. EMMALROSS (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism from 174.52.101.239

Can you please block 174.52.101.239. This user edited the Gonzaga Bulldogs men's basketball page and change the name of the page to "Yoeli Childs’ Sons" within the last 12 hours. As you can see on their user talk page, this IP address is known for vandalizing Wikipedia pages, and even changed the name of the Yoeli Childs page to "Gonzaga’s Dad" today as well as seen on their recent contributions, and this type of behavior has been documented since 2018 on this user's talk page. Can you please block this user for at least the next couple months? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorgeriverez (talk • contribs) 2020-02-23T18:30:26 (UTC)

Hello, Jorgereverez. Since this is an IP address, it might be a complete different person using it from three years ago. But I agree that their recent edits look like vandalism. The place to report this is at WP:AIV. --ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help requested

• Draft:Riangsh Entertainment World (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

i was put all relabale links — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hameedabbas786 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

​Your draft is awaiting a second review, it can take several weeks to get a review. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:17, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

None of the sources cited in the draft discusses the subject of the article. The draft therefore fails to establish that its subject is notable, and will be declined when it is reviewed. Maproom (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

External link not connecting properly

Hi - I can't figure out how to get the external link in Portable Bloomberg: The Wit and Wisdom of Michael Bloomberg to link properly. The same WP article is listed as a reference in the body of the text, but when it appears as an external link - using exactly the same URL, it returns a deadlink. Not clear what I'm doing wrong. Bangabandhu (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done There was a pipe character at the end of the url that was causing the problem. MB 20:48, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Bangabandhu (talk) 03:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)