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Edit: Pregnancy

Add under Prevention

Vacectomy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azure0terra (talk • contribs) 01:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Azure0terra: Welcome, and go for it! At Wikipedia, we encourage editors to be WP:BOLD and make changes. Note that Vesectomy is already covered at Birth_control RudolfRed (talk) 01:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Azure0terra: I see that your account is not yet autoconfirmed, which is required for some articles, including Pregnancy. You can suggest specific edits on the article's talk page, along with {{edit semi-protected}} and a volunteer will look at it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

James Bryce, 1st Viscount Bryce

What went wrong with ref number 37? 175.33.22.186 (talk) 01:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

The error message says "|archive-url= requires |archive-date= ", so you need to provide an archive date. See Help:CS1_errors#archive_missing_date RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I am out of my depth. I added in what I thought was the archival date - which is today 13 December 2020 - but the ref. reamains in the red - and all wrong. Please fix if you can. Sorry 175.33.22.186 (talk) 02:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed. December in |date= was misspelled with an unnecessary comma, and |archive-date= was added. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 03:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

It seems that the Lupton editor is back. The purported archive url is not an archived copy of the source linked by |url= so is not appropriate for use in |archive-url=. Also, the source is not dated so |date= is inappropriate. I have removed them.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 03:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Deletes names of scientists who disagree with the concept of global warming? Act of Censorship?

So far I haven't discovered that this is NOT true? And if my research continues to support this, I will NOT continue my yearly donation.

I am a member of the Antarctic Science community,and know that the myth of man made 'global warming' is the biggest fraud in contemporary science history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:212A:7C78:B19A:ED26:607C:76E5 (talk) 03:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I know it's not, and the vast majority of reliable sources agree with me. HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I cannot understand the original question. We cannot prove a negative. All edits on Wikipedia are available in the history pages of articles, so if someone has deleted the names of scientiste, you should be able to identify the edit that deleted the name within an existing article. If the deletion was improper, we can help you discuss that deletion and if appropriate re-instate the name. If you think an article about such a scientist was deleted, there will be a record of the deletion discussion, and you should be able to find that discussion to see why the deletion occurred. This means that you do not need to "do research" by reading conspiracy blogs. You can do a real investigation of the actual activity here at Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 04:52, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello irate IP editor. Please feel free to not donate to the Wikimedia Foundation in the future. The WMF has very healthy cash reserves and, frankly, does not need the support of someone willing to threaten financial retribution to influence editorial content. Experienced Wikipedia editors will continue their work entirely uninfluenced by your silly threats. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:04, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

The consensus view as reported in reliable sources is described in our Climate change denial article. -Arch dude (talk) 05:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion has a search field. If you enter "scientists who", you will find this: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming. Yes, it was deleted, and it is not censorship (read that, and also read Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not censored). The reasons why it was deleted are given on the page: there is no value in having a list that combines the qualities of a) being a scientist, in the general sense of that word, and b) disagreeing with the scientific consensus on global warming. This cross-categorization is described by many persuasive commenters below as non-encyclopedic per WP:LISTN.

And if your donations depend on Wikipedia carrying specific content, they are not donations, they are bribes. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Is there a restriction on what a blocked user can use his talk page for?

Do we have a policy for what uses a blocked user can use their talk page for? I searched Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Wikipedia:Blocking policy but did not find anything. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Despite what many people think, we have no "you may not edit your talk page except for unblock requests" policy; the actual guideline is that misusing user space following a block (e.g., for personal attacks or tendentious editing) is forbidden. (It's not uncommon for blocked editors to use their talkpage as an article drafting sandbox whilst they're blocked, for instance.) What we do do quite often is interpret "tendentious editing" quite broadly and issue stricter "only use your talkpage for discussions related to your block" instructions in cases when an editor is clearly yanking chains. ‑ Iridescent 06:44, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Iridescent, so can an indefinitely blocked user to take part in discussions on article content on their talk page, ie editing by proxy? --Doug Weller talk 15:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Doug Weller and Guy Macon: If another editor copies comments from the blocked editor without being requested to do so, whether that's from the talk page of the blocked editor, their Twitter account or elsewhere (provided it's freely licensed), I don't see the problem. In this case the copying editor would be editorially responsible for the message though. If the discussion itself is happening on the talk page of a blocked user, so be it, let them take part. Move the discussion elsewhere if appropriate. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:28, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I really didn't want to get into the weeds regarding one blocked user -- I really am more interested in seeing a written policy that applies to all -- but here is the example that led me to ask this question: User talk:Koavf#An absurd "short description" that you added. Here we see another editor sort of kind of talking about article content while at the same time sort of kind of picking a fight with words like "absurd" and "imbecilic". Then the blocked user responded in kind (a mixture of flaming and talking about article content).

While far from ideal, if the exchange I just linked to happened on any other user's talk page, nobody would blink an eye unless the flaming later escalated. So are the rules really different on the talk page of a blocked user? And if so, where can I read the exact wording of the policy or guideline that says that? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

If you ignore the banning policy, which can apply to all pages, the closest policy is the part of the blocking policy (here), originally derived from the protection policy (here), about revoking TPA and specifically 'abuse of the talk page'. Yes, the rules are vague and varying - this is because different editors may require different conversations to get them back to editing (or leave). -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

It looks like the protection policy has my answer: "In extreme cases of abuse by the blocked user, such as abuse of the unblock template, re-blocking the user with talk page access removed should be preferred over applying protection to the page." Talking about articles isn't an extreme case of abuse. Nether is a bit of minor flaming when someone else came to your talk page and started it. And if I ever get blocked I would still be allowed to post the occasional joke like the ones on my talk page now (I thought User talk:Guy Macon#Finalists for the Wikipedia 2020 Main Page redesign came out rather well). --Guy Macon (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Donation requests

I’ve donated to Wikipedia a few times. Usually on apps the page asking for donations goes away after you’ve donated. But, on Wikipedia it hangs out there intrusively asking for donations on each article. I would love if Wikipedia could sift between users and show “beg free” articles to those that have donated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.128.146.228 (talk) 10:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

You are using an IP address; there is no way to know that the person sitting at the computer at any given moment has donated or seen the requests. If you create an account, you can suppress the requests for donations. 331dot (talk) 11:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Please help to publish People's Reporter Page which has been declined

Hello,

We have tried to publish a page in Wikipedia having a name, People's Reporter Bengali but unfortunately has been declined. May I please request you to provide us the reason for the rejection and along with it, I want to make a request to help in publishing the above-said page in Wikipedia. We are a news portal, operating for more than 4 years now. You can reach the Official website of the news portal at [1]

Looking forward to you eagerly to see help in publishing the page which could get an extra edge to our prestigious organization.

Thanks in advance.

Thanks & Regards, Soumya Sen — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoumyaSen9 (talk • contribs) 11:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello SoumyaSen9,

The reason your article was declined was that it does not meet Wikipedia's standards for notability. That is to say, there's not enough reliable third-party coverage about the topic. You can read the notability guidelines for companies and organisations here. However, I would also note that the tone of the draft article appeared to be very promotional, which is also not acceptable on Wikipedia which aims for a neutral point of view in all areas.

--Paul ❬talk❭ 12:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SoumyaSen9. I'm afraid that, like many people, you appear to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. Promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. --ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

SoumyaSen9, the speedy deletion notice offers you the option to contest the speedy deletion on your article's talk page. You have not clicked the button to respond. That is your one option. Please take it, rather than begging on the Help Desk that we go around the rules.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:19, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

The line between WP:Synth and editorial

I find it difficult to know precisely what synth is. The obvious examples are clear enough, but it feels like synth starts to blend into editorial. An example that came to mind recently was writing about scientists making controversial claims about covid. Does "fact checking" count as synth?

For example, consider the following (in an artible about Smith).

"Mr Smith said covid is caused by 5G antenna [1]. Covid is caused by a virus [2]"

The information about what Covid is caused by seems quite editorial relevant to this claim, but at the same time by putting it near facts about someone it becomes a claim that Smith is wrong - and for this sort of thing it would seem more normal to express the opinions of others. But constraining oneself to *not saying* what is true, and verfiable, and relevant, because it would make what someone else says wrong seems weird. bold are edits Talpedia (talk) 13:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion at WP:SYNTH is useful but in the example you give above there is no real debate, in my opinion. I would immediately remove the first sentence because it didn't have a cited reliable source. If there was a source that quoted Mr Smith and went on to say he was correct, or incorrect, then perhaps the article might mention this if it was an important view expressed by someone influential. In your example, the [cite] might support both statements but if so the WP article would need to be expanded so that the apparently contradictory causations were explained (so, perhaps the article could say "covid is caused by antenna on Mondays but viruses on other days of the week.[cite]") Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I've read WP:SYNTH a few times now. I'll cleared up the question to be a little clearer. This would be in an article about Smith, both cites come from separate sources. The one about smith would tend to be from a newspaper or primary (i.e. in a work published by Smith). The second source would be WP:MEDRS. There tends to be a lack of WP:MEDRS sources directly addressing what people say. Talpedia (talk) 16:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

You've re-edited the question, which makes my earlier response look a bit odd! Let's just say that if the article is about a person, then it should stick to what the sources say about that person. The second sentence is irrelevant unless it contained something along the lines of "the Wall Street Journal said that Mr Smith's assertion about causes of covid was bunkum because....". In other words, it is definitely WP:SYNTH or perhaps WP:OR if a WP editor places their own opinion into an article. We must just state in a WP:NPOV way what third party sources have said. This sort of issue is widely discussed in articles about well-known people with minority views. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Yup, didn't want too much confusion as my question was not clear enough (but tried to make clear that the edits are). The OR issue is kind of straightforward - since you can just see if the the claims are backed up with sources, as is WP:NPOV - apart from if the non-neutral viewpoint is created by the synth. Hmm, I guess the "rules breaking" question next is *how* unrelated the well sourced claim "general" claim needs to be to justify a claim of WP:Synth. An issue that comes up is the the *best* sources about the material accuracy of people's claims will be WP:MEDRS sources while the responses people make are often tendentious and questionable. Also, would you count a "see also: covid" as wp:synth? Talpedia (talk) 17:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

There's a danger of straying too much into hypotheticals here. May be better to move to the Talk Page of an article where you think this has been an (unresolved) issue. One reason I usually don't edit WP:BLP is because they end up in way too much discussion around this sort of point. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help anyway. I haven't been in a discussion where this actually played out - more kind of "saw it coming" as editors fought every point tooth and nail to be as non-positive as possible.... Talpedia (talk) 06:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Talpedia, it seems to me that the line between synth and not-synth can be drawn when the conclusion is patently obvious and "common sensical" to any reader, rather than arrived at by a chain of reasoning. Kind of like in patents, where an invention must be non-obvious. So must synth.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

World Burlesque Day - edit added

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and I am the founder of World Burlesque Day. I hope I am not writing with a Conflict of Interest, can you advise if I am as we have launched World Burlesque Day on the 26 April 2020 and I wanted to add it to the page on Burlesque here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlesque. I set up my username as World Burlesque Day as my stage name Sapphira was taken. World Burlesque Day (talk) 13:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

World Burlesque Day You will need to change your username, please follow the instructions I have placed on your user talk page. You do have a conflict of interest(please review) and will need to make a formal edit request on Talk:Burlesque. You should only do that, however, if independent reliable sources discuss your creation. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 13 December 2020 (UTC) Thank you 331dot

File:S.M.I.L.A by Alexander Ozolin .mp3

Many admins were unresponsive by this deleted audio file for restoration, and has been held controversial. Can you review this file please?

For further information, you may see within Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion headline. The Supermind (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@The Supermind: The deleting admin has already explained why it won't be undeleted. User_talk:Explicit#File:S.M.I.L.A_by_Alexander_Ozolin._mp3 RudolfRed (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

List of Sculptors

Add to List of Sculptors: John Giannotti, (1945-) US — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johntonygiannotti (talk • contribs) 16:02, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

You should create article on John Giannotti first. Wareon (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

To expand on that, stand-alone lists explains the policy and points out that just because something is in a list it still has to be WP:NOTABLE. The presence of an article in WP should confirm notability, so that's why the sculptor list is composed of people with an existing article. I note that according to your user name you may have a conflict of interest in asking for the addition. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:17, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

That also explains why your entry on Haddonfield, New Jersey back in April was reverted. If you are only here to include information about yourself, you are likely to have a hard time. This is not a social media site. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

... and promotion (= "telling the world about something") is forbidden. Wikipedia only covers subjects that the world has already taken notice of. --ColinFine (talk) 20:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Correction to Adolf Hitler Article

On the first line of the article it says that Hitler was a German politician. He’s actually Austrian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.111.62.6 (talk) 16:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

This has been addressed repeatedly. See this. Praxidicae (talk) 16:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Poison

i was just searching for information about Poison(American band), and I came across that you missed 1 compilation album was not in the list, I just wanted to make sure you have this information so you can add it to the list the album name is : Best of Ballads & Blues, released August 5, 2003 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7781:1290:D1C9:C0A6:1B7B:249F (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. The article for the band only lists a few of their albums. The full list is at Poison_discography, and that list includes the one you mention. RudolfRed (talk) 17:13, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit summary search?

Hello. How to search edit summaries (throughout English Wikipedia, not just one article) for a particular phrase? Thanks. -- M2545 (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@M2545: as far as I can tell, Wikipedia's search function does not seem to have the ability to search for edit summaries. Therefore, the only way to do this would be to search the database dumps. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@M2545: Possibly one of the helpers at Wikipedia:Request a query might be able to run a search for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:37, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

thanks!! -- M2545 (talk) 18:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Emergency shutoff-compliant?

There is no problem with any existing bot; I just want to learn more.

In Template:Infobox Wikipedia bot there is an entry that says "Emergency shutoff-compliant?" One example of a page that uses this infobox template is User:Yobot. It appears that the big red button on the YoYoBot page simply blocks the bot (assuming that you have block rights). Of course any admin can block any user including bots, So, how could a bot not be "Emergency shutoff-compliant?"

I also found Template:Emergency-bot-shutoff, which has the intriguing text "shutoff=link destination -- Adds a note indicating that the bot has custom shutoff options for its tasks, encouraging administrators to prefer shutting off an individual task to blocking the bot."

Is the above related to this text on the YoBot page? "Instead of blocking this bot, you can stop it by adding a message to its talk page. Blocking isn't very clever because it prevents the bot from doing other tasks." Is there some special syntax required? I have to assume that this can't be triggered by some random person posting a question on that talk page. Does the bot check to see if the requestor is an admin? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Looking at the example of User:ClueBot_NG the shutoff button is just a link to the Special block page, which I assume is just to be a convenience for the blocking admin. There is also a note on the page that the bot can be stopped by an admin by changing User:ClueBot_NG/Run to false. Perhaps this is the "shutoff compliant" part? RudolfRed (talk) 19:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Lead image choice

Hi everybody,

I've been editing Wikipedia for years, but there are some points that are still unclear to me. In particular I wanted to know how do experienced users choose the lead image for the infobox of a historical person. For example a king should be presented in the lead image in an official portrait with his regalia? Or, in the case of an army officer, should we present him/her in his/her uniform? I also wanted to know if a (realistic) self-portrait should be preferred to a photographic portrait in the case of a painter. In this and many other cases a portrait is used instead of the available photographs, while in other articles (like this one) a photo is used, despite the availability of accurate self-portraits. In my opinion a self-portrait gives a better immediate representation of the artist and his/her work rather than a photo, but this is just my opinion! I used this examples because I usually work on articles about art and this are questions I have asked myself several times. Many thanks to whoever would like to give me an answer.

FilBenLeafBoy (Let's Talk!) 19:57, 13 December 2020 (UTC+1)

FilBenLeafBoy The nearest policy I can find is at WP:LEADIMAGE which says to give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page. Obviously that's still debatable but for a historical person I guess that would be an image including their regalia or uniform, if appropriate. In individual cases, I'd expect a discussion on the talk page of the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Editing Clive Llewellyn

Article content

CLIVE OWEN LLEWELLYN: Canadian lawyer and Canadian Olympian wrestler RESIDENCE Calgary, Alberta; CITIZENSHIP: Canadian and British; Place of Birth: Eldoret, Kenya; Home Town: Georgetown, Ontario; Languages: English and some functional Spanish (oral); EDUCATION: Bachelor of Laws (LLB.), 1982 - University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario Master of Arts in Economics (M.A.), 1977 - Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ontario Honour’s Bachelor of Arts in Economics (Hon. B.A.), 1975 - University of Western Ontario, London, PROFESSIONAL CAREER: 2010- Present Llewellyn Law Firm Barristers and Solicitors, Major Practice: Civil and Commercial law 1991 to 2009 Partner, Fleming LLP, Barristers and Solicitors, Major Practice: Civil and Commercial law 1987 to 1991 Partner, Code Hunter, Barristers and Solicitors, Major Practice: Civil and Commercial law 1983 to 1987 Lawyer, and Associate, Code Hunter, Barristers and Solicitors, 1982 to 1983 Articling Law Student, Howard Mackie, Barristers and Solicitors, 1977 to 1979 Economist, Ontario Economic Council, Toronto. 1976 to 1977 Tutorial Assistant, Mathematical Economics and Statistics, Lakehead University Successful trials and appearances at all levels of Courts in Alberta, and on an Appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. ATHLETIC ACHIEVEMENTS • Member, Canadian National Wrestling Team, 1974 - 1980 (various World Championships 1975, 1979; Olympics 1976 and 1980; Pan-American Games 1975; Commonwealth Games 1978 ; World Student Games 1977; World Cup 1974, 1975, 1976, 1979; Canada Cup 1980. • National Champion Freestyle 1980 and Greco 1976 and 1977 • Medalist at Senior National Championships: 1972 , 1974 , 1975, 1976 , 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981 • Silver Medal Pan American Games (Mexico City) (1975) – 68kg • 8th Place - World Champions (Minsk USSR) (1975) – 68kg • Olympian, Canadian Olympic Wrestling Team (1976 and 1980) – 68kg • 7th Place - 1971 World Junior Wrestling Championships (Tokyo) – • 5th Place - 1973 World Junior Wrestling Championships (Miami) – 65kg • Canadian University Wrestling champion (1973, 1974, 1975, 1977) 4 Times • Canadian University Wrestling second place 1972 • Ontario FSSA Champion 1971 – 136 lbs. COACHING ACHIEVEMENTS • Coach, University of Toronto 1977 to 1979; founder Metro-Toronto Wrestling Club • Assistant Coach London Wrestling 1979 – 1982 • Coach Calgary Wrestling Club (high school age) 1985 – 1990 • Coach Calgary Heat Wrestling Club 1990 to 1994 • Coach Rebels Amateur Wrestling Club Calgary 1992 -1994 • Instructor BDB Martial Arts, and Champion’s Creed Calgary • Coach 1992 to 1999 Youth Soccer in Calgary • Coach 1994 and 1995 - kids’ wrestling (under 10) for Rebels Amateur Wrestling Club, Calgary • Coach 1999 to 2005 youth hockey in Calgary • Coach Western Canada High School Calgary 2004 and 2005 • Assistant Coach Diefenbaker High School Calgary 2009 and 2010 • Coach Bowness High School Calgary 2012 and 2013 SPORTS ADMINISTRATION ACHIEVEMENTS • Member Legal Committee, United World Wrestling 2011 to present • Secretary–Treasurer Canadian Amateur Wrestling Association 2005 to 2007 • President – Canadian Amateur Wrestling Association 2007-2011 • Past President- Canadian Amateur Wrestling Association [Wrestling Canada Lutte] 2011- to 2015 • Director and member WCL Management Team 2015-2017 • Technical Committee Member (Wrestlers’ Rep) Canadian Amateur Wrestling Ass. 1976 - 1977 • Chairman, Senior Wrestling program, Ontario Wrestling Federation, 1978 - 1979 • Canadian Olympic Association Athletes’ Advisory Council, 1980 - 1984 • Treasurer, Alberta Amateur Wrestling Association 1984 - 1985 • Founder, Organizer, Coach, Calgary Wrestling Club 1985 - 1990 • Founder, Organizer, Coach, Calgary Heat Wrestling Club 1991(active as U of C Junior Dinos) • Founder, Organizer, Coach, Rebels Amateur Wrestling Club 1992 to 1994( Club still active) • A Director Alberta Amateur Wrestling Association 1984 - 1989 and 1993 – 1994. • A Director (and various official positions) Calgary Amateur Wrestling Association 1985 - 1993 • President Calgary Amateur Wrestling Association 1990 - 1992 • OCO ‘88 “Olympian” Committee Speakers Group • Participant, Olympic Academy of Canada 1992 • A Director Calgary Booster Club 1990 to 1993 (Calgary’s Community Sports Booster Club) • An Executive Member (and Founder) the Westside Rangers Soccer Club in Calgary 2001 to 2007 • Legal Counsel to Canadian Combat Alliance • Legal counsel to Ontario Grappling Association • Legal Counsel to Hard Knocks Fighting Promotion Calgary • Vice- President Commonwealth Wrestling Association to 2017 • Member of Federally appointed Committee on Safety in Combat Sports 2015 – 2017 HALL OF FAME AWARDS Clive received a Silver Star from the United World Wrestling federation in 2015 for his contributions to Canadian Wrestling. Inducted into the University of Western Ontario Sports Hall of Fame 2000 Inducted into Georgetown District High School Hall of Fame 2008 •Inducted into Wrestling Canada Hall of Fame 2015 OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS • Ontario Scholar 1971; • Valedictorian, Georgetown High School, 1971 • Gale Cup Moot Court Competition representing University Western Ontario Law School, 1981 • Magistrate, University of Western Ontario Student Court, 1981 - 1982 • Calgary Legal Guidance (voluntary lawyer) Roster 1983 - 1987 • Canadian Bar Association, Calgary Insolvency Subsection, (Executive Member 1988 - 1991) • Canadian Bar Association, Calgary Foreclosure Subsection, Executive 1988 - 1992, (Chair 1991) • Lecturer, Calgary Bar Association Course - Chambers Advocacy 1994 • Lecturer, Calgary Bar Association Course - Creditor/Debtor 1999 • Lecturer, Calgary Bar Association Course - Creditor/Debtor 2002, 2003, 2004 Clive Owen Llewellyn (talk) 18:58, 13 December 2020 (UTC) Signed Clive Llewellyn

@Clive Owen Llewellyn: If you are the subject of the article with the same name, I strongly discourage you from directly editing the article yourself and instead use Wikipedia's edit request system. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 19:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

(ec) : @Clive Owen Llewellyn: Is this the same person as Clive_Llewellyn? If so, you can make suggestions for changes to that page on that article's talk page. If you are related to or connected to that person, then don't edit it yourself, and instead place {{edit request}} along with your suggestion and an uninvolved editor will evaluate it. You will also need to provide citations to reliable sources for any info you want to add to the article. RudolfRed (talk) 19:12, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Caliphate requests

Hi Wikimedia Team,                               Recently, I search who is the caliph of islam today then Wikipedia answers to me  Mirza Masroor Ahmad The 5th and current caliph is Mirza Masroor Ahmad. This is wrong. I request you to change some in your article. This is the link of the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Caliphate#:~:text=The%205th%20and%20current%20caliph%20is%20Mirza%20Masroor%20Ahmad. I request you to please change the article. Thanking you in advance, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranahanzala (talk • contribs) 19:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ranahanzala: What specifically you want to be changed (preferably in the form change x to y or delete x or add x), and can you provide a source. Talk:Ahmadiyya_Caliphate is open for edit requests. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Why have you guys put the wrong name do some research before posting it please it is an important thing for Muslim so please correct it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.33.142.217 (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

See the answer to the same question above. Be specific about what needs to be changed and start a discussion the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

this is not true He is not Muslim Caliph — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.29.230.126 (talk) 19:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Stop asking same question. Discuss on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:53, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Masroor Ahmed is not fifth caliphate of Islam. He is ahmadi (Non-Muslim). He is nothing with islam. Kindly remove him as a fifth caliphate of Islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.135.44.41 (talk) 20:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Issues with an article's content should be discussed on that article's talk page. I'd link to it to assist you but you don't say which article you are referencing. 331dot (talk) 20:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

The 5th and current caliph is not Mirza Masroor Ahmad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassam Tauqeer (talk • contribs) 20:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hassam Tauqeer, please direct your concerns to Talk:Ahmadiyya Caliphate. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 21:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

If you search current caliph of islam then there is a wrong information on Wikipedia about this. Kindly delete this. Its a religious content,it hurts our feelings. Plz delete that information. Its a wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.156.88.133 (talk) 20:52, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Wrong page. Please direct your concerns to Talk:Ahmadiyya Caliphate. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 21:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Wikipedia,

Just searched for "current caliphate of Islam" on google and wikipedia showed wrong information as it is showing non-muslim as current caliphate of Islam. Ahmadiyya has nothing and has no roots with respect to islam.

This is my request to you to disassociate/remove the link with the subject.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Caliphate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamumar1 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Iamumar1 Please bring this up on the article talk page, Talk:Ahmadiyya Caliphate. 331dot (talk) 21:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Do we really need seven eight nine ten eleven twelve separate discussions about the exact same thing in less than twenty-four hours? Can the extraneous sections be deleted? JIP | Talk 21:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

im writing this to report an article i have found on Wikipedia, the contents of the article are found in the below link,this article is being used for the Misinformation and miscotaion . theres no such thing as caliphate in todasy world . i would like to request the removal or chnaging of information on this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Caliphate#:~:text=The%205th%20and%20current%20caliph%20is%20Mirza%20Masroor%2) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmadali77 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Ahmadali77 Hello. Is there a particular reason you were motivated to find this article? We are getting many comments about it. 331dot (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Neither "Caliph of Islam" nor "Caliphate of Islam" appears anywhere in the article Ahmadiyya Caliphate. In fact, the article says "Since the Ahmadiyya is widely viewed as a heterodox movement by the mainstream of Sunni and Shi'ite Islam, most Muslims outside the movement do not recognise Ahmadi claims to a caliphate as valid". --ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

This is a Google error, not a Wikipedia error. When people Google "Who is the caliph of Islam?", Google falsely reports that is the current Ahmadiyya caliph. The problem is that the membership of the Ahmadiyya sect is only about 1% of all Muslims, is considered heretical by most Muslim scholars, and is banned by the constitution of Pakistan. There is great consternation on social media, and Wikipedia is being blamed for Google's error. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:27, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Which article? If you see an unreferenced assertion in an article, you may remove it. If the assertion is referenced to a reliable source you must not remove it, but you can discuss it on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 02:13, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I assume this is in regards to the slew of posts we got today about Ahmadiyya Caliphate. If that is the case, this has nothing to do with Wikipedia; take it up with search engine feedback. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 02:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Caliphate#:~:text=The%205th%20and%20current%20Caliph,with%20the%20creation%20of%20Pakistan.

"The 5th and current Caliph of the Messiah of the Ahmadiyya Community is Mirza Masroor Ahmad."

This statement above is absolutely false and against the belief of Religion (Islam). Islam has ONLY 4 CALIPHS. This is the propaganda of ahmadiyya group to make their man in the list of caliphs.

Muslim nation request to remove this or give us right to edit it as it is hurting the sentiments of whole muslim community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.88.226.1 (talk) 08:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

We have no control over what Google snips from wikipedia. Pahunkat (talk) 09:17, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

This article (yes, it's Wikipedia, nothing to do with Google) is about the Ahmadiyya Caliphate. So it naturally includes beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. BTW, there is no mentioning about "the" fifth caliph of "Islam". As you have correctly quoted, the article merely talks about The 5th and current Caliph of the Messiah of the Ahmadiyya Community.

Please understand that Wikipedia wants to inform about different views (in this case those of the Ahmadiyya Community), and naturally some will not be your own. Reading carefully and tolerating views that are not our own are important parts of developing as mature human beings... and BTW, are also called for by Islam. (I hope we agree that Islam does not call for intolerance even though some Muslims and not-Muslims try to abuse it for such goals.) --Ibn Battuta (talk) 10:54, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ibn Battuta:, the majority of what you said above is correct, but there is a Goggle problem that is the cause of these multiple demands. Google apparently changed the algorithm that populates its knowledge panels. See Randall Monroe's Twitter for some non-controversial examples. This change apparently resulted in Google displaying the Knowledge Panel with text from our Ahmadiyya Caliphate page when some version of "who is the current caliph?" was typed into its search bar and this was recently made widespread by a popular YouTuber. We are getting blamed for Google's mistaken result. Those offended should be complaining to Google, not here. I hope this clears up any confusion. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:00, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I want to edit a post related to "Present Khalif of Islam".

Please guide me the way to edit a hateful and misleading post related to the above mentioned post which is giving wrong information about present Khalif of Islam.

Present Khalifa/Prophet of Islam is MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM) but the post on Wikipedia is misleading the world, Let's edit this post or delete this post from Wikipedia database — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.118.143 (talk) 09:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not contain the phrase "Present Khalif of Islam". See the above replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Report About 'The Present Khalif of Islam'

please Remove this content from Wikipedia this is wrong information. there is no khalif of islam currently — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.shahrukh khan (talk • contribs) 10:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@M.shahrukh khan: I moved your post to the existing section. Wikipedia does not contain the phrase "Present Khalif of Islam". See the above replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Sarbedaran

I want to edit Union of Iranian Communists (Sarbedaran). There are a lot of unsourced stuff. Can I remove them or I should find sources for them? Ghazaalch (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Ghazaalch, if stuff is unsourced, it can be removed. You may try to find sources that fit the currently unsourced content, but that feels like putting the cart before the horse to me. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 20:54, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you Tenryuu. Ghazaalch (talk) 11:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Global Sustainable Tourism Council

Hello! My original draft for this topic was flagged for copyright violations. I was told to re-write on a "Talk" page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Global_Sustainable_Tourism_Council/Temp&action=edit&preload=Template:Copyvio/preload

I've published in the location above but I'm unsure if this is in the right location to be reviewed. Do I need to re-write on the original page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Global_Sustainable_Tourism_Council_(GSTC)

Would appreciate any insight. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Airizarry018 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Airizarry018: I have moved your corrected draft to Draft:Global Sustainable Tourism Council. —teb728 t c 00:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key

 Courtesy link: Logan Pearsall Smith

In the entry for Logan Pearsall Smith, I tried to capitalize "years" (a word in a book title) in the notes. I messed it up and do not know how to undo what I did. Would someone fix it, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice Magnus (talk • contribs) 22:07, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Maurice Magnus, you gave the named reference "Forgotten Years" two different types of content to reference. Giving another named reference for one of the referenced content should fix the problem. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 22:30, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand. I didn't think that I did anything but capitalize a "y" twice. Would you fix it for me, please. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice Magnus (talk • contribs) 22:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Maurice Magnus, I made this change; the named reference Unforgotten Years was being defined as both Logan Pearsall Smith. Unforgotten years. Little, Brown and Company; 1939. and Logan Pearsall Smith, Unforgotten Years; Edwin Tribble (ed.), A Chime of Words: The Letters of Logan Pearsall Smith. The latter has been changed to define a new named reference, Unforgotten Years 2. Please take a look at the article as I only did it to prevent the error from showing up; whether or not things are sourced to the right reference is beyond me. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 22:42, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:56, 13 December 2020 (UTC) (I just remembered about signing.)

Louis Awad

confused . Please just make the change. I am not used to all these requirements. Just trying to correct mistakes on Louis Awad's biography. His wife was a good friend when I lived in Cairo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:9fc0:50:4c5c:7a26:f8d3:3fe7 (talk) 22:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

IP editor, please provide a reliable source and discuss on the talk page if you are unable to edit the article directly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 22:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Changing font size to print an article for visually impaired?

My 76 year old brother is visually impaired and is doing physics research. I can't seem to copy & paste an article in such a manner that I can then increase the font size so that he can read the article. In doing this all the equations are lost. One example is an article titled: Calculus of variations.

If I download the PDF it keeps the equations but I can't edit the font size on the general text. Is there anything short of having to purchase ADOBE ACROBAT to make this possible? This will be an ongoing issue.

Thank you! BH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.82.62.160 (talk) 23:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Many browsers come with a zoom feature that allows the user to magnify everything on a page. What kind of web browser are you using? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 23:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Acrobat Reader, Foxit_Reader and other PDF readers are available for free and may be able to zoom for you. RudolfRed (talk) 23:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Browsers can do this. I just checked using Firefox on the Calculus of variations article. CTRL- reduces font size, CTRL+ increases font size, and CTRL0 resets font size to default. You can also depress the CTRL key and use the mouse wheel. -Arch dude (talk) 02:27, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

If you have a problem with the formula being displayed as image data, you can choose LaTeX source (for text browsers) from Preferences.--SilverMatsu (talk) 08:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

How can I be helpful for Wikipedia?

What can I do to improve the encyclopedia?

Can you give me some ideas please?

I’d really appreciate for your time

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah Shaheenbaz Faizi (talk • contribs) 23:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Sarah Shaheenbaz Faizi, you may want to check out the Community portal. The "Help out" section lists pages that require some maintenance, which includes fixing spelling and grammar, wikilink fixes, and checking and adding references. If you are looking for a tutorial to begin getting acquainted with Wikipedia, you may want to try out The Wikipedia Adventure. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 23:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

difficulty editing and adding citations

First, a little background. I have edited pages before, adding information along with the citations telling where the information came from.

For the first time, I am having difficulty editing a page. I can add the text, but when I try to add the citation, the automated one doesn’t work at all. When I switch to the manual version for urls, I can enter the description and url, but when I save it, the reference is empty, although the correct number shows up both in the text and footnotes. If I try to save the edit, I get an error message stating: Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404). Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for your help. Dekoppachi (talk) 23:59, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Was this problem connected to your edit to Mufi Hannemann? I see that you placed a citation at the end of the section heading: 2014 gubernatorial election[15]. Citations should be appended to the end of the material they support. A section heading needs no support, but the section itself probably does. You will want to move that citation so it comes after an assertion of fact regarding the gubernatorial election, otherwise, somebody may revert your edit.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Dekoppachi and Quisqualis, it was me who removed the reference from the header, but not just because it was in the header, it was also a reference to another Wikipedia article. Since the editor made no other change to the 2014 section, other than the reference, there is no citation to move. It's also the same article that's already linked as see also directly under the header. Cmr08 (talk) 07:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)