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December 1

Is there a way to remove auto-saved edit summaries from the VisualEditor?

I posted this question in the Teahouse.

As you can see, one person told me that what I'm seeing is browser-side, and I replied with two fairly concrete reasons why that isn't the case. Since then, I've heard nothing more, and I'm concerned that my question will get archived before someone has a chance to answer it properly. So I thought I would try posting here, especially since I'm not clear on the difference between this Help Desk and the Teahouse.

Is there a place that is more appropriate to ask questions specific to VisualEditor?

Thanks!

--1980fast (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

1980fast The Teahouse is geared towards new and/or inexperienced users; the Help Desk is for anyone. 331dot (talk) 00:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Thanks for clarifying that for me! This was definitely where I should have posted from the start, then. I hope the link I made doesn't break if my Teahouse question does get archived. :) 1980fast (talk) 00:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with you posting here, BTW. 331dot (talk) 01:16, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@1980fast: If you don't get an answer here, you can try posting at [[1]]. There is also Visual Editor documentation at WP:VE you can look at to see if it has what you're looking for. RudolfRed (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

How to add/subtract numbers by column in the table?

It was seen here that I will edit something with addition with multiple columns in one row. There were 50 states plus DC, and its 5 territories of the U.S., but how does it work to equal the number in the totals? (Note that it also takes >8 seconds to load this template page and also errors/problems while loading the table's visual editor, since it was repeated and doesn't work).

Also, how to subtract three columns, to equal something in one row (for example,in the same page table, it was total confirmed cases - deaths - recoveries = active cases)?Evan0512 (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Somebody maliciously edits my Dad's Page;

thank you!

Regarding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irv_Docktor

I have and had a great posting on my Dad, irv docktor...it was extensive and true and compiled by a professor friend Brad Verter, PhD and me...somebody does not like the site and has dismantled much of it. I repost it, they dismantle it....is there anything that can be done about malicious editing? thank you Paul Docktor MD 303 523 8700 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:280:4:1213:CCC:C5B2:1B4D:C375 (talk) 03:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Please start a discussion on the article's talk page to get consensus on what material should or should not be included in the article. RudolfRed (talk) 05:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I see no reason to assume malice. Long lists of a subject's works are generally not appropriate in Wikipedia articles. Maproom (talk) 21:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Possible glitch?

I added a space on the Leipzig War Crimes Trials page, as seen [here], but for some reason, it doesn't seem to register that as an additive edit, even though I didn't make any subtraction to cancel it out as far as I can tell. Is this a glitch, or is there a reason it's treated as a "zero" edit? Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 07:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Maximajorian Viridio: You aparently also removed a space from the end of that paragraph, resulting in the size change to be zero. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:14, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft to mainspace

FYI

 – Heading added by Tenryuu.

I was wondering if someone could help me with changing the name of the page titled "Draft:Montana Jacobowitz" to just "Montana Jacobowitz." Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamlillyk (talk • contribs) 08:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Iamlillyk: I have added a AFC draft template to the top of the page. Click the Submit the draft for review! button when you feel you are ready. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref 2

the company is now leading in South Africajj, jami is instant message — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.144.77.68 (talk) 08:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

This appears to relate to Jami (software), but the problem has since been fixed. However, there does seem to be some edit-warring going on, with some IPs on 41.144.85 repeatedly inserting unsourced information about the developers. If that is you, anonymous poster, please discuss this on the article's talk page before inserting it again. Wikipedia needs reliable sources for information. (I have removed the sample image gallery above, as it seemed to have been inserted by mistake). --ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Template html formatting question

Resolved

— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I have a template question for Template:Ars nova and Template:Ars subtilior. I can't get the "Also music theorist*" and "Category" both centered in the middle properly – this is due to my use of navigational arrows to other topics at the bottom, but surely there must be a way to keep the arrows but center the other two items properly? Best - Aza24 (talk) 08:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Request to Move a Page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Child_Heritage_Museum_of_the_1000_Islands)

Hello, Our museum has legally changed its name, but I am new to Wikipedia and have been unable to Move the page myself. Please advise how we can make this name change to our page, so that our Wikipedia page has up to date information on it.

The pages is currently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Child_Heritage_Museum_of_the_1000_Islands We have changed our name from "Arthur Child Heritage Museum" to "1000 Islands History Museum"

Thank you, Samantha, Museum Coordinator IslandsMuseum (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi @IslandsMuseum: please see Wikipedia:Requested moves. And also: Help:How to move a page, may be of interest to you. Seagull123 Φ 17:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done Article is now moved to 1000 Islands History Museum. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

screen size

How do I reduce the screen size? Too large, accidentally.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 18:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)y.

@Dthomsen8: Do you mean the page zoom? Probbably Ctrl+0, but that is essentially browser-dependent. Most browsers also have some Menu UI to change that value. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

In Windows, use CTRL and minus sign, pressed simultaneously.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Fair use rationale

Hi there, I’m hoping for some help with making sure I have included all the necessary details for fair use images. For example, File:Priscilla Jana.jpeg has the fair use information I entered when I uploaded it, all listed under “Media data and Non-free use rationale”, but there’s also an instruction to append a fair use rationale. Should I do it a second time/is there something still missing that I’m overlooking? I want to be clear the image is only being used in one entry. I note there’s also an instruction to patrollers to tick off the “has rationale” box, so maybe it just hasn’t been patrolled? Thanks to anyone who can straighten me out! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done I’ve received guidance at GAN and WiR. Thanks! Innisfree987 (talk) 22:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

How to handle copyrighted pictures of notable figures

What is the most common method for finding images of famous people that are free of copyright? I assume you can't just rip a picture from their instagram because they're assumed to be copyrighted.

Also, for example, would it be enough to get the person to post a picture on social media, then explicitly state that the picture is free for anyone to use? Or is there a larger legal process required?

I checked the copyright FAQ before posting this. --MaferPues (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I’m not sure about the process for their releasing the image but to find already freely licensed images, one place to try is this search engine: https://ccsearch-dev.creativecommons.org/ Be sure to tick the boxes that all modifications and commercial use. Also note you will need to verify the license (eg sometimes Flickr users will upload and license a pic they obviously did not make themselves and therefore cannot license). But it’s a good place to start. Innisfree987 (talk) 19:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@MaferPues: This is a constant problem. The only certain way to get an image is to use a camera and take a picture of the figure yourself. When this is not feasible, next-best way is to positively identify the photographer and get the photographer to explicitly license the image under a compatible license. You may be able to get the subject's agent to do this for you. This mess is caused by the fact that we adhere to copyright law, and copyright law is a horrible mess. Pictures are not "assumed to be copyrighted": they ARE copyrighted (unless they are old enough for their copyright to have expired). The holder of a copyright may may release it into the public domain or or may license it, but either of these requires an explicit written action. -Arch dude (talk) 19:57, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Fees

Does Wikipedia add a processing fee to donation gifts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.164.190.200 (talk) 22:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. You donate to the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), not to "Wikipedia". None of the money you donate goes to the millions of volunteer "editors" who actually create the content of the hundreds of Wikipedias (one for each language) and other Wikimedia projects. Instead, WMF spends the money on the computers and internet connectivity needed to support all those projects and the paid employees (IT staff, etc.) that support it, plus other paid staff, outreach programs, and other expenses. WMF is a non-profit (formally a 501(c)(3) organization) so its annual budget is a matter of public record. There is no "processing fee", but if you pay by credit card or Paypal, the credit card company and Paypal will grab some of the money. -Arch dude (talk) 23:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

When should an actor/actress or a musician get a separate filmography or discography page?

I noticed some individuals have a separate page whereas other individuals with a longer history of work don't. What consitutes as getting a separate page? Is it just the willingness to create one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redroseriver (talk • contribs) 22:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Nope - it's the number of sources available. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, but I'm still a bit confused. Can you please elaborate? What is the difference between Colin Farrell and Michael Fassbender for example? Colin has the longer career, and all of his works have its own Wikipedia article so obviously there are sources to verify them. Why does one have a separate page and the other doesn't? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redroseriver (talk • contribs) 00:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

​I don't think "number of sources" can explain it, since almost all A-list actors have sufficient coverage, a standalone article could be made for most. As far as I have been able to see, pages are split when: 1) The section on the main article has become too long, and 2) Someone is in the mood to split them. So, it's arbitrary. While Wikipedia does have a few short standalone filmography pages, I view them as being unnecessary. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

​I agree, the answer to the question as to why some actors have a separate filmography page is, "because somebody has decided to create one." There is nothing stopping you doing the same for any actor with a substantial career who does not have one. Turner Street (talk) 13:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

TYPO in the number of COVID-19 deaths in the United States

The number of COVID-19 deaths listed on the portal page for the United States is much higher than the number for the entire world including the United States. Since this is impossible, it would seem to be either a typo or vandalism. The number listed is about 10 times the number listed on the page for COVID-19 in the United States. Kent Davis, D.O.

Hello, anonymous editor. Portal:Coronavirus disease 2019 is the page you refer to, I assume? It looks fine to me now.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:56, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Text is not being show on page after a save

Hi Folks. For some reason the edited text I'm putting in is not showing up in the page when I save it. At User:Scope creep/Sandbox B22, the problem seem to be in the Paris section. After the sentence: Perrault reports it was later summer rather than early autumn<ref name="Tyas">. When I add a slash to reference, the text becomes visible. When I remove the slash, the text disappears. Its weird. scope_creep^Talk 23:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, scope creep. It's expected. A <ref> tag must either be paired with a closing </ref> tag, or must itself end with />. When you take out that slash, it is neither, so the parser absorbs everything up to the next terminating ref tag. --ColinFine (talk) 23:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Oh right. I never seen that behaviour so far. Its converted it to a reference. Probably its the first time I seen it happen. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 08:34, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Please stop harassing me

Please stop the trolling.

I give $5 every month to Wikipedia yet I am continually hounded and trolled ... I should not have to "login" to show that I give regularly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6400:451F:AD00:FD2D:3C96:0:71E (talk) 23:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello. In order to remain neutral, there is absolutely nothing anywhere in Wikipedia that knows who has contributed to the Wikimedia Foundation, so there is no way on earth for Wikipedia to know whether this particular user has contributed or not. Even for logged in users, it still has no way of knowing whether they have contributed or not: it just knows if they have told it not to display the banner. For users who have not logged in it knows absolutely nothing about who is connected to that particular IP address at that moment: half an hour ago, that person could have been editing from a different IP address, and a different person could have that address. Remembering your jpreferences is one of the big advantages of having an account, but it can't do it if you don't log in and tell it who you are. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

With an account, you should only be asked to log in once per every 365 days. Not much to ask for, is it?--Quisqualis (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)