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October 7

David M. Eisenberg

Just created this article and I can't fix the "Check date values in" error for reference 5. Help would be appreciated with this. Everymorning (talk) 01:59, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

• @Everymorning: Fixed. The {{cite web}} template doesn't like / in the date parameter. If there is a range you have to use a hyphen (–). --Stabila711 (talk) 02:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Innocent Egbunike

The picture you put up of Innocent Egbunike is not his picture, so please take the picture of and upload his picture. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aajayi58 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

• @Aajayi58: It doesn't seem like there has ever been a picture on that article. So I am a little confused as to what you are talking about. Could you please specify? --Stabila711 (talk) 02:07, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. The image (and other text) before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Collaborative Problem Solving

Hi there, We are having all kinds of problems with the page for Collaborative Problem Solving. That name was involved in a lengthy lawsuit and Dr Ross Greene keeps editing the content in an inaccurate manner and removing all references and links to our work at Think:Kids at Massachusetts General Hospital. We would prefer there be no page than a biased and inaccurate one. Sorry to bother you with this but would appreciate your help! 02:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)02:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.140.32 (talk)

We have articles and base the content on what the third parties say about the subject. We dont really care how you would like to be covered. People with a conflict of interest generally have a very poor ability to view the subject in the appropriate light. If the content is not reflective of the verifiable coverage, that is an issue that should be addressed. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

For convenience: Collaborative Problem Solving (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).--ukexpat (talk) 12:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Statinzyme

Promotional material

Dear Wikipedia, I am the creator and founder of the award winning, patent pending supplemental formula called Statinzyme. It is used to prevent and relieve the side effects associated with Statin and Beta Blocker medications due to "Drug Nutrient Depletion". To learn more about us, please check out our website at www.Statinzyme.com or you can see real pharmacist and pharmacy owner testimonies at www.pharmacyvitamin.com. We need to be included in Wikipedia. Dr. Paul Faerstein is the 2014 Naspa Excellence in Innovation award winner for the creation of Statinzyme. He is a speaker nationwide on the matter of Statin Side effects and has come up with a formula that allows the user to experience the benefits of their cholesterol lowering medications without the side effects. Please watch the carton on our home page for an in depth presentation on how Statinzyme works. Paul Faerstein as well as Statinzyme would like to be included in Wikipedia. Paul Faerstein is a Pharmacist who created Statinzyme. Thank You!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.179.158 (talk) 04:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

• Nobody needs a Wikipedia page. Wikipedia has guidelines on what is notable enough to be included here. Please see the general guidelines for all articles and the general notability guidelines. Wikipedia is not here to promote your product. We require independent sources regarding a product's notability. To be blunt, we really don't care what the company wants to put out about their product as they are usually inherently bias due to their conflict of interest. If you believe you can overcome these obstacles and that your product follows all of these guidelines you can use articles for creation to create your article. Another editor will evaluate your submission and determine if it is right for Wikipedia. However, from a quick Google search I can tell you that it is unlikely that your product is notable enough for inclusion. --Stabila711 (talk) 04:16, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Trioxene

Several months ago I accessed a page under Trioxene dealing with the chemical herbicide designed by ICI industries and used by the British in the Malayan emergency 1953/54. I have been using the info on this page for research and now the page has disappeared off your site. Can you provide any information on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boatlagoon (talk • contribs) 10:54, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

@Boatlagoon: Are you looking for the page Agent Orange ? - NQ-Alt (talk) 11:34, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

No.........page was here, now gone???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boatlagoon (talk • contribs) 11:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

(ec) As far as I can see (and I can not see everything...) Wikipedia has no page named Trioxene. Also the Deletion log says no such page was deleted – the query result is available HERE
Possibly you mean Trioxone ↦ 2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic acid, which was a part of Agent Orange, mentioned above by User:NQ-Alt...? --CiaPan (talk) 11:45, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

No, it is trioxene. Google trioxene malaya and see what I mean. This page specifically mentioned ICI as the designer of trioxene in 1954 and used by the British for defoliation at that time. The term Agent Orange was not coined until the late 70's. So the page you sent me to is wrong also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boatlagoon (talk • contribs) 14:57, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I found this blog, with the comment "Last year I wrote to Wikipedia asking them to explain why their Trioxene site and Agent Orange site differed in tone and content when they were dealing with exactly the same product. Look at Agent orange and see what I mean, hell has visited earth, whereas Trioxene was informative and educational. The Trioxene site now appears to have been removed. If anyone should find it under another heading please inform the blog." The author of said comment is almost certainly mistaken; as said above, we never had an article entitled "Trioxene", but we did and still do have an article for trioxone, a major component of Agent Orange. If you're still sure you once visited a Wikipedia article entitled "Trioxene", try to find it in your browser's history, and pot the complete URL here.

ʍw 16:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

All references to Trioxene in Wiki have been removed since the sale of the name to Vevy chemicals in Italy. They manufacture an anti ageing cream called Trioxene-LV. All references to Trioxene have been replaced with Agent Orange which is historically and factually inaccurate............ anyone want to lay up a new page and what on earth is in the cream?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.185.150.94 (talk) 08:22, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

It's pretty much impossible to remove "all references" to something on Wikipedia; every change to a page is logged in the associated page history, and even when an edit or article is deleted, there are still many records and traces of it to be found (that's why I asked for the original URL of the page you claimed to have visited).

You're right that there isn't a single instance of "trioxene" to be found on Wikipedia; that's because it's almost definitely a misspelling of trioxone, which otherwise meets most of your conditions (defoliant, developed before 1953, used by the British in Malaysia, etc).

And for the record, Trioxene-LV is "Isodecyl hydroxypropane tricarboxylic acid mono ester"; which means it's a bit like ethyl citrate and various compounds in fruits, completely unrelated to defoliants like trioxone. ʍw 17:06, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Issues with Submitting an Article

Hello,

A colleague and I have been trying to have a page about an association added to Wikipedia and it's been deleted twice; first because there wasn't enough "significant" information about the organization for the inclusion in an encyclopedia and the second time was because apparently with the added "significant" information, it was viewed as too promotional.

For the sake of argument, here is a link to a well-known, used to be on a lot of people's shelves here in the US, encyclopedia Britannica which follows a similar format to what was submitted for the association - about the topic, the history, new developments and the like.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/public-health

It is concerning that as an online "encyclopedia" there appears to be a lack of consistency and clarity regarding appropriate content, what gets approved and what edits are permitted. I understand you operate with volunteers, which is commendable, but may also be leading to the fragmentation and hurdles to get reliable information to the general public.

We would be most appreciative of any assistance you could provide.

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.2.32.129 (talk) 15:18, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

You didn't mention the article or organization in question (and linked to the Encyclopedia Britannica article for "public health", which as you can see, we do have an article for); some investigating led me to National Nursing Centers Consortium (deletion log; Google cache for non-admins).

In Wikipedia, WP:Notability not about what you write in the article, but what others, unconnected with the National Nursing Centers Consortium, have written about it in independent, reliable sources, like published books, news, and magazine articles from respectable publishers. My advice to you is to trim down the last section "Work to Advance Nurse-led Care" to only those events which have received coverage in the news or other reliable sources, and combine it with the section "Notable Events" (to remove the advertisement-like section title "Work to Advance Nurse-led Care"), and submit it via the Articles for Creation system, where an experienced Wikipedia editor will either accept it, or leave comments about improvements that should be made, rather than delete it. ʍw 15:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Also see the advice left by the reviewing administrator, User:DGG, on the talk page of the account that created the article, User_talk:Nurseledcare#Status and Advice.

ʍw 17:13, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

needs help siting same source multiple times

Hi, I'm working on an article and I would like to cite the same source multiple times throughout my article. I read that I must create a ref name and then I can simply use that to refer to a source many times. I know how to include a source. I don't now how to create the ref name that will be connected to the same source. Please explain. Here is an example, This is my source

This is how I incorrectly tried to use the ref name feature <ref name=Cinnabar>[http://cinnabar.com/about/ ''About Cinnabar''], Los Angeles. Accessed September 30 2015</ref name=Cinnabar>

My thought process what that next time I want to use this source, I simply use <ref name=Cinnabar> </ref name=Cinnabar>

This is the site I need help with. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Cinnabar_California,_Inc.&action=edit

Selene — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selenecjimenez (talk • contribs) 15:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

References

You'll find the process described at Wikipedia:REFB#Same reference used more than once. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

And as a quick hint here... You got the first one right, but for the next and later times, you can use <ref name=Cinnabar/> Naraht (talk) 16:18, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Draft:Delton Lorenzo Hudson

Reference help requested. Could someone kindly help me fix this error? I went on an error info page, but it is so long and complicated that it makes m!y head spin! Thanks Del Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorzendel2 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

This has been answered at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#‎References of Letter/ Notes. Thanks, --Rubbish computer 18:56, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Edward Galloway change of article title

There is an article call Edward Galloway about a soldier killed at the beginning of the American Civil War. The soldier's name was actually Edward Gallwey. The US army record at the National Archive provides name, date of death, location and cause, so the information can be validated. However, I have never changed an articles title before. I believe I create a new article with the correct name and transfer the text? Not too sure so will not move forward until I have instructions or help. Any suggestions? Sidpickle (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

No. That is not correct. In order to change the title of an article, the article must be moved to the new title. Dismas|^(talk) 20:50, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

That said, the sources listed in the article currently disagree on the spelling of the man's name. This might be worth discussing on the talk page before any move is made. Dismas|^(talk) 20:54, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, I subsequently read the instruction manual and realise about the move button. However, rather than move I have just included an additional paragraph in the article to cover the name variations and added a citation link to the U.S. Army, Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 available on Familysearch and included a link to a newspaper article on his brother who was killed in 1863 at Port Hudson. So I will leave the move to a later date or to others who may feel inclined. Many thanks for comments.

Sidpickle (talk) 08:29, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sidpickle - As there is some confusion, I have created the page Edward Gallwey as a redirect to Edward Galloway - anyone looking for the Gallwey spelling will, therefore, be automatically redirected to the Galloway article - Arjayay (talk) 08:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks, good solution. Sidpickle (talk) 10:27, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Content not visible

Hi-

I've recently come back to a group that I was involved with for years.

Many of the folks that were relied upon for tech help have gone away. The wiki has been one of the glues that hold the group together.

None of the pages are visible, although if one looks at history / source, all of the data appears to be there.

Any guidance is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobus Loki (talk • contribs) 22:10, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Can you provide more information? A link to the page(s) that you are talking about would be very helpful. -- GB fan 22:13, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

http://shireroth.org/shirewiki/Main_Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobus Loki (talk • contribs) 00:03, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

@Jacobus Loki: This is a help desk for Wikipedia, one of thousands of wikis powered by the MediaWiki software. Your wiki is unrelated to the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia. mw:Project:Support desk is a general help page for MediaWiki. You can try asking for help there. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia, not Shirewiki. We have no control over Shirewiki. JIP | Talk 04:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)