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October 24

Looking for someone to produce our article

We are wishing to produce a wikipedia article on our new type of branded commercial weightloss diet. We have produced some draft information influenced by the Weight Watchers article. Our misssion is to give government regulators and researchers a place to go to to get non commercialised information.

Our proud mission is to help stop the global obesity epidemic very honestly. As we have no experience with Wikipedia article production we are wondering if their is anyone that would produce it with our assistance? Mayfair101 (talk) 01:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

First, realize that Wikipedia is not an advertsing or promotion outlet. If your topic meets the guidelines for being notable (see WP:N), then you can request an article at WP:RA RudolfRed (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Uc Merced school colors def.

What do uc Merced school colors represent and there history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.131.221 (talk) 02:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.. Also the article at UC Merced would be a good start, and it looks like all the UC schools have Blue and Gold as their colors. RudolfRed (talk) 03:24, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Political bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Comparison_of_United_States_presidential_candidates,_2012_(2nd_nomination)

Wikipedia is effectively being used to promote presidential candidates from two political parties while ignoring candidates from other parties. This is a clear political bias. The article in question has been nominated for deletion twice, with a large majority of people voting to delete it, and yet it is not being deleted (not being changed to include the other candidates). The fact that the article remains over the protests of most who want to delete it indicates an intention to perpetrate the bias on the part of Wikipedia.

Please delete this article now. If it doesn't get deleted, don't be upset when people start spreading the word about Wikipedia promoting political bias--and start using that bias to get Wikipedia URLs banned from public computers in institutions required by law or by institutional policy to maintain political neutrality.

98.214.33.57 (talk) 04:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I would tell you to post at the Article for deletion discussion, but I see you already have. Arguments there and not here will influence the deletion. In order to give time for discussion, however, the deletion discussion will probably go on for a week. —teb728 t c 04:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

How to reply to coment on Reference desk

I'm a newbie, just registered. I posted a question on a Reference Desk page. Someone responded indicating that he/she has some knowledge of the subject. I'd like to reply. How do I continue the thread? I clicked on the edit link but what to do wasn't clear to me. Easy, I'm sure, but not until one knows how. ?? Curious in NYC (talk) 06:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Click on the [edit] link next to the relevant section heading, and you should see an edit window containing just that thread. Add your comment at the bottom, using colons to indent your reply; then click the "Save page" button as you did here. If you click the [edit] link here you will see the formatting of my reply. See Help:Using talk pages for more - the help/reference desks use the same conventions as regular talk pages. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

(EC) Just click the [edit] link to the right of the subject header for your question. On the edit screen, each indentation level is created by a colon (:) at the beginning of the line. Go to the bottom of the section, type as many colons as the answer above plus one, and there you go. It is a good idea to preview your post to make sure you got it correct before finalizing it by clicking Save page.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 06:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) To continue a conversation (like I am doing now, for example), create a new line, type a colon (:) and start typing! Colons are used for indentation – to keep posts organized. Each colon creates a deeper level of indentation. Here is the code example how this is done:

== Question title ==
Your question
:My answer
::Your next question
:::My next answer

And so on...

Finally, welcome to Wikipedia and I hope you will want to stay! If you have any further questions, feel free to post them here, at the Teahouse (a place for beginners), or on my talk page. –– Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 07:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Hebrew: Giv'at

Hi. Please refer relevant users to Talk:Givat where I've now left a note towards the re-spelling of some mistakefully scripted pages. Regardz, 37.46.40.167 (talk) 10:24, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

If you think any of these pages are misnamed, please see Wikipedia:Requested moves for how you can go about renaming them. --BDD (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I have replied on that page (disagreeing with you). But I'm not sure why you posted here. Is there something you want help on? --ColinFine (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Redacting edit summaries

What is the procedure for requesting redaction of edit summaries that contain personal attacks? Roger (talk) 10:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Ask your friendly neighbourhood admin. What's the diff? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Posted to your talk page - no need to advertise the insults to the entire world here. Roger (talk) 11:20, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Hidden categories on my user subpage

I just noticed that a user subpage of my main account, which has user warning templates, is part of ten hidden categories that group pages with some warning templates, like spam and advertising warnings. It isn't really necessary for a page like that to be in these categories, so how do I go about removing the page from them? A sinking boat (make me float!) (Floating Boat's alternate account) 12:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Remove all the categories like [[Category:User talk pages with Uw-advert1 notices|{{PAGENAME}}]] from the page. Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Did it for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

... or if you want the category links to remain without placing the page in the category, change [[Category:User talk pages with Uw-advert1 notices]] to [[:Category:User talk pages with Uw-advert1 notices]]. The preceding colon makes the difference. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, all of you! A sinking boat (make me float!) (Floating Boat's alternate account) 13:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk page creation/assess

I need some suggestion on adding talk page headers of (my) newly created articles. I generally don't add talk page headers after creating an article. Any tool, script, gadget to quickly do it or I need to manually type.. {{Wikproject India|importance=low|class=stub|bengal=yes etc --Tito Dutta (talk) 12:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

That is a WikiProject template, not a Talk page header, as far as I know you can only add it manually. Roger (talk) 13:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Ya, {{Talkheader}} etc too! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:31, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

{{Talk header}} is for use on pages with discussion issues; see the documentation. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

What does "Userfy" mean?

Today (October 24 2012) I came across, on a section of Wikipedia, the suggestion that an article should meet with the response of "Userfy". This sounds to me as if it is a neologism created for Wikipedia, but I am just curious to know that "Userfy" means - thank you in advance for any response. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It means moving the article to Userspace - thus making it an "unpublished" draft. This is done in the case of articles that are not good enough to be on Wikipedia but the problems are not so serious that the article should be deleted - the implication being that the problem(s) can be fixed. See WP:USERFY. Roger (talk) 14:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for you very quick response, much appreciated! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

For future reference, if you are looking for information on a term that looks as if it has a meaning specific to Wikipedia, it is worth using the Wikipedia search and remembering to specify "Help and Project pages", as in this example. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:06, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:G lists some wiki jargon. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 17:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Paul B. Huff

On the article for Paul B. Huff, I wanted to correct the spelling for the name of the cemetery where he is buried. It should be "Hilcrest" with one "l". My reference is a photograph of the entry to the cemetery that is found at the website FindAGrave.com cemetery listing for Bradley Co, Tennessee. I've messed it up by thinking it would be easy to edit, but now I can't click on anything to correct my mess. If someone could make the correction for me, it would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.12.253.66 (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Fixed - David Biddulph (talk) 16:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism ?

I have reverted some recent edits to The Legend of Dragoon by 205.189.94.11 as vandalism; but now I'm not so sure as looking back at the article history over the last couple of months and this IP address (or similiar) has made lots of changes to this article; many have been reverted as unprofessional/vandalism but others have been allowed to stand. Anybody know what to to do about this ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 16:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you have anything to worry about. I looked over your edits, and you haven't done anything wrong. I'm not really sure what this IP is doing, but he or she is at least engaging in unintentional vandalism, such as blanking the reflist. Don't assume all of the IP's contributions will be vandalism, but again, you're not doing anything wrong. A look over the IP's talk page confirms that for me. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

You can apply for the rollback feature, which allows you to revert all recent revisions by the same user. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 18:19, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Just an FYI - Over the last day or two some edits suffered from a bug that caused large chunks of articles to dissapear when editors save their edits - in few cases I saw everything except the section that the editor was working on had vanished. So these deletions were not intentional. Roger (talk) 10:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

corrupted page

Someone has horribly corrupted the page on the Slinky. I am not sure why some sick individual would do this. Can it be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.120.231 (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry; it was vandalism that has now been reverted. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 17:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Using references that require a subscription

I know we should try to avoid using references where a subscription is required per WP:PAYWALL. However, if the source is subscription only, can/should we use a quote from the source to help readers with an idea of the source tells us? Astronaut (talk) 17:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

You can always use sources which exist behind a paywall without restriction. If two identical or equivalent sources exist, you can and should always include the free source along side the pay source, but there is no prejudice against using a pay-only source if no free equivalent exist. It is the exact same status as print-only sources: if available and equivalent, you can and should include links to online sources, but if not, print-only (and pay-only) sources are perfectly legitimate and perfectly fine. WP:PAYWALL says absolutely nothing at all about avoiding such sources: it says "The principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources: some online sources may require payment, while some print sources may be available only in university libraries." In other words, you are under no proscription against using paywalled sources. If you need to access such a source, use WP:REX which is designed exactly for that reason. Short, demonstrative quotes are allowed from any source, where necessary to demonstrate or illustrate a concept. These quotes can appear (with proper attribution) either in text, in a "notes" section, or alongside the specific footnoted reference between the "ref" tags as you see fit, and as the situation calls for. I have included quotes in all of those situations, as needed, and it often isn't directly related to the existance (or not) of any paywall. --Jayron32 17:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Elliott Museum

Having trouble updating our page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Museum. I submitted extensive revisions which were then "undone" by some Bot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisadjahed (talk • contribs) 18:19, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

You deleted a large portion from the article in this edit without mentioning any reason in edit summary, that's why the edit got reverted! --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Why do you call it "your" page? It's a Wikipedia page, no-one owns it. If you are connected with the Elliott Museum, you should read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Maproom (talk) 19:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Please see WP:Articles for deletion/Elliott Museum, the article fails to demonstrate notability. Roger (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

As I indicated on the AFD, I think it can be salvaged. Significant mentions in both the Local newspaper and one in Orlando.Naraht (talk) 14:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Morton Gould

I am Morton Gould's daughter and would like to change the photo that's being used on his page. I've already edited the text but have a much better photo of him. Please advise as to how I can do this. Thanks for your attention to this. Abby — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbbyGB (talk • contribs) 20:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

See the instructions at WP:Donating copyrighted materials#Donating your photographs. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:36, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia only accepts files that are under a free license. If you did not take this photo yourself, please verify the photographer wishes to release the file under a free license, such as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. If you took this photo or if the photographer wishes to release it under a free license, upload the largest version to the Wikimedia Commons. There you can select the license you wish to release the file under. Once it's been uploaded, copy the file's name (such as "File:Example image.jpg") and edit the article's page and look for the image that's currently on the page, in this case it's [[File:Morton Gould.jpg|thumb|Morton Gould]] Replace the name of that file ("File:Morton Gould.jpg") with the name of your file. Scarce2 (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyright

I posted a sentence from Ability magazine and it was deleted because it was a word for word copy of a sentence from the website. Isn't it okay to do this if I cite the source right after the end of the sentence?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbeavers77 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

No, that's the point of copyright, so that content may not be reproduced without permission. The purpose of citing sources is so that statements may be easily verified. Scarce2 (talk) 21:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Instead, give us the same information and the same citation, but give us the information in your own words. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually you are allowed to quote directly from a work under certain circumstances, provided the quote is not extensive, is clearly identified as a quote, and is properly cited. But the guidelines are quite restrictive and you must comply fully with them. See Wikipedia:Quotations. - Karenjc 23:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Renaming an article

Hi, I wanted to put a new article (my first one) on wikipedia by the name 'chuquisengo'- after doing this I wanted to add a new one with the full name of the same person 'juan jose chuquisengo' and copied the former text - this was automatically deleted. I'd like to know how can I delete the first article in order to keep only with the full name (I will then edit it with all the corrections they told me to do), thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjcho (talk • contribs) 21:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I have added a header to this section, to separate it from the previous question.

If I have understood your question, what you want to do is to rename an existing article. To rename an article, click on a downward-pointing triangle in the tabs at the top, and use the "Move" option that appears. Maproom (talk) 21:58, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It is now at Juan Jose Chuquisengo with a redirect at its former place, but it needs much work.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 00:48, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Vienna

My newly published novel, 'The Tatra Eagle' ISBN-13: 978-1780995229 covers then entire Battle of Vienna with well researched depth - from both English and Polish historical texts. Would it be appropriate to at a citation for this and, if so, how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.245.241.122 (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

References need to be "reliable sources", you can see the guideline for this at WP:RS. If your work qualifies, you can learn how to add references to an article at WP:RFB. But, since you are the author, that may not be a good idea. You can instead add a suggestion to the article's talk page for another editor to consider using your book. See WP:COI for guidance on dealing with a conflict-of-interest. RudolfRed (talk) 23:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I can't imagine a novel being a reliable source for a historical event. But it probably would helpful if you cited the sources you found in your research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TEB728 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)