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March 27

Contributing from a Business

Hello,

I have recently tried several times to get a Wikipedia account for David Gallaher. He is a knowledgeable and well respected member of the martial arts community and his knowledge on subjects such as heatlh and fitness are vast. However, prior to this account, after we attempt to create various articles or provide information in the account profile about David, the account is deleted citing reasons which essentially say that we are advertising David's Martial Arts school. This is not our intent; what we would like to know is how can we contribute to and create articles in a way that will not be considered advertising? It is difficult to separate the school or David's biographical information (one of the accounts was deleted citing that we were trying to promote David and in essence his school as well) from his articles because it is where his knowledge and training come from and how it remains applicable in every day life. How can we go about this?

Best Wishes, Synthia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gungfuins (talk • contribs) 00:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You seem to have a WP:COI and thus it would not be possible to write such an article by yourself. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 00:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You could add him at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biography/By profession#Boxers.2C martial artists and wrestlers, although there is no telling when it would be created. Any previously deleted article receives heightened scrutiny during attempts to recreate it. Dru of Id (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You've used account when you mean article. I'm presuming you mean the David Gallaher with the Gung Fu Institute of Fort Myers, Florida, which sets off alarm bells with your user name. For words to avoid, see Wikipedia:Wikipuffery. Dru of Id (talk) 01:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

A good start would be to find the multiple independent reliable sources which discuss David Gallaher and which can establish hist notability. With those, it is possible to write an article about him, but everything in it must be referenced to reliable sources, and it must be written in a neutral tone, which is probably very difficult for you to do, because of your conflict of interest. Dru of Id's suggestion is probably the best one, but if you do the detective work and find the references that will make it easier for somebody disinterested to come along and write the article. If you can't find the references, then I'm afraid he is not currently notable by Wikipedia's criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have just had a pretty thorough search for reliable, independent sources. This (which I can't read in its entirety) is the only valid source I could find; on its own it isn't sufficient to prove notability. It may well be that Sifu Gallaher simply doesn't meet the notability standards. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

no references

My page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Rice lacked references and was going to be deleted. i have put what i hope are appropriate references and external sources on. can you please confirm they are adequate and, if not, give a further indication of what is expected. Jumgrant (talk) 06:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

No. The telegraph and FT reviews just mention him in passing. The Observer has a couple of sentences about him, and would be a useful reference in conjunction with others, but in my opinion it is not enough on its own. You need to find independent reliable sources which have written significantly about him in order to establish that he is notable.

Also, the references need to be inline, attached to the particular facts that are being stated: see WP:Referencing for beginners. Since this is a biography of a living person, every piece of information in it should be referenced to a published source. --ColinFine (talk) 09:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Those references are fine to verify the facts they mention, but you also need to establish notability by finding multiple independant reliable sources about Mr. Rice himself. - 194.60.106.17 (talk) 07:25, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Nominating article for deletion

Hello, i need help in nominating article Veilig Rijen for deletion. TheGeneralUser (talk) 07:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Instructions are at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have seen the page already before, but i haven't carried out the Deletion process before and it would be very helpful if someone else who already knows the process could kindly do it and after that explain the process to me. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 08:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You can use Twinkle, a useful program which, among other functions, can help you with the deletion process.--Hallows Aktiengesellschaft (talk) 09:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Category Request: Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile

Hello. The category I proposed, Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile, has been accepted. But there is still a problem. The category needs a clean up from Category Request: Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile to Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile, so the same but without the "Category Request: ". For the moment, it doesn't work when I had Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile to an article. Many thanks in advance for your help. Kind Regards. 78.239.175.7 (talk) 09:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

For information, it still doesn't work. The final name should be Category: Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile instead of Wikipedia:Category: Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile. 78.239.175.7 (talk) 09:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I created Category:Alumni of the École nationale de l'aviation civile. Please check that everything is ok, I did delete a few pages with the wrong titles.--Commander Keane (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I think everything is ok. Thank you very much for your help. 78.239.175.7 (talk) 10:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Religion, reference to United Reformed Church

Just for clarification. The United Reformed Church was an original amalgamation of Congregationalists and EnglishPresbytarians in 1972. There are Scottish Presbytarians but they are not part of the union. I believe the Churches of Christ followed later, but that needs confirmation from someone else87.115.139.168 (talk) 11:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Which page do you think needs clarifying? The "Origins and history" section of the United Reformed Church article begins "The United Reformed Church results from a union of the Presbyterian Church of England...", which seems to cover your point. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Somali National Demcoratic Reform Party. A newly founded reform-minded political party led by Dr. Khalif M. Duale

Sir, would you please edit in the above mentioned information in the Somali Political Parties list section — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalifhadji1 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles can only include information that has been published in reliable sources such as books, journals and respected news websites. A Google search for "Somali National Democratic Reform Party" only returns one page - this Help desk - so it seems that the new party hasn't been picked up by the media yet. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

About a created page

I have created a page List of Commercial Developments by Prestige Group but its not showing in the list of articles i have created..whats the problem in that ?? Thanks Sayowais 13:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

These lists are currently out of date because of a technical issue. Be patient - another few days and they should be correct again. There's more detail at Village pump (technical). -- John of Reading (talk) 13:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

proposed redirect

Is there a template with which to tag a stub to propose that it becomes a redirect? I haven't been able to find one.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I was unable to find a template for this, so I created a new one. It is at Template:Stub redirect. Is that like what you want? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Brilliant. Thanks.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Creating an article, unsure on title choice and if content can be seen as advertising

Hi,

my name is Glenn Ivar Husom and I am part of a group in a course at the University of Oslo where we are tasked with masking an article for Wikipedie with high likelyhood of surviving.

My group has chosen the topic "Tracking of third party webtrackers"/"Tracking of webtrackers".

Wedo however, have a few questions. For a title on such an article, would one of our two example work? And also, if one for example searches for "tracking" on wikipedia, Tracking(webtracking) appears under technology. How would our article fit under this?

And last, Ghostery and Collusion are two articles that deliver this kind of service. Ghostery already has an article on wikipedia, but Collusion does not, as far as we could find. What we want to know is if we can mention these two applications in our article without it beeing seen as advertisement for said applications.

We have been given good references by a person from The Data Inspectorate here in Norway, so we hope that will help the survivability of our article.

Hope you can help with any answers to our questions, and if you have any more tips, those will be most welcome as well.

Sincerely,

Glenn Ivar Husom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.33.50 (talk) 16:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I would think Comparsion of web trackers may be what you are looking to create? You could set it up as a table comparing features, and if all the ones you can find are on the table, it wouldn't be advertising. Comparison of video converters is a sample of one.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Asking a question in Japanese

Can someone who knows Japanese help me follow up on an usurp request? I just want to ask what the progress is, since there have been no comments since 6 March, and I want to know whether the usurp will be allowed or not. Cheers! — madman 16:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Clarification: I'd just like something I can copy and paste. Cheers! — madman 21:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I dropped a note on the talk page of a user who was incredibly helpful when I was writing an article on a Japanese subject. Can't guarantee he'll act on it or is around to see my post, but he is active.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

No progress. There is a transfer request on JP Madman's talk page under the date of Feb. 27, but no reply so far. The request says if there's no reply within a set period of time, the name Madman would be transferred to the requester. I do not know much about usurpations. I bet two ja speaking admins, User:Hoary and User:Nihonjoe would be your big help. Oda Mari (talk) 05:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Talking to Nihonjoe is an excellent idea and I shall do so; thanks! I was able to ascertain the above with the help of Google Translate, but I assumed that the set period of time has passed by now (I think I read somewhere on ja.wp that it was two weeks). Cheers! — madman 15:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Page written as advertisement and contains buzzwords

The Agility Logistics page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agility_Logistics) is marked as being written like an advertisement and containing a large number of buzzwords. I would like to correct this. Can you cite examples on the page so I have a better idea as to what to correct? Thanks. Pcr31415 (talk) 17:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ultimately, the problem is the overall tone. For example: "From 1996 onward, Agility has grown rapidly through organic growth and acquisition of other logistics companies." In addition to being redundant ("grown... through organic growth"), this is essentially puffery. Here are a few other concerns:

• Much of the article is in the present tense. We seek to document what has happened, not what is or will be happening. Besides, much of it is referring to past events and logically ought to be in the past tense anyway.
• Many of the sentences are vague and possibly opinion rather than fact.

I'll echo this. For example, the lead states "the company specializes in emerging markets and 'challenging environments.'" Meaningless jargon like "challenging environments", and "offer solutions" should be avoided.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 17:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Unless it's talking about the answer to an equation, or about a solute dissolved in a solvent, the appearance of the word "solutions" is one of the deadliest giveaways that what you're reading is promotional language and violates neutral point-of-view. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

• The controversy section is quite short, although it does not suffer from vagueness. It should ultimately be integrated into the main prose, but for the time being it really needs more detail.

If you are affiliated with this company, please read our guide to working within a conflict of interest. I think it will be helpful in the long run. --NYKevin @755, i.e. 17:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

How to post copy write material after permission has been granted.

Hi, how do I get allowed to post copy write material. I have permission from the company to use material from their website. How do I get permission from Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tingyo (talk • contribs) 19:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Follow the process set out at WP:IOWN to forward the permission. Note though that material from a company's website is likely to fall foul of our guidelines on neutral point of view and/or promotion.--ukexpat (talk) 20:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Please note there is a difference between copyright and copywriting. -- 194.60.106.17 (talk) 07:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Sortable table

How do I make the List of Merlin Award recipients into a "sortable" list? I also need help to format it as a table. Llama's Koala (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I hope that another editor will finish my work to make it into a sortable table because I don't have the time to wok on this right now. Llama's Koala (talk) 20:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

List of transclusions?

What is the best method to locate and list all articles into which a specific template is transcluded? Thanks in advance for all advice. Meclee (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Go to the page for the template and click "What Links Here". Or on a more technical level, you can do the equivalent like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:North-American_Interfraternity_Conference .Naraht (talk) 21:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

My Own?

Why am I not allowed to view my own deleted contributions? Interchangeable|talk to me 21:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

That is a power only given to admins. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I figured as much, but why is this power given only to administrators? What harm would there be if I saw all my own edits that have been deleted? Interchangeable|talk to me 21:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, one might be that if a newer user has an article they created deleted, they'd just be able to access the deleted article and more or less restore it quite easily. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

A user who actually wanted to recreate one of their articles that had been deleted would just rewrite it. And furthermore, if they did recreate it either by your method or mine, it would be speedily deleted under criterion G4 anyway. So that's not a valid rationale. Interchangeable|talk to me 22:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Eh, it was just a thought. That's why I put the "might" in there. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

What's more, you'd also be able to see other people's deleted contributions indirectly. Imagine if a rather high-profile article with more than ten thousand edits were deleted as a copyvio — such a page would likely have been edited by thousands of people, and all of them would still be able to view at least one version of a copyvio. Nyttend (talk) 02:22, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

CSD G4 is only for pages deleted after discussion (XfDs), that is, it is not applicable to anything that was speedily deleted or deleted as a result of proposed deletion. In any event, I think there are good reasons not to allow users across the board to see the content of deleted edits: copyvios; defamatory content; ability to repost crap and spam and those copyvios and attack pages fostered vastly; but I think it would be good if users could see a list of the pages they edited that were deleted.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:32, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I just want to see a list, similar to "My Contributions", of my deleted edits. I don't want to view the pages. Could that feature be created? Interchangeable|talk to me 19:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

You could ask at WP:VPR.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:52, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

etymology is lacking for many entries

etymology......good — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.191.197 (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You want Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. —Jeremy v^_^v ^Bori! 22:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Twinkle rollback links

Anyone know if it's possible to get the twinkle rollback links (Rollback good faith - Rollback - Rollback Vandalism) next to pages on your watch list? Since the regular rollback doesn't prompt for an edit summary I prefer to use twinkle but it's always an extra page load. SÆdon^talk 22:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Twinkle rollback doesn't appear on watchlists, since they are not the original rollback tools. However, I'm not sure of this..... Dipankan says.. ^{("Be bold and edit!")} 15:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

changing false information on for King andCountry

Rebecca St. James brothers are Joel and Luke smallbone,not Joel and Luke St.James. How do I fix their Wikipedia page? 198.108.232.3 (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Done
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 22:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Posting on a talk page

I recently clicked on the "talk" tab of an article because I wanted to make a comment on the article's talk page. There were no existing user comments on the page and no instructions on how to enter a comment. So my question is: exactly how does one make a comment on a talk page -- what does one do, mechanically -- when there are no existing comments and yours is going to be the first?Redound (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Click on the New Section link at the top of the page. This will take you to an editing page where you can title and write your input. This is necessary whenever you wish to add a new section to the Talk page. See Wikipedia:Talk pages
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 22:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

It works just like what you did here! ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 09:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

We cannot see what Redound did but the box at top of this page has a link saying "If you can't find an answer, click here to ask a new question." Talk pages don't have such a link. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Popups anyone?

Resolved

Anyone else on here using popups at the moment? Whenever I currently mouse-over any link to WP:ANI, a very odd image is appearing in popups. Anyone else? Calabe1992 22:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Fixed at ANI. Calabe1992 23:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Uploading an image that is copyrighted

Hello,

I have a logo for a game, and wish to upload it to use it on the games page which I'm creating. I have permission from the owner (as I am a developer) to use the logo for this purpose, but I am so unsure what option to use. Every time I try to upload it the upload button stays blanked out so I have no idea what to do.

Thanks

Darkmantle90 (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, your account needs to be auto-confirmed before you can upload images. That means you need at least 10 edits (this part is done) and be a registered user for at least 4 days. I don't believe that second part has been accomplished. Dismas|^(talk) 03:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You need to understand, however, that Wikipedia does not accept permission for use only on Wikipedia; acceptable permission must allow reuse by anyone for anything. If the copyright owner does not want to grant such broad permission, Wikipedia does accept images without permission under certain limited conditions. A logo used to identify the subject of an article usually fulfils those conditions. The point is that if you are using the non-permission route, don't talk about permission.

But before you spend a lot of time working on an article, however, please read Wikipedia:Your first article. If the game has not already received significant coverage in independent reliable sources, I'm afraid your article will be deleted. —teb728 t c 04:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)