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Multiple Infoboxes

Let's say I want to create an article that fits the scope of two or more infoboxes, for example a bridge on the National Register of Historic Places. Should I use the NRHP infobox or the bridge infobox or both? Thanks in advance! Americanfreedom (talk) 01:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

For your example, see Template:Infobox NRHP#Embedding for how to use both. See Brooklyn Bridge for an example of use. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Do I create draft article in 'user page' or 'sandbox'?

Hello, I'm writing a draft of a potential article (biographical). I don't want it to go for any formal review until I have finished it, although I would welcome people looking at progress and making suggestions/adding things. There is also a conflict of interest issue as I was related to the subject. So do I write it on the 'user page' or make a 'sandbox' page? Or would it be better to just write it in Word and transfer it later? What I don't understand is whether a work-in-progress can be seen by other people, and if so, at what point? There are references to the subject in other Wikipedia articles - the name appears in red - will these become live links to the article-in-progress, or only when or if the article is approved for publication? Thanks TuttiFruttiCherryPie (talk) 02:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Your userpage at User:TuttiFruttiCherryPie should remain about you. A sandbox would therefore be best. You can put it under whatever title you want while you're working on it. So either User:TuttiFruttiCherryPie/sandbox or User:TuttiFruttiCherryPie/John Doe would be fine (replacing John Doe with the subject's actual name). Those links will only turn blue when the article is moved to the main article space. While conflicts of interest are avoided, they aren't totally prohibited. It's just that most people find it hard to write objectively about someone they know. See WP:COI for more on that. While the article is in your sandbox, anyone can see it and edit it. Generally other editors won't touch it unless there is some glaring problem with it that is affecting other main article space articles. Or if you are making claims that you cannot back up with sources. For the most part, editing someone's sandbox uninvited is considered rude. I think that covers everything you asked... Dismas|^(talk) 02:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for your prompt & full reply TuttiFruttiCherryPie (talk) 10:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

All saved edits are immediately visible to everybody but there are places few people will look without being asked. A user subpage like Dismas suggests is possible but for a new user wanting to create an article, I recommend you use Wikipedia:Article wizard instead. It helps you get started and places a noindex tag to avoid search engine indexing of the draft. Click "Create new article draft" and not "Create submission for review" when you get to that choice. Then you can work on the draft and ask for help before submitting for review. Red links in articles will not link to the draft and it will not be in mainspace which is where the "live" Wikipedia articles reside. If your submission is accepted then the reviewer will move it to mainspace where the red links will change to blue links to the new article. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for your reply and this suggestion TuttiFruttiCherryPie (talk) 10:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

ISBN

Most books listed in Google Books, etc. have two ISBN numbers. For example: This book lists ISBN 1576074226, 9781576074220. What is the difference? Which one (or both?) should be used in a citation template? I have usually taken the first one; but I have a nagging suspicion that the existence of two ISBN numbers actually means something. The article International Standard Book Number has not enlightened me. --Amble (talk) 07:07, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ISBN says you should use the second one (the 13-digit one). - Purplewowies (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I had not found my way to that guideline page. It sounds as though 13-digit is technically preferable, but 10-digit identifies the work just as well, and there's no reason to cite both. In that case, I'll go with the 13-digit one from now on. Thanks. --Amble (talk) 18:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Indira Parthasarthy

Please delete the article Indira Parthasarthy as the subject has asked for its deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.1.75 (talk) 08:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

That's a pretty contentious thing here. I'll see what I can do. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 08:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

We would need proof that the person requesting the deletion is in fact the subject and a valid reason for the request. See Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject) for guidance. Roger (talk) 08:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Image provided by a company for use in a press pack

I would like to use an image from a press pack provided on the page: http://www.sjm.com/corporate/media-room/media-kits/patient-conditions-and-therapies/pns-for-chronic-migraine.aspx The company allows use of it if a credit is written below it. The company says on the media relations webpage above "Credit any images and video as follows: Images or video provided courtesy of St. Jude Medical, Inc." I tried uploading it under fair use and ticked the box about it being from a press pack, but it has been rejected. Can this image be accepted under any circumstances? It's a perfect illustration and is free to use if the credit is added. I'd appreciate any advice. Pnsmigraine (talk) 08:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I do not believe hosting of this image is permissible under our fair use policy as it is replaceable by a free equivalent image, either existing or which could be created.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:16, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you told us in which article you want to use the image and what purpose would be served by the image in the article. Otherwise it is impossible to tell whether the use is acceptable under fair use or not. But the image here is unlikely to be acceptable in any article per what Fuhghettaboutit said above. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. The article I would like to add the image to is Occipital nerve stimulation which describes a medical therapy. This picture perfectly illustrates the concept for the reader. I've not been able to find a copyright free image which can replace it Pnsmigraine (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

That image fails NFCC#1 because it is theoretically possible to create a free equivalent. WP:NFCC is quite restrictive when someone with the necessary skills and tools could be expected to create a free equivalent that would serve the same purpose. That seems to be the case here, so I am sorry, I fear a use of that image is unacceptable. However you could try to ask the copyright holder to donate the image as described at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

You could ask at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab whether someone over there can create a free image to be used in place of the one from the website. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:49, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Internal consistency error

Hi.

I have trouble seeing, reverting or uploading a new version of File:Windows 8 start screen.png. All attempts yield either of the following error messages:

1.

The file "mwstore://local-multiwrite/local-public/f/f3/Windows_8_start_screen.png" is in an inconsistent state within the internal storage backends

2.

Error generating thumbnail

Error creating thumbnail: convert: no decode delegate for this image format `/a/magick-tmp/magick-XX1PE8VR' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/532. convert: missing an image filename `/tmp/transform_4d7e1e0-1.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/2970.

What's wrong?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 11:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I see it just fine. Maybe it's a problem at your end. FloBo A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 11:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 102#Error when deleting files: "inconsistent state within the internal storage backends". Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:10, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

word pronounciation

Hello Is it possible to create a tool to be able to right click a highlighted word and have it sounded out. I love this site, thank you and all of those involved, for doing a great job. Mike Bruning 12:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)12:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)~ :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeflyer4 (talk • contribs)

Unfortunately we don't have such a feature, but you might be able to request someone create an extension for Mediawiki to do that here (note that this is a separate website, and while the page does state that it's not the best place to make such a request, it's a good launching point to start from), or contact one of the users in this category to make a widget for it. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 15:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)

You look Russian article Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) and understand everything would just like to have the same pictures as well as here but the photo in the frame of change is not necessary! I need help --90.155.142.140 (talk) 13:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Look, we have tried telling you again and again, policy is different here, and the changes you want just don't conform to our policies. Either stop trying, or get a longer block. Mdann52 (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Declined Article

Hi, I submitted an article on the book Believeniks!: 2005: The Year We Wrote a Book About The Mets, by Jonathan Lethem and Christopher Sorrentino. It was initially declined because it was poorly sourced; I added citations listing independent references referring directly to the subject of the article and the claims made in the article, and it was declined again. This time, it was because of the sourcing (which baffles me) and because of the notability of the subject. The book is manifestly notable in that it is a novel written by Jonathan Lethem, who is demonstrably one of the most important (and well-known) writers in America. The sources include a well-known New York newspaper, a well-known magazine, and an online newsletter published by MediaBistro and closely watched by members of the publishing industry. I wrote to the editor and have not heard back from him(?). I would like to know what, exactly, is expected of sources other than independence, relevance, and confirmability. I am also interested in knowing by what standard "notability" is measured if the global renown of the author of the book in question is not sufficient to establish it. Thank you.

69.119.59.55 (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability is not inherited. A notable author can write a non-notable book, just as a non-notable author can write a notable book. The notability of each work is judged separately; see our standards for notability of books. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:19, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Please give us a link to your draft article, we might be able to help you with specific advice. Roger (talk) 18:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I would guess it's Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Believeniks! 2005: The Year We Wrote a Book About the Mets.--ukexpat (talk) 18:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary italic title

Why is the title of Amanda Overmyer in italics when you go to the article? And how do you fix it? 2001:18E8:2:1020:9000:A702:ABA8:C638 (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Because the article includes an infobox about one of her albums, and unless instructed otherwise, {{infobox album}} assumes that the whole article is about an album and should therefore have an italicised title. I have fixed this by adding "| Italic title= no" in the appropriate spot. Thanks for drawing this to our attention. Bencherlite^Talk 15:10, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

family history

Sorry but came onto this site whilst searching family history I was trying to read into some information on baronets and it brought me to this page for access - am I doing something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adette2338 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Cresix (talk) 15:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Churches

Is there a notability guideline regarding churches? The only thing I found along those lines was this discussion. Americanfreedom (talk) 18:32, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Not that I can find, so I think you have to fall back on WP:GNG and WP:N. You may get a better response on the talk page of one of the relevant Wikiprojects such as WP:WPARCH or WP:Christianity.--ukexpat (talk) 18:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

(ec)Churches would rely on the notability requirements for either organisations or buildings but there isn't one for buildings so the general notability guideline applies if the article is of a church "as a building". Roger (talk) 18:49, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Lenzie

Lenzie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi Would it be possible to stop editing to lenzie scout group on the Lenzie page as although an ex scout leader is under investigation by the the police Lenzie scouts are trying to stop it from sticking to their name if it could be stopped the editing of this page the scout group would be very grateful Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.8.56 (talk) 19:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The scout group has a conflict of interest. If it's a notable enough thing to be included in the article, it should be included. There hasn't been persistent vandalism or edit warring that I can see, so there's no reason to protect it just because the scout group only wants positive things about the scout group in the article. - Purplewowies (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

From the source cited: "Police have told parents they have no reason to believe children involved with the Scout group have been the victim of abuse.". As someone with no conflict of interest, I don't think that mention of this incident belongs in the article. If I were planning to visit Lenzie and wanted to know all about it, I would think this police investigation irrelevant. Maproom (talk) 08:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Hydrocephalus article

I'm not a great writer and I don't plan on doing any editing personally.

I am the state chapter director for North Carolina, for the Pediatric Hydrocephalus Foundation. I have a 20 month old little girl living with hydrocephalus.

I absolutely hate the picture of the dead infant on the hydrocephalus page. While death is a very real possibility for those with hydrocephalus, it does not best represent the majority of those who have it in modern times.

I would like this picture to be removed or at least more pictures added of people who are living and thriving while having hydrocephalus.

As a parent advocate, this picture is NOT the first thing I want expectant parents to see when they Google "hydrocephalus" for the first time.

Any help or advice on how to get this changed would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lddewar (talk • contribs) 20:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I suggest expressing your concerns at Talk:Hydrocephalus. Keep an eye on any responses (see WP:WATCH for information about putting the article on your watch list}. It's a medical article; some editors familiar with the medical field may not see the image as a problem, but everyone has a right to express an opinion on Wikipedia. If you find yourself in a dispute, follow the guidelines at WP:DR. Good luck. Cresix (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Lddewar, the photo presents a very skewed image of the condition. Given early intervention and proper monitoring, hydrocephalus has minimal effect on quality of life for the vast majority (who have access to "first world" medical care). Roger (talk) 08:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Frank Pace (TV producer) and multiple issues template and COI

Hello,

I am working on my Bosses page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Pace_(TV_producer). The box at the top that says the page has multiple issues, but I feel that I have fixed them all, except for the part about it being written like a resume. My boss does not want to change the way it is written, so with that said how can make that box go away?

Thanks in advance

TransplantPro (talk) 21:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Your boss does not get to decide what goes in the Wikipedia article about him, nor how it is written. Having said that, you've been doing a fairly reasonable job of tidying it up to comply with Wikipedia standards. I've removed the templates that seem to me to be no longer applicable. It would be wise for you to concentrate on requesting changes on the article's talk page where necessary, rather than continuing to edit the article directly. Hopefully someone else can vet the article for neutrality and tone, then remove the one remaining template that I've left. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

TransplantPro, I think you should read WP:COI to understand the issue here. Cresix (talk) 21:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Two questions about the Chipman NB page

Hi, how can I find out who wrote the page about Chipman, New Brunswick (Canada)?

The reason is I'm looking for someone to write a history of Chipman for the official website, of which I am the webmaster, and that person seems to be the only one who knows anything about it.

Secondly, I have tried to add a link to the official Chipman website on that page, but I can't figure out how to do it. Can you help me?

Thank you.

Gina Bisaillon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mygreenhome (talk • contribs) 21:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia. Click the "View history" tab at Chipman, New Brunswick to see the page history. It shows there are many contributors since the page was created in 2005. I just became one of them by adding an external link to the official website. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I did view the History and saw many contributions, but no real names and contacts for these people. The funny thing is nobody in the village knows who they are either! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mygreenhome (talk • contribs) 22:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and thank you so much for adding the link! -Gina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mygreenhome (talk • contribs) 22:14, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia allows editors to be anonymous and most are. See Help:Using talk pages and Wikipedia:Emailing users for possible ways to contact editors. I often come by an article and edit something I have nothing to do with, like in this case. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the Wikipedia language! Maybe I'll just post an invitation on the village website & see if anyone responds. Thanks! -Gina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mygreenhome (talk • contribs) 23:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The information about the history of Chipman was added to the article by Heather Skedether back in 2009. Heather has made only two edits here—both to that article—and does not have a user page and did not enable Wikipedia e-mail. Do you happen to know anyone named Heather in the village? Deor (talk) 23:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Why not just reuse the Wikipedia text on your website in accordance with the terms and conditions at WP:REUSE?--ukexpat (talk) 00:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Re Heather: I think I have tracked her down and I'm sure she is known here... so thanks for digging that up! -Gina

Re reusing the article: Google frowns upon that sort of thing and even paraphrasing is a no-no. The acceptable alternative is a link to Wikipedia and that's what I've got now but I want to create a separate page with the history, some historical photos, etc. -Gina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mygreenhome (talk • contribs) 01:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Reuse of Wikipedia content is nothing to do with Google. It is permitted by Wikipedia's terms of use, on certain conditions. That is all you need to be concerned about.--ukexpat (talk) 14:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I assume Mygreenhome's concern is not legal but is about being removed or poorly placed in Google search results if Google's software detects that content is duplicated from Wikipedia. See http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359. We have no inside knowledge of Google's algorithms. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Trailers/Teasers in film articles?

Can trailers or teasers be uploaded and added to articles? I came across this video file (a trailer), File:Rebel teaser.ogv which was added to the film article, Rebel (film). I am confused about the licensing of this file and also i don't see how it's contributing to the article either. Please help me understand about this licensing and tell me if such files(trailers) are allowed. Krzna (talk) 23:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Trouble uploading

Some of the images that I have tried to upload to wikimedia today have generated a "Unknown error: "unknown-warning"." message. I can view these .jpg images on my computer in both Windows Explorer and Canon ZoomBrowser EX software. I have tried to upload them four different ways: after downloading the files to my laptop, directly from the camera, from my SD card slot and via an SD card reader. Are there any known current glitches with images being uploaded? I shot the images today with a Canon EOS Rebel T3i.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I have been able to upload two of the problematic files (File:Kenwood Academy sculpture.JPG and File:Obama_first_kiss_monument.JPG) on Wikipedia although they are not uploading on Wikimedia.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Note that the latter has been reduced for FU considerations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know that it's related but see this village pump technical post. They are implementing some new media storage thing and so it's not surprising that things are going wonky for image display and uploading.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

User:LX had an insight for what may be the root cause here, in the discussion over at commons:COM:HD#Trouble_uploading. At first glance it doesn't seem to be related to the Swift backend change. BigNate37_(T) 17:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Problem now understood.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)