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Number of visitors

Is there a way to find out how many visitors have viewed our university's page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.180.126 (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I assume you refer to a Wikipedia article. Click the "View history" tab and then "Page view statistics". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:35, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

IE versus FireFox brower

Why I can log into my Wikipedia account in IE and not Firefox. Firefox makes my user name all lower case, but IE will allow me to capitalize my first and last name. I can only log in with CarolCasey and not carolcasey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarolCasey (talk • contribs) 01:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization of the first letter is optional so CarolCasey and carolCasey are both valid but anything with casey is not. It sounds like you once wrote casey in Firefox which then stored it. See http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-change-passwords. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Organic cotton clothes.

Dear sir/ Madaam I just want to know How Organic Cotton Clothes are better than others, If really these are better for the skin the why the Doctors are not recommending. If Doctors are not aware of it. Then what is the meaning of ORGANIC COTTON CLOTHES. PLEASE REPLY . Regards Rajesh Arora — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.14.177.191 (talk) 05:21, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia. Your question belongs on the reference desk, but medical advice is not allowed. RudolfRed (talk) 06:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Declined AfC submissions

Hi!

I have a question about the procedure now that my article is in the category "declined AfC submissions". Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Caligola (group)

I have edited again, but I don´t see how I can send the article in for review now? Or does my tutor see it anyway? Thanks for your help! Andrea Schweinberger (talk) 06:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Just add {{subst:submit}} to request rereview. Mdann52 (talk) 06:35, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Since you already got a response, I still hope you'll see this, but while you're free to use the references from a German-language Wikipedia article, even if they're in German, you cannot use the article itself as a reference, because the English-language Wikipedia guidelines do not recognize wikis as Reliable Sources (RS), even en.Wikipedia articles themselves. Dru of Id (talk) 06:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to both of you :-) ok then, I´ll see about the sources again. Never thought it would be that complicated. Andrea Schweinberger (talk) 10:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

And one other thing - I am no native speaker, and obviously my writing style was wrong; I´ve rewritten now again, and could you please tell me your opinion, if it´s still too much essay-like? I´m a bit lost. Andrea Schweinberger (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Block me.

I think I will never be editing Wikipedia again with this account.So, I am requesting you to block my account permanently to avoid misuse.BiologyArtist (talk) 07:26, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

See WP:VANISH. Dismas|^(talk) 07:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Jack Brabham

I took several photos of Jack at oulton park, and I would like to get in touch with him some how to give him a copy of them.It will bring back happy memories when he was racing with graham hill, John Surtes etc . Any help would be very much appreciated. John from Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.102.19 (talk) 07:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.. Mdann52 (talk) 10:59, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Title change query

How do you change the title of a page, for example if a company has changed their name and its stated in the main body of content, it would be necessary to change the title/heading as well. Is this possible? Thank youMrs biskit (talk) 08:08, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

See WP:MOVE. -- Roger (talk) 08:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I went on that page and its not clear how to request help to rename title. How can I even post that request? My account only exists one day so probably will not be able to change name my self and require assistance. please advise.Mrs biskit (talk) 08:20, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

As it says on that page: "If you are an unregistered user or registered but not yet autoconfirmed, you may request a page move at Wikipedia:Requested moves". Maproom (talk) 09:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Angela Gregovic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Gregovic

I have a problem with the above referenced page. Ms. Angela Gregovic has listed on her page that Vera Gregovic is her grandmother. This is not true. Vera Gregovic had only one child, Floria Gregovic, on Decemeber 12, 1948. Floria had three children: Vera (1977), Romulus (1979) and Nicholas (1983). These are the only grandchildren of Vera Gregovic. I know this because I am Romulus Gregovic, grandson of Vera Gregovic. I do not know who Angela is or if she is a part of my extended family, but I do know that my deceased mother Floria was an only child due to a hysterectomy that my grandmother Vera Gregovic had in approximately 1954, and that there are no other siblings for Floria Gregovic. The only decendents are Nicholas, Vera, and myself, Romulus. Angela Gregovic is not the granddaughter of Serbian actress Vera Gregovic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregovic79 (talk • contribs) 08:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I see you have deleted the information: that is fine: anybody may delete unreferenced information from Wikipedia pages. I see no evidence that Angela Gregovic herself edited that page, and indeed she would be strongly discouraged from doing so, under Wikipedia's rules on conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Language in Coded Messages

Some links in this section don't work because a name has been changed on request. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

A million thanks to Mdann52 for a excellent job of removing my present name from Google searches. Now, when they hit on my present name, they just get a "run-around." Thanks again! Franklin Paladin (talk) 09:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

New Question. I have tried several times to do the same for my former name. All to no avail. The unfinished Biography had been ripped out of my personal Sandbox and with great clumsiness displayed in a truncated form - three pages were missing at the end. As of today the unwanted "hit" for Google is still there:

QUOTE User:FRANKLIN P/BIOGRAPHY - WikiPedia Mobile by ... wiki.verkata.com/.../BIOGRAPHY_-_PETER_WILLIAM_RAINIERCached You + 1'd this publicly. Undo User: User:FRANKLIN P/BIOGRAPHY - PETER WILLIAM RAINIER .... Peter W, Rainier, who started writing while an emerald miner, continued this from his ... UNQUOTE.

What does this wikipedia coded message mean?: "You + 1'd this publicly. Undo User:" Sounds like someone in Wikipedia really tried to help, once ? How do I get this Biography back into my personal Sandbox and my former name reference erased from Google searches once and for all? Franklin Paladin (talk) 09:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

The quoted Google result is from http://wiki.verkata.com/en/wiki/User:FRANKLIN_P/BIOGRAPHY_-_PETER_WILLIAM_RAINIER. We don't control http://wiki.verkata.com. They scrape our pages but are not affiliated with us. Apparently they don't respect the noindex tag on Wikipedia pages. Google respects noindex so you don't see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FRANKLIN_P/BIOGRAPHY_-_PETER_WILLIAM_RAINIER in Google's search results. The correct noindex code for Wikipedia is __NOINDEX__ as displayed here and not as written in the source of this edit. Your code in [1] is incorrect but it doesn't matter in this case because __NOINDEX__ is already added by {{Userspace draft}}. If User:FRANKLIN P/BIOGRAPHY - PETER WILLIAM RAINIER was deleted then maybe the copy would eventually disappear from Google's index. Would you like the page deleted? Can you confirm this by logging in as the page creator User:FRANKLIN P and request deletion? This help desk is indexed by Google and will soon show up in Google searches on "FRANKLIN P". Would you like that prevented by hiding all occurrences of the name in this discussion? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter (talk) for your fast and really hopeful response. I Franklin Paladin was the true owner of the Peter W. Rainier Biography. So,yes, please delete the page: User:FRANKLIN P/BIOGRAPHY - PETER WILLIAM RAINIER as you offered and yes, please fix the talks in the help Desk so that both my names, past and present are erased or deleted as you suggested. Many thanks.Franklin Paladin (talk) 19:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I have deleted the discussed userspace page and shortened all occurrences of the name on this page to Franklin P. The change breaks links. The section before the change can be seen at [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Dear PrimeHunter: You do good work and the former references are now null for Google Surfers. There is a December 2011 help Desk item and also one from 17 March 2012 that cite the defunct name but I can live with them. The best part is that the following internet address which was provided as a cross-reference in another Person's Biography is now "off the air." QUOTE Http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FRANKLIN PANGBORN/Biography - Peter William Rainier UNQUOTE Now, when one "hits" on this address, he or she gets the same null result as your colleague Mdann52 fixed it up for User:Franklin Paladin. A million thanks to you both !Franklin Paladin (talk) 12:28, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Is there any way to see "Feedbacks linked" or "Related feedbacks" just like Special:RecentChangesLinked.

I just saw that my watchlist now contains an option named Feedback from my watched pages », just under the page title, to go to feedbacks of those articles. But I have moved many articles from my watchlist to a user-subpage so that I can use it as another watchlist through Special:RecentChangesLinked. What should I do to see the feedbacks on pages with links on a particular page (Analogous to Special:RecentChangesLinked). This would have been very helpful for WProjects as they could monitor the feedbacks and take immediate actions on articles. ···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 10:06, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

That's a really good suggestion :). I'm adding it to the to-do list, but I'm not sure when we'll be able to get to it (development on new features rather than on fixing bugs is ending soon). There is a feature that allows you to see feedback from pages you've watchlisted, if that's helpful? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

If you are referring to Special:ArticleFeedbackv5Watchlist, then it wouldn't help me unless I put every article on a particular WProject to my watchlist. So each member of particular WProject must put every article on their watchlist in order to see feedbacks and take actions collaborately.

But, creating a special page for related feedbacks will not help all WProjects as this would require creation of a page that lists all the articles of the particular WProject. Hence, for helping all the WProjects we will have to create a tool similar to the external watchlist. But can such a tool be technically feasible for feedbacks? So a Special:RelatedFeedbacks page would be of great help. ···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 17:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we can fit it into this release; we're coming up on the end of development :(. But I can certainly put it on the to-do list for the next one! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking this into account. I will be waiting for the next version then. In the mean time I will spend my time by hovering the mouse over the various graphs in FeedbackDashboard data dashboard :D (Isn't it entertaining to watch by rhythmically moving the mouse over it? I don't have Do nothing grinder yet :)

My special thanks to Benzband and Titodutta for their invaluable help which others might not see here ···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 11:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

footballer

I would like to be aprofessional footballer what can I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.201.234 (talk) 10:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.

can i request a spi on myself?

can i request a spi on myself because a ip user keeps saying i am someone else on wikipedia to because of a content dispute and their say im that user as well so rather clear my name and prove to the i user i aintAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 12:31, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Short answer is no. Checkuser is only to be used when there is reasonable evidence of sockpuppetry. It isn't for "clearing your name." I would advise the IP to either gather the evidence to request a checkuser or drop the allegations as they are a form of personal attack. Valenciano (talk) 13:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

there no signs they will drop the allegations and they have been warned before guess i will need to take it to AN, thanks for the repsonse--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 14:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

likeness law

In the U.S., for use in Wikipedia, what is the law (apart from copyright or trademark) on using an image of a living person who may be recognizable to a third party but who may not have consented to the use, including commercial use (Wikipedia or maybe Wikimedia requires that licensing not exclude commercial use), of their likeness, who may not be a public figure, where the image is to be used other than for an article about that person (it may be used in an article about an organization or a product), and where it may be possible for someone unknown to interpret the image and its context as an endorsement of the organization or product by person/s in the image?

Further, unless the law completely bars such use for a likeness of an adult anyway, is the law more restrictive where the person may be a minor or incompetent or may be under age 13 or as young as approximately age 4?

If news or some other noncommercial use is permissible, do all of the pages in Wikipedia qualify?

If personal consent or the consent of a parent, guardian, or custodian is required, how is consent to be established? For example, is it to be postally mailed to a Wikimedia Foundation office?

I don't know whether an image is made where privacy is expectable. I assume privacy is not of concern where consent exists, even if the consent is obtained after the image is made. But if consent is not required, where is privacy expectable (or, if easier to address, where is privacy not expectable)?

Can a caption solve the problems?

I previously discussed this at Wikimedia Commons. Because they address Commons, providing the image to Commons is not problematic and there's no issue with use until someone copies or links from Commons to elsewhere, so it was suggested that I ask where use is contemplated, which, in this case, is in English Wikipedia.

I'm inclined to caution in this matter, meaning I'd rather not use an image if it might violate the law, rather than go to the law's limit. But an image with people would be nice to use.

This looks burdensome and I wish it weren't. Perhaps I could use the reply to post guidance somewhere on a Wikipedia page, since something like it seems to be missing.

Thank you. Nick Levinson (talk) 14:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC) (Corrected link and conformed other text: 14:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC))

Legal questions should be directed directly to the Wikimedia Foundation itself, use information at Wikipedia:Contact us for more. If you wish to discuss the issue with other Wikipedia users who are knowledgeable in the area, the WP:MCQ noticeboard may be the best location. --Jayron32 16:31, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Does this link help? commons:Commons:Photographs of identifiable people - Purplewowies (talk) 18:12, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but, apparently, nothing addresses using someone's likeness in a way that might violate someone's right to control it. This is not a copyright issue and I doubt the Foundation, when they see an email about this from me among the 10,000 or so emails the Foundation says they get daily, will want to address this offline, although I emailed them in case they do. So, I may draft text for a guideline or policy. If so, I'll probably draft it very restrictively and let other editors with more specific legal skill loosen it up later. Any ideas? Please post them. Nick Levinson (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Providing Sources

Good Afternoon,

I am trying to write an article about our company, Siebert Realty, that turns 50 this year. I have been with the company for 26 years, so I know alot about its history. I'm having trouble getting the article through because I don't have enough sources to backup what I've written. I have tweaked the article alot since I first posted it, trying to make it sound less like an advertisement... and more like a wiki page about the company.

I recently found a history book that a local writer put together about the Sandbridge area. We are briefly mentioned in, but not much. I plan to include that source as a footnote. Can you give me any other suggestions in how I can document my article. Is there a website that houses information that I can use (company registers, etc.) We're not a huge corporation, but we do have a big presence in our community.

Any help you can give me in getting my article published would be greatly appreciated.

Kathy Frierson <redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by FriersonK (talk • contribs) 14:49, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

The big problem is not sourcing but the tone of the draft. It reads like an advertisement for the company and that is not permitted.--ukexpat (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email this address. Mdann52 (talk) 15:59, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. I'm new to the Wiki world, so please bear with me. I will continue to edit the article and resubmit again. Thanks for all your help!  :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FriersonK (talk • contribs) 16:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:ORGFAQ may help as well. --ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I work for a government agency. The law was recently changed regarding the student services we provide. We need to edit the page.

I have been put in charge of editing our wikipedia page. Is there a way for government agencies which provide services (in this case student financial aid) to create an account to be able to edit pages immediately?

Who should we contact to verify our legitimacy and set this up? Everything in the FAQ seems to deal with private firms who may use the opportunity to advertise or shill. We provide financial aid, and have zero motivation for any of these things. Also, we would like our account name to reflect that edits are made by us, for credibilities sake. The ToS poo poos that. Is there an exception for government agencies?

Thanks.

At Wikipedia, the credibility of information is not established by who edits it. Indeed, Wikipedia has a strong policy against editing under a conflict of interest, which is why we discourage people from having "official" accounts, and why we also discourage people from editing articles where they have an interest in promoting the entity described in the article. Information at Wikipedia is based on information which is published elsewhere in reliable sources, for something as simple as the services your organization provides, just leave a link to the source of the information. That is, if you have a press release announcing the changes, or a listing on your organization's website listing your services, that should suffice for the changes to the Wikipedia article. If you leave the information on the talk page of the article in question, it can be checked out and fixed. Does that help answer your questions? --Jayron32 16:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

The prohibitions on promotion makes no distinction whether the subject promoted is commercial or not. Wikipedia is for digesting already published information, not for telling the world about anything, no matter how worthy.

On the subject of user names, accounts on Wikipedia are personal for reasons of attribution. They may not be shared, and may not have names that suggest that they represent or are connected with an organisation. See WP:USERNAME. --ColinFine (talk) 19:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Come on guys, you're treating this like they are here to manipulate the article. All they are trying to do is update facts. Ryan Vesey 20:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

We discourage agency accounts and we don't allow any accounts that can be accessed by multiple people. I suggest that you create a personal account and edit from that. On another note, you shouldn't even need an account if all you want to do is update some information in accordance with new legislation. Just make sure you provide a citation to a reliable source when you modify the information. You can learn more about citing sources at WP:Referencing for beginners. Ryan Vesey 20:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Article Title Incorrect

Hello,

The article for our company is incorrect and i would like to know how I can fix it. It is listed as "Dion's" when it should be "Dion's Pizza" Here is the URL for the article: Dion's (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Thank you, Ryan

Ryguy8112 (talk) 16:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

If you can provide sources that prove that this is how the chain is generally known and referred to, then someone will move the page. Note that the official name of the company is not what is important here, but how it's known. BTW, the website appears to be unavailable ATM. The only other on-line source quoted in the article, the coloradosprings.com article, calls it just "Dion's". Rojomoke (talk) 16:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

It has been moved to Dion's Pizza, but I am not convinced that is correct, per WP:COMMONNAME. In any event, notability per WP:CORP seems to be a bigger problem.--ukexpat (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Must every article have a lead?

Per this diff no article in the style [YYYY] in Ireland has a lead section? Am I correct that a lead is a must and all of those articles should have one? Ryan Vesey 16:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you speak in the imperative. Wikipedia will not cease to exist if an article doesn't have a lead. However, as explained in several places in the MOS, it is expected that all articles have a lead section. If it disturbs you that an article doesn't have a lead section, you are allowed to make it better. --Jayron32 17:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Exceeding template limits - what should I look for?

List of Jews in sports doesn't display its list of references because the page exceeds the template limits. What should I look for in tracking this down? The page has had additions since it worked correctly, but it hasn't grown in size. From the history:

Revision 498871423 (18:45, 22 June 2012)
page size 201,127 bytes
Template argument size: 425928/2048000

Currently (14:47, 15 August 2012‎ ) 
page size 202,059 bytes
Template argument size: 2048000/2048000 bytes

Thanks. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

The problem was an edit that added the reference <ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.jewishbaseballnews.com/players/</ref> without the closing }}. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Noforum restrictions

is there any part of wikipedia where you can communicate openly without the wp:notaforum restrictions? Pass a Method talk 21:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Not really; Wikipedia is a reference work, not a chatroom or a Facebook/LiveJournal/MySpace/usenet substitute. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Problems with viewing the Computing Reference Desk with Firefox on Windows 7

Copied from the Miscellaneous Reference Desk:

This has been happening consistently for several days now. When I browse the Wikipedia Reference Desks at work, the Computing desk takes minutes to load, and then loads without any CSS information, just the plain HTML. Other desks, such as the Miscellaneous and Language desks, work OK. At home, the Computing desk also works fully OK. I use Microsoft Windows 7 at work (I have to, it's the company's development platform) but Fedora 14 Linux at home. I use Mozilla Firefox at both places. It can't be a bandwidth problem - the Internet connection at work is faster than my own connection at home. What could be causing this? JIP | Talk 21:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Next time try logging out from WP while browsing. That might make your connection faster. Pass a Method talk 22:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried to clear your entire cache in Firefox at work? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't even log in to Wikipedia at work, I browse it anonymously. I cleared the entire cache, but it didn't help. It's just the computing desk, and only at work. It gets stuck in connecting to http://bits.wikimedia.org, and then after minutes, loads the page without any CSS information. JIP | Talk 15:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Cannot Log In

Sorry if this is in the wrong place.

I cannot log in with my username. I can't even find my user page in an internet search. How can I log in again? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.133.12.13 (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Type your username into the following link: HERE Pass a Method talk 22:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Nothing. I guess my account was "upsurped"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.133.12.13 (talk) 22:50, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

What is the username? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:09, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm 100% certain is was agenteames. I created the Kathryn Erbe and Lara Fabian pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.133.12.13 (talk) 23:14, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

There has never been an account called User:agenteames. The two articles were created in 2004 [3][4] by a user who was not logged in. That was possible in 2004 but not today. User:Mseames has edited both articles. Is that you? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

It is I ! You're a gem, thank you!! I've been trying for hours to find my account and log back in. That makes me so mad I was not logged in when I created those pages!! I also created the Eros Ramazzotti page and other pages. Probably wasn't logged in then, either! Mseames (talk) 23:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Good you remembered the password. The two articles were created before your account was created 26 December 2004. Eros Ramazzotti was created by User:Polylerus. The "Articles created" link at the bottom of Special:Contributions/Mseames shows five articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Due to the time frame of creation, I guessed mmy old college password. LOL I definitely created the Kathryn Erbe page. I remember doing significant work on the Eros and Lara pages, I'm certain I created the Lara page. I was 70% certain I created the Eros page. :) I did a lot of work on Wikipedia in 2004 long before I ever registered. I've done a lot of work since registering but not logged in. I should go back and track my IP to re-track all my work. LOL It was about time I logged back in!! Thanks again!!! Mseames (talk) 01:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC)