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Will ever scientists find The Element Which Has No Mass But Has Resistence. What scientist will be able to answer this question?

A thought came yesterday to my mind. Is there any element in the universe or in the world which has no mass, but has resistense? And I would like to find out if it is really exist. The thought came during my travelling. I had heavy suitcase, and dreamed about a suitcase without any mass, but that could contain my clothes which I need during a trip. Who will be able to answer this question? May be one day sientists will discover this element? Who knows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.204.28.144 (talk) 00:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Depending on how you define mass and resistance, the answer may be no by definition. Inertial mass defines: "Inertial mass is the mass of an object measured by its resistance to acceleration." Have you tried the science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

By resistance you must mean mechanical strength. Your idea sounds like a force field around the clothes. This belongs currently in the domain of Science Fiction. However there are other ways to make your suitcase lighter. You can go on the Space Station, there gravity becomes so small they call it microgravity and your suitcase would actually float in such an environment. Dr.K. (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, really the force of gravity is nearly the same at the ISS (which I assume you mean by space station). That you are weightless in space is a common misperception. Truly you are just in an endless fall. Prodego ^talk 00:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

"you are just in an endless fall" is a possible definition of weightlessness. Mass and weight are often considered different terms and you are certainly not massless in a free fall. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

All comes down to reference frame really. Prodego ^talk 01:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

True. Dr.K. (talk) 01:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Also according to Newton's law of universal gravitation the force of attraction that the suitcase will experience from the Earth is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of the suitcase from the centre of the Earth. Therefore the weight of the suitcase will be extremely small in space as long as the suitcase is far enough from the earth. At multiple times the Earth radius where the gravitational field of the Earth becomes very small the weight of the suitcase will diminish. The space station is too close to the Earth to qualify for microgavity status based on the Newtonian Universal Gravitation Law. The microgravity effect on the space station is a function of the centrifugal force of the orbit cancelling the Earth's attraction but the efffect on the suitcase is nonetheless the same. Dr.K. (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(undent) I would guess that by the time time scientists could build a suitcase with negligible mass, Moore's law will have advanced so far that physical travel will be largely unnecessary (see: telepresence, videoconferencing, telecommuting, etc.). Therefore we won't need suitcases. --Teratornis (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

In the meantime, while some people still feel they have to travel due to the limitations of our primitive computers and networks, one way to approximate a massless suitcase would be to rent changes of clothing at the destination. Then you would only have to transmit money to pay for the clothing rental, and money being information is virtually massless from a practical standpoint. --Teratornis (talk) 07:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent points. However for those insisting on suitcase use we still have some more alternatives. Use of a lightweight plastic bag or the more advanced graviton inhibitors but the latter may be sometime in coming. Dr.K. (talk) 16:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Albert Einstein's great great great ect. grandson could figure it out.(Brian smith,age 9)

create a search link

I have often edited existing articles but i just created one for the first time: [1] how do i make this article appear in the search list in a normal wikipedia search on say "Flanders Fields", or "Leon Wolff", or "1917 Campaign"? i though wikipedia would have created a search link automatically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nishad Mohan (talk • contribs) 00:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia search takes some time (maybe a day or two) to index new articles. It happens automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Footnotes

How do I make my footnote sit above the regular text?Laurenschlager (talk) 01:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for recommended ways to make footnotes in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

SCTV QUESTION

I posted a question wijipedia a cfew fats ago but I don't know how to look up anyt answers given.

HELP!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.226.34 (talk) 02:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC) 

I think this is what you are looking for: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2007_November_10#SCTV-_COLLEGE_BOWL --Kudret abi^Talk 03:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

San Francisco county

raedwulf1604:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Raedwulf16 (talk)HI in doing research on statoids,i have noticed that information about almost all counties in the usa present info about "Adjacent Counties".Some fewRaedwulf16 (talk) 04:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC) are lacking this info.When i find a county article that does not have this information,I look up the material and edit the page to reflect the addition.All my changes have remained unaltered except for San Francisco County.I can not believe that SF would not wish this very useful info presented ...I did notice that the page had a note asking that new articles should be sent to one of Wickipedia's "daughter pages"..What is a "daughter " page and how do I access one?

Hello, thanks for the question. If you go to the article you mentioned, that is San_Francisco,_California, and click on the History tab on the top of the page, you will see a revision history. There you can see your revision and who changed the article after you. In this case looking at the revisions after you, it can be seen that the information you added was removed by User:Paul.h with the reason "Lists are discouraged in articles, see WP:EMBED also, information about counties belongs in List of counties in California not in each county article." So I advise you to read WP:EMBED to see why your info was removed, and after reading if you still have questions, you can ask again here, or at Wikipedia_talk:Embedded_list, or at Talk:San_Francisco,_California. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 06:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

login to en.wikipedia not valid for de.wikipedia?

Hi there, I tried to login with my en.wikipedia data to de.wikipedia; it was not possible. do I have to get another set of login/password? that would be quite inconvenient, since I also would like to visit fr.wikipedia ... greetings

gunter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgunter (talk • contribs) 05:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately. That is a feature that is being worked on—see m:SUL for the really long story behind this. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I shouldn’t think it would be a great problem: Just a one-time configuration--one minute per wiki. You can probably register for the same username on the other wikis and use the same password. If you click on the equivalent of “Remember my logon on this computer,” you should only have to login once on each project. I move seamlessly between Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Commons. --teb728 t c 05:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

redirect?

The article Learning by teaching is existing. But this method (very bright used in Germany) has an other name: LdL or LDL. How could I create the item LdL or LDL, redirecting on Learning by teaching?--Jeanpol (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To create a redirect, just create the article LdL with the content "#REDIRECT Learning by teaching" (without quotes). However, LDL already exists as a redirect to Low density lipoprotein, so in this case you would want to disambiguate - probably by editing Low density lipoprotein and adding a hatnote that says "LDL may also refer to Learning by teaching" or something similar. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 06:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

At the moment LDL already ridirects to Low density lipoprotein. You will need to add a hatnote as mentioned above or modify the redirect page here [2] into a disambiguation WP:DAB also include the page you want. But please read WP:REDIR and WP:DAB before doing so. Thank you. --Kudret abi^Talk 06:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

But is LdL used in English for this method? If so, what does it stand for? --Orange Mike | Talk 06:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Thank you for your answer. LdL ist the German shortcut for "Lernen durch Lehren" (= Learning by teaching). But by now LdL seams to be used in English too, because of the fact that this method is broad implemented in Germany and expanding in other countries. So I yesterday get a mail in English from a university in Philipines asking for materials about LdL. That's the reason why I'm looking for the item LdL in the English wikipedia.

A quick google search suggests that LDL usually means Low density lipoprotein. I'd suggest adding {{redirect|LDL}} to the top of Low density lipoprotein. That will create a note saying something like "LDL redirects here. For other meanings, see LDL (disambiguation)." I'd do it myself, except someone needs to create the disambig page. Regards, Ben Aveling 10:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--Jeanpol (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunaltely I was not very successful creating a page "Disambiguation". Sorry for having disturbed!--Jeanpol (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

@Ben Aveling: now I have managed it. Thanks a lot!--Jeanpol (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

About times of India

about times of india —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.14.24 (talk) 07:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Indian Standard Time or History of India is what you want. If not then please be more specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe The Times of India? -- Kateshortforbob 14:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Use of Sports Categories for Professional wrestling

Why do we use sports categories for professional wrestling articles? It's a physical performance art isn't it? There is no competition and the outcomes are predetermined - so it seems odd to use "sport". --Fredrick day (talk) 10:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• You could ask why it's called wrestling then... Wrestling is supposed to be a sport... - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 10:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:OR v WP:COI

Well, normally I answer stuff here but I'm stumped! I'm a very close relative of someone who has an entry on Wikipedia. (no point looking in my contrib history as I've specifically never edited the article due to COI). However to expand the article a photo of the person would be valuable. WP:OR says that photos are generally exempt, so no problem of course. However as a relative WP:COI says I shouldn't go near the article. I could of course avoid the whole thing by creating a sock to upload the picture, but that's not really the spirit of WP:SOCK IMHO....or maybe it is. Thoughts anyone ? Pedro :  Chat  10:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• WP:COI was made to prevent people from starting unsuitable articles or add overly promotional or super-positive info into it. If you stick to the proper uploading procedure and provide source and copyright information, you shouldn't be in any trouble. As long as they understand the copyright issues attached to uploading pictures here, the subjects of articles are actually welcome to do it themselves. Improving articles by adding a single picture has nothing to do with COI. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(E/C) As you've already stated original research isn't a problem. COI isn't a problem either. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. We don't enforce or encourage technocratic, slavish adherence to rules as if they are hidebound laws. Rather we treat them flexibly as rules of thumb that guide us to do what's best for the encyclopedia, which is why WP:IAR is one of our five core policies. WP:COI is a guideline which seeks to discourage edits which generally lead to problems with verifiability and neutral point of view. Your proposed action invokes no problem with either. Run, get your camera, and don't give it a second thought.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks both. Sound advice. Pedro :  Chat  12:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I edit the "Title" of a page I have created

Hi,

The title is in small letters & I want to Capitalise (Block Letters) some key words therein.

The "edit this page" feature doesn't have an option to edit the "Title".

Can you please help me?

Regards,

Aman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman Zaidi (talk • contribs) 12:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Once your account is 4 days old, you can use the move button to move and effectively rename a page. If you share the title with us and tell how you want it changed, someone can do this one for you before the 4 days are up. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 12:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I moved the article for you. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank You! That was very nice of you! Will have to explore what the "Move" button is about later! :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman Zaidi (talk • contribs) 10:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Claiming an IP address

Sometimes I forget to log in when I am contributing to an article. This way, a list of contributions in kept both under my username and my IP address. It mostly concerns alterations to the same pages, only spread accross the two accounts. Is there a way to "claim" the contributions I made without logging in? In other words, I would like to merge user 82.93.60.5 [3] into my nickelvd account. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickelvd (talk • contribs) 13:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit which says: "Edits are no longer reattributed, so this page is no longer active". You can mention the situation with links or redirects on the user pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Are you absolutely sure you don't have a shared IP address? - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 14:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess so. The changes I made using the IP are all done by me. The IP refers to one computer, which is used by nobody else but me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickelvd (talk • contribs) 09:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there any way to find out what country account was originated from?

Hello. There is one account, which could be SPA account. I wonder, if we could find out the country of origin. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• For some IPs it might be possible, but knowing the country is not enough evidence to base anything on. The easiest mode of action is to request blocking if the SPA is disruptive, but make sure they have been warned. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 14:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• A few editors with checkuser privilige can see the IP address used by an account, and that often reveals the country. But Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser has demands before applying checkuser. See also meta:CheckUser policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Not likely. Wikimedia's privacy policy, and the MediaWiki software, prevent the sharing of personal information from registered users. If the account is proving to be abusive and you suspect sockpuppetry, then you may file a request for checkuser and they will determine if sockpuppets are evident. Be aware, however, that Checkuser is not for phishing, and is only done in severe cases of account abuse. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you all for the responses. Maybe I should have explained the situation better. I've nominated the image to get an FP status (the image was not taken by me). There were few "support" and few "oppose" votes One "support" vote was placed from the account, which was used only to support this nomonation. So now I kind of feel a shadow of suspicion over this support vote and I hoped that, if we could find out the country the vote was casted from, it could clear the things up. After reading your responces I'm not sure, if there's enough reasons to request for checkuser. What do you think? Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• It sounds insufficient for checkuser. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• I wouldn't worry too muich about it. A single vote isn't going to affect things much. I would be more worried if more votes come from recently created accounts. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

creating bio stubs

How does one create a bio stub? I cannot see anywhere proper instructions to this effect¬¬¬¬ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrwboyd (talk • contribs) 14:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Stub. Add {{bio-stub}} or a more specific stub template. I have reverted this edit which was in the wrong place. A biography of Peter Boyd can be created at Peter Boyd.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Radio Show Manual of Style

Hello, I'm trying to clean up a radio show's wikipedia article. While the show appears notable (it's nationally syndicated) a lot of the information on this page and associated pages are not notable. I request AFDs for their producer and side-kick pages and tried cleaning up the disc jockey pages (they had pictures of dogs on their pages), but the main article is a cluster of useless or unsourced info. Like notable skits and friends of the show (with links to their MySpace pages) do not belong on here. But before I start chopping away, I want to know if their is a guide I can follow or refer to when I make note of my editing? Also anyone out there who can help with the cleaning - it would be much appreciated :-) --Endless Dan 14:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• I'd try to find a featured article to use as a template to build on. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• Talk:The Bob & Tom Show says it's supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • That doesn't mean much other then it's a radio related article. Fartman is supported by WP:RADIO. --Endless Dan 15:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
    • It for example means you could discuss it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio. And Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio#Articles links some good articles about radio shows, but I don't know whether they are helpful. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikifying

Is it possible to have 'too many' wiki links in an article? I spent a lot of time wikifying an article only to see someone had undone all my changes and said 'what an overload of uneeded wiki links'. As I am new I thought this was very rude - now i'm unsure what links should actually be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katsp8 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree many of the removed links in [4] were unneeded. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

We even have a specific guideline about over-linking. -Arch dude (talk) 02:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Tupac

Please,Please,Please I'm tryin to find out a reference tupac made in a few songs and one particlular interview with Shock G where he brought up a CAPITAL F for fairly, touching subject to him, & probably whoever friggin watched it.... bout 1 of his fallen comrades going by the name of (which is where the question lies) Kato??? K-Dogg??? K-Dough(sound it out) Please let me know.... Adouring fan No.1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.179.56 (talk) 15:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

J-Dawg and B-Rizzle is unreferenced but claims they were killed in 1994 (before Tupac Shakur). Could it be J-Dawg? Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Can I see how many people have visited my webpage?

Is there a counter or any tool that tells me how many hits I've had on my wiki? If so, where can I find this? How would I enable such a tool? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.151.57 (talk) 15:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If you have installed your own wiki with MediaWiki software then see mw:Manual:$wgDisableCounters. Counters are disabled in Wikipedia for performance reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Some people refer to articles they create as "their wikis". Don't make the same mistake. PrimeHunter provided a great link. A wiki is a site like Wikipedia using the collaborative software we use. You most likely referred to a page rather than a wiki. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If you really do mean your own Web page on a site you administer, you might be interested in Google Analytics. --Teratornis (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

I am trying to find mr. Dan Saleaumua but having a proble I can't see any contact on your site to send an e-mail to him. Please would you foward my e-mail address to him if you a way of contacting him. I would appreciate it very much,,,,,,,,thank you so much.. my e-mail:<email removed>.

Thnx..

fm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.218.219 (talk) 16:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To e-mail a registered Wikipedia editor through Wikipedia, you must first create an account with an e-mail address. You can then go to the user's user page and click on the E-mail this user link in the sidebar. If this person is not a Wikipedia editor, this is not the place to try to contact them. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia. We have a huge number of biographies including Dan Saleaumua but we are not in contact with the subjects and we don't look for or publish their e-mail addressess. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How can you tell if the photos on wikipedia are free

Hi. I'm new to wikipedia. As it says it is a free encyclopedia I thought maybe all the photos on it were free to use. Can you tell me when I can and cannot use a photo. I am wanting photos of birds, nests and eggs. Anything to do with English garden birds and birds of prey. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.79.111 (talk) 17:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Click on an image to see its license. Only some images are free to use for any purpose. See more at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You also may want to search in the Wikimedia Commons, as all media there is in the public domain or under a free license. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Please look at CIA

Can anyone help me find the coding error in that article? I spend over 5 minutes trying in vain to find what made the reference section look so terrible. The error survives over 3 days (the last correct revision was by 65.96.117.167). Now I surrender. Help! @pple complain 17:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. --Silver Edge (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

What can I do?

What kind of things can i put on my user page. the places that ive looked havent been very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rholloway71 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia:User page? --Silver Edge (talk) 17:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(e/c) You can put userboxes on your page (check out the "gallery" section at the bottom). I also found Transhumanist's guide very useful when creating my userpage. --Kateshortforbob 17:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If Wikipedia:User page is more restrictive than you prefer, you can put autobiographical content which is unsuitable for a Wikipedia user page on WikiBios. --Teratornis (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Also see WP:EIW#User_p for (probably) everything there is to know about user pages. But also see WP:NOT#MYSPACE. --Teratornis (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Defining new CSS classes or IDs?

Is there any way to create a new CSS class or ID in a single page, but have it apply to all viewers? The only thing I can find is to modify my own monobook.js, which would apply only to me, or a site-wide change to MediaWiki:Common.css which is obviously not an option. I tried using <style></style> tags but MediaWiki seems to escape them out. I can't just use inline CSS style="" attribs because common classes are overriding it. —dgies^t_c 18:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is MediaWiki:Common.css not an option? MediaWiki talk:Common.css has an {{explanation}} template at the top which tells how to request changes to MediaWiki:Common.css. If your request is good, it might happen. That's the only way I know to do what you are trying to do, but then again I am not an expert on CSS with Wikipedia. Someone else may know a trickier way. --Teratornis (talk) 23:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How Do I Solve This Problem?

I noticed that your page on the Pokemon Trading Card Game (Video Game) is inaccurate. It details the legendary Moltres card’s power as randomly giving you between one and four fire energy cards. I, being an owner of this game, know this to be false. The only problem is that I don’t know how many are possible. I once received twelve fire energy cards using this card, and I am sure it is possible to get more. How can I tell the creator of that article that there info is inaccurate? 209.181.124.12 (talk) 18:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You can either go to Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game) and click "edit" and make any changes yourself. Or if you're unsure what the texy should say, go to Talk:Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game) and ask what the article's other contributers think should be done. —dgies^t_c 18:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You need to find an article detailing this information; then make the change to the article yourself, providing the source from which you got the information. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game)#Exclusive cards says "randomly places from one to four Fire Energy cards". You could comment on Talk:Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game), or remove the unsourced alleged number by clicking "edit" at the section, or add {{fact}} to the claim if you have doubts. Most articles have many contributors. Only add a replacement claim if you have a reliable source. A random experience from playing the game is not good enough. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Note that I'd cite it as a source, but I cannot find anything other than 1-4 Fire Energy cards (see [5]). x42bn6 Talk Mess 22:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Chronic low grade vandalism

What's appropriate course of action for this vandal? [6] --Seans Potato Business 18:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The IP may have many users at a high school. Some edits are constructive and the vandalism is low level. I would say: continue to revert and warn but don't report at WP:AIV (probably no action would be taken for this level). PrimeHunter (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually this repeat vandal got 6 months. --teb728 t c 19:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that's tough. I saw 2 small vandalism edits in the last week, some constructive edits earlier, and I didn't check the block log. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Quoting directly from a source

I want to make sure I'm doing this properly. I found a great quote in a magazine article and I know quoting is discouraged, but I think most people would agree this one is a classic.

TV commercials for WTJM "feature former New York mayor Ed Koch, not exactly someone you expect to emerge from the P-Funk mother ship."[[User:Vchimpanzee|<b><font color="Green">'''Vchimpanzee"'</font></b>]] (talk) 19:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to quote a piece of text, make sure to add <blockquote> at the beginning of the text and </blockquote> at the end. If you want to see how to quote in a citation, see here. — Rudget _{contributions} 19:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I messed up my signature, too

Look at my signature. I seem to have messed it up while copying what I believed to be the code for making it green. [[User:Vchimpanzee|<b><font color="Green">'''Vchimpanzee"'</font></b>]] (talk) 19:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Simple, put the html code outside of the square brackets. <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 19:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's see if it worked.[[User:Vchimpanzee]]|<b><font color="Green">'''Vchimpanzee"'</font></b> (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC) Oh, forget it.Vchimpanzee (talk) 19:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the problem is that your preferences are reading that as your nickname. Change the code back to the way it was (The second version won't work) and check the "Raw Signature" box just below where you stick the code. That should tell the software to read the code as code and not as text, and display it properly. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.User:Vchimpanzee|Vchimpanzee"' 19:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

As Count Basie once said, one more time.Vchimpanzee"' 19:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

As fans of "April in Paris" know, he said it twice. Vchimpanzee 19:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You might like to include something like this as well, so there is a talk link:

([[User talk:Vchimpanzee|talk]])

<Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 19:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a template to produce a "slide show" style image gallery?

I've read around the image help and picture tutorial but can't seem to find the answer to this. I'm aware of the <gallery> tag and the {{gallery}} template, but I'm looking for something that lets the reader flip through a series of pictures. For an example, see the French language wikipedia article fr:Pétra. That uses a template named ? {{Images}} (see sections Géologie and Principaux monuments, for example), but this doesn't seem to exist in the English wikipedia. For starters, I'd like to display some representative pictures in the article on David Roberts (painter), without overwhelming the text.

Is there a similar template here? Is there a way to use the French template? Is there a reason why we shouldn't use this type of template? (I can see that it might not translate well to a print version, but that would seem to be a decision for a later time.) To me it seems to be a much less intrusive presentation in certain circumstances than the full gallery presentation. Rupert Clayton (talk) 19:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Please rectify the rendering of your paste titles. I'll be able to help then. — Rudget _{contributions} 19:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Text got messed up by software change, I think. Fixed now. Rupert Clayton (talk) 20:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Gibney Beach editing

Resolved

On the Gibney Beach wikipedia article. The article is correct on the editing page; however when looking at the website it is incorrect. Several subheadings and paragraphs are deleted. Why is this? Thank you. Mdst101 (talk) 19:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems you've edited the page the most recently. Did you preview the page and not save it? — Rudget _{contributions} 19:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

There was a reference problem but Mdst101 has now fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Accidents

I cannot make the squad box which I am trying to make (Czechoslovakia 1960 European Cup) work. It keeps displaying {{{pos1}}} etc. It is a no numbers box. Help?! WilliamF1 (talk) 20:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. There were some vertical bars that needed to be changed to equals signs. Here's a link to what I did. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

New Pages!

How do I find the latest pages on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamecube1 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The list of the most recent pages on Wikipedia can be found at Special:Newpages. However, be warned that a large portion of these pages are unencyclopedic, nonsensical, or of very low quality, and many are quickly deleted. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Lost Archive

There seems to have been a move made from the article Cantonese (linguistics) to Cantonese (language). We need an administrator's help to first undo this move. Also the discussion archive was lost? I really don't know how a page could be moved without its archive, but apparently it did. You can see the red link on the talk page and it is missing. Can we get some administrator assistance? Thanks. Benjwong (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I moved the archive. Why do you want to undo the move? It seems to me that Cantonese (language) is a more appropriate name for the page. --teb728 t c 21:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TEB728 but if you want to request this move, you can follow the procedures at requested moves, which involve opening a discussion on the article's talk page regarding the move. It's a good idea to to cite to a section of our naming conventions guideline which supports your reasoning for the proposed name change.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for finding the archive. Yes we will keep it there for now. The reason for keeping it at (linguistics) is because a number of other dialects are also listed at (linguistics). Thanks for the help and advice. Benjwong (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

reference

How do you site wikipedia in a research paper using APA style if there is no listed author? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.64.65 (talk) 21:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why are you citing Wikipedia? We're not a primary source. Cite the references to the information you found here. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 21:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wooty,

Wikipedia can be a primary source if you are writing about Wikipedia. Sociologists, Anthropologists, Psychologists, Cultural Historians, Educators, etc. might all use the Wikipedia as an object of study, looking at the interactions of people on the Wiki, recurrent biases in articles, the patterns of creation and deletion of articles, democratic or anarchistic models of mass contribution, or even just analysing curt and dismissive responses to valid questions such as the one you offered this person before knowing the nature of his or her interest. Shalom, on the otherhand, offered the information without bias. Just my observation. Saudade7 02:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Mind AGF and don't hide your personal attacks behind prose to try to be sneaky. We get this question often, and most of the time it's someone who doesn't know better than to cite an encyclopedia and end up with a failing grade (lethal on most "research papers"). It is highly unlikely that the questioner is discussing Wikipedia itself, and even that would be unlikely to require a citation (also consider people in those fields would likely have a copy of the APA handbook on hand). Regardless, there is really no way to cite Wikipedia 100% correctly via APA as it requires an author for encyclopedia citations ("References for encyclopedias must include the following elements: author(s) or editor(s), date of publication, title, place of publication, and the name of the publisher.") The best thing you can do is the below, use a different format, or (like I stated) use the reference itself. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 03:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What's AGF? Sorry you thought it was an attack, or that it was prose. I meant neither. I thought I was pretty open and straight-forward in calling it as I saw it. I thought you were too curt to the person asking the question. You might also be surprised about what undergraduate students want to write their papers on these days. And in this online age, when people adapt articles for a variety of classes, even journals, they often go online to look up specific styles, e.g. APA. Not everyone can afford something like Endnote. That said, if it really is, as you say, a question you get all the time, you might craft a nicer response to keep at hand to cut and paste, rather than letting your annoyance get the better of you. Saudade7 23:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to any article, then click on "cite this article" at the bottom of the left sidebar, below the search box. For example, go to History of Chicago, click "Cite this article", and you will see the following for APA citation style

History of Chicago. (2007, November 16). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 21:35, November 29, 2007, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Chicago&oldid=171847054

I hope this helps. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 21:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Page wallpaper

ok, how do I make my page wallpaper and how do i get a picture? from,NarutoGirl0990 (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User page is a good place to start regarding your user page. I am not sure if it is possible to add a wallpaper to a user page though... --Kudret abi^Talk 23:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See WP:EIW#User_p for (probably) everything there is to know about user pages. But also see WP:NOT#MYSPACE. --Teratornis (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Asthma vandalism

Asthma should be locked. Repeated vandalism has resulted in the strange breakage of references. --Seans Potato Business 23:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, protection requests should be made at WP:RFPP. Thank you... --Kudret abi^Talk 23:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem was caused by a software error earlier today and not vandalism. I will fix the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I also reverted the article to the last version where the references seem to work, I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 23:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you beat me to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, for once :) You always beat me in answering questions here though :) --Kudret abi^Talk 23:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Changing my First Paragraph

I made a new page and I want to edit the "first paragraph" material with is above my fist sub-heading section. There is no "edit" option for that "first paragraph" section which appears before the navigation aid. How do I edit the "first paragraph" material?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnie711 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You can just click on the "edit this page" tab on the top of the page. --Kudret abi^Talk 23:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See also: WP:SECT#Editing before the first section. --Teratornis (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I should add that the text above the first section heading has a name: the lead section. And as with everything else on Wikipedia, we have guidelines for it (see: WP:LEAD). --Teratornis (talk) 01:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)