Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of members of the Commonwealth of Nations

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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 18:10, 29 June 2008 [1].

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List of members of the Commonwealth of Nations

This is a list that I started work on a few months ago, then completely forgot about. It is the merged (and improved) result of three former FLs. All concerns are welcome and will be addressed by me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Support Looks great. Drewcifer (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Resolved stuff from Drewcifer

Comments Looks good, but I have a few complaints:

• Similar columns between tables should ideally be kept consistent widths.
  • Done.
    • Better, but for some reason they still seem a little off. I checked the code, and it looks like you're using the screen percent mode (instead of defining pixels), which in my experience isn't as consistent (and therefore not at all). Drewcifer (talk) 07:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
      • They Joined columns are still a little off. I think the problem is that 35px isn't pig enough to fit the word "Joined". 35 is just bigger then a four-digit year. So that makes the Suspended states table inconsistent with the others, because it doesn't have the sortable thingie. Try 65px. Drewcifer (talk) 19:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
• Along the same lines, similar columns should be labeled consistently between tables.
• Oceania isn't a continent is it? It's part of Australia.
  • Oceania is the term usually used to describe Australia, New Zealand, New Guinea, Indonesia, the Phillipines and most of the other islands in the Pacific. If you know a better term to use, then please let me know.
• "Had gained independence" should probably just be Gained independence", if only to match the grammar of the other notes.
  • Done.
• The population columns should be right-aligned.
  • Done.
• The single citation in the Comments table for Irish Free State looks a bit lonely. Isn't there something to comment about?
  • Done.
• I don't think "Comments" is the best column name. Howabout "Notes"?
  • I had done that for the other two, but forgot to do it for the third.
• Image:Commonwealth members by joining date.svg seems like an odd thing to have in a see also section. Can't that be included in the article somehow? (It might have a nice home below the current image, and to the right of the blank space left by the TOC)
  • Done.
    • I know this is uber-picky, and feel free to completely ignore me, but it would be nice if both images looked the same (ie with or without the transparent border, the globe-border thingie, etc). Might be more work then it's worth though.
• I don't think the "All table information based on figures provided by the Commonwealth of Nations Secretariat members list" is necessary, since it's in the references section anyways, and violates WP:EL. Drewcifer (talk) 06:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I decided that it would be best to retierate the specific source for all chart data, since some of it, especially population figures, varies from source to source. Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 06:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I understand that point, but I just think it's a bit odd the way it is now. Maybe it would help if you found some way to clarify that it's a legend. Namely, whatabout indenting it and italicizing it? And I think it should have a period at the end too. Drewcifer (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Done, and I've fiddled around with the column width again. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
• I think citation #19#22 would be better placed in the Notes column rather than the Joined column.
• The Joined column of the "Former members" table should be center-aligned like the others.

• Comment "left in 1987; rejoined in 1997; suspended in 2000; readmitted in 2001; resuspended in 2006.[18]" – Use a capital "L" for "Left" since the other Notes begin with capital letters; same with "suspended in 2002; left in 2003.[7][20]". These are sentence fragments, so perhaps even remove the periods altogether from all of the Notes. Gary King (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Done. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Please tell us how old the population figures are. Baldrick90 (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Done. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

• Sorry to say but boring intro line, a verbatim copy of the list title. Can you be more imaginative?
  • Nope, I'm a boring person, so I removed the line.
• No need for two maps in my opinion. And the second is lacking a key so I can't tell what colours mean what joining date...
  • Done.
• British English would seem most appropriate for this so "organization" ought to be organisation.
  • Done.
• "independance " should be "independence".
  • Done.
• "the modern commonwealth " for consistency, ought not Commonwealth be capitalised here?
  • Done.
• "...which comprise of over 1.9 billion people..." hmm, lots of debate over the validity of "comprise of" - check out the internet here and here - a reword would avoid any potential conflict.
  • Done.
• The lead describes "Oceania" and "Australasia" as separate entities but then the table uses Oceania (and I've seen the comments above about a generic title) - this is still uncomfortable for me.
  • Fixed.
• Maybe worth discussing why Fiji is suspended.
  • Done.
• Don't use the in-line link "Nations Secretariat members list" - just create another reference.
  • Done.
• "didn't " - naughty, avoid contractions.
  • Done.
• " most population figures are based on 2007" which ones aren't and what are they based on?
  • I have added notes for the three nations that were not based on 2007 figures.
• Can you explain the significance of "Special Member"?
  • Yes, and done.
• Can you force the col widths of the first two tables to be the same?
  • I've tried but had no luck. The column widths are both exactly alike, but for some reason the country column of the second table is off. I've tried many different things but have had no success.
• "Merged " vs "suspended" - consistent note capitalisation required.

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Can we delete that lead sentence? Its completely redundant to the title of the article. (There was that discussion initiated by Tony1 a while back) Looks good otherwise indopug (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It has been removed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Support: This list looks ok, but please link Commonwealth Secretary-General at the end of lead paragraph 1.--Dem393 (talk) 20:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Support But I like pictures, so I'd like to see one of the Queen or Kamalesh Sharma, the current Commonwealth Sec-Gen. :) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Can you fix the sort order for population? Colin°^Talk 21:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, I can. I'll do that right now. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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