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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 17 August 2020 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Hennepin County Library branches[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of Hennepin County Library branches/archive1

Nominator(s): —Collin^{t c} 21:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paul2520 and I have been working on this list of library branches in Minnesota's largest library system for a few years. We both, but especially Paul, have journeyed all around the county to collect images of all 41 branches and have attempted to develop the most complete list in existence of the openings of the extant Hennepin County libraries. We are excited to work with any further comments and suggestions towards making this article a featured list, and appreciate all feedback. If promoted, we believe this would be the first List of library branches article to make FL status and hopefully serve as a useful template for future efforts to improve coverage of libraries worldwide. Thanks kindly! —Collin^{t c} 21:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Reywas92

This is a very nice list, but it should be merged to Hennepin County Library. That is quite a short article and the lead content is duplicative, so a split is not at all warranted. I'm not sure this passes WP:LISTN since there don't appear to be sources that cover the topic of branches rather than the library generally. NYC is the only other list of branches but that's a different animal.
"the borders of" is extraneous
"across 24 cities and towns" -> "in..."
"located" is extraneous, readers know "in" is a locator adverb here
"Four of the branches" -> "Four branches"
Bloomington is missing wikilink
Only the second Minneapolis in the table is linked; link all or only the first
Notes column shouldn't be sortable
Southdale: "between" requires an "and"
North Regional's note is rather random: of course a public building would take a few years to go from proposal to construction completion
Rewrite "In late 1800s, opened in Fletcher–Loring Flour Mill"
and "Original 1889 was"

Reywas92^Talk 07:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Reywas92! Helpful feedback. I've addressed most of your comments.

~~I'm still mulling over the North Regional note (I agree, it should be updated).~~ Updated the note, per Benidt reference.

Re: the merge, nice idea! I will discuss with Bobamnertiopsis. = paul2520 (talk) 17:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reywas92, thanks again for your review back in February. We recently worked through some additional feedback from The Rambling Man (see below). All your comments have now been addressed. While the Hennepin County Library article is still short, we've added additional context and references in the new List of Hennepin County Library branches § History section. Bobamnertiopsis and I found quite a few references via Newspapers.com mentioning the branches & branch expansion.

I just wanted to follow-up to get any additional feedback. = paul2520 (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks very nice. Reywas92^Talk 18:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support, Reywas92. I'm trying to parse the next steps. Should your comments be rolled-up in a "Resolved comments" template like The Rambling Man's below? = paul2520 (talk) 16:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I would also suggest a merger, as the main article has very little additional content (other than the lead it essentially consists of a less-detailed list of locations). The merged article would still really be a list, though, so I don't see why the FLC couldn't continue...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:45, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dank

Yes, agreed that this is an attractive and useful list, and that the main article is so slight that it would be better to merge it with this, and that the merged article would be appropriate for WP:FLC. - Dank (push to talk) 21:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Query - there seems to be a consensus among all the editors who have commented so far that this article and the main one on the library should be merged, but in six weeks nothing's been done about this. Are there any plans to merge.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ChrisTheDude. Bobamnertiopsis and I have reason to believe the list is relevant still (see discussion here). I have some thoughts that I was about to write on Bobamnertiopsis' talk page, that I'll put here.

How about we rename Hennepin County Library#Libraries to Hennepin County Library#Branches and move the middle paragraphs from List of Hennepin County Library branches to that page? We'd still have the complete, cited list with photographs and details, and the library page would then have more context to the branch system.

Sorry for the delay! Courtesy pings to Reywas92 and Dank. = paul2520 (talk) 15:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM[edit]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(WikiCup entry)

Five paras for the lead is too much really, per MOS:LEAD.
"41 library branches. " this bold is unnecessary. It doesn't match the title of the article and it's not a redirect title either, so just use plain text.
"Hennepin County Library" is used four times in the first two sentences. Repetitive.
Minneapolis is overlinked in the lead.
"2003-04, and 2018-19." should be en-dashes, and be consistent with consecutive year ranges, either repeat the whole year or just use the last two digits.
Link National Register of Historic Places.
Sortable tables should link linkable items each time as post-sorting it won't be certain that the linked item is first.
"2020-2022." en-dash.
"1,500-1,600 " en-dash.
Page ranges should use pp. (see ref 44, 72 etc).
Use consistent and up-to-date ISBN numbers.

That's all I have for now. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks The Rambling Man! Still working on the lede. Can you point us to somewhere with more info on linking linkable items in tables? I'm not sure what you mean by this. Everything is addressed I think. —Collin^{t c} 18:59, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All I'm saying is that if you link something in a sortable table, don't just link the first occurrence, because despite overlink concerns, if the table is re-ordered, there's no guarantee that the linked item will still be the first one. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Thanks! —Collin^{t c} 16:12, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bobamnertiopsis, thanks for fixing these in this edit. The Rambling Man, thanks for the review. I think everything is fixed now. Have you any further suggestions? = paul2520 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paul2520, I fixed the template sorting linking but still need to do some work to consolidate and expand lede paragraphs. —Collin^{t c} 19:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bobamnertiopsis, oops, I glossed over that when comparing the list to your edit. Can I help at all? = paul2520 (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've just been digging through Newspapers.com to see what I could find about the history of the HCL's branch expansion(s). I think the periods from the 1920s through the 1960s and the 1970s through 1990s both need a little work still so if you want to do any hunting there, that would be useful! —Collin^{t c} 19:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bobamnertiopsis, I broke the lead up (addressing The Rambling Man's first point) into a separate history section. I found Newspapers.com references for 1934 and 1955... after digging for a while, I think many newspaper mentions are events, hours, etc. Some interesting updates around debate about Saturday hours, and a couple mentions when films were first allowed to be checked-out.

I also found [2] (mentions bookmobiles and county/state libraries) and [3] (talks about declining use of bookmobiles in the cities). Neither of which are currently cited, but I felt on the fence about how useful they would be.

What do you think? Do you want to search for something from the 70s-90s? Or is it enough that a number of dates in the table are in that date range? = paul2520 (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Bobamnertiopsis, I just wanted to check in. I have time this week; what else do we need to do? = paul2520 (talk) 12:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again so much for your review, The Rambling Man! Bobamnertiopsis fixed most of the suggestions, and I broke the lead into "proper lead" and a new History section (with additional context about the history of the branches). Do you have any other thoughts/comments? = paul2520 (talk) 14:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support my comments addressed, looking good. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments from ChrisTheDude

Apologies I completely forgot about this one. My comments now:

Four sentences for the lead is far too short. You could probably simply merge the History section into the lead and just trim it a bit.
Notes which are not complete sentences (eg "Renovated in 1988 and 2013.") should not have full stops.
Think that's it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:03, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, ChrisTheDude. How did I do? [4]

I didn't trim too much from the merged lead... any specific suggestions, if you think it should be condensed further? = paul2520 💬 14:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me - now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paul2520 I've added my support which (naturally) is contingent on a suitable source/image review. I think you have sufficient support on the content/layout/etc so just those reviews to go before this can be considered for promotion. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass
Doing now Aza24 (talk) 22:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cmts:

The Bibliography looks good, I tweaked it around for consistency a little bit.
Wow I really have nothing, consistent use of "cite news" and "cite web", consistent links to publishers and works, all reliable sources. Easy pass - Aza24 (talk) 22:27, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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